test-drb June 2000

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580 discussions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 8, Jason McBrien wrote: > Try to snag an older version. I picked up Etherpeek 3.0 for $50 from a used > software store on-line. Works fine, or you can do linux/MacBSD and get a > sniffer for free. No pretty X interface though. I seem to remember having seen a gorgeous GUI-fied Unix packet sniffer package from Curtin University in Australia. PacketMan or something? -Dave McGuire

24 years, 1 month

Old Macs = cheap terminals

by rdd＠smart.net

An idea for who use classic computers: since we usually require plenty of terminals to attach to our classic computers, those compact Apple Macs, such as the 512K or SE, found in more plentiful supply than terminals at hamfests, have one very good use: use them as terminals running terminal emulation software. While other microcomptuers such as IBM type toy PCs are also useful as terminals for computers, the old Macintoshes consume less electicity. -- R. D. Davis rdd(a)perqlogic.com http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd 410-744-4900

24 years, 1 month

Old Macs = cheap terminals

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 8, R. D. Davis wrote: > An idea for who use classic computers: since we usually require plenty > of terminals to attach to our classic computers, those compact Apple > Macs, such as the 512K or SE, found in more plentiful supply than > terminals at hamfests, have one very good use: use them as terminals > running terminal emulation software. While other microcomptuers such > as IBM type toy PCs are also useful as terminals for computers, the > old Macintoshes consume less electicity. I second this. There are several VERY high-quality terminal emulators available for Macs. That same Mac can also sit on the ethernet for lan access as well (for the later NuBus machines, that is)... -Dave McGuire

24 years, 1 month

OT: Archiving data/video/movies/photos/oral history

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:16:50 -0400 (EDT) William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> writes: > Real men use the original dynamotors. Here, here. Vibra-paks are for wussies :^). > And these days, those hams that modify Command Sets are often found > with thier mouths filled with cement. It's just as well, he wouldn't be able to make much use of his ARC-5 transmitter on the air in un-modified condition. <dons flame suit> I do recall an article from '73 magazine in the early 50's, that told you how to chop up an ARC-5 transmitter to turn it into a VFO. IIRC, you chop the chassis off at the oscillator coils. . . . :^) Jeff Kaneko KH6JJN ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

24 years, 1 month

OT: Archiving data/video/movies/photos/oral history

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>This is the crux of the matter. The plastics used in consumer devices are >junk, and many times the implementation is done with little thought to >durability, only cost. Sometimes plastics are used in very interesting ways. I remember one Sony Walkman-style tape transport from the 1980's, where there were *zero* metal screws in it. The entire assembly was snap-together plastic. Cheap? Absolutely! But design-wise, very interesting. Tim.

24 years, 1 month

Perverted DOS idea

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Cameron: There are several sources for this info. Look for Ralf Brown. He made an "interrupt list" which is just a list of *all* interrupts. Mike Podanofsky wrote RxDOS, a DOS clone for the book "Dissecting DOS" from Addison-Wellsley. His company is API Software in New Hampshire. Try http://www.freedos.org/files/distributions/rxdos/ for a code distribution. The documentation and comments are excellent. -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Kaiser [mailto:ckaiser@oa.ptloma.edu] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:17 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Perverted DOS idea ::> How little memory could you run something like, say, DOS 3.3 in? All I ::> would be supporting is a basic command set like COMMAND.COM, EDLIN, DEBUG, ::> maybe XCOPY, etc. And are the INTs documented anywhere? :: ::I'd guess 128k and certainly in 256k. the Command.com itself is some 27k ::or 33k alone. That was the thing I was worried about. Maybe I'll write Command.com natively instead. Someone suggested emulation from disk, and that's exactly how I was thinking of doing it. Where can I find a list of INTs DOS uses? I checked a couple of bookstores but most of them aren't too helpful with low-level DOS. -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)ptloma.edu -- UBAX vs lbh ybir EBG-13 ----------------------------------------------------

24 years, 1 month

Removing soldered components

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

At my last job I had the luck to have access to a real/live solder sucker component remover. I found it on the top shelf of the electronics lab and fired it up. The rig was a small vacuum pump with a long hose attached to it, allowing the heated air to cool somewhat, with a glass tip. The glass tip was filled with some kind of mesh filter where the solder that was removed could cling. These little solder filters were replaceable. This glass tip was attached to a soldering iron. The vacuum pump was controlled by a foot switch. It took some trial and error to use the system. It takes some eye-hand coordination to operate this system. Don't try after 1-2 beers. I also need longer arms because my vision is extending. Works well for small number of components, not very production oriented. The whole system is probably still in the lab and hasn't been used since I left. "Solder sucker component remover" (TM) Mike "I'm waiting for all of my current memory to disappear and them I can live in the past."

24 years, 1 month

The more I like my VAX, the more I hate Compaq...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> EDT *is* a line editor, until you (or your init file) type > CHANGE that is. I count four different editors hiding inside EDT: > > 1. Original non-keypad change mode (from EDT V1), annoying modal thing > like "vi" but of course totally different (SET CHANGE NOKEYPAD gets you > this IIRC). > 2. Line mode, when you haven't typed CHANGE yet. > 3. CHANGE mode on a VT100 etc. (what we're all used to) > 4. CHANGE mode on a hardcopy terminal. Bizarre! > > Are there more? > > >but the best thing to do > >with SOS (other than not use it) is pretend it's the old Micro$oft BASIC > >line editor. At least, that's how _I_ learned to use it, having come from > >the TRS-80 Model I and found myself dropped on a VAX. > > Boy it's been a while, I remember thinking SOS was very much > like the TRS-80 Model II EDTASM. Close enough! Other way around; SOS was first (on DEC-10). I got so accustomed to it that I copied Alan Miller's 8080 version into an extension of the old Processor Technology Software #1 (also known as SCS- Self Contained System), and later implemented it in PL/1 as part of a custom command environment for the primos operating system at revisions 17 and 18 (Prime later added its own command-line editing). I have the 8080 code for what I called 'SCSNEW' (it has a ram-based file system, cassette I/O, hooks into SOLOS for P-Tech SOL owners), code to drive an IMSAI UCRI tape board, debugger, and god-knows-what else I dumped into it and forgot about. The source was set up for Intel's Mac80 cross-assembler. You'd need to make a few changes to it for other assemblers. If anyone's interested in it, let me know... -doug q

24 years, 1 month

Need DEC MMJ stuffs

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Anybody know where I can get a quantity (<10) of DEC MMJ-to-MMJ cables (for hooking a VT320/420 to a MicroVAX / VAXstation) and some MMJ-to-DB25F / DB25M adapters? I tried contacting Tim Shoppa, but his zShops stuff wont let me order the adapters and he hasnt responded to multiple emails.... Thanks. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill(a)sunhelp.org | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+

24 years, 1 month

VCF Link Contest

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

I've got some automated test tools available that could make this a shoe in. Naw... I wouldn't do that. :-) Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 3:15 PM > To: Classic Computers Mailing List > Subject: VCF Link Contest > > > > I'm running a contest on the VCF website right now. If you > add a link to > your website pointing to the VCF and you garner the most > referals between > now and VCF 4.0, you'll win $50! > > Check out http://www.vintage.org/contests/link.html for > complete details. > > Sellam International Man of > Intrigue and Danger > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > Coming soon: VCF 4.0! > VCF East: Planning in Progress > See http://www.vintage.org for details! > >

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