An update on the Wang system I rescued from Certain Death.. I
found a good portion of the manuals today while on an un-related
mission to the warehouse. I was walking past 2-story-high pallet
racks full of boxes of paper files, and a Wang binder caught my
eye.. sure enough, what appears to be the operations documentation,
including much custom work by the sysop(s) was in an open box. I
now have it with the machine itself.
Anyone on (or off) the List who is interested in acquiring this
taken-out-of-service 7110 system... contact me via e-mail. It
seriously wants a loving home and some 220-1 ph to eat.
FREE FREE FREE
Cheers
John
>Anyone know the procedure? Can it be done? Do I need some special
>diagnostic program (do vaxes run XXDP?)
I forget if they can be formatted, but I do know that they can
be erased and scanned... but you need to have something which
speaks DU Protocol (DUP)... if you have a uVaxII or uVaxIII,
you have what you need...
You have to use one of the maintenance commands from the uVax
console...
One of the commands of the form
SET HOST/MAINT/UQSSP/SERVER n
where n is the number of the UQSSP port.
Once the DUP starts up, it will prompt for a command or
filename... type DIRECT and it will give you a listing
of what is available. Some drives have different numbers
of programs available, so try what looks obvious.
BTW - the DUP protocol is essentially a protocol which
causes the VAX and the KFQSA to exchange packets of text.
You type something, it is packetized and sent to the KFQSA
where it is passed to code running in the disk. The output
of that code is passed back to the VAX in a packet.
I don't know of anything else which speaks it (unless there
is something on the user test TK50 under MDM).
And it is a proprietary protocol, so I can't explain the
specifics.
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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Aye, I had the NeXT Cube and some other workstations on the list, as well a
whole list of proto-PDAs like the Newton MessagePad, Casio Zoomer, NCR 3125
PenPad, AT&T Eo, GridPad, but nuked 'em all since they're too new.
I love the NeXT Cube as much as the next techno freak, but once we start
down that road, suddenly we've got BeBoxes, 20th Anniversary Macintoshes,
Cassiopeia WinCE handhelds, Monorail PCs, the iMac, and pretty soon we're
buying "collectible" stuff new off the shelf at CompUSA.
About the newest thing on the list is the PS/2 80, and I had to think about
that for a while. I left it on, because it represents IBM's fall as the
dominant force in microcomputing.
Kai
-----Original Message-----
From: Zane H. Healy [mailto:healyzh@aracnet.com]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 7:01 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: Top 150 Collectible Microcomputers
>Hey, this is a great idea. Thanks, Kai!
>
>I'd add the NeXT cube to the list. For sheer sex appeal, little can beat
>a black magnesium cube.
YES, I'd not noticed that NeXT Hardware was totally missing from this list.
Although as a Workstation that might be intended. However, I personally
thing that both because of asthetics, and NeXTstep that at a very minimum
the NeXT Cube should be listed! Personally I think the whole line should
have at least a one line mention!
Zane
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>
> > I saw a hardcover book from 1957 at the used bookstore, that discussed
> > digital computer circuits, and had chapters on vacuum tube logic circuits,
> > corememory circuits, some transistor circuits, etc. If this is something
> > that someone here is dieing to have, perhaps because you're designing
> > a vacuum tube computer circuit, just let me know and i'll try to get it
> > before someone else does ;)
>
> In fact, my plan is to build a tube computer someday soon. What was the
> title of the book, and how much was it selling for?
>
Well, several people have asked about this book. Its "Digital Computer
components & circuits" by R. K. Richards, 1957, reprinted 1958. He says
its a companion book to his "arithmetic Operations in Digital Computers",
which the bookstore also has, but thats just a general boolean-logic type
of book.
Anyways, the used bookstore wants $15 for it. Perhaps I should see about
photocopying this.
chapters:
1 History & Introduction
2 Diode switching circuits
3 Vacuum tube systems of circuit logic
4 Transistor systems of circuit logic
5 magnetic core systems of circuit logic
6 Large capacity storage: non-magnetic devices
7 Storage on a magnetic surface
8 Magnetic core storage
9 Circuits and tubes for decimal counting
10 Miscellaneous components and circuits
11 Analog-to-digital and digital-to-analog converters
-Lawrence LeMay
<The previous mentioned article in Byte is "Coincident Current Ferrite Core
<Memories" and is in the July, 1976 Issue. It is very helpful. It describes
That's the one. Lost my copy (a whole xerox paper box of 3+years) two major
moves ago. A copy of that would be of some help. Finding patterns for
stringing the core plane is tough.
Allison
I'm sorry, I didn't this was a USA 'only' listserv. Excuse
me while I take my dirty foreign hands to remove myself from the list!
Great computers did and do exist outside of the USA.
Blue
PowerHouse consultant
Rhode Island, USA
Disclaimer:
The opinions and ideas expressed in this message are my own
and have no relationship to my current employer, Initial Technical Staffing,
its client CCI, or any of CCI's clients.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kai Kaltenbach
[mailto:kaikal@MICROSOFT.com]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 5:12 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic
computers
Subject: Top 150 Collectible
Microcomputers
Here's the first draft at a list of the Top
150 Collectible Microcomputers
(from the U.S.A.). I would have gone for
Top 100 but there are just too
many great machines, and 200 is too many.
It's currently at 133 items. Some related
models are combined as one, even
though they are rather different... other
similar models are kept separate.
This is basically just because I personally
feel they rate their own
separate listing, feel free to disagree.
Please add items! Items on the list should
meet the following categories:
1) Collectible Microcomputer (yes, I know
the H-11 is on here as an
"honorary" micro)
3) Sold in the USA
4) Available from a manufacturer (not just
plans in a magazine)
The list:
Altos 586
Altos ACS 8000
APF MP1000
Apple I
Apple II
Apple II+
Apple II+ Bell & Howell "Black Apple"
Apple IIc / IIc Plus
Apple IIe / IIe Platinum
Apple IIgs / IIgs Woz Limited Edition
Apple III
Apple III+
Apple Lisa / Macintosh XL
Apple Macintosh 128
Apple Macintosh 512K Through SE
Apple Macintosh Portable
AT&T Unix PC / 3B2 / 7300
Atari 400
Atari 800
Atari XL Series
Atari 520ST / 1040ST
Atari Portfolio
Byte Computers Byt-8
California Computer Systems (CCS) S-100
Coleco ADAM
Commodore/MOS Technologies KIM-1
Commodore PET 2001-8
Commodore PET 4032 / 8032
Commodore SuperPET SP9000
Commodore VIC-20
Commodore 64 / 65
Commodore 128 / 128D
Commodore C16 / Plus 4
Commodore SX64
Commodore Amiga 1000
Commodore Amiga 500
Compaq Portable PC / Plus / II / III
CompuColor II
CompuPro S-100 / 8-16
Convergent Technologies WorkSlate
Corvus Concept
Cromemco C-10
Cromemco System One
Cromemco System Three
Cromemco Z Series
Data General One
DEC Rainbow 100
Digital Group Systems
Dynalogic Hyperion
Epson HX-20
Epson PX-8 Geneva
Epson QX-10 & QX-16
Exidy Sorcerer
Gimix
Franklin ACE 1000 / 1200
Hewlett-Packard HP85
Hewlett-Packard HP150
Heathkit H-8
Heathkit H-11
Heath-Zenith H88/H89
IBM 5100 Personal Computer
IBM 5140 PC Convertible
IBM 5150 Personal Computer
IBM 5160 PC-XT
IBM 5170 AT
IBM 5155 Portable PC
IBM PCjr
IBM PS/2 Model 80
IMSAI 8080
IMSAI PCS-80
IMSAI VDP-80
Ithaca Audio InterSystems DPS-1
Intertec SuperBrain
Kaypro II
Kaypro 4 / 10
Lobo PMC-80
Mattel Aquarius
Mindset PC
MITS Altair 680
MITS Altair 8800
MITS Altair 8800a
MITS Altair 8800b
MITS Altair 8800b Turnkey
Morrow Decision 1
Morrow Micro Decision
Morrow Pivot
NEC PC-6001A
NEC PC-8001A
NEC PC-8201A / PC-5000
North Star Advantage
North Star Horizon
Ohio Scientific Challenger C1P
Ohio Scientific Challenger C4P
Ohio Scientific Challenger C3D
Osborne 1
Osborne Executive
Osborne Vixen
Otrona Attache
Polymorphic Systems POLY-88
Processor Technology SOL
Quasar/Panasonic HK2600TE Hand Held Computer
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 1
Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computers 1-3
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 2
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 3/4
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 4P
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 12 / 16 / 6000
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100 / 102 / 200
Radio Shack TRS-80 Micro Color Computer
MC-10
Radio Shack TRS-80 Pocket Computers
RCA COSMAC 1802 / ELF / Super ELF
Rockwell AIM-65
Sanyo MBC-1000
Seattle Computer Products 8086
Sharp Pocket Computers PC-1500 / PC-1500A
Sinclair ZX80
Sinclair ZX81 / Timex-Sinclair ZX1000
Smoke Signal Broadcasting Chieftain
Spectravideo SV-318 / SV-328
Sphere
SWTPC (SouthWest Technical Products) 6800
SWTPC (SouthWest Technical Products) 6809
Synertek SYM-1
Texas Instruments TI 99/4A
Timex-Sinclair 1500
Timex-Sinclair 2068
Tomy Tutor
Vector Graphic Vector-1
Vector Graphic Vector-4
VideoBrain
Vtech Laser 128
Xerox 820
Zenith Z-110 / Z-120
At 07:35 PM 3/19/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Can anyone recommend a vendor for obsolete or discontinued chips? My
>specific current need is for an AMD chip: AM7992BCD (or equivalent).
>
www.alltronics.com in San Jose has a
AM7992ADC for $US 2.50. Don't know what the suffix means: package, speed, etc.
There is an expensive place that may even make some "obsolete" chips, I
think their name is Rochester Electronics.
-Dave
Here's the first draft at a list of the Top 150 Collectible Microcomputers
(from the U.S.A.). I would have gone for Top 100 but there are just too
many great machines, and 200 is too many.
It's currently at 133 items. Some related models are combined as one, even
though they are rather different... other similar models are kept separate.
This is basically just because I personally feel they rate their own
separate listing, feel free to disagree.
Please add items! Items on the list should meet the following categories:
1) Collectible Microcomputer (yes, I know the H-11 is on here as an
"honorary" micro)
3) Sold in the USA
4) Available from a manufacturer (not just plans in a magazine)
The list:
Altos 586
Altos ACS 8000
APF MP1000
Apple I
Apple II
Apple II+
Apple II+ Bell & Howell "Black Apple"
Apple IIc / IIc Plus
Apple IIe / IIe Platinum
Apple IIgs / IIgs Woz Limited Edition
Apple III
Apple III+
Apple Lisa / Macintosh XL
Apple Macintosh 128
Apple Macintosh 512K Through SE
Apple Macintosh Portable
AT&T Unix PC / 3B2 / 7300
Atari 400
Atari 800
Atari XL Series
Atari 520ST / 1040ST
Atari Portfolio
Byte Computers Byt-8
California Computer Systems (CCS) S-100
Coleco ADAM
Commodore/MOS Technologies KIM-1
Commodore PET 2001-8
Commodore PET 4032 / 8032
Commodore SuperPET SP9000
Commodore VIC-20
Commodore 64 / 65
Commodore 128 / 128D
Commodore C16 / Plus 4
Commodore SX64
Commodore Amiga 1000
Commodore Amiga 500
Compaq Portable PC / Plus / II / III
CompuColor II
CompuPro S-100 / 8-16
Convergent Technologies WorkSlate
Corvus Concept
Cromemco C-10
Cromemco System One
Cromemco System Three
Cromemco Z Series
Data General One
DEC Rainbow 100
Digital Group Systems
Dynalogic Hyperion
Epson HX-20
Epson PX-8 Geneva
Epson QX-10 & QX-16
Exidy Sorcerer
Gimix
Franklin ACE 1000 / 1200
Hewlett-Packard HP85
Hewlett-Packard HP150
Heathkit H-8
Heathkit H-11
Heath-Zenith H88/H89
IBM 5100 Personal Computer
IBM 5140 PC Convertible
IBM 5150 Personal Computer
IBM 5160 PC-XT
IBM 5170 AT
IBM 5155 Portable PC
IBM PCjr
IBM PS/2 Model 80
IMSAI 8080
IMSAI PCS-80
IMSAI VDP-80
Ithaca Audio InterSystems DPS-1
Intertec SuperBrain
Kaypro II
Kaypro 4 / 10
Lobo PMC-80
Mattel Aquarius
Mindset PC
MITS Altair 680
MITS Altair 8800
MITS Altair 8800a
MITS Altair 8800b
MITS Altair 8800b Turnkey
Morrow Decision 1
Morrow Micro Decision
Morrow Pivot
NEC PC-6001A
NEC PC-8001A
NEC PC-8201A / PC-5000
North Star Advantage
North Star Horizon
Ohio Scientific Challenger C1P
Ohio Scientific Challenger C4P
Ohio Scientific Challenger C3D
Osborne 1
Osborne Executive
Osborne Vixen
Otrona Attache
Polymorphic Systems POLY-88
Processor Technology SOL
Quasar/Panasonic HK2600TE Hand Held Computer
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 1
Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computers 1-3
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 2
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 3/4
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 4P
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 12 / 16 / 6000
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100 / 102 / 200
Radio Shack TRS-80 Micro Color Computer MC-10
Radio Shack TRS-80 Pocket Computers
RCA COSMAC 1802 / ELF / Super ELF
Rockwell AIM-65
Sanyo MBC-1000
Seattle Computer Products 8086
Sharp Pocket Computers PC-1500 / PC-1500A
Sinclair ZX80
Sinclair ZX81 / Timex-Sinclair ZX1000
Smoke Signal Broadcasting Chieftain
Spectravideo SV-318 / SV-328
Sphere
SWTPC (SouthWest Technical Products) 6800
SWTPC (SouthWest Technical Products) 6809
Synertek SYM-1
Texas Instruments TI 99/4A
Timex-Sinclair 1500
Timex-Sinclair 2068
Tomy Tutor
Vector Graphic Vector-1
Vector Graphic Vector-4
VideoBrain
Vtech Laser 128
Xerox 820
Zenith Z-110 / Z-120
Hi,
I have a Sun EXP-2 external hard drive that I picked up. I'm trying to
find the specs on this but none of the SUN hardware FAQs seem to be
working. Can someone tell me what system it's for and the disk capacity and
other particulars?
Joe
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$15 per person PER DAY at the door!
Please visit http://www.vintage.org/vcf/register.htm for registration
forms and information.
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