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>>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:30:08 +0100
>>From: Adrian Graham <agraham(a)ccat.co.uk>
>>Subject: RE: large collection of vintage machines on ebay
>>
>>They *are* taking over my computer room and garage though :)
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>>>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:30:08 +0100
>>>From: Adrian Graham <agraham(a)ccat.co.uk>
>>>Subject: RE: large collection of vintage machines on ebay
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>>>They *are* taking over my computer room and garage though :)
>>>
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Since about a month I am the proud owner of an Interpro 2430 with a
Kryptonite C400 ClipperCPU . It's a fully working system with a
21" Colordisplay, 32Mb RAM, 400MB SCSI HD, Ethernet, Floppy
and a double framebuffer. Tonight I got the beast up and running and
circumvented the root password. Yoooopiiii
But I have no manuals, no CD, or other valuable information.
I am currently rummaging through the filesystem, but it seems
to have been used as a plain user machine with some CAD-software.
No development stuff!
The Clipper C400 CPU is offspring from the (in)famous C100
Fairchild-Clipper. Eventually the C400 (kryptonite) was the last one made.
Intergraph Corporation (Ingr.) aquired the CPU from Fairchild and after
a few years that was the end of the story. AFAIK Ingr. moved to the
Windows NT platform and is no longer supporting the Clipper,
the hardware or CLIX (the Clipper port of UNIX).
The Clipper has a nice architecture though. I have a book (and a chipset)
of the C100. The book=> Clipper 32-bit Microprocessor - User Manual
(from Fairchild: ISBN 0-13-138058-3 025)
The Clipper is actually a chip set. One Chip contains the CPU & FPU and
2 CAMMU chips which integrate a cache and a MMU. One of the CAMMU
chips serves the Instruction Queue, the other CAMMU is for data.
The CPU-FPU chip has 16 32-bit User registers, 16 32-Bit Supervisor
registers 8 64-Bit Floatingpoint registers, a Program and System statusword
and a Programcounter
The CAMMU's each contain a 4k byte 2-way associ. data or instr. cache, A
quadword (16-byte) linebuffer, that acts as a fast cache-within-the-cache,
and a Translation Lookaside Buffer that caches 128 freq. used virtual adress
translations. Not a lot by today's standards but cleverly executed.
The Clipper is rather special in that it has both RISC and CISC features.
The core is RISC but complex instructions are executed in an internal
macrocode. (kinda microcode of RISC primitives)
Software development on the Interpro systems is cumbersome and a
lot of the CLIX-features are outdated. It's also slow by today's norm
You can put some version of gcc on this system but you would need the
CLIX-libraries in order to execute your programs on the native Clipper.
These lib's are on the CD that accompanied the system.
..... But I don't have that CD
Alas, Linux or NetBSD would be nice. But Ingr is not forthcoming with the
systemdetails. So any one out there that could leverage some goodwill
on the side of Ingr. to part with Interpro, Clipper and CLIX secrets ........
...... might set of the first porting attempts!
Meanwhile a lot of these systems get scrapped and the Clipper heritage
slowly goes into the big void of remote history. It's rather ironical that
the system does not yet deserve the label of vintage computer because
it is not even 10 years old. The BIOS-productiondate on my system
reads 1994!
So if you feel as sad about this wastefull drama as I do .... Let's unite
and let us be heard of...
I will address these matters on this group in the near future and may
propose a mild flame towards Ingr. to persuade and petition them
to put more of their Clipper material in the public domain. But first
I need to learn more about these matters
I personally am not capable of porting anything since I am still busy
getting used to CLIX, UNIX, LINUX or whatever.
Reactions please ...........
Sipke de Wal
I'll just stick to good beer thank you.
Francois Local person of nundaneness and
Safety
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Looking for sex in a pile of mimes...
-----Original Message-----
From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Re: VCF Soft Drink Requests
>> > > > > > How about starting a request list of stuff we're hoping to find
for
>> > > > > > trade/sale/free at the VCF
>> > > > > > -beer (speaking of which: If you owe me a beer, you'll have a
chance
>> > > > > > to pay up this VCF.)
>> > > > > Dr. Pepper. Flowing freely. By the gallon. Mr. Pibb even better.
>> > > > > Does canned Mr. Pibb exist *anywhere*? It seems to only exist as
a
>> > > > > fountain drink, at least here in So. Cal.
>> > > > Well, I agree for the Beer part, but what the
>> > > > heck you are talking about ?
>> > > Classic Coke and Cherry Coke... In grand quantities!
>> > Blasphemy. :-P
>>
>> Well, without the beer I'll go for the coke, but ya'll have
>> to give me some private lessons about this kind of soft drinks
>> (I took some of Uncle ROgers weired soft drink cans back to
>> Germany (strawbery vanilla flavoured something) and got prety
>> stupid reactions :)
>
>I think we need to introduce you to Vernors, too.
>
>--
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http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ --
> Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University *
ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu
>-- Philosophy will clip an angel's wings. -- John
Keats -----------------------
Hello!
I'm a happy owner of Silent 700. I bought this thing yesterday for
20 FIM (approx. $3) and it looks spanking new! Really nice.
Anyway it's model 745 and it has an acoustic coupler and a DB15 (male)
connector. I browsed through some classiccmp mails from retrobyte
but I was left a bit confused. Is the 15-pin connector RS-232 or is it
current loop ? (keeping my fingers crossed for RS-232!)
I've also read that you can set different options via the internal jumpers,
does anybody have any idea about those ?
It had a loopback connector on the DB15 connected like this:
2->11
3->13
8->12
--
Jarkko "Proud and happy owner of a RetroGraphics powered ADM-3" Teppo
jate(a)uwasa.fi
>I found that if I shut down and _remove_ the modem and then install
windoze 95
>on a _clean_, freshly formatted disk and then shut down and re-install
the
>modem, _then_ the parts of w95 that need to will see the modem
(remember, it's
>a plug-n-pray modem that I have -like you'd said your friend's was). My
m'board
>is supposed to be "Plug-n-Play" but in this case there are probably
subtle
>things that made it mostly plug-n-pray for sure.
Yes there are. To get plug and pray to reset you need to enable the reset
in the bios.
the next power up it will enumerate the modem.
two caveats... not all winmodems (HSP) work in all systems. And if the
BIOS
is not P&P you may have to go into the control Pannel | system and
actually tweek the
driver to point at every possible address the modem can be at (less than
a dozen).
Usually it W95 messes up and puts the wrong stuff at the wrong IRQ and
this is
worse when IRQs are near all full!
I know I do this EVERY day on 5x86/133 through P166 systems that are OLD.
Also keep in mond that the autoprobe function of the system can and does
fail to find stuff or if it has the worng IRQ/Address misidentifes it.
>Although I have some experience with installing PNP hardware onto w95/98
>systems, it seems to me that while installing the w95 onto a previously
>hardware configured box, the PNP majic of the system will not correctly
detect
>and install the PNP hardware into the new system. Maybe this is old hat
to some
>of you that had come against this problem, but it's new to me as I'm not
one to
>buy lots of hardware stuff to play with and try out and otherwise tinker
with
>my machines. The machines are tools for me and I put my money resources
into
>s/w tools I need or my old radio collection (as Hans F. and Wm. Donzelli
can
>attest ;)
It's fairly straightforward. I do this enough to be comfortable with it.
Previously
installed means no new disk or reinstall of the OS (unless it was to
refresh a
few files) as the OS stores all the setup in REGISTRY, INFs and DLLs.
For those not timid at heart, the registry is very editable and can
usually stand
cleaning up.
FYI the most common problem is that I find the P&P want to put NIC at 210
and IRQ3 or 5 with is often already commited to COM1 and LPT2. Manual
setting of the OS (in the system pannel) is enough to fix that.
BEWARE... W95 by default installs NETBUEI as the only protocal! You
must
make sure that the TCP/IP protocal is installed and also the adaptor
(networking pannel). Then go to the DUN (DIAL UP NETWORKING) and set
up the dial out. FYI: use MSDUN13 (from the MS site.) as the OSR2 DUN
has
problems arounf DHCP and some other junk.
I usually install W95, then setup the networking, install MSDUN13 and
then
follow with layered products (err uhm applications). HINT: install MS
internet explorer
before netscape then make netscape the default if you prefer it. Also if
you use MS
Internet explorer/OutlookExpress Use 4.01SP2, it has fewer of the
active-x and COMx
controls and can be hardened more than the IE5 versions (they are very
virus prone).
Last item in is a ANTIvirus with currrent signatures, I lke SYMANTEC but
MCAfee
seems to work as well. In any case instal and enable it.
>BTW, I'm using w95 OSR-2 also. 8-24-96 is the majority of file dates on
the
>distribution.
Same here. Also known as 95B or 400.950. That was the last version
unless you
have 95C (I do) which is the OEM disti copy.
Myself I've run 95, 98 and NT4/SP4/workstation and NT beats 9x hands down
(except for games). It will give untuned Linux (caldara openlinux2.3) a
goor run.
NT like Linux is intimidating for the novice to install and setup. Done
properly
with known good drivers they all work. Keep in mind one thing, I HATE
Micros~1!
Allison
OK, this falls in the stupid question catagory. What are the minimum memory
requirements for VMS V5.5? I'm in the process of resurecting my VAXstation
II/RC and would for some idiotic reason like to leave it in the original
configuration except for the HD (dead RD53). I just got done stuffing the
VCB01 back in and noticed that what I thought was a 8MB RAM board is only a
2MB RAM board. Now here is the idiotic part, I'm threatening to run it in a
3MB RAM configuration, despite having some 4MB and 8MB RAM boards. As a
result I'm wondering what VMS V5.5's RAM requirements are. Unfortunatly
I've not got much in the line of V5.5 doc's so can't look it up.
Zane
Hans:
I did some investigation of this several years ago on this topic exactly. I
was able to put my hands on the motion to approve the sale of the assets of
CEL and CBM.
Excerpting from the court filing, as follows:
----------------------
UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
Notice of hearing to appeove sale of assets and solicitation of higher or
better offers.
...
PLEASE TAKE FURTHER NOTICE THAT the sale to Escom is pursuant to a contract
(the "Contract") dated March 13, 1995 providing for the conveyance of
specified assets (collectively referred to here in as the "assets"),
including the right, title and interest of the Commodore Entities to
substantially all of their intellectual property, including technology,
trademarks (including Commodore's logo and the names "Amiga" and
"Commodore"), patents, copyrights, and know-how, and tooling, inventory,
components, spare parts, microchips, and microchip test and design
equipment, for a gross price of approximately $5 million in cash. The
technology being offered for sale includes all technology and patents
developed in connection with Commodore's products, including the Amiga 1200,
the Amiga 4000, and the Amiga CD32.
{end quote}
--------------------
The auction was to take place on April 20, 1995.
As I recall, Escom did purchase all of the 8-bit technology, including all
of the Amiga stuff, and then promptly filed for insolvency on July 15, 1996.
Then, supposedly all of the same assets were sold to Gateway, which then
sold the Amiga goodies to Amiga, Inc. (Snoqualmie, WA). I would suspect that
the 8-bit technology went with it, although I can't confirm it. If someone
knows anyone in the know at Gateway or Amiga, that would be a good way to
find out.
However, when reading CBM's reorganization plan (which obviously was never
delcared effective; the company was ultimately liquidated), it specifically
mentions the desire of the liquidators of CIL and CEL to sell all of the
intellectual property, know-how, tooling, and inventory, including that of
the C64 and Amiga products.
The reorganization plan also indicated that CBM had $150 million of
unsecured trade claims, including $95 million to various other Commodore
entities.
More information. As of an early-1997 D&B report, the officers of GMT
Microelectronics (purchaser of the CSG real property and equipment in the
auction) included Dennis Peasenell (CHB), James Oerth (CTO), Anthonw Wilson
(VP of Facilities), George Giansanti (President), Thomas Aiken (CFO) and
Alan Sabanosh (VP of Manufacturing). GMT purchased the Norristown facility
on September 2, 1994 (closing on January 6, 1995) for $4.3 million in cash.
This acquisition was to include some personal property (equipment and raw
materials and finished goods on hand, I would suspect).
Rich
Pseudo-attorney
-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Franke [mailto:Hans.Franke@mch20.sbs.de]
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 7:12 AM
To: Richard A. Cini, Jr.
Subject: Re: Brochure re: CSG liquidation
Hallo Rich,
> I don't know if anyone saw this on comp.sys.cbm, but it's an interesting
> brochure. It's the auction notice brochure from 1994 for the Commodore
> Semiconductor Group. I work for the asset-based financing division of the
> sixth-largest bank in the US, and we've used Ross-Dove for our auctions
and
> liquidations. It's a nice brochure with detailed pictures.
In fact, I'm still searching for some informations. for
example who owns the IP of CSG ? Like the 6510 or 6530
cips - also who owns the IP for Commodore programm code,
like the 6530 ROM content ? Maybe you got any idea ?
Back in the final Commodore auction in NYC, these
rights have not been mentioned. the only alike IP part
has been the Amiga lot. Seams as if the ownership
has been 'lost'.
> Sad, none the less, but a great brochure.
> http://archive.dovebid.com/company/archive/commodore.htm
Jep, great historic material. Thank you
Servus
Hans
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VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen
http://www.vintage.org/vcfehttp://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe
Does anyone have the boot disk and/or docs for the Intel iPDS-100? It's a
portable (like the Osborn) circa 1982, 8085-based (it actually has three
8085's inside).
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
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Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
How about starting a request list of stuff we're hoping to find for
trade/sale/free at the VCF
I'll start right here:
-pocket computers
-programmable calculators
-beer (speaking of which: If you owe me a beer, you'll have a chance to pay
up this VCF.)
-laptops
-software and accessories for the above
-MSX machines
-European models (Amstrad, Oric, Sinclair....)
Keep on adding.
Thanks
Francois
