From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com>
>> Heh, heh... I like that, but you've got it backwards. You start by
playing
>> UNIX, and if you win you get to play OpenVMS!
>
>No, you've BOTH got it wrong.
>
>You start with VMS. If you quit playing and switch to Unix, *then* you
>win. :-)
Still wrong... you start with PCees and when you outgrow training wheels
helmets and knee pads you move on to VMS or Unix. If you loose you
go to WinNT hell.
Allison
Hello, could anyone help this person out with some information or leads?
Please reply to her directly. Thanks,
David Greelish
Publisher
Classic Computing Press
www.classiccomputing.com
>From lorri1961(a)yahoo.com -
I've been given an assignment to research and compare the differences in the
IBM 350, 1301 and 3350 disk drives. I've been searching most of the moring
and haven't come up with very much at all. I've checked the IBM site and find
mostly current hardware. I've
search several other sites and find only brief references to the devices.
Would you happen to have any leads that would help me find the Platter
diameter, rotation speed, capacity in MB and data tranfer rates of these
devices. I'm not asking for answeres, only for possible leads to the
information.
Thank you for your help,
Lorri
A couple years ago we had a thread about Halon fire-suppressing systems
used in computer rooms. Through the school of hard knocks,
I just learned first hand how such systems operate.
Today at work (let's just call it a "large employer in the Washington
DC area") we had a memorable incident in Operations Control when
someone (with undoubtedly good intentions) unscrewed the
solenoid controlling the valve and dumped - without warning -
2500 pounds of Halon 1301 into the room in just a few
seconds. (Operations is a *big* room. It was fitted with eight
giant red tanks of Halon.)
Normally there'd be a thirty-second delay as an audible alarm
allowed the occupants to clear the room, but this feature is
bypassed if you go straight to the solenoid!
The sudden pressure from the halon dump sent numerous ceiling
tiles flying, as well as large stacks of paper that were blown off the
consoles. Not everyone evacuated immediately - several folks
in safety-critical roles stuck around for ten or fifteen minutes
until the firefighters showed up with air packs that allowed others
to relieve them. Some who did stick around eventually left
in ambulances (I *hope* just to run some precautionary tests.)
The good news: the computers didn't hiccup at all during all this.
Moderately good news: Halon dumps aren't instantly fatal.
Seeing as how I spend a good fraction of my day within a couple
of feet of some giant red Halon tanks in the concrete bunker -
oops, officially it's called "computer room" - this is good to know.
I'd been heavily trained that when the Halon dump alarm sounds, you
*get out*. Now I know a little more, especially about the dead-man
switch you can use to delay an electronically-triggered dump.
This Halon is Good Stuff. Other than some grit blasted from the
ceiling tiles, there was zero debris left in the machinery.
What's the "environmentally friendly" equivalent used today?
Is there such an equivalent - something that will put out a fire,
but at the same time not damage vital equipment?
Tim.
From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
>> I'm hoping to get a book on CP/M soon.
>For user level, there were some books by Rodney Zaks.
>Dr. Dobbs once had an article "CP/M command Summary". I'll bring a
xerox
>of it to VCF.
>For programming info, try "CP/M Systems Programming" by Larry Hughes.
For programming I recommend two MUST HAVE books.
DRI the CP/M 2.2 native books, you can find copies on the net
I'm sure. Hard copy is not hard to find either. It was also
republished by Morrow, Compupro and Kaypro to name a few
so not seeing DRI on the cover is not unusual.
The Programmers CP/M Hand Book by Andy Johnston-Laird
What DRI forgot he reminds us of or corrects.
Also hit the deltasoft site as having sources for CCP, BDOS
and all is not a bad thing either.
Allison
From: Nick Oliviero <oliv555(a)arrl.net>
>Thanks. I don't have one of those, I'll check into whether its
>still in the cabinet.
>
>Nick
If it is let me know... All the ones I'd seen were out side the big box
on a desk with a tube, keyboard and printer. There was a cable
>from the back of the Pro to the vax, not too fat but unique to that
useage.
Allison
From: Shawn T. Rutledge <rutledge(a)cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com>
>> (they apparently own the justice department already, since they're
more of a
>> monopoly than microsoft), each new company = more money = more crap by
intel
>
>No they aren't. AMD keeps becoming a better competitor; remember it
>wasn't that long ago that they only had cheaper but inferior clones,
they
>didn't have processors which actually performed better than Intel's,
>even at the high end. But now they do. And there is also Transmeta.
I'd also agree at one point you had Intel, AMD, Cyrix and some I forgot.
Monoply no, some better than others sure.
Also there are whole market segments where intel does not own
more than a small peice of it at all.
Allison
I believe it used a pro350 or 380 with a special interface board set
as a system console. Pros are PDP-11 FYI.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Oliviero <oliv555(a)arrl.net>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Thursday, September 14, 2000 8:18 PM
Subject: VAX 8900 booter
>Anyone know what boot device was installed in this ?
>I know that earlier Vaxen used PDP11s. A quick search
>of the net yielded little information about this model.
>
>I've got a line on one about to be dismantled and want
>to find out if theres anything in it worth salvaging. Don't
>have access to it, its 1000 miles away. But I have a friend
>there willing to scout it for me. Thanks.
>
> Nick
>
From: Neil Cherry <ncherry(a)home.net>
>Now comes the questions, I don't know the commands for CPM does anyone
know
>of a good intro to ccp? I'm hoping to get a book on CP/M soon. In the
mean
Yes DOS on a PC, it's nearly as useful as CP/M.
CCP, native commands:
DIR, REN, ERA, SAVE, TYPE, USER
Transient programs:
PIP, STAT, ED, ASM, LOAD, DDT, DUMP, SUBMIT
Allison
From: Daniel T. Burrows <dburrows(a)netpath.net>
>That is not what I meant.
;) reach out... and pull someones leg.
>It amazes me how you and several others on this
>list can come up with so much good info at the drop of a hat.
I'm acient, been there, done some too and alzhimers hasn't struck yet.
Soooo that give me the fastest access, my memory. That and I
remember parts and their numbers better than names.
Allison
This person has some stuff to give away. Please contact her directly.
Reply-To: ctoy(a)com21.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:07:46 -0700
From: Cindy Toy <ctoy(a)com21.com>
To: donate(a)vintage.org, ctoy(a)com21.com
Subject: Various Hardware and Software to Donate
Hi,
I have been involved with the computer industry since I purchased my
first IBM PC with Expansion unit at ComputerLand in 1981. A few years
ago, I gave that units away to a friend. However, I have a fully loaded
(by 1985 standards) Compaq lugable computer which still works. In
addition, I have two printers. One Okidata Microline 93 dot matrix
printer and one Brother HR25 impact printer. Various software titles
and peripherals some in its original box.
Where can I donate these? or should I just trash it?
Regards,
Cindy
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