> The lack of so-called "vulgar" language in one's vocabulary demonstrates a
> fundamental lack of maturity.
I would say that depends very heavily upon one's definition of the word
"mature". I can report, without regret, that I'm unlikely ever to be
"mature" by that definition - and I was born in 1962.
(I will admit the caveat that a fear of using "vulgar" language, in the
*very rare* situations where it really is appropriate, is also not
necessarily healthy.)
- Mark
If you want to lose one of those 11/2s, please get in touch!
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerome Fine <jhfine(a)idirect.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Another PDP-11 available: Wisconsin
>>ajp166 wrote:
>
>> On the other hand the posting was rather strong. There is nothing
>> wrong with an 11/2. True an 11/23 has more oomph and all but an
>> 11/2 is configurable as a very nice small machine. Paying 100$
>> for one is questionable in my mind on because they were so
>> common (over 100,000 cpu boards made). I have a few.
>
>Jerome Fine replies:
>
>I have a few as well - and if I can ever find someone to actually use
>them, they will go for free. I can't ever remember actually using
>one although I might have attempted to test one just to see if
>it would work - in hindsight, I don't know why since I never
>had any intention of getting by with just RT11FB in RT-11.
>Actually, I have both versions - dual and quad.
>
>This is not a slight on those who like hardware far more than
>I do, just my own opinion - which I believe I stated at the beginning.
>The key point is that when testing software, the emulator is so
>much faster that it runs rings around the real hardware. PLUS -
>and this is a VERY BIG PLUS - I had occasion to attempt
>to debug (or at least understand) the boot code for a stand alone
>program. Try stepping through the boot block of an RX02 on
>a real PDP-11. With the emulator and even rudimentary
>[Thank goodness for the spell checker!!] debugging facilities
>(only one break point address - but at least single step was
>enabled), it was trivial - after all, there was only a single block
>of code to debug.
>
>In fact, I very much admire someone who can rescue an 11/44
>from the scrap heap. But I do not know how and I am too busy
>in any case. And my back is no longer strong enough.
>
>Sincerely yours,
>
>Jerome Fine
Speaking of ebay: here is a $700 commodore 64 with the reserve not met
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=454431985
Francois
-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Cherry <ncherry(a)home.net>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: Moving a Microvax II
>Will Jennings wrote:
>>
>> Haha, ah yes... gotta love Virgil Rice.. I bought something from him once
>> and even though I picked it up from his house, he still wanted me to pay
>> like 30 bucks shipping.. He has lots of cool stuff that I'd love to buy,
but
>> not at the kind of prices he wants for it.. It would be far less
irritating
>> were he not only about 40 minutes from me... He has an HP 21MX that I've
>> drooled over but he wanted like 700 dollars for it... Hell, he wanted 200
>> bucks apiece just for empty HP racks... Sorry for the rant, but people
who
>> would rather throw stuff out because they can't get what they think its
>> "worth" truly irritate me... I'm not asking people to give everything
away,
>> just to be reasonable about negotiating...
>
>I'm not getting it from Virgil, I'm getting it from someone else (I let
them
>chime in if they so choose :-). I'm getting it at what I consider a fair
>price and I'm not paying shipping (but I will be paying tolls, I think).
>
>As far as the rant, that's OK, I've noticed a few people on ebay failing
>to understand the true value of various computer equipment. Note to those
>who wish put stuff on ebay:
>
>1) If it's heavy you're in trouble unless it's really rare (not like
> a steak :-).
>2) Reserves are a pain, I've seen lots of stuff get ignored because
> of reserves. Heck I've even bid on equipment only to discover I
> couldn't go above the reserve.
>3) Try to get a picture and if you do get a clear one.
>4) If I can buy the same device used for around the same price, I'll
> ignore the item.
>
>I have more rants but I can't remember them all.
>
>--
>Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)home.net
>http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only)
>http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics)
>http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)
From: Daniel T. Burrows <dburrows(a)netpath.net>
>Also some of the 12v UPS's will not start from just battery. They have
to
>"fail over to battery" I do have a 1KVA Triplite that is 12V and does
start
>from just battery. So keep your eyes open for those.
>>"Shawn T. Rutledge" wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 05:25:23AM -0800, Mike Ford wrote:
>>> > I have some 48-57 vdc input, otherwise PC normal output power
supplies
>for
>>> > about $5 each. Ask now if anybody wants some, basically I "think"
new
>units
This is something I'd like to get a few of. I have one CP/M system I've
built that runs from battery/solar but I'd like to find some power
supplies
for 12v to +5/+12/-12 for more hacking.
Allison
From: Geoffrey G. Rochat <geoff(a)pkworks.com>
>If you want to lose one of those 11/2s, please get in touch!
Is that for me or Jerome?
If I have a spare I can arrage to give one away. I'd have to check
as Qbus stuff I like to keep spares of.
Allison
> Looking for information about a Compaq Deskpro 286. I have two of
> them. Would like to know some specs, how to get into the BIOS, etc.
When painted gray (any shade you choose), they make an excellent
anchor for the bass boat, although the bass (and EPA) may disagree...
;-)
-dq
Hi,
Does anyone have ANYTHING on this processor? Development tools,
documentations, datasheets, etc? It is the coprocessor on the Inmos IMSB420
Vector Processing TRAM.
Thanks,
Ram
From: Jerome Fine <jhfine(a)idirect.com>
>>Dave McGuire wrote:
>
>> There's nothing anyone here can say that would convince me that this
>> message is anything but a very enthusiastic and rather caustic TROLL.
>
>Jerome Fine replies:
>
>Thank you for the compliment - was it? What does TROLL stand for.
>If you are going to pay me a compliment, at least have the courtesy
>of explaining it. Thank you.
>
>Sincerely yours,
>
>Jerome Fine
Troll, funny little doll with a stupid grin and as a character in
strories
known for propensity to start or fan trouble into a really big fire.
Not a compliment. Usually reserved for those that hit a group
causing a flash fire and running.
On the other hand the posting was rather strong. There is nothing
wrong with an 11/2. True an 11/23 has more oomph and all but an
11/2 is configurable as a very nice small machine. Paying 100$
for one is questionable in my mind on because they were so
common (over 100,000 cpu boards made). I have a few.
Allison
Haha, ah yes... gotta love Virgil Rice.. I bought something from him once
and even though I picked it up from his house, he still wanted me to pay
like 30 bucks shipping.. He has lots of cool stuff that I'd love to buy, but
not at the kind of prices he wants for it.. It would be far less irritating
were he not only about 40 minutes from me... He has an HP 21MX that I've
drooled over but he wanted like 700 dollars for it... Hell, he wanted 200
bucks apiece just for empty HP racks... Sorry for the rant, but people who
would rather throw stuff out because they can't get what they think its
"worth" truly irritate me... I'm not asking people to give everything away,
just to be reasonable about negotiating...
Will J
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Only a few UPS's use 12 volts. Many use 36 or 48 volts. Then you get into
the 3KVA units that have 96 volt bank of batteries. The real nice 10+KVA
boxes have 180 to 300V battery banks. Some day I will get a new battery
bank for my 10 KVA box for the office. In the meantime I make do with a few
1 to 3 KVA boxes.
Also some of the 12v UPS's will not start from just battery. They have to
"fail over to battery" I do have a 1KVA Triplite that is 12V and does start
>from just battery. So keep your eyes open for those.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: 48v dc power
>Why not buy a "dead" UPS that can over the wattage of your system and
>install a 12V in plug on the back. Most of these use a 12V DC input and
>provide acceptable power on the output. Its cheaper than simply buying a
>12V -> 120V inverter @600Watts or so.
>
>--Chuck
>
>
>"Shawn T. Rutledge" wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 05:25:23AM -0800, Mike Ford wrote:
>> > I have some 48-57 vdc input, otherwise PC normal output power supplies
for
>> > about $5 each. Ask now if anybody wants some, basically I "think" new
units
>>
>> What I could really use is a couple of 12V input supplies. I want to
>> put a PC in the car and also run a couple of servers from a battery/
>> solar panel system. I know they are available new for $120ish if memory
>> serves but they shouldn't have to cost so much.
>>
>> --
>> _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD
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