test-drb January 1999

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by joebar＠microsoft.com

Granted, but it's a much more *mundane* rip-off. ----- Original Message ----- From: PCTech To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Commodore 1541 on ebay for $8500.00 Even at $85.00 thats a rip off. I have one that i would consider in mint condition with all the parts manuals and original box I got it for $12.95.They had that Osborne 1 on there for $5000.00 and i just got one for free.If these people dont want the stuff let the folks who want it to restore it or whatever HAVE IT. -----Original Message----- From: Joseph S. Barrera III <joebar(a)microsoft.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 4:25 PM Subject: Re: Commodore 1541 on ebay for $8500.00 I'm confident that's a typo (probably meant $85). I've sent mail to the seller. ----- Original Message ----- From: PCTech To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 3:18 PM Subject: Commodore 1541 on ebay for $8500.00 You gotta go see this i cant believe it $8500.00

25 years, 11 months

Computers for children (soldering)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:13 AM 1/15/99 -0500, you wrote: >Well, in grades 6-8 I was playing with exolosives. My friend and I >were interested in rockets, but we couldn't afford the Estes kits. [...] >a couple of burns, so did my partner, we were lucky because we didn't >always follow the rules that well -- making rocket fuel out of sugar When I was a kid (back before I learned that detectives didn't always escape to catch the bad guys like in the Hardy Boys) I had a book about a texas P.I. named (iirc) J.J.Armes. He was ironically named because as a boy he lost both hands while playing with dynamite. While I definitely understand the benefits of first-hand experience, I don't think I'd want any kids I know to have eyesight like mine just so they can learn for themselves. Part of the value of intelligence is that past experiences can be shared. Your 8-year-old doesn't need to get a soldering iron scar -- you can show her yours, and hopefully, that will be good enough for her. btw, something I find amusing is the idea that some folks have here that if it ain't the way it was done when they were kids, then by gummit, it just ain't no good. In some cases, that may very well be true. You won't find a vehicle available on the market today that can compare with my 40 year old Land Rover. But on the other hand, it's not stock either. It's got GPS, onboard laptop, wireless internet connection, dual batteries, chevy engine, overdrive, etc. Similarly, there's nothing wrong with books, but to say that's the only way to learn to read is like saying that newsletters should be hand-typed and reproduced on (what was it?) spiritusumdruckers! That guy on TV that builds things with only homemade tools is interesting, but I don't see too many contractors working that way. >(But I nowadays know enough first principals to get or make many of >the raw materials we used to buy at the drugstore, potassium nitrate >and several of its chemical cousins being among the main things our Why does this frighten me, Ward? 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

25 years, 11 months

Classic Home Console Computers to Trade/Sell/Buy

by markr＠play.com

Hi Everyone, I'm new to this list. I've been collecting classic home console computers for about two years now and have some items to trade and some things I'm looking for (either trade or buy). You can check out my collection on my website at http://www.markrandall.com. Regards, Mark Randall Play Incorporated ====================== Classic Computers To Trade: ====================== Apple IIGS (full system with monitor/printer) Compaq Portable (original) IBM PC Jr. KayPro II KayPro IV Macintosh 128 (original) Radio Shack Color Computer Texas Instruments 99/4A ================================= Computers I'm Looking to Buy / Trade For: (Console Home Computers Only) ================================= Acorn BBC Micro Acorn Electron Amstrad CPC 6128 Amstrad CPC 664 Atari 65XE Atari 520ST Camputers Lynx Canon V-20 MSX Dragon 32 EACA Colour Genie EACA Video Genie 3003 (AKA System-80 / PMC 80) Exidy Sorcerer Franklin ACE 1200 Interact Model One Jupiter ACE Mattel Aquarius Memotek MTX 500/512 (or RS128) Oric 1 Oric Atmos Panasonic JR-200U Personal Micro Computer PMC 81 Phillips Videopac Salora Fellow Sharp MZ800 (MZ821) Sinclair QL Sinclair Spectrum Sinclair Spectrum + Sinclair Spectrum +2 / +2A / +3 SpectraVideo SVI 328 Sony HitBit Sord M5 Timex Sinclair 1500 Timex Sinclair 2068 Toshiba HX-10 Toshiba T100 Video Technology Laser Compact XT Video Technology VZ200 =============================== Computers Currently In My Collection (Pictures at http://www.markrandall.com) =============================== Amiga 500 Amiga 600 Amiga 1200 Amstrad 464 CPC Atari 400 Atari 800 Atari 600XL Atari 800XL Atari 1200XL Atari 130XE Atari 1040 ST Apple II Apple IIc Commodore 16 Commodore Plus/4 Commodore 64 Commodore 128 Commodore VIC 20 Laser 128 Radio Shack Color Computer Radio Shack Micro Color Computer (MC-10) Radio Shack Color Computer II (low rise keyboard) Radio Shack Color Computer II (high rise keyboard) Radio Shack Color Computer III Radio Shack Model 1 Sinclair ZX80 Sinclair ZX81 Tano Dragon 64 Texas Instruments 99/4A (gray/silver) Texas Instruments 99/4A (beige) Timex Sinclair 1000

25 years, 11 months

Commodore 1541 on ebay for $8500.00

by pctech＠davidbowie.com

Even at $85.00 thats a rip off. I have one that i would consider in mint condition with all the parts manuals and original box I got it for $12.95.They had that Osborne 1 on there for $5000.00 and i just got one for free.If these people dont want the stuff let the folks who want it to restore it or whatever HAVE IT. -----Original Message----- From: Joseph S. Barrera III <joebar(a)microsoft.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 4:25 PM Subject: Re: Commodore 1541 on ebay for $8500.00 I'm confident that's a typo (probably meant $85). I've sent mail to the seller. ----- Original Message ----- From: PCTech To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 3:18 PM Subject: Commodore 1541 on ebay for $8500.00 You gotta go see this i cant believe it $8500.00

25 years, 11 months

Questions on today's acquisitions

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

Made a few purchases today, and have questions on them all: HP 150 with an HP 9133 expansion chassis. Anybody know what kind of keyboard this takes? It has a 6 prong telephone style connector. Texas Instruments Compact Computer 40. This is a lot like the TRS-80 PC-4 in appearance, but a bit bigger. It has BASIC in ROM and a connector for cartridges. Is there anything actually useful for this? THe keyboards too small to do any actual word processing. MPP-1150 Parallel Printer Interface by Supra Corporation. This has a parallel connector on the one end and a strange 13 pin connector which looks something like this: _______ |_______| /_______\ on the other end. Does anybody know what computer this goes to? And lastly, I have a single IC in a bag labeled "printer". The chip says "NEC RI8739-I35 D2332C 374". Does anybody know what this is? Anybody want it? Tom Owad -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

25 years, 11 months

Questions on today's acquisitions

by kurtkilgor＠bigfoot.com

> Texas Instruments Compact Computer 40. This is a lot like the TRS-80 > PC-4 in appearance, but a bit bigger. It has BASIC in ROM and a > connector for cartridges. Is there anything actually useful for this? > THe keyboards too small to do any actual word processing. I have one of these too. TI supposedly made a thermal printer, an RS-232 interace, and a 70KB tape drive, which would plug in to the six-pin BERG connector on the back, next to the power jack. I use it as a programmable scientific calculator.

25 years, 11 months

biofeedback (was: Computers for children (soldering))

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 09:49 PM 1/14/99 -0700, you wrote: >> ObCC: I seem to recall somebody producing a biofeedback device for the > >Ooo... now THERE would be a cool thing to get my hands on... anyone know >anything about these or have one gathering dust? There was also one for the 8-bit ataris and (iirc) TRS-80's (Cocos?). --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

25 years, 11 months

Which comes first?

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

I was talking wiht another programmer recently and we considered the question of whether science drives science fiction, or vice-versa. I think that while it probably goes both ways, to some extent, the real pathway is: Science Fiction --> Research Labs --> Consumer Electronics --> Science Fiction. An example that comes to mind is a story I read (can't remember what or who, but perhaps Hogan?) wherein a character sat down and unrolled the screen of his powerbook 9999. I just read (Microtimes?) that someone has come up with a flexible LCD screen which may be used at some point in such a device. I'm not sure what this has to do with classic computers, but I decided to post it anyway. Lot less off-topic than some stuff lately. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

25 years, 11 months

Direct Neuro Coupling (was: Computers for children (soldering))

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:10 PM 1/14/99 -0600, you wrote: >I guarantee that some time in the future, an alternative pathway will be: > computer =electrical impulse=> brain > >and you won't be able to tell the difference. Check out James Hogan's Bug Park (not the first book to use the idea, just the most recent I've read, and one of my two favorite authors.) Obcc: Hogan used to be a salesrep(?) for DEC and his books include fairly realistic computers and such, and kinda obviously DEC. (And, iirc, Apple II's in earlier books?) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

25 years, 11 months

OT? On Programming (was: Re: Computers for children)

by kurtkilgor＠bigfoot.com

> This is definitely off-topic (who was that said I was single-minded?) but > for a fine example of bletcherousness, try the source to the pine mailer > (here also known as pain, or Pain In Neck Email). Find the 70K source file > that handles the main mail stuff, and try 'grep goto' - and watch three or > four screenfulls scroll by. All in one function (the 70K file is almost > all one function). Besides for this example, what do you feel is wrong with PINE? What do you prefer? I would like to know since I'm an inexperienced Linux user, and this is on-topic since PINE is over 10 years old.

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test-drb January 1999