In a message dated 98-08-29 02:16:04 EDT, you write:
<< Not really. There's room for an internal, and I have a sound card, and a
Mitsumi external w/ a blown controller. I'm just trying to find one of the
drives that could originally be purchased with the AT (or at least a 3rd
party accessory). >>
a cd rom for a 5170? that machine was announced ~1984 and IBM didnt have a cd
rom drive for an option way back then.
>"This instrument can teach, it can illuminate;
> Yes,and it can even inspire. But it can do so
> only to the extent that humans are determined
> to use it to those ends. Otherwise it is
> merely lights and wires in a box."
> - Micro68 computer User's Manual,EPA Inc. 1976
I love it... succinct, and entirely lost with today's
generation who expects that computers can do anything,
right out of the box. Actually, I remember a few
people who thought the same way a few decades ago
as well...
On the other hand, I've also had people respond to me
that "That can't be done on our computer," when I've
made some suggestion. I always respond with, "Yes,
it could be done if a programmer took the time to
write the code."
It's amazing how much and how little people think
computers can do... quite a paradox.
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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well, I missed the meeting of you TC folks. But my excuse is valid... I
picked up a mac Quadra 950, w/ tons of cool A/V stuff, and a 21 inch
supermac monitor. Nothing 10 years old, except one of the hard drives- a
1.2 gig micropolis scsi made in 1987. huge.
so, be that as it may, I cannot get the system to boot correctly with
both the boot drive and this other drive hooked up at once. not a scsi
ID conflict; if i unplug the big old micropolis, it boots, and i can
plug it back in while it's running and it's accessable. it's not marked
as a boot disk, a startup disk, and it has no system software on it. I'm
lost.
Forgive my non-ancient computer babbling (1992, that's 6 yrs... seems
like a lot more to me, however :)
-Eric
Take a look, for info purposes
http://www.msnbc.com/news/178798.asp
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Curious. Same goes for people who aren't in a large company and
invent various other things. How did he 'invent' a gun without
owning the necessary tools (at least I doubt a magazine writer would
own this stuff) to process metal? Also, how did Woz make a case for
the Apple ][, etc? Are there companies that take single orders
like this?
>
>Elmer Keith was a well known gunsmith and magazine writer (was it Guns
&
>Ammo?). Among other things he's credited with inventing the .44 magnum
>pistol round (IIRC) in 1955.
> Jack Peacock
>
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Chuck, I'm forwarding your message to ClassicCmp. You should join that
too:
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Everyone else already on the list, see below my sig for Chuck's original
message. He needs help with memory for his PDP/8.
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:46:11 -0700
From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)freegate.com>
Reply-To: baccl(a)retronet.net
To: Bay Area Computer Collectors List <baccl(a)retronet.net>
Subject: PDP-8 memory stack
Hello,
I'm new to this list (Sam Ismail suggested I join it), allow me to
introduce myself. I'm an engineer at a startup (FreeGate Corp) and have
been using computers since 1972 when I first laid hands on a PDP-8/e.
Since then I've used a variety of them (still have the boards, docs and
cassette tapes, from a Digital Grourp Z-80 system, my first computer.)
I am the Executive Director for the Society for the Preservation Of
Classic Computers (SPOCC). My current project for the society is to seek
charitable status under section 501(c)(3) of the IRS code.
My current restoration project is a PDP-8/m that is, sadly, without
memory. I've been looking around for a 4K stack for about 1.5 months
now. Progress to date includes buying a stack from Keyways Inc
(www.keyways.com) but having only the Core section work (the sense amps
and xy drivers are not working correctly) These boards are labelled G104
and G227 in DEC flip chip parlance. If you know of anyone who has a
working core stack, I'd be interested to hear about it. I paid Keyways
$75 each (to be refunded since they don't work) for these boards. I've
paid $10/each for "AS-IS" boards. DEC claims they have replacement stock
available at $1800. (a bit much for me...)
--Chuck
Since the Challenger explosion, NASA policy has been not to perform
shuttle launches for the purpose of delivering communications
sattelites.
>> Since we are off topic, read the Bill of Rights and the Constitution
>> sometime if you want an idea of just how many of your rights (re:
>> freedom) have been usurped in your 'best interest' by our omnipresent
>> Federal Government. This spy satellite pales in comparison to the
>> invasion of personal liberty that has been either legislated by
>> Congress or in the case of our Constitutional Rights bent in
>> interpretation by the Supreme Court under the guise of a 'living
>> breathing Constitution.' Bullshit. The Constitution doesn't need
>> interpretation, it is written very clearly and has been raped.
>
>I may be naive, but I understand that the satellite was owned by
>a connecticut company who was have it launched to replace the one
>which went bad earlier this year, knocking out millions of pagers,
>etc.
>
>> several years. Its the payload of the first that exploded that's
very
>> curious to me: a high-tech spy satellite capable of listening on on
>> thousands of phone calls and other communications, costing how many
>> billions? You'd think they would be REALLY, REALLY careful with a
toy
>> like that.
>
>So would I... and I would have suspect that such a satellite would have
>been launched from vandenburg. This is part of the reason I do believe
>it was a communicates satellite.
>
>BTW - if not from vandenburg, then aboard a shuttle...
>
> Megan Gentry
> Former RT-11 Developer
>
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|
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|
>| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!'
|
>| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/
|
>| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler
|
>| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg
|
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The September issue of PC World makes a very good point. 'Privacy'
is not mentioned in the Constitution. And while you're outraged at
invasions of privacy, read some Noam Chomsky and find out what you
should be angry at even more... (Chomsky Reader or via web search for
'Noam Chomsky').
> Since we are off topic, read the Bill of Rights and the Constitution
> sometime if you want an idea of just how many of your rights (re:
> freedom) have been usurped in your 'best interest' by our omnipresent
> Federal Government. This spy satellite pales in comparison to the
> invasion of personal liberty that has been either legislated by
> Congress or in the case of our Constitutional Rights bent in
> interpretation by the Supreme Court under the guise of a 'living
> breathing Constitution.' Bullshit. The Constitution doesn't need
> interpretation, it is written very clearly and has been raped.
>
> Marty
>
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: Deja vu
>Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
>Date: 8/28/98 1:21 PM
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Max Eskin wrote:
>
> > Give me a break! Rockets explode all of the time. Plus, I would
guess
> > some of the parts they are using are old. I have the feeling cracked
> > seals could once again be the problem. Also, rockets don't rely on
> > computer controls. These are 20-year old technology. It's unlikely
> > they have anything more than a bunch of servos like in a model car.
>
> Sure! One out of hundreds of Space Shuttle flights. 1 out of, how
many
> was that, 4 Apollo flights. A couple recently out of hundreds in the
past
> several years. Its the payload of the first that exploded that's very
> curious to me: a high-tech spy satellite capable of listening on on
> thousands of phone calls and other communications, costing how many
> billions? You'd think they would be REALLY, REALLY careful with a toy
> like that.
>
> Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I at least like to HOPE that
someone
> out there cares enough about freedom that they had a hose accidentally
> snipped or something, know what I mean?
>
> Sam Alternate e-mail:
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