test-drb January 1999

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by meo＠netads.com

Geoff Roberts said... | |>Crappy Soviet 7.62x39 military ammo. | |That too. :^) But a 7.62 NATO is a little shorter than the 7.62 Russian. The 7.62 NATO is 7.62x51, the same as a .308 Winchester. The 7.62 Russian rifle cartridge is slightly longer than this (either 53 or 54 mm), but that's completely different than the 7.62x38, which was developed for carbines. |Got to Indonesia. We sold them the contents of the factory that made |our 7.62mm NATO/.308 SLR's |(Self Loading Rifles - Basically an FN rifle with a few refinements) You |could probably buy one dirt cheap. By the time I factor in the trip, that would be equivalent to going to Alaska to bu a Sinclair ZX80. |>But, like an IBM 3101 terminal, you can toss an SKS or AK off a roof, |>run over it with a truck, drag it through the mud, and it will *still* |>let you log on and do its job. Um, I mean, shoot as well as it ever |did. | |This is not exactly inspiring. An AK is probably the most inaccurate |assault rifle ever built. |(As I'm sure you know already);^) At 100m, it's just fine. Which is what it wa sbuilt for - short range (I admit, the idea of running the sites on my SKS up to the 500m setting is hysterical - I would want something like a battleship for a backstop! But the IBM 3101 was a beast, too. Slow. Clunkiest keyboard I think I have ever used. As big as a Cromemco with a Televideo 950. But built like a tank. |No experience with IBM 3101's, so I'll take your word for it. B^) It was IBM's irst (AFAIK) attempt to enter the world of ASCII and RS-232. It was, I suppose, successful. It was the right thing to put on a MODCOMP, which was what we had them on - because they would probably both survive WWW III. |It would have to be truly awful to beat an ADM3 though. I have one of |those. Want to get rid of it to make space for something else? 8^) -Miles

25 years, 11 months

Mac HD20 INIT needed

by rcini＠msn.com

Hello, all: I recently got a Mac HD20 hard drive, which is the floppy-based hard drive for the 512k Mac. It requires the HD20 INIT file, which does the following: <insert> The Mac 128 and 512k will need [the HD20 INIT] extension to use the HD20. The Mac 512ke and Plus do not. Basically the 64k ROM, 400k drive Macs need the extension and 128k ROM, 800k drive Macs don't. The 128k ROM as well as the HD20 INIT give the required HFS instead of MFS of the 64k ROM. In fact your Mac512k can also use an external 800k disk drive with the HD20 INIT (and this works out well, 400k internal, HD20 hard drive, 800k external floppy). The early Macs can support up to 3 floppy devices (including the one inside)." </insert> Does anyone have this file? Thanks! [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <================ reply separator =================>

25 years, 11 months

Berkeley Enterprises 1956 Report

by dogas＠leading.net

From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> >Adobe Streamline is a raster-to-vector program. I've got it, but I haven't >ever tried it on schematics. I would disparage Streamline but I assume/hope its improved in the 4 or 5 yrs since last used it... The vectorizer ( Trace? ) from Corel was pretty good at that sort of stuff though. - Mike:dogas@leading.net

25 years, 11 months

new to the list

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Miles O'Neal <meo(a)netads.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, 9 January 1999 19:10 Subject: Re: new to the list >Ward Donald Griffiths III said... >|tools I've found from a commercial supplier -- if somebody was to >|port SMIT to Linux, my life would approach perfection. > >If they did, and trie dto put it on my system, I'd have >to hurt them. Ok, as a (currently) AIX deprived person, might I ask WTH is SMIT please? Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

25 years, 11 months

Berkeley Enterprises 1956 Report

by gregorym＠cadvision.com

At 10:57 PM 1/10/99 -0600, you wrote: >OK, next time somebody tells you that the Altair was the first personal or >home computer, give them this URL: > http://www.yowza.com/classiccmp/berkeley/report.html > > <snip> > >-- Doug > Very interesting document, Doug, and fun to read. But I think that in 1956, a $4000 computer (Simon) could hardly be considered a home or personal computer. Wouldn't that have been more than most people's annual salary? I think on the price/performance scale, the Altair is the winner and still champion; it's price was probably in reach of more hobbyists. Cheers, Mark.

25 years, 11 months

Macintosh SE

by fauradon＠pclink.com

What kind of network are you working with? Appletalk, Ethernet..? -----Original Message----- From: van <van(a)wired.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 7:00 PM Subject: Macintosh SE >Hi there... > >Does anyone have experience networking a Mac SE? I really need some advice... > >Please help! > >xoxo van > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >van burnham +++ van(a)wired.com +++ 71 +++++++ http://www.futuraworld.com >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >designer +++ http://www.hotwired.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 415.276.8424 +++ >wired digital +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >++++++++++++++++++ 660 third street fourth floor san francisco ca 94107 > >

25 years, 11 months

Y2K stuff

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, 11 January 1999 12:28 Subject: Re: Y2K stuff >At 12:53 PM 1/9/99 +1030, you wrote: >>Are they polymer rather than paper like all ours are now? > >Still paper, but with a few more security features. > >>To save money, the govt withdrew all coins below 5c, we now have $1 & $2 >>coins, > >The US could have hundreds of millions of dollars by doing that (at least >$1 coins) but it has been demonstrated around the world that the only way >to do that *successfully* is to pull the bills out of circulation >immediately as the coins are released. That is what happened here. No notes < $5. The $1 & $2 coins are a brass composite, and are gold in color. Quite distinctive. Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie South Australia. My ICQ# is 1970476 Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile) 61-8-8633-0619 (Home) 61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct) 61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)

25 years, 11 months

Bulbs in parallel

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: Bill Sudbrink <bill(a)chipware.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, 12 January 1999 7:41 Subject: RE: Bulbs in parallel >> ObOT: BTW, does anybody know approximately when tit-tat-toe got renamed >> tic-tac-toe? Or is a regional thing? > >Don't our "Queen's English" friends (uk and au) call it "naughts and >crosses"? Noughts and Crosses actually. :^) Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie South Australia. My ICQ# is 1970476 Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile) 61-8-8633-0619 (Home) 61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct) 61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)

25 years, 11 months

PR1ME system rescue

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)netcom.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, 10 January 1999 14:08 Subject: PR1ME system rescue > The system is CPU, 32M of ram, 16 I/O ports, a Century 300M 10" >drive, a Seagate Sabre attached to a SCSI PORT!! (yay!) a Kennedy >9100 in Prime livery, and the usual load of cables and Stuff. Congratulations. I want one of those too. Getting a bit rare around here. Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie South Australia. My ICQ# is 1970476 Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile) 61-8-8633-0619 (Home) 61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct) 61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)

25 years, 11 months

Now very OT:Re: RT - the rude, the bad, and the ugly

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: Miles O'Neal <meo(a)netads.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, 10 January 1999 5:46 Subject: Re: RT - the rude, the bad, and the ugly >Ward Donald Griffiths III said... >| >|> >The high bidder would get to step out back onto the rifle range >|> >(why have 5 acres in Texas without a rifle range?), and put a >|> >7.62mm bullet into the RT's evil, beating heart. >| >|Crappy NATO 7.62 renaming of .30 cal. Jerks. Gimme a Winchester >|.308. >Crappy Soviet 7.62x39 military ammo. That too. :^) But a 7.62 NATO is a little shorter than the 7.62 Russian. I was taught that an AK47 would chamber and fire a 7.62 NATO round, (a bit loose, but it's fireable) but the 7.62 Russian won't fit in an SLR, FN or M60. I doubt this is an accident. >But find me a new gun in .308 for $99, and I'll buy it. Got to Indonesia. We sold them the contents of the factory that made our 7.62mm NATO/.308 SLR's (Self Loading Rifles - Basically an FN rifle with a few refinements) You could probably buy one dirt cheap. I wouldn't vouch for how legal it would be. It's not a full auto weapon, (the L1A1's we had, anyway) so it should be importable to your country at least. There was an auto version (L2A1, IIRC) but it wasn't a big hit. Our Armed Forces downgraded (IMNSHO) to a locally made/modded version of the 5.56mm F88 Steyr (Bullpup style) They have already discovered that:- 1: If you go to ground the wrong way, you will smash it to bits (it has a lot of plastic). Magazines and the butt are particulary vulnerable. Magazines are transparent plastic. 2: It's not as accurate as they hoped because the scope gets beat up by belting it around in the bush. 3: It's not as accurate as they hoped because the barrel/breech fit gets stuffed up becaus of the brass hats insisting that the grunts have to take the barrel off (a twist fit) when carrying out safety on the weapon. You are supposed to pull off the barrel and squint into the breech to make sure it's empty. This is not good for the weapon, as it wears the lugs that latch the barrel to the receiver, eventually the weapons accuracy (which is very good out of the box) reduces to a point where it's only somewhat better than an AK47. 4: It's less reliable, lot's more little moving parts. 5: The round does less damage at long range than the heavier 7.62, particularly, it doesn't penetrate anywhere near as well. 6: The troops hate it. 7: WOD's/RSM's hate it. The rifle drill movements looks like S... "Reverse Arms" is a joke with this weapon. 8: It's capable of full auto and it weighs less than the SLR. About the only positive statement I've heard about it, so far. 9: It doesn't have a bayonet fitting. >But, like an IBM 3101 terminal, you can toss an SKS or AK off a roof, >run over it with a truck, drag it through the mud, and it will *still* >let you log on and do its job. Um, I mean, shoot as well as it ever did. This is not exactly inspiring. An AK is probably the most inaccurate assault rifle ever built. (As I'm sure you know already);^) >[Which isn't that great, but fine for what it was intended for. Useful at short range, but then so is a 9mm SMG. >Just like an IBM 3101. Truly the Mack Truck of ASCII terminals.] No experience with IBM 3101's, so I'll take your word for it. B^) It would have to be truly awful to beat an ADM3 though. I have one of those. I used it as a console for a Vax for a while. (Shudder) Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie South Australia. My ICQ# is 1970476 Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile) 61-8-8633-0619 (Home) 61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct) 61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)

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