Hi,
All of the stuff as of today, thursday 7/22, is all sold. Thanks for your
quick response. I will be away for two weeks, and will unsubscribe from
the list for that time.
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
http://scivault.hypermart.net: Ignorance is Impotence - Knowledge is Power
>>
>> Yes that us true. The T801 had several additional "features" compared to
>> the T805, but instruction wise, it didn't have any of the debugging
>> instructions
>> (plus some additional operators). The T801 was an experimental piece as
far
>
>Were they ever shipped? I know _I've_ got a couple somewhere, but then I
>have some odd Transputer stuff....
Yes they were shipped and ran very well.
They were an updated version of the basic T800 with as you say an
optimised for static ram memory interface ie demultiplexed.
>
>>
>> as I am concerned. The T805 is the top-of-the-line "classic" transputer.
>> And
>> I dont consider the T801 as classic.
>
>Oh, come on. It's closely related to the T800 - the main difference is
>the memory interface. Same link spec, same-ish instruction set, etc.
Is it not identical software wise ?
Mine are....or seem to be ;-)
>
>I can understand not calling the T9000 a 'classic Transputer' -- it's
>very different to the T2/T4/T8 range. But the T801? No, I have to group
>that one with the other T8's
>
>-tony
The T9 is maybe not a classic Transputer but the ones that work run
ok !
Using a little board (size 2) on a B008 you can get em to talk to
"classic" Trannies
Kenny
>
>
What irritates me is that I, who have practiced in this industry for many
years as an outgrowth of my hobby, which this was until about twenty years
ago, since most of my earnings were in a different engineering discipline up
to that time, recognize the skinflint syndrome among hobbyists more than I
ever did before.
Those same individuals who lament that vendors won't "document" their
products enough to allow their repair (long after their projected economic
life, measured in seconds, not years, has ended twice over) because they
(these hobbyists) have no respect for the intellectual property rights of
equipment and software vendors, to wit, they use software they "borrowed"
and never buy even their most frequently used software tools claiming that
"better" stuff is "free" by which they mean it didn't cost THEM anything.
They make excuse after excuse for not parting with a dime, yet see it
perfectly satisfactory to spend a man-year avoiding an expenditure not much
larger than the price of a common lunch on hardware or software. While it's
their choice about how they spend their time, if they valued their time
because it was of economic value, they'd better understand the situation.
The fact is, not everyone wishes to run old and obsolete hardware/software
exclusively, and not everyone is, therefore, in the position that they have
to fix something because they can't buy one. That's what thrift stores are
for, or even used computer gadget stores.
There's no benefit in delaying one's use, for enjoyment or exploitation, of
a given piece of equipment just because it costs half a dollar to buy what
might take only a year to fix.
In cases where my objective is to use something, I don't spend a year fixing
a part if a half hour's wages will buy a replacement.
Just to let you know my heart's in the right place, though, I've spent
dozens, if not hundreds of hours fixing those 8" floppy drives I'm
essentially giving away for the cost of freight.
Nevertheless, I believe that more often than not, penny-wise is
pound-foolish.
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenatacme(a)aol.com <Glenatacme(a)aol.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: Sun Monitor (UK) (2)
>In a message dated 7/20/99 9:58:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
edick(a)idcomm.com
>writes:
>
>> What the computer industry is about is MAKING MONEY. It's good that
there
>> are some people working in the industry who realize that it's about
GETTING
>> PAID, and not so much about having fun.
>
>For those of us who are both computer professionals and hobbyists the trick
>is making enough money to be able to have fun with our hobby ;>)
>
>Glen Goodwin
>0/0
I have some of the data/notes on this card but no s/ware as yet.
My first experiences with transputers was designing and building
a T222 board with 64K (wow) and a Z80 interface.
Hmmm I seem to remember I got it working but did not do a
fantastic amount with it.
Got a few T414's then started to play with designing for them
and Z80's, bit sad really.
I finally got a B430 to try and devlop a SCSI/Floppy/IDE interface
board. It sort of got sidelined.
Now I've got some T9's (working) some B108's and a T9 to "classic"
transputer interface board based on a C100. This should be fun.
Ram tells me that you have a B020 board, I also have one
unfortunately I don't have any data/drawings etc for it but you
do ;-) Is it possible for you to let me have a look at it ??
Kenny
>>
>> It is the GPIB library.
>> I have a B419 that I want to test as I don't know what
>
>As do I....
>
>> state it is in.
>> If/when I get a copy you will get one too.
>> Who is Tony ?
>
>'Tony' is almost certainly me. I've worked with transputers, have a
>number of TRAMs/motherboards, ISA cards, an ITEM, etc here.
>
>I spent 5 years at Bristol University working on homebrew (wirewrapped,
>by me) transputer systems. For this I get a piece of paper saying that
>I'm a particle physicsist :-). Since I worked mostly with bare chips, I
>must admit that I've not done that much with the standard TRAMs.
>
>-tony
>
>
Hey! I've got one of those old Burroughs Adding machines, but it's the type
with the printer. I bought it at a flea market for $1. Does anyone know
where to get a crank for one? Mine needs a crank (although right now a
vice-grip is working...)
ThAnX,
///--->>>
-Jason Willgruber
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#: 1730318
<http://members.tripod.com/general_1>
-----Original Message-----
From: Max Eskin <max82(a)surfree.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Sunday, July 18, 1999 2:05 PM
Subject: anyone want a Burroughs adding machine?
>Hi,
>I've got a Burroughs Class 5 adding machine here, which I am almost
>finished repairing. It has 10 drums of numbers, and 9 rows of buttons
>numbered from 1 to 9. One presses these buttons in order to add, and the
>result is shown on the drums. There is a picture at:
>
> http://www.teleport.com/~dgh/adddir.htm
>
>If anyone wants this thing, please tell me. It's not very heavy. Maybe you
>can show it off at your VCF, Sellam?
>
>--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
> http://scivault.hypermart.net: Ignorance is Impotence - Knowledge is
Power
>
>
It actually depends...
I have a computer cooked up (with a $45 video card) to a 25" color TV. It
works pretty good (from about 5-10 feet away.
///--->>>
-Jason Willgruber
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#: 1730318
<http://members.tripod.com/general_1>
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 3:21 PM
Subject: Computers using a TV as the display
>I happened to notice an advert in a UK newspaper today.
>
>Apparently some company (related to Tiny Computers I believe) is offering
>a free PC if you use them as your telephone company and make a certain
>value of calls in each of the first 12 months (the details are not
>important).
>
>However, in the small print it says something like (from memory)
>
>'The PC is not supplied with a monitor. However the necessary
>cables/connections to use your TV as a display are included'
>
>So it appears that using a TV as a computer display is alive and well in
>the UK. Mind you, IMHO trying to view Windows (and I am sure that's the
>OS that came with this machine) on the average TV screen would make it
>even more unpleasant than usual.
>
>-tony
>
>
Hi,
I decided to get rid of 90% of the 'classic' crud lying around my room,
since I never touch it anymore. Here is the first installment of stuff
which I will ship out to people for the price plus shipping.
Mac Portable w/backlit display and manuals; perfect condition -$10
1200 bps Hayes external modem for use with Macintosh (docs included)- just
shipping
Apple //c in working condition w/power brick and "Owner's Manual"- $5
Tandon 386 laptop in working condition but power supply is a bit flaky.
This is the first laptop to have suspend/resume function; has 1200 bps
modem; I also have another one which is dead, you can use it for
spare parts - $15
Data General serving tray from 1983 (has a timeline of DG's history with
some photos) - $3
Kensington System Saver for Apple ][ (the little fan that hooks on the
side) - $3
C-64 Koala Pad, with software (if I can find it) $3
Epson "APL Board" printer controller for Apple ][ - just shipping
Apple "I/O Controller" for Apple ][ - just shipping
Digital Research CP/M card w/manuals and disks for Apple ][ - $3
Apple "Language Card" - just shipping
Videx video card for Apple ][ - just shipping
QuadRam QuadBoard for PC/XT - just shipping
Hayes 1200 bps modem for ISA - just shipping
IBM CGA card for ISA - just shipping
ESDI Hard Disk Controller for MCA - just shipping
If nobody wants these, they will meet a fate crueller than death (think
desoldering tool :)
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
http://scivault.hypermart.net: Ignorance is Impotence - Knowledge is Power
It is the GPIB library.
I have a B419 that I want to test as I don't know what
state it is in.
If/when I get a copy you will get one too.
Who is Tony ?
What are you using to run/compile/edit the B020 CVC stuff ?
K
At 03:33 PM 7/21/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Kenny Innes wrote:
>
>> Transputer Software.
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a copy of the IMS F001B and/or
>> the IMS F003A libraries for the Transputer ??
>
>Hi Kenny,
>
>The IMS F003A will not work on the B020 (so I am told).
>It was never ported to the B020. The best thing to do is to use the
>CVC kit I gave you. What is the IMS F001 used for (is it the GPIB
>libraries or the ethernet libraries)? Well, anyway, shoot over a
>copy to me if you do find these as I know Tony would be anxious
>about these.
>
>Ram
>
>
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>
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>
>
<If I were you, I would buy one B008 motherboard, it holds 10 size 1
<TRAMS (transputer modules). Then, I would buy the IMSB426 size 1 trams
<which contains 4Megs per processor. The T805 is the top-of-the-line
<"classic" transputer (forget about the ST20450 and the T9000
<transputers,
<they were failures). This would give you plenty of space to play with.
<Of
<course you can fill up the whole motherboard with 10 size-1 trams
<(giving you 10 processors) or use size-2 trams which take up two slots
<in the motherboard. The T800 is an older fabrication of the T805 and
After much snippage...
Huh?
I'm not familiar with Transputers at all. for my interests one or two are
likely enough and even then.
Allison
