> To repeat my previous message:
>
> ...two PDP 11/23 CPU cards in chassis, plus a full set of
> peripheral cards...and two RL02 drives...
> Located in South Dakota, 2 or 3 hours drive from me, I believe. These
> are probably going to hit the dumpster unless someone rescues them.
> I'm not into PDP stuff, but will do what I can to help if someone
> wants these items. Act now - time is running out!
I _do_ collect PDP stuff, but I'm in Ohio and not likely to be able to
pick up any sort of equipment that far away. I wouldn't mind saving it,
but for stuff I already have multiples of, I can't justify a multi-state
rescue.
I hope _someone_ in your area wants them.
-ethan
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>
>Um... I have a vaxstation 3100 in need of a 10baseT transciever. I CAN
just
>use an ordinary aui-10bT transciever, right?
>
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> From: Will Jennings[SMTP:xds_sigma7@hotmail.com]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 2:46 PM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: A reason to hit ARC, etc.
>
> At one ARC in Colorado Springs (prices in dollars in parenthesis):
> VAXstation 2000 (6)
> the TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 front end programs for the '11 in the system (3)
> An HP-150 (which I am kicking myself for not buying even though it was a
> year ago! 6)
>
> Will J
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Sellam, you wrote:
>Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:27:52 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com>
>Subject: Re: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open
>
>On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, Bill Bradford wrote:
>
>> Actually it does sell quite a bit of items, but they keep select stuff
>> as part of their vintage-items museum.
>
>Yeah, and that select stuff could probably be selling for a goodly sum of
>money that will go towards their primary mission of helping people get
>back on their feet.
>
>Someone should write to Goodwill corporate and let them know this is going
>on. I'm sure it's not in their charter and I would guess they would not
>approve of valuable stock being retained for the enjoyment of a couple
>employees.
>
>Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
Disclaimer: I live in Texas, was born in Austin, and probably have some
local-boy bias floating around here somewhere.
I agree with you in some ways. I certainly agree in that I'm very
jealous of those guys (GWCW museum). They have positioned themselves
squarely astride of the biggest, fastest-flowing stream of castaway (free)
antique computers in the state. Add to this the fact that they have the
cachet of a charitable organization to motivate donors (whereas I'm just a
grubby individual collector) and I turn green with envy.
Now let's consider what it is they are actually doing. Like it or
not, they are already astride that stream of computers, because they are
successful at their mission. Thank goodness they have the sense and
foresight and resources to preserve the classics mixed into that stream
(particularly the very interesting ones, like the Lisas and Crays) rather
than scrapping them as so many other computer dealers, etc. do.
Furthermore, they are doing with their preserved machines exactly what I'd
do if I had the resources. They are building a very comprehensive
collection, and putting it on display for everyone to enjoy.
Admittedly the choice of "do not touch" signs is a bit off-putting,
but honestly if my collection were on shelves with hundreds of people
walking by every hour, I'd have it behind glass. I love the idea of
teaching somebody to use my Rainbow, but *only* if I can spend the time to
teach them to turn on *both* of the kludged power switches (two SPST
replacing a single DPST) at the *same time*, always put the lower floppy
into the RX-50 *upside down*, etc. A working, hands-on museum is of course
the ideal but in a situation where the guest-to-curator ratio is above
about 5, it entails a very high risk of damage to the collection.
I'd also like to point out, from a more selfish point of view, that
there are no more than one of any specific machine type (that I know about,
anyway) in their collection. That means all the duplicates they get do hit
their classic-computer shelves and are available to us (me). Again, that's
at least as reasonable as I'd be myself and much better than most
organizations do. (Actually I'd be inclined to keep spares myself, but then
I don't have as good a supply channel as they do.)
The one complaint that you have with which I really can't argue is
that it's not obviously part of their company charter. However, I'd make
the reply that so it isn't, but that just means their charter is
inadequate. What they are doing benefits society, in that it is developing
and making available a great display of the history of computing. (This is
the right group to claim that's a worthy goal, right?) They also make that
collection visible to anyone, even folks of very limited means, and that's
something that no other organization in the state (region?) is doing.
Comparing these benefits to the relatively miniscule finacial benefit
they'd get by, how do we say, "whoring the collection on eBay", I find it
very attractive to hope they will persist and increase their collection. I
therefore hope that no-one complains to Goodwill Corporate about it.
I also should point out that it *is* effective advertising, and
benefits their chartered mission as such. I've not had a chance to visit
their store myself - but I will next time I'm in Austin.
- Mark
In a message dated Wed, 23 Aug 2000 1:12:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Lawrence Walker" <lgwalker(a)look.ca> writes:
<<
> >The machine being described does NOT sound like a PS/1!
> >It sounds like a PCJr.
>
> PCjr was 8088, early 80s and was very funky compared to the PS/2
> and later PS/1s.
>
> >Did the PS/1 have a 5.25" drive (other than external)?
>
> No external, it was internal.
>
> >Did the PS/1 have a "power cube"?
>
> No, internal PS.
>
> >Did the PS/1 have a chiclets keyboard?
>
> Nope, standard external PS2 (smaller din connector)
>
> >Did the PS/1 have joysticks?
>
> No, it was aimed at business users.
>
> Allison
> >
> >The PS/1 came after the PS/2, and may or may not be OT. Some thought
> that
> >it was IBM backing down from MCA.
The PS/1 was definitely aimed at the consumer market. :My
:2133-e11 has both 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 internal FDDs, a com :port, and a
:riser with provisions for 3 add-in cards, one of which :was an
:internal modem to use the Prodigy hookup in the shell :interface.
:Some of the earlier ones had a modem on the motherboard
:like the Kaypro did. Of course one could use joysticks :with
:a Sound-Blaster card. It also came with a HD and 2x :72-pin
:SIMM slots
: The PS/2s continued long after the PS/1 was phased out :for
:the Value-Point and later the Ambra which were also :aimed
:at the lower priced consumer market.
both the PS/1 and PS/2 series ended around 1994. the valuepoint was a more standard ISA bus machine announced in 1992-1993 and was designed for the corporate market like the PS/2. The valuepoints then gave way to the PC300 and PC700 series desktops of a few years ago.
Hi
1st time post.
Picked this up for $10. No monitor or keyboard. 2 Floppies. No cracks or
scratches but "yellowed" case. Very little info on net about this one.
Seems that was one of the rare computers to use an actual 80186 chip.
Seems to "wake up" fine after nice cleaning and checking all
connectors...
Tried to boot from some 360k flopies with 2.11 DOS on it. No luck.
Drives look alive but don't seek for long and stop. Suspect this needs
some sort of special DOS or disk format...???
DIN type connector for monitor. Anybody know the pinout or specs? What
about the keyboard? Most TRS-80 don't even mention this model
2000...Anybody wanna speculate on how rare this is?
Started collecting/restoring a few months back. 35, college degree in
electronics, worked all my life in electronics and computers. Had access
to several college systems when I was young as 14 - neighboor was
university teacher and gave me access to a bunch of systems like PLATO
(CDC) and several others at local university...
Claude
How can you tell about the original ROMs and 13 sector disk?
Francois
>
>While thousands of them were produced, in my experience they are very
>uncommon in the wild and not easy to come by.
>
>I'd say an original one with original ROMs (Integer BASIC, etc), and
>original motherboard, is worth about $100.
>
>A little more if it comes with the original Apple ][ Reference manual (the
>Red book) and the BASIC programming manual (the Blue book).
>
>If it has a 13-sector disk controller, a little more.
>
>Sellam International Man of Intrigue and
Danger
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>Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
>
> VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1
> San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California
> See http://www.vintage.org for details!
>
>
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Monday, August 21, 2000 1:14 PM
Subject: RE: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *
>The machine being described does NOT sound like a PS/1!
>It sounds like a PCJr.
PCjr was 8088, early 80s and was very funky compared to the PS/2
and later PS/1s.
>Did the PS/1 have a 5.25" drive (other than external)?
No external, it was internal.
>Did the PS/1 have a "power cube"?
No, internal PS.
>Did the PS/1 have a chiclets keyboard?
Nope, standard external PS2 (smaller din connector)
>Did the PS/1 have joysticks?
No, it was aimed at business users.
Allison
>
>The PS/1 came after the PS/2, and may or may not be OT. Some thought
that
>it was IBM backing down from MCA.
>
>
>Anybody in the SF bay area who would like some PCJrs? PS/2s? Don't
make
>me bring a big pile of stuff to VCF!
>
>--
>Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
>
"FBA" <fauradon(a)mn.mediaone.net> wrote:
> How can you tell about the original ROMs and 13 sector disk?
Integer BASIC leaves the D0 and D8 ROM sockets empty; Applesoft BASIC
fills all the ROM sockets. In Integer BASIC systems, D0 may be filled
with the Programmer's Aid #1 ROM.
The difference between 13-sector and 16-sector Disk ][ controllers is
the two ROMs on the card -- I believe the 13-sector ROMs are called
"P5" and "P6" while the 16-sector ROMs are called "P5A" and "P6A". I
can't remember whether the ICs are stamped with this however.
-Frank McConnell
