Here's a brief list of stuff that needs to go, free to anyone willing to
haul it away:
(2) Sun 386i - case only, includes power supply. These look similar to a
mid-size tower PC case.
(2) ADDS terminals. These things are huge, but I believe they work.
MAG PC monitor, 14 or 15". No high voltage.
Assorted WYSE terminals for parts.
If nobody wants this stuff it will probably end up in the garbage very
soon (except for the ADDS terminals, which will go to Goodwill if they
will accept them). I live in Aloha Oregon, which is a suburb of Portland.
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Mike Newman INTERNET: mike(a)delos.rain.com
Aloha, Oregon USA -or- mike.w.newman(a)gte.net
http://home1.gte.net/res003ki/index.htm
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Fellow CLASSICCMP'ers,
I need help cleaning out, and I DON'T want to ship anything this time, so
this will be LOCAL PICKUP ONLY from Kent, WA (southeast of Seattle).
I'm not going to set fixed prices on anything because I would far rather
see it get put to use than sit on it until someone offers me something.
What I will say is that if you find something you like, and you feel like
making some sort of contribution, that's fine. If not, that's still OK.
Translation: Freebies with a donation can set up nearby. ;-)
With that in mind, here's a (mostly complete) list of what I want to get
rid of.
FAIR WARNING: If this stuff fails to move within the next month or so, I'm
going to drop it at whatever local metal recycler will take it, and/or rent
a dumpster from the local landfill.
I hate to do that, but I'm out of room, dang it! I need to MOVE this stuff!
THE LIST
Three DSD-880's with multiple manuals and diagnostic disks. Also included
is a DEC-produced VHS training video on how to service the beasties, and at
least one each of UniBus and Q-bus controllers for them (I say at least
because I'm not sure how many of each I have). I will also include rack
slides for the lot.
A Fujitsu 'Super Eagle' SMD hard drive. Big rackmount beastie, spins up,
comes ready, runs wonderfully quiet for its size. I've not tested it
in-depth, but I see no reason why it should be anything but functional.
Includes rack slides (nice aluminum-alloy ball-bearing ones, no less).
Two Cipher 880 series front-load 9-track drives. One is a straight Cipher
drive, the other is an OEM unit they did for DEC (a TSV05 if I'm not
mistaken). I can also throw in at least one Qbus controller card, and at
least one set of rack slides.
A mid-size box full of 8" floppies with various software, including old
versions of RT11. There's also a bunch of misc. DEC manuals. The only rule
I'll make on this pile is that if you want any of it, you have to take it all!
Two MicroVAX 2000's. One has been set up by me to be a handy formatter for
those RD52's and RD54's that you Just Can't Find the Service Diagnostics
tape for. I did this by making a special ribbon cable for it that's about
twice as long as the original.
This next item should be of interest to those who want to do graphics on
the MicroVAX II and III: I have at least a pair of complete VCB02 graphics
subsystems. This means two each of the controller boards, four each of the
4-plane color boards, two BIG 19" RGB monitors, cabling, keyboards, and
'hockey-puck' style electronic rodents.
While not exactly computer-related, there might be some of you who have
wanted to install an old 1A2 key telephone system in your place. Well,
here's your chance! I have a Western Electric 551 series "shoebox" key
service unit and some line cards to go along with it. You can route up to
four lines through this beastie: All you need are some 25-pair cables and
some keysets to go with it.
I'll also be getting rid of a pair of rackmount SCSI drive enclosures.
These are nice ones made by Control Data. The drives mount in special trays
which then slide in the front (they hold two drives each) of the
enclosures, and there are thumbwheel switches on the backside to select
SCSI ID for each position.
There may be some other bits and pieces that I'll find in the process of
cleaning out, but that's the bulk of it. If you're interested in anything,
please drop me an E-mail note and we'll set up a meeting.
Thanks in advance.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our
own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
Okay... I am still in extreme pain (a nail went into my head at this site,
not to mention other damage from being squashed by some stuff) but here goes
an attempt to list what's on the first truck (I still have at least 3 more
shipments to do):
Hardware:
PDP-1 software, 40 trays, all the DECUS stuff too, I expect a new or near
completed PDP-1 as we get through the building
Classic-8 rack mounted, looks new. -Already spoken for ... I promised this
to a friend a few years ago.. I will get more of them.. I hope.
PDP-16
PDP-11/20 (new)
PDP11/15 (new)
PDP8/L (2), 1 new and one with 12K core [mem expansion]
PDT-11/130 new in box
PDP-11/35 one new, 3 others in racks
RK05s,06s,07s
TS02s,TS03s
PDP-11/05 (3) , and 2 "Industrial 11s - blue panel"
(9+) ME-11 core memory expanders - all 24K
PDP 11/03s
RX01s/RX02s (many, many new)
1200 R/W series flip chips boards
PDP-8/S parts (was damaged in flood in 1969)
(4+) TU56s, some new
TU56 prototype
spare new unibus boards (700+)
spare new CPU boards (a few hundred)
expanders filled with >????? (10+)
new backplanes/font panels for PDP-8Ls,PDP-11s,LSIs, peripherals.. etc..
lp25 band printer (cool!)
various stands and racks used in pictures in DEC photos
PC05s, etc...
TC11
TC01
RK05 track writer and exerciser (cool)
I know there is a lot more but I can't think of it right now....
Manuals (extensive... far beyond what I imagined):
Microfiche for every device, peripheral, board made by digital from 1965 to
1978 (mostly PDP-8,PDP11,LSI but I did find a box full labeled PDP-10)
15 boxes of PDP-8 manuals for everything you could think of including the
338 display
too many boxes to count of PDP11 CPU/Peripheral manuals
Every DEC handbook ever made
Internal DEC manuals "DEC Tips" and training material for the
8/s,8/I,8/e,etc...
DEC module bible -1984 :-))))))) , in print and disk, and tape.. sweet..
every module in order with description and unit installed in...
Software:
234 trays of PDP-11 paper tape software
40 trays of PDP-8 paper tape software
a few hundred mag tapes
96 dectapes (both 8/11)
hundreds of floppy disks
[I have told that I will have every version of every piece of software both
in beta and released in every format PT,dectape,magtape,rx01,rx02.. I still
have a huge room to clean out filled with RSTS,RSX,and RT11, OS/8]
65 RK05 packs, both PDP8,and 11, LSI
Tools:
Extenders
KM11s
dual KM11 extenders
serial handheld tools ??
portable microfiche readers
calipers and gauges
too many things to list....
Upgrade kits and spares
Many TU56 parts (new wheels, etc)
Printer parts from hell.
disk/tape cleaning kits, new heads,filters, etc...
Coolest stuff (stuff I will keep):
TC11
new TU56s
LP25 :-)
microfiche (even PDP-8 schematics, schematics for every module made in order
>from A-series to Z) :-)
Stuff I saw but have to pull out next trip:
300 more boxes of manuals
200+ boxes of software
PDP-11/35s
PDP-11/05s
PDP11/20s
PDP-11/34s (all old style)
PDP-11/03s (all with RX02s)
LA30
Decwriter everything.....
VT100s 20+
and....
there is the "unknown" building where everything PDP-11/20 and before
went... I will try and clean a path to it next.. I looked through a window
[visibility is 3 feet] and saw a bunch of R-series backplanes, 11/20s,
11/15s, and what looks to be more PDP-8Ls. (again.. stacked 10 feet high)
How I got the nail in my head? I spoke to an old DEC at the warehouse.. He
told me they stacked old pre PDP-8 stuff (light) in the rafters... I climbed
up and saw out of the corner of my eye a box labeled "R107"... thinking
about my PDP-8/S I dove for it... only to have a nail take a chunk out of
me... while recovering on very *weak* beams I dropped down a 1100 flip chips
and the PDP-1 software. There is still alot left up there but I was in a lot
of pain and the trucks were full.
19 hours to load (two days), 12 hours to unload... A lot of this stuff will
be for sale/trade. An inventory is almost impossible as I expect a few
thousand UNIBUS boards, a few thousand flip chips, at least 300 core memory
boards, now, at least 75 minis, manuals, paper tape when done. I don't know
what I am going to do yet. [I did not expect this].. Maybe a super
Keyways???. I did rent the largest apartment I could find and filled it. I
also have two storage units filled and my lab. AT&T gave me the bottom floor
of one of their buildings to use but.... [you'll never guess].. it's filled
with MicroVAX's and PDPs from a company they bought out a little while
ago... I get that stuff next month.
Funniest part: I loaded the trucks sooo heavy that every time I turned the
corner the back bottomed out and ground down the tires. The border did not
stop the trucks... let me through without taxes.
I will try and put up picture in the next day or so on my site... I am
really sick right now and am trying to recover for XMAS.
OHH, by the way.. I got a call today and have a warehouse to go to that has
a ton of HP-2 stuff, software, manuals, boards, and wang tube stuff,
also...????
Sad part is I doubt I will be able to find any more *cool* stuff after
march.. Most of this was scheduled to go to the dump in March and most
companies are pitching anything non-Y2K complaint over the next 3 months.
john
PDP-8 and other rare mini computers
http://www.pdp8.com
At 12:36 AM 12/21/99 GMT, you wrote:
>Who (by company, that is) invented the first "clamshell" laptop? I am
>tempted to believe it is either GRiD or Zenith Data Systems that introduced
>this style, but if I had to, I'd lay my money on GRiD.
Take the money and run.
GRiD Compass: 1982 (Sometime in the fall)
Sharp PC-5000: 1983 (March)
Gavilan: 1983 (March or April)
TRS-80 m100: 1983
TRS-80 m200: 1985?
I don't know what Zenith's first clamshell was, but I'm pretty sure it was
much later on.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
>I call UPS and have them make a one time pickup. They say that it costs
>$5 extra but I've compared the cost of that and taking it to their drop off
>counter and it's almost always cheaper to have them come get it. No idea
>why unless there's some hidden charges involved in dropping it off.
The UPS ship rate is higher at the counter than it is for pick-up. It costs $4-5 more
to ship a 50 lb. package cross country from the counter than it does for a pick-up.
That about offsets the pick-up fee. Isn't as favorable for lighter packages, obviously.
-W
well, the lcd screen for the //c only sits on top of the computer and does
not fold down and is not integral with the rest of the computer so it really
doesnt apply. I think the time zone was 1984 or thereabouts.
In a message dated 12/21/99 8:30:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jim(a)calico.litterbox.com writes:
> I would have said Apple, with the LCD screen that went on the Apple 2 C.
> But I think that was after 1982.
>
> >
> > At 12:36 AM 12/21/99 GMT, you wrote:
> > >Who (by company, that is) invented the first "clamshell" laptop? I am
> > >tempted to believe it is either GRiD or Zenith Data Systems that
> introduced
> > >this style, but if I had to, I'd lay my money on GRiD.
> >
> > Take the money and run.
> >
> > GRiD Compass: 1982 (Sometime in the fall)
> > Sharp PC-5000: 1983 (March)
> > Gavilan: 1983 (March or April)
> > TRS-80 m100: 1983
> > TRS-80 m200: 1985?
> >
> > I don't know what Zenith's first clamshell was, but I'm pretty sure it
was
> > much later on.
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
> >
> > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
> > roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
> > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
> > San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
> >
>
>
> --
> Jim Strickland
> jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> BeOS Powered!
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At 10:46 PM 12/21/1999 -0000, you wrote:
>I ordered some manuals
>from them about two months ago, including the 360 Principles of Operation,
>the 360/30 Functional Characteristics, and the 360/67 Functional
>Characteristics.
I remember reading the 360 manuals 25 years ago. Are the manuals you
recently received still in that lovely line printer + ASCII graphics
motif?
Lance.
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Just a little trivia question I thought I'd ask everybody, here it is:
Who (by company, that is) invented the first "clamshell" laptop? I am
tempted to believe it is either GRiD or Zenith Data Systems that introduced
this style, but if I had to, I'd lay my money on GRiD.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dwight Elvey <elvey(a)hal.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: Olympia Olytext 20 OS question.
>"Ernest" <ernestls(a)home.com> wrote:
>> Hi Don. I may be able to get a copy of CP/M-80 but it won't be for my
>> specific system. That's the problem. I don't have the OS for it. That's
why
>> I was curious about how difficult it would be to set up a generic copy of
>> CP/M to run on it. I've never assembled (?) CP/M for a computer, but I've
>> been reading a how to on doing it, and interested in giving it a shot.
I'm
>> not even sure of how to load/run the system monitor to ID the various
>> address' but the thing is, as with anything, there's always a first time,
>> and you have to start somewhere.
>>
>
>Hi Ernest
> Most of CP/M is generic but the part called BDOS has to
>be specifically written to work on your computer. This
>part contains both the disk, printer, punch and serial I/O.
>The most important are the disk and serial. Usually the
>serial is easy because there were only a limited number
>of serial chips used. You don't have to make the serial
>interrupt driven. It is easier to make it a simple polled
>system at first. I've left mine as a polled system because
>I see no need to setup serial when I'm the only user.
> The disk I/O is a little more difficult. You'll need
>to know how the disk interface works. Most of the newer
>disk interfaces use one of the Western Digital series
>of chips. The reading and writing of sectors is relatively
>easy. You'll still need to have some understanding of
>disk formats and how the sectors are addressed.
> If you can find examples of code for the interfaces you
>have, 95% of the battle is won. You'll need a way of getting
>the code into the memory and then to the disk of your machine
>or someone else with a running machine can create the
>disk. The IMSAIs have the advantage that they have front
>panel switches. The machine may have a ROM based monitor
>that can be handy. If not, you'll need another machine
>to help boot strap your machine. The other machine doesn't
>need to be the same type, it only needs to be able to
>write the same disk format.
> I brought an old IMSAI back to life by doing a BDOS for
>it. It had an AY-3-1015 serial chip that was typical
>of the older machines. These are generally easy to work
>with since there is no software initialization ( other
>than clearing power up trash ) that needs to be done.
>The 8251 and 8250 type parts require initialization
>but they are also more versatile. The disk interface, on
>my machine, was an early TTL interface that had DMA to the
>machines memory. This took me quite a while to figure out
>and it wasn't until I found a schematic that I was able to
>figure it out ( it also was broken ). Luckily for you, most
>of the newer interfaces use standard chips and are easier to
>deal with. In many cases, you can make progress without
>schematics and only the chip manufactures spec sheet.
> It is also possible that many of the functions you need
>are already in ROMs on your machine.
>Dwight
>
>
I am trying to unsuscribe to your classiccmp. How do I do that? Thanks,
Dale Applegate
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: An odd request...
>>
>> I just had a kind of odd request.
>>
>> This one's for the Apple gurus on the list: Is it at all possible,
through
>> hardware, software, or 'other,' to read 5.25" floppies written on an
Apple
>> IIe on a PC?
>
>Yes, it's possible, because all things are possible :-)
>But it's not easy. The PC disk controller is physcially incapable of
>reading the GCR encoding on an Apple ][ disk. So you _can't_ simply use
>software to read the disks.
>
>There are/were accessory controller boards for the PC that connected
>between the normal controller and the floppy drive. These controllers
>could then handle the Apple GCR data. There were also Apple ][ emulator
>cards for the PC (basically a complete Apple ][ on an ISA card) that did
>the same sort of thing. No idea where you'd find these (for sale --
>people on this list have them but are hanging on to them) these days.
>
>You could always use an Apple ][ + its native disk controller and link it
>to a PC using either a serial (easier) or parallel link.
>
>-tony
>
>
