Hi all,
I just managed to get hold of a Data General Eclipse MV9000. I think it
has
been upgraded since the processor card says MV9300. I has over a hundred
serial ports, three hard drives (ZetaCo), 9 track tape drive, five D211
terminals
and three printers.
I'm looking for documentation and software of any kind for this machine
but I
have not found anything substantial searching the net yet.
Any ideas?
This machine was apparently the target of a search by the local HAM
radio
clubs for the source of a 125Mhz signal that was triggering the
emergency
signal receivers in Russian satellites. I'm trying to get more info on
this little
bit of history this week.
The machine looks at home next to the PDP8/i. I'm running 240Vac to the
machine this week so I'll get to see if it works.
Any DG AOS/VS people out there?
Mike
--- Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> wrote:
> > According to what their PR department says, the first White Castle was in
> > Wichita, KS. The first ones I saw were in Columbus OH.
>
> I also thought they started in Columbus...
I'm from Columbus. People here also think they started here. We do have a
regional headquarters, and they are an ubiquitious establishment, especially
when you are looking in the wee hours.
Now, Wendy's _did_ start in Columbus (across from COSI, on East Broad St.; the
number one restaurant is still there and still open) and so did Rax's Roast
Beef.
I'm told that we have the highest number of fast-food outlets per capita in
the U.S. Having two chains start here certainly puts us ahead of that curve.
-ethan
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Jarkko Teppo <jate(a)uwasa.fi> wrote:
> In my ongoing search for all things HP 9000 Series 500 I accidentally
> stumbled into HP Journal. HP has a database on the web with just
> the article names:
>
> http://www.hp.com/hpj/journal.html
How...sad. A couple or three years ago, HP stopped printing the
Journal on paper and went to web-only publication. Then they offered
a reprint service for old issues/articles. Now it seems that they've
stopped that entirely, removed the web-only articles, and outsourced
the reprint service.
> But there seems to be a bug of sorts (I think I ought to report
> it to HP). Try searching for HP 9000 Series 500, and you'll get one
> article:
You want to look at two issues: August 1983 and March 1984.
August 1983:
(0) front cover: photo of FOCUS memory, IOP, and CPU boards with
protective covers removed. p. 1.
(1) VLSI Technology Packs 32-Bit Computer System into a Small Package,
by Joseph W. Beyers, Eugene R. Zeller, and S. Dana Seccombe.
pp. 3-6.
(2) An 18-MHz, 32-Bit VLSI Microprocessor, by Kevin P. Burkhart, Mark
A. Forsyth, Mark E. Hammer, and Darius F. Tanksalvala. pp. 7-8,
10-11.
(3) Instruction Set for a Single-Chip 32-Bit Processor, by James
G. Fiasconaro. pp. 9-10.
(4) VLSI I/O Processor for a 32-Bit Computer System, by Fred J. Gross,
William S. Jaffe, and Donald R. Weiss. pp. 11-14.
(5) High-Performance VLSI Memory System, by Clifford G. Lob, Mark J.
Reed, Joseph P. Fucetola, and Mark A. Ludwig. pp. 14-20.
(6) 18-MHz Clock Distribution System, by Clifford G. Lob and Alexander
O. Elkins. p. 17.
(7) 128K-Bit NMOS Dynamic RAM with Redundancy, by John K. Wheeler,
John R. Spencer, Dale R. Beucler, and Charlie G. Kohlhardt.
pp. 20-24.
(8) Finstrate: A New Concept in VLSI Packaging, by Arun K. Malholtra,
Glen E. Leinbach, Jeffery J. Straw, and Guy R. Wagner. pp. 24-26.
(9) NMOS-III Process Technology, by James M. Mikkelson, Fung-Sun Fei,
Arun K. Maholtra, and S. Dana Seccombe. pp. 27-29.
(10) Two-Layer Refractory Metal IC Process, by James P. Roland, Norman
E. Hendrickson, Daniel D. Kessler, Donald E. Novy Jr., and David
W. Quint. pp. 30-33.
(11) NMOS-III Photolithography, by Howard E. Abraham, Keith
G. Bartlett, Garry L. Hillis, Mark Stolz, and Martin S. Wilson.
pp. 34-37.
March 1984:
(0) front cover: photo of a "solar system" made up of colored balls.
p. 1.
(1) A New 32-Bit VLSI Computer Family: Part II--Software, by Michael
V. Hetrick and Micheal L. Kolesar. pp. 3-6.
(2) HP-UX: Implementation of Unix on the HP 9000 Series 500 Computer
System, by Scoyy W. Y. Wang and Jeff B. Lindberg. pp. 7-15.
(3) An Interactive Run-Time Compiler for Enhanced BASIC Language
Performance, by David M. Landers, Timothy W. Tillson, Jack
D. Cooley, and Richard R. Rupp. pp. 15-21.
(4) A Local Area Network for the HP 9000 Series 500 Computers, by John
J. Balza, H. Michael Wenzel, and James L. Willits. pp. 22-23,
25-27.
(5) Data Communications for a 32-Bit Computer Workstation, by Vincent
C. Jones. pp. 24-25.
(6) A General-Purpose Operating System Kernel for a 32-Bit Computer
System, by Dennis D. Georg, Benjamin D. Osecky, and Stephan
D. Sheid. pp. 28-34.
(7) The Design of a General-Purpose Multiple-Processor System, by
Benjamin D. Osecky, Dennis D. Georg, and Robert J. Bury.
pp. 34-38.
(8) An I/O Subsystem for a 32-Bit Computer Operating System, by Robert M.
Lenk, Charles E. Mear, Jr., and Marcel E. Meier. pp. 38-41.
(9) Coping with Prior Invention, by Donald L. Hammond. p. 44 (rear
cover). About the HP 2225 ThinkJet and HP's decision to work with
Canon when they found Canon had already developed similar ink-jet
printing technology.
> Does anybody have the magazine (and be willing to sell it :) or if
> somebody has it could they give a list of the articles and
> some info on is it worth ordering as a reprint.
As you might guess, the answers are yes (and no), and see above.
These two issues are primarily about the HP 9000 Series 500 family.
The August 1983 issue is about the hardware and processor design and
packaging, and the March 1984 issue is about the software.
As Joe mentioned, the 9000 was originally conceived as a sort of
follow-on to the 9845 high-performance BASIC workstation. Somewhere
in there the marketeers got the idea that it should run this new UNIX
thing too, and so the OS developers got the idea of this lower-layer
OS called "SUN" (no relation to that other UNIX vendor) that provided
basic multiprocessor and multiprogramming support: multiple processes,
memory management, multiprocessor-safe synchronization primitives,
stuff like that. They then implemented a single-user BASIC atop that,
and a port of System III UNIX called HP-UX.
And, well, it's really a fascinating approach to performance from the
very late 1970s and early 1980s. That first issue is largely about
the design of a high-performance 32-bit CISC microprocessor based on
the then-current notions within HP: it's a 32-bit microcoded stack
processor, just like a big classic HP3000.
Speed meant power, and power meant heat, and they needed to do
something about the heat. Ever pull the CPU or memory cards out and
notice how heavy they are for their size? That's because the boards
have a 1mm solid copper core. The ICs are not in packages, they sit
in holes in the Teflon printed-circuit base and are epoxied directly
to the copper core, which dissipates the heat that the ICs generate
when running. Bond-out wires go directly to pads on the
printed-circuit board. That's why there are protective covers on the
boards, there's naked silicon and other fragile stuff underneath.
Astronomical notions are what drive the code names:
SUN: the OS
FOCUS: the processor chip family
MONOCLE: the boot loader ("puts the SUN into FOCUS")
DAWN: the 9020 (520)
CORONA: can't remember, was this the 9040 (540)?
That (especially the "SUN" name of the OS) is why the "solar system"
picture on the cover of the March 1984 issue.
At the time of the August 1983 issue, the family wasn't called the
"Series 500", it was just the "HP 9000" with models 20, 30, and 40
(9020, 9030, 9040). Somewhere between there and March 1984, the
98[123]6 and 9920 were renamed as the HP 9000 Series 200 family
(2[123]6 and 220, respectively) and the models 20, 30, and 40 became
the Series 520, 530, and 540. I think the Series 550 came after this.
-Frank McConnell
>Also, if anyone wants one of these things, $10 plus shipping. The
>condition
>is unknown since I haven't fired them up ... and they don't include
>keyboards :).
Do you know how much shipping will be?
Are these the ones that include the MC68000 cpu and run Xenix?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marvin [mailto:marvin@rain.org]
> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 4:09 PM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: TRS-80 Model II
>
>
>
> I have several TRS-80 Model II (w/ 8" drives) without
> keyboards. Are the
> Model III keyboards compatible?
>
> Also, if anyone wants one of these things, $10 plus shipping.
> The condition
> is unknown since I haven't fired them up ... and they don't include
> keyboards :).
>
> From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com>
>
> >Oh, sure, and I didn't mean to contradict you, I just wanted to provide
>
> Oh heck, shure you did. ;)
Ok, sorry, but like Tim Allen says, it's that male hierarchical thing...
(throaty primate emphasis on the "ar-ar" sound in that word).
8-;
I've just found a tape I recovered some time ago from the
trash. It realy looks old. Tape dimensions: 1/2 inch, density 6250dpi,
reel exterior diameter 8 1/2 inches, reel internal hole 95mm. What
might it be?
I have a QIC tape drive and a DEC TZ30 tape drive. Is there
any chance (I mean, any chance at all, no matter how crazy) to hack a
way of reading it with the those tape drives? Just wondering...
Cheers,
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-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Erlacher <richard(a)idcomm.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Saturday, September 02, 2000 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: D'oh! Backup issue solved
>Folks with big ISP's/search engines tend to have between 750 GB and 1.5
TB
>of storage, depending on their size. Numerous corporate enterprises
around
>here are near the TB range right now. I heard on the radio about one
new
>internet startup that brought up 775 GB of RAID their first day.
May be so. I manage 40 clients and 4 servers every day and its not an
issue.
I could care less about the problem of dealing with more than 10-20gb.
Most
people I know of want a good solid very reliable 5-20gb system that
really
does make a restorable backup. In that range there are a lot of
products,
loads of hardware and most work fine. What I find lacking is the ability
to
IMAGE copy the disks(for NT4) replace the disk and write it back. I'm
used
to doing this with VMS to clone a disk and it's a life saver.
Allsion
> Neat! Let's all give that a try! Generating a 125MhZ signal sounds
> easy enough. ;-) Why are the ruskies' satellites so sensitive to
> low-level signals generated over here? Dang, I wonder how many false
> alerts my Jacob's ladder has triggered via harmonics? Mabye it needs
> a transformer with a higher voltage and more current and longer spark
> rods...
ROFL!
R.D. fires up the tesla coil, and Cheyenne Mountain goes to Defcon III...
-dq
Does someone on the list have any knowledge about the DEC AUI terminator
and loopback plugs.
terminator p/n 12-22196-01
loopback p/n 12-22196-02
Both of these only have 6 pins, shown below with their signals:
3 TX+
5 RX+
6 +12v return
10 TX-
12 RX-
13 +12v
I tried to determined how they are wired with a VOM, but even on the
Rx20k scale, I could not find any continuity among the pins.
TIA
Mike
