test-drb May 2000

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by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Irregardless, IBM paid Microsoft to develop OS/2... there's even a real MS-branded OS/2, but they sold it for less than a year, so its a bit less than common... amusingly, LAN Manager REQUIRES OS/2 to run, and MS kept selling LAN Manager for a good amount of time after they canned OS/2... Almost everyone under the sun had their own little branded LAN Manager version once, such as 3Com, DEC, IBM, etc. Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

24 years, 7 months

Items for trade

by rdd＠smart.net

Is anyone interested in trading a pair of what appear to be two 256K Unibus memory boards, made by National Semiconductor Memory Systems (these boards have four rows of thirty-two 4164-15 ICs on them), for two of the following: - DEUNA for a PDP-11 - RS232 interface for a PDP-8/e - TK50 Q-bus controller - some other board I don't have and can use - or... will trade both memory boards for one Q-bus 32-bit SCSI interface. Other things available: Emulex Performance 4000 terminal server; has a short in it somewhere. Either fix it and get a working server, or, turn it back in to Emulex and for just a couple of hundred bucks, get a reconditioned working server! (this was the case the last time I contacted Emulex) Make me an offer. Sun Field Engineers Handbooks: like new condition for the newer (not very newest) SPARC machines... these don't go back to the older Sun 4 and Sun 3 systems, which I need the handbooks for. Some sort of ethernet board for a QMS printer, marked as: QMS DTRBD, ETHRNT, 16BIT, CROWN, 2293117. The box it came in has "Appletalk for QMS860" written on it, but documentation in the box says "QMS UNIX Host Software." The following I'd prefer to trade locally (Baltimore area): An IBM 4701-1 bank branch controller system; comes with three small Geac terminals (sans keyboards!) and some other sort of interface units, cables, etc. Interesting looking toy for those into IBM stuff, and includes documentation (a book inside the cabinet!). I'll bet that with some hacking, this could be made into some sort of dedicated controller of some sort for an application not requiring much CPU speed or memory. Fascinating looking bus, boards, etc. Contains an 8" floppy drive. Things I'm looking for: - anything DEC-related (could use a cabinet tell enough to put an 11/44 CPU and four RL02 drives in) - PDP-8/e boards (esp. hard drive or RS232 interface) and an additional backplane - ULTRIX 4.2 installation media to replace the now missing /usr directory on my Decstation - OS for a MIPS Magnum 3000 on a cartridge tape, as well as any documentation for this system - Data General system running 16-bit AOS/VS, preferable something small like an MV-2,000/4,000 (I want to see "Nothing happens." in response to XYZZY, not "Twice as much happens.") -- R. D. Davis rdd(a)perqlogic.com http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd 410-744-4900

24 years, 7 months

Get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? [Was: Re: Notes on repairing the Apple Lisa power supply]

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Heh, I've been considering turning this 8650 hulk I know of into a VAXshelf... It'd be a great bookshelf for my gray wall ;p FYI, before the flames start, the cpu boards are 1) not in the machine, and 2) broken. I know this cuz I dug them out of a nasty container of junk at the scrap yard :( But at least the 8650 wouldn't take much juice to run, at least not compared to my 4381... Takes much less sans power supplies though! Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

24 years, 7 months

OFF TOPIC: Cool Hack

by jpl15＠netcom.com

I might as well slither onto the OT Bandwagon... I submitted a design some years back (which was shelved... snif snif) for an array of LEDs to be affixed to the blades of a typical ceiling fan. These would get thier power and signals from induction coils on the frame of said fan, and would provide kewl displays as the fan turned (in the dark especially). I made a single-array prototype... it worked fine. The company just didn't market it... o well. ON TOPIC: I also went to VCFE (I guess Sellam forgot that part... ) and took several dozen pictures. I am uploading them to Hans Franke, and he will put them on the Website for public viewing. Kudos and Hats Off to Hans, Sellam, Phillip Belben, John Zabolitski, and all the others who worked thier _____es off to make it a success. Cheers John

24 years, 7 months

Digital Millennium Copyright Act - what does it mean for us?

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

No ethical dilema here! I don't feel bad about posting this stuff at all because (1) the equipment isn't being sold any more, (2) the docs have been left to rot by the original owner and (3) the docs are too valuable to the vintage computing community to not make them available. I just think that some of the free-wheeling underpinnings of the Internet were taken out back and shot and buried in the end zone next to Hoffa. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Vintage Computer GAWD! [mailto:foo@siconic.com] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 1:29 PM To: 'ClassCompList' Subject: Re: Digital Millennium Copyright Act - what does it mean for us? On Thu, 11 May 2000, Cini, Richard wrote: > How do we protect ourselves? My plan, frankly, is to continue with > my efforts until someone tells me to stop. I say tally ho old chap. That's probably the best course of action. Just post the material to at least make it useful until which time you are explicitly told by the copyright holder to remove it. The worst they can do is ask you to remove it (cease and desist). Might as well keep this stuff alive as long as there is a need for it and as long as the original copyright holder has no plans for it. As long as the original copyright holder is no longer marketing it and it's not being sold for a profit then I don't see an ethical dilemma. Sellam

24 years, 7 months

Notes on repairing the Apple Lisa power supply

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

> FWIW I usually use an old disk drive. It's very handy since many > computers already have a power connector that will plug > directly onto the > drive and it provides a load to both the +12 and +5 volt > power supplies. > Joe, Aren't you afraid of damaging the disk drive by doing that? Just kidding... ;-) Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

24 years, 7 months

Get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? [Was: Re: N otes on repa...

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

> Anyone who reads this list on even a semi-regular basis knows > that Mr. Rigdon > is well aware of what a short is. Why the put-down? Do you > think that you > are conducting a high-school electric shop class and talking > to a bunch of > eighth-graders? > Personally, I have never received anything from Joe Rigdon > except help when I needed it, which is more than I can say of you. I too have received considerable help from Joe and consider him to be *extremely* competent. Changing the PS in a Lisa is not exactly "Rocket Science" although he *does* have experience in that arena as well ;-) Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

24 years, 7 months

MCA Ethernet Cards

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 5/26/00 1:31:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dlinder(a)uiuc.edu writes: > I have recently stumbled on large stash of MicroChannel Ethernet Cards. > I'm thinking of taking the whole bunch (brother & I have a large ps/2 > colelction), but would have leftovers for all to partake in. I heard > these are generally hard to find, so let me know if you're interested. > > Ah yes, if I remember, they're various makes & models. keep a lookout for cabletron and 3com 3c509 models. you will have the least compatibility problems with those two NICs and they even work in os/2 most MCA T/R NICs will have a 16/4 sticker on them which is a dead giveaway for token ring. DB Young -> MCA and OS/2 user and enthusiast hurry, hurry, step right up! see the computers you used as a kid! http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm

24 years, 7 months

MCA Ethernet Cards

by dlinder＠uiuc.edu

All: I have recently stumbled on large stash of MicroChannel Ethernet Cards. I'm thinking of taking the whole bunch (brother & I have a large ps/2 colelction), but would have leftovers for all to partake in. I heard these are generally hard to find, so let me know if you're interested. Ah yes, if I remember, they're various makes & models. ttfn - Dan Linder / dlinder(a)uiuc.edu / upside(a)mcs.net - - Riot sounds start riots. / keep talking... -

24 years, 7 months

Get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? [Was: Re:Notes on repairing the Apple Lisa power supply]

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

-----Original Message----- From: R. D. Davis <rdd(a)smart.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, May 25, 2000 4:57 PM Subject: Re: Get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? [Was: Re:Notes on repairing the Apple Lisa power supply] <snip> > >Not always. E.g., a device like a PSU that was working, and is then >moved, can have a bit of metal, solder, etc. come lose and short >something out. > I'll concede this point if you're moving it across the country, where careless shippers can bang it around and jar something loose. But when moving it across the room from one system to another, I'd say the chances of a catastrophic failure are small. >Yes, right... fry that system and then sell it on e-bay, that's ok, >because it will still bring a high price, so who cares whether it >works, right? Turn the monitors into fishbowls, remove core memory >and sell it in a picture frame, because, who cares if these are used >again since they can bring big bucks on e-bay. > You're missing the points I was trying to make. Firstly, Lisas are relatively common; thousands were built and thousands survive. It's not like we were talking about, say, an Apple I, where only 600-odd were made, and only a couple of hundred survive. The stakes in using slightly risky trouble-shooting techniques to fix a Lisa are low. Secondly, I care a lot about whether old computers work. Most of the 60+ systems in my collection work, and I'm always trying to find parts and information to fix the ones that don't. But I accept the reality that sometimes old computers die, and get used as donors to fix others. And I was trying to point out that since Lisa's fetch very high prices these days, Joe could even recover some of his investment even in the worst case scenario. The idea of accidentally blowing up a Lisa seems to bother you a lot. If you want to save every single remaining classic computer that exists, you're going to need a bigger apartment / house / warehouse / city to live in, because you're going to need a _lot_ of room. Finally, I think you need to remember that if you've never met someone, and know nothing about them, it's rude to make assumptions about or disparage their intelligence, character, or attitudes. Even in e-mail. And that's my final word on the matter Mark.

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