Joe Rigdon quoted someone (probably Jim Willing) as having written:
>>On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Joe wrote:
>>
>>> What is it? I've never heard of one before. It looks kind of like a Lisa
>>> but has an attched keyboard and two 8" floppy drives. See
>>> "http://205.217.140.132/pcmuseum/default_page2.htm". This is one of the
>>> things from the guy that wants to sell his entire $25K collection.
>>
>>Its commonly referred to as the System/23 "DataMaster".
>
> Ah! OK now I know what it is.
I'm not convinced that it is a Datamaster. The screen is too small, and the
screen bezel the wrong shape; the trim is the wrong colour (ok, maybe it's a BW
photo, but the trim on a System/23 isn't usually that dark that I know of).
And, as I said, System/23 is 5322, not 5051 or any of the other model numbers
we've been seeing here :-)
Joe also wrote:
> Geez, that idiot can't even get the model numbers right!
>
> Joe
>
>
> At 08:03 PM 7/15/99 -0700, Rueben wrote:
>
>>5051 Try 5020:
>>
>>http://www.gazetteonline.com/money/monp263.htm
>>http://gallery.uunet.be/Christophe.Daeninck/cc06.htm
>>
Well, the model number at the first URL (Thanks Reuben) is 5120 - so which is
correct?
I agree that the "5051" looks very like a "5120" - far more than it looks like a
Datamaster.
So perhaps it is a 5110 derivative...
Philip.
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>> Dallas Hinton is still trying to give away his 11/60. If you know of
>> anyone then it'd be nice to save it from the crusher...
>
>A shame - probably the rarest of the production PDP-11s.
I'd take it if I had a way to transport it and a place to put it...
It is a somewhat significant machine... I think it was the second
-11 to have a WCS (Writable Control Store)... the 11/03 had it as
an option.
Someone please save this machine...
Megan Gentry
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)netwiz.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 11:55 AM
Subject: Old video collectors?
>>> > >In fact, this is also why I don't like VHS - maybe good
>>> > >enough compared to a noisy aired NTSC source, but just
>>> > >crap, compared to an U-Max or V2000 (I still use V2000
>
>Since this conversation has wandered in every other direction I thought I
>would drop this info for consideration. The same place that has the HP
>3000/series 950 about to head to the metal scrappers for lack of interest
>has a fairly complete Umatic video editing rig (pair of decks, a couple
>consoles, and 3 or so small monitors). Not too far from Disneyland in
>SoCal, bring truck and a couple hundered bucks and maybe he will throw in
>the effects boxes etc. Tripods and lights are gone already though.
>
>BTW I think the brand on one of the decks is Umax.
>
>
>
From: Bill Sudbrink <bill(a)chipware.com>
>> > Attached to that was an OSI 630 and attached to that was
>> > an OSI A15.....
>>
>> Looking for docs on the 630... I've never seen one.
>
>By the way, if you could provide a closeup of the 630,
>it would help.
OK Bill... I added two more pictures to
http://users.leading.net/~dogas/osi.html
one shows how the 600, 630, and a15 went together. the other is a bigger
(right side up) pic of the 630..
Hey, thanks for all that info... Have any docs for the Superboard II???
Thanks again!
- Mike
Hi all,
I've got a few Ohio Scientific pieces and would like to know what I have and
also what I'm missing.
( pictures at: http://users.leading.net/~dogas/osi.html )
The first computer is a c4p. it has a keyboard, power, i/o board (with some
db9 and db25 and 3 sockets) and something like a backplane (no cards) bus
board... Please check out the page above.
The second computer(?) is a OSI 600 cpu with keyboard onboard. Attached to
that was an OSI 630 and attached to that was an OSI A15.....
OK, where can I go from here?
Thanks
- Mike: dogas(a)leading.net
Does anyone have any Programs for the Model III on disk That they would
either want to sell or cold email me a copy (teledisk)? I have some various
old PC and a few old Mac programs that I'd be willing to trade (either
through email or snail mail -email me for a list of what I have, or I could
post it to the list).
I'm mainly looking for word processing/spreadsheet software and maybe some
games.
ThAnX,
-Jason
U.K. ListMembers behold:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: 16 Jul 1999 10:47:42 GMT
From: Tim Deegan <tjd21(a)cus.cam.ac.uk>
To: Info-PDP11(a)transarc.com
Subject: Disk bits (Cambridge, UK)
Due to running out of space, I have to get rid of some bulky PDP bits,
specifically two disks:
One labelled RA80 on the front (and H7660D on the back)
One labelled RL01-A on the side.
I have no idea whether they work or not, as I have no controller cards
for them, but I hope they might be some use to someone. Anyone who
can collect from Cambridge (the one in England!) is welcome to them.
Tim D.
> True. I thinking one thing and meaning another. What I meant to say was
> that the 640 pixels (or whatever) compared very unfavourably with the
> umber of 'pixels' on a 35mm frame. And that a medium format frame would
> have even more pixels.
Fair enough.
> The cost of a reasonable 'consumer grade' digital camera is approaching
> the cost of a second-hand medium format film camera (of a good make). I
> know which will produce better images. I also realise the advantages of
> digital cameras.
Exactly. I would say it is possible to get a good secondhand medium format
camera for less than the price of all but the yuckiest digital jobs. It depends
what you want to do with it (sometimes I wish I could afford both).
>> I think there are two independent viewpoints here. If you are taking
pictures
>
> True enough. As I _don't_ have a graphics display on my main computer,
> and as I use a text-based browser, I sometimes wonder about the _need_
> for digitial images on wab pages, but anyway....
Well, is there a _need_ for web pages at all? Digital images on web pages can
be useful, as Sam pointed out. And digital images - of whatever sort - for
display on a computer screen, don't need as much detail as those you would make
int oreally nice prints.
> If I ever try digital photography, it would be as a way to produce
> digital image files for subsequent digital processing and printing. Not
> for display on a normal resolution display.
Yes, I intend to try that, too. Even there there is a use for the sort of
images you get on a cheap digital camera - as a relatively small part of a
montage, for example.
>> On the subject of lines per mm, what is the resolution of a typical ccd per
mm
>> _at the surface of the chip_?
>
> Hmmm... Off the top of my head, perhaps 500 (or more likely 512, but
> anyway) pixels in 1cm (so 50/mm) would be considered reasonable
I would have guessed at more than that - I thought these 1.3 megapixel ccds
(presumably 1280*1024) were quite small - not much bigger than say a 4Mbit RAM
chip die...
Philip.
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Header says it all...
Anyone got an RK-05 OMNIbus (PDP-8/e/f/m) controller board set that they
could be parted from?
-jim
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On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 William Donzelli wrote:
> Another thing found in service manuals are the tricks that allow
> technicians and engineers to crack passwords and use backdoors. Imagine
> the fun a company would have trying to patch a PR disaster because some
> high school kid keeps fooling around with spanning trees and access lists
> on switches and routers, with techniques available in the back of a manual.
I guess that only applies to a relatively small proportion of all products out
there (that is, networking-related).
> There is a lot of sensitive information in these service manuals that can
> really hurt a company if it falls into the wrong hands. The easiest
> solution, and probably the best as well, is to restrict the manuals.
> ...
> No. Companies simply do not care about "non-official" service agents
> anymore because there are not that many of them to worry about, and the
> companies can always clobber these "non-officials" on replacement parts
> costs, technical support, and the continuation of warranties.
One thing I would like, is for companies to make (internal) service manuals &
possibly other info too, available for old & obsolete products which they do
not support any more.
After five years say, the company may not even be supporting the product at all
(i.e. not providing a repair service), so I can't see how releasing the info
could harm them.
Though the proportion of people interested in this info would be small, I'm
sure some good publicity spin could be given to doing this. And it needn't be
expensive at all; just converting the documentation to PDF format (or scanning
it if only paper copies are available) and putting it on a web page would be
enough.
Does anyone know of any companies that have done something like this?
-- Mark
