> On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
>
> > Speaking of which: anybody know where I could find an old Plato
terminal?
>
> I'd be interested too. I have a manual set for Plato applications.
You have a manual set for a CDC-based Plato application? Or for one
of the later incarnations of Plato (such as on the TI/99a)?
-dq
Dudes, can we move on already?
Go to the farking employer-master/employee-slave list to carry on all
this Phd good/bad, work week long/short shit. Doesn't exist? Good,
start one or something.
Shit already.
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
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Here is my take on excessive work expectations.
If that is the example you want to set for your children and expresses your
values, i.e. your work is the most important thing in life and all else
including family is peripheral, then you should work 80+ hours. However
don't be surprised when your children have the same values and don't have
time for you. If your company sees you as a resource to be consumed and
then discarded for the newer/cheaper model then you may be in the right
field.
If you are single and want the challenge then work is like a drug,
intoxicating for the knowledge and accomplishment. When you are married
then perhaps life has other meanings, watching your children grow is
exciting.
I have been on both sides of this spectrum, when I was single the most
excitement, all of my friends, my world revolved around work. When I got
married and had children I realized that there was more to life and my
values have changed.
I'm not saying either lifestyle is the best, just works best for me.
The hard part is the interaction between the hardcode work people and the
hardcore humans, conflicting values.
Mike
mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu
From: David Williams <dlw(a)trailingedge.com>
Ok, I'll have to start searching and see what I can come up with.
BTW, didn't someone say that I couldn't format the RD54s on
here? Or maybe my mind is slipping. What other issue such as
this might I encounter with the different setups?
mostly correct. if you need to format a RD54 or a RD54 like drive
you need either software that is hard to find or a far cheaper solution
another small( 0.5cuFt) Microvax2000. Those can be found for
near nothing to free if there is no disks installed and the firmware
can format disks. FYI if it has 8mb or more of ram it will run VMS
very nicely using a smaller disk for swaping and the eithernet
for remote boot and system.
Allison
From: David Williams <dlw(a)trailingedge.com>
On 2 Jul 2000, at 16:09, Chuck McManis wrote:
> tapes and disks used different protocols (TMSCP vs MSCP). A Viking QTD
> from a DEC Reseller will set you back anywhere from $250 - $800. A
> nicer CMD controller like the one Allison recommended I've seen listed
> for $2000! Contrast that to an ESDI controller that you can usually
> find for $30 - $50.
Wow! Ok, I really want to run VMS but not $2000 enough. Well I
sometimes have some pretty good luck, maybe I'll find one
If you don't your not looking. I got mine for free. The 2000 number
is obviously a price for a new part.
don't forget there is also EDSI and the DEC RQDX3. Of those two
the RQDX3 is generally very cheap and usually free. Drives can
be a problem as the RD54s are the hot item, but they are found.
Allison
From: David Williams <dlw(a)trailingedge.com>
It looks to me like the controller is going to be the more difficult to
locate. I have a box of old unknown boards, some are DEC, I'll
have to sort through and see if I have anything of use (either in my
system or for trading) in there. Does anyone have any good
sources for controllers and/or the drives online? Any suggestions
on average costs?
Ok, SCSI controllers are easy to find just not cheap.
RXDX3 controllers for MFM disks (RD54 and friends)
are fairly common and cheap.
EDSI contrllers are less common but the drives are fairly cheap.
It's the easiest thing to solve in VAXland.
Allison
On 2 Jul 2000, at 7:57, allisonp wrote:
> From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com>
> >I'd recommend a nice ESDI controller (Dilog 696-20 or RQ11D/E
> >(Webster/Sigma/etc) If you can find a RRD-40 interface (CD-ROM) that
> would
> >be good to since VMS from CD is easier to load than VMS from TK50
> (having
> >done both recently I really recommend CD). If you can find (good
> >luck!)
> a
> >SCSI controller for it then your options are pretty much wide open.
> >BTW
> VMS
> >lives very nicely on a 500 - 600MB disk with lots of layered
> >products.
>
>
>
> Chuck, a SCSI board with one good drive and a CDrom would be likely a
> better choice depeding on what can be found. I used this combo
> CMD200, RZ56 and toshiba Cdrom.
>
> Allison
>
>
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David Williams - Computer Packrat
dlw(a)trailingedge.com
http://www.trailingedge.com
Contact me off list. I have several ESDI controllers that I have been
saving for the hobby users. WQESD, Dilog DQ696, etc. I even have some
drives to go with them.
The cheapest you will find for decent SCSI controllers are the CMD CQD220/TM
(Disk and Tape). I find them on the wholesale side but the min. I have paid
is $500. I typically pay $550 to $650 each even in quantity's of 10+.
Normal end user prices I have seen are $735 to $1200.
Keep your eyes open for Emulex UC07 and UC08. With late versions of the
firmware they work nicely with CD's.
The Vikings are solid but rather slow but will talk to CD's also with late
firmware.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: David Williams <dlw(a)trailingedge.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Reviving a MicroVAX II
It looks to me like the controller is going to be the more difficult to
locate. I have a box of old unknown boards, some are DEC, I'll
have to sort through and see if I have anything of use (either in my
system or for trading) in there. Does anyone have any good
sources for controllers and/or the drives online? Any suggestions
on average costs?
Thanks.
On 2 Jul 2000, at 7:57, allisonp wrote:
> From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com>
> >I'd recommend a nice ESDI controller (Dilog 696-20 or RQ11D/E
> >(Webster/Sigma/etc) If you can find a RRD-40 interface (CD-ROM) that
> would
> >be good to since VMS from CD is easier to load than VMS from TK50
> (having
> >done both recently I really recommend CD). If you can find (good
> >luck!)
> a
> >SCSI controller for it then your options are pretty much wide open.
> >BTW
> VMS
> >lives very nicely on a 500 - 600MB disk with lots of layered
> >products.
>
>
>
> Chuck, a SCSI board with one good drive and a CDrom would be likely a
> better choice depeding on what can be found. I used this combo
> CMD200, RZ56 and toshiba Cdrom.
>
> Allison
>
>
-----
David Williams - Computer Packrat
dlw(a)trailingedge.com
http://www.trailingedge.com
From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com>
>I'd recommend a nice ESDI controller (Dilog 696-20 or RQ11D/E
>(Webster/Sigma/etc) If you can find a RRD-40 interface (CD-ROM) that
would
>be good to since VMS from CD is easier to load than VMS from TK50
(having
>done both recently I really recommend CD). If you can find (good luck!)
a
>SCSI controller for it then your options are pretty much wide open. BTW
VMS
>lives very nicely on a 500 - 600MB disk with lots of layered products.
Chuck, a SCSI board with one good drive and a CDrom would be likely a
better
choice depeding on what can be found. I used this combo CMD200, RZ56
and toshiba Cdrom.
Allison
Ed,
Did you use the /VE option with DSC?
If you can, use BRU to copy a disk. I never had any problems with disks
copied with BRU.
A possiblility that you could not boot, could be that DU2: is not generated
into your RSX11M+.
Wim
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> From: wanderer <wanderer(a)bos.nl>
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Duplicating an RSX-11M+ system disk.
> Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 8:06 AM
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have a bit of a weird problem, I'm trying to make a 2nd bootable
> system disk containig RSX-11M+.
>
> I have an 11/83 with 2 RD53's and 1 RD54, and the system is on one
> of the RD53's. I booted [6,54]brusys.sys and then used DSC to copy
> the contents to the 2nd RD53. DSC did not report any error.
> Then when trying to boot du2 (the 2nd RD53), nothing happens besides
> a number of retries to access the boot information.
>
> DSC is supposed to copy the boot information as well as the data,
> so I'm wondering what I do wrong.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed
>
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I finally unburied a whole shipload of PALs I bought many years ago, and
started to sort them. I have a few National Semiconductor types called
20C1s. What is the organization of these? Apparently not a popular item,
as I found little information on the web.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
