In a message dated 6/20/99 10:32:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com writes:
> The computers built by PARC were:
> ALTO - this was a prototype microcode loadable machine
> with CDC disk pack attached. Generally credited to
> be the machine that was running the software that
> inspired the Mac and later windows (Charles went to
> work for Microsoft from PARC)
> ALTO II - Was Xeroxes attempt to manufacture the Alto as a
> product. (they weren't very successful)
> DANDELION - Officialy the Xerox 8010 Workstation. Which ran
> a set of applications called "Star" or "The Star
> Document Processing System"
> DORADO - ECL version of the "D-machine" architecture that
> was the machine that ran Smalltalk really quickly.
>
> Both the Alto and the Dandelion also ran XDE (called "tahoe") which was the
> "Xerox Development Environment" and it ran on top of an operating system
> called "Pilot".
>
> This first-hand from the Network Services Architect for the Office Systems
> Business Unit in Palo Alto, who also happens to be my wife of nearly 16
> years.
Well, maybe my ex was wrong . . . again . . . ;>)
Glen Goodwin
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In a message dated 6/20/99 10:06:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rcini(a)email.msn.com writes:
> I just finished watching "Pirates of Silicon Valley" on TNT, an
> interesting interpretation of the dynamics between Apple and Microsoft from
> 1975 to 1997.
>
> Here's the question -- what was the name of the computer at Xerox that
> Steve Jobs "modeled" the Lisa/Mac after? Was it the Alto or the Star?
Definitely it was the Star. My ex worked at Xerox from '85 through '87.
Some details in "Pirates" were, um, a little "inaccurate," but they got one
thing right -- there were a lot of really pissed off people at Xerox when the
Apple GUI hit the streets.
Glen Goodwin
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Hello, all:
I just finished watching "Pirates of Silicon Valley" on TNT, an
interesting interpretation of the dynamics between Apple and Microsoft from
1975 to 1997.
Here's the question -- what was the name of the computer at Xerox that
Steve Jobs "modeled" the Lisa/Mac after? Was it the Alto or the Star?
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Hmmm, now this doesn't look particularly good.
I manually pushed the carriage to the right and it worked. (ie the pawl
re-engaged.) Then I typed for a while and then it stopped spacing in the
middle of the page. Manually push it one character space and it works again.
By observing the mechanism, I can see that there is one position of the
spacing ratchet that doesn't seem to allow for spacing. It could be a
broken tooth but I can't tell from looking at it from the side. Another
interesting tidbit is that when I hit "return" the carraige _stops_ at that
tooth, even if this means stopping mid page!
Now a damaged tooth could be used to explain the first behavior but not the
second I don't believe. The cardboard/spacer thing is still in there and it
doesn't seem to harm anything so I still can't tell if it is supposed to be
there or not.
I have a complete (but dirty) typing unit available as an organ donor if I
can deduce the cause of the trouble.
--Chuck
Spacing Ratchet shown on page 75, part number is 181077 for the gear at the
bottom of the spacing ratchet, it apparently attaches with two bolts, the
carraige stops when the feed pawl is lined up with one of the two bolt
heads on the top.
Hi Kevin,
At 17:52 19/06/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I got a few fun bits from the Milford Amateur Radio Club Hamfest today...
>Kevin
I have a question for you and the other EU subscriber (in future hopefully
will ask the same to U.S. subscriber):
What is the Bigger/Better HAMFEST relating to RETROCOMPUTING swap/trade in
your country?
Here in Italy I think is in PORDENONE (30/04 -> 02/05)
Is Friedrichshafen the biggest HAMFEST in Germany (or even the biggest in EU?)?
And what about France, England, Portugal, etc.?
I'm tryng to organize a "RETRO-EXPEDITION" from Italy to Friedrichshafen,
and would like to receive infos on this and other EU Hamfest.
Thanks .
Riccardo Romagnoli
<chemif(a)mbox.queen.it>
I-47100 Forl?
I'd spotted the rack Jim mentioned yesterday in my wanderings before he
posted about it here, and today I decided to go pick it up. Good thing I
did, as I was out in front of the store, pulling the drives out of it so it
would be easier to handle, I got to talking to this old guy. We got to
talking about old computers, and it turned out he had a card reader he
didn't want/need any more.
So I went over and picked it up. It's a nice small unit, that can easily
sit on top of a desk. The only problem is I'm not sure how to interface it
to anything. It was made by "Peripheral Dynamics Inc", and is a Model C302
manufactured in May of 1972.
I think you're supposed to interface it by plugging some sort of card into
a connector in the back of it. Unfortuantly he didn't know where the
manual is, or if he still has it. Does anyone know how to hook one of
these up to anything? Ideally I'd like to be able to attach it to a Unibus
system or a PC.
Zane
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I have available for the C64:
Micro Subtraction (Hayden) (Disk only)
Kids on Keys (Spinnaker)
10 Little Robots (no disk -- box & instr only)
Anyone want then for shipping and a couple of bucks?
P Manney
"...We must all give an account of ourselves to God."
Thousands of discounted photo items at http://www.hmcltd.net/pgphoto
Hello everyone, I'm bringing back to life a "LT33" (aka a DEC modified
ASR-33 teletype) and out of the gate I've got an issue.
When I switch on, into "local" mode, I get continuous "nul" typing. The
mechanism is doing the typing dance and its trying to type NUL. Where to
start? I've got the prints and am going to check out the keyboard area for
now, perhaps it has a clue.
I'm guessing it is either stuck in 'here is' mode, the keyboard is sending
infinite nuls, or something else :-)
--Chuck
From: "Merle K. Peirce" <at258(a)osfn.org>
<<My impression is that there probably are not all that many, and that the
first machines to exclude from such a list are the iMac grotesques. I would
offer just a very few for initial consideration:
Epson QX-10
Apricot
Honeywell DPS-6
Olivetti ETV-300
IBM PS/2 towers>>
These machines were all attractive computers and I like your idea about
discussing boxes just on good looks, but what's with this "grotesque" stuff
in reference to the iMac? I happen to think they look rather nice. Have you
ever seen a Lear Siegler ADM 5 terminal? I have one and it's cool. The iMac
looks a lot like it in terms of curves. Just because you don't particularly
like something doesn't mean it has to be "grotesque" or "gross" or some other
childish adjective. Best,
David Greelish
Classic Computing Press
www.classiccomputing.com
>> And don't forget the HP 200 LX with the Nokia cell phone that Simon used
>> in The Saint.
>That movie was horribly forgettable. I must've tuned it out at the point
>where he pulled this out.
I laughed all the way through the movie. The cold fusion secret tucked
into her underwear? Her cold fusion speech? Hilarious! And what's-his-name
doing the German guy? I was rolling on the floor!
Tim.
