test-drb August 1998

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by dlw＠trailingedge.com

Well, I think the guy is on crack but YMMV. As I would not pay anywhere near that much for this system, someone else might so if you are interested contact him directly, not me. ----- Forwarded message ----- Return-Path: <will(a)technotrack.com> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:21:37 -0500 From: will <will(a)technotrack.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Subject: IIgs for sale I do have the following: * Apple IIgs Limited Edition (signed by Steve Wozinak) with Authenticity certificate * 5.25" drive * 3.5" 800K drive * 52 meg hard disk * 1 meg Apple memory expansion board. * Apple ImageWriter II * Keningston System Saver IIgs * SCSI card with DMA and caching * AppleWorks 3, PrintShop IIgs, many TimeOut add-ons to AppleWorks * All manuals and cables (I have some, but not all, boxes), monitor, ADB keyboard, and ADB mouse If you were looking for donations, I am sorry, but for the moment, my price is $6500 plus shipping (insured). If you are not interested, please pass the word on. ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

25 years, 11 months

CLASSICCMP digest 496

by franke＠sbs.de

Finaly - I already thought nobody would care about ol' Commo' here :) >> Since I rediscovered a B500 in my junk some weeks ago, >> I'm searching for information. Until now i could trace >> nothing in the web or any magazine from that time. >> The Computer in question is a Commodore B500, Basicly >> a CBM II LP. I am not talking about the P500. The mobo >> is technicaly the same than the CBM 610 (B128) but a >> different layout (only some lines) and a (lower) part#. > Sure it's not a P-500? I currently have mine (P-500) opened for Information > Gathering, might well do some now... Shure it is a B500 - i could send Photos tomorrow (all at home) Different label and no joystick connectors at the backside. Althrough i guess the connector on the mobo next to where the P500 has the joysick ports, could be the same. Also the video chip is a 6845 and not a VID. > The Motherboard's Assembly Number is: 4256046 > The 3 8k ROMs are part numbers: 901234-02, 901235-02, and 901236-02 > There is another chip marked FPLA #1 0906114-02 > There is a second next to it with it's label removed (dried spooge on the top), > the chip ID is: N82S100N 8235 (I haven't searched the net to determine what > the chip is, one day I may study electronics more....) Tomorrow. 8235 is the manufacturing week 35/82. N82S199N ? Hmm maybe a PROM ? N821xx are PROMS >from Philips - But I never have seen a ...00 or ...N. I'll hafe a look tonight. >> Also the Version/Part#'s of the kernal/basic EPROMS are >> lower than any known (to me) B128/B256/6x0/7x0 type. >> The mobo and all chips are dated to 1982 - again way >> before any other CBM II I know. AFAIR the CBM II line >> was introducted in 1983. > Could be a beta prototype or one recalled during the FCC proving. (Commodore > had a run-in with the FCC concerning the B and P series computers...) No FCC number. My peronal guess is that on first sight Commo had planed a B500 and P500 series of computers, but later switched to the 500/600/700 scheme (and then again to B128/256 for the US and 6x0/7x0 for Germany) - and eventualy dropped the 500. Beside the B500 I own 3 610 units and a 720 (_without_ fd's!) >> Any Info would be usefull. > From my understanding EVERY scrap of Commodore's information regarding the > B-128 line of computers went to the Chicago B-128 Users Group (a nice > arrangement made with Commodore). I talked briefly with the president of the > group several years back but have since lost touch with anyone in the group. > I hope one day someone with the B-128 info will surface on the 'net. Hmm - The question is which Commodore unit sold their info. If only the US- Commodore Inc., than its only a small part, since the development and Production (at least of the prototypes) where done at Commodore Germany - an 'independent' company - they even survived the Breakdown of Commodore for almost a year :) Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

25 years, 11 months

CLASSICCMP digest 496

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< > the chip ID is: N82S100N 8235 (I haven't searched the net to determin < > the chip is, one day I may study electronics more....) 82s100 is a PLA (PAL like device) Allison

25 years, 11 months

Vintage Computer Festival Announcement

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I noticed that the T1100, was the "first" laptop computer. What year was it made? -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Vintage Computer Festival <siconic(a)jasmine.psyber.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Vintage Computer Festival Announcement > Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 12:53 AM > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > | | > | .================================================================. | > | // ______ o_ ___________ \\ | > | // / \ \ o o o o o o | ____ \ \\ | > | H / | | | | | | | | | | \ \ \\ | > | H / ____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|___ \ \ `=o | > | H | | | \ \ | > | H | | The Premier Event for Computer Enthusiasts is Back! | \ \__ | > | H | | | \ | | > | H o | V I N T A G E C O M P U T E R F E S T I V A L |__ \ o | > | H | | \ \ | > | H \ - VCF 2.0 - | \ `-o | > | H | |\ `----o | > | H | September 26-27, Santa Clara Convention Center | `-------o | > | H / Santa Clara, California | | > | H | | | > | H | Speakers, Exhibit and Flea Market | | > | H | | | > | H | O http://www.siconic.com/vcf | | > | H |_____________________________________________________| ____o | > | H | | | | | | | | | | / | > | H | | | | | | | | | |______/ | > | H============' | | | | | | | |_________________ | > | H / | | \ \ \ |_____________________ | | > | H / / | `-o \ \ || | > | H o___________/ / \______ \ \ || | > | H o \_____|____|___________________ || | > | H ____________________________ | | || | > | H | | | The S P E A K E R S | || | > | `=| Why would YOU come to the | __| |___|| | > | _| Vintage Computer Festival? | | | | | > | | |____________________________| | KEYNOTE SPEAKER | | | > | |__________________________________| | | | > | ________________________ ___|-Gordon Bell |__ | | > | | || || || | / | | | | > | .-| To Learn the History |--' | Father of the Mini-computer! | | | > | | |__||_||_||______________| | Mr. Bell will speak about | | | > | o ________________________ ___| his pioneering work on the |____| | > | | || || || | / | DEC PDP-1, PDP-8 and PDP-11 | | > | o-| For the Nostalgia |--' | | | > | |__||_||_||______________| | FEATURED SPEAKER | | > | o ________________________ \______| |___o | > | | | || || || | |-Ray Holt | | > | `-| To Hear the Speakers |-._____| | o | > | |__||_||_||______________| | Who really invented the | / | > | ________________________ ____| first microprocessor? Guess |___/ | > | | || || || |__/ | again. This designer of the | | > | .-|To Buy Vintage Computers|-------| JOLT and Synertek SYM-1 sin- |-----o | > | | |__||_||_||______________| | gle-board computers will re- | | > | o ________________________ ______| veal why computer history |_____ | > | | || || || |/ | may need to be re-written. | | | > | o-|For the Games & Contests|--. | | | | > | |__||_||_||______________| \___|-David Rutland | | | > | ________________________ __| |_____| | > | | || || || | | On the National Bureau of | | | > | o-|To Meet Other Collectors|-o | Standards Western Automatic | | | > | |__||_||_||______________|___ | Computer (SWAC). Mr. Rutland | | | > | ________________________ \___| worked under Harry Huskey to |__o | | > | | || || || | | help build this first com- | | | > | o-| To Meet the Pioneers |---. | puter west of the rockies. | | | > | |__||_||_||______________| \ | ____ O | | | > | ________________________ \ |____________/ \____________| | | > | | || || || | \ | | > | .-| For the Prizes! |----. \________________________________o | | > | | |__||_||_||______________| \ | | > | | \__________________________________ | | > | o o________ \ | | > | ,=============o \ ______________________________ | | | > | // | o__ \ | | | | | > | H ___________|________ \ \ |-Tom Geller | | | | > | H | | \ \__| |___| | | > | H \ Philosophy of the / \ | Whether you're into game | | | > | H | Vintage Computer |___ \ | consoles, handheld devices, | | | > | H | Festival... | \ \ | arcade machines or personal | | | > | H / \ \ \__| computers, there's a Mac- |_____| | > | H | The main mission | \ | based emulator for you. | | > | H | of the Vintage | \ | | | > | H | Computer Festival | \ |-Jim Willing | | > | H | is to promote the | \__| |____o | > | H | preservation of | | Jim will demonstrate ways in | | > | H | "obsolete" compu- |___ | which you can put computers, | | > | H | ters by allowing | \ | new and old, back to work in | | > | H | attendees to ex- | \_____| the classroom. Also, how to |___ | > | H | perience the tech- | | care for your old computers. | \ | > | H | nologies, people | | | \ | > | H | and stories that | |-Bruce Faust | | | > | H | embody the remark- | ______| |__o | | > | H | able tale of the | / | Bruce will tell you every- | | | > | H | computer revolu- | o' | thing you want to know about | | | > | H | tion. | | the Toshiba T1100, the first | o | | > | H |____________________| ___| "laptop" computer. |__/ | | > | H | / | | | | > | H o o______/ |-Manny Lemas | | | > | H _________________________ | | o | | > | H o__| VCF2 S P O N S O R S |___| Manny will discuss his work |__/ | | > | H | www.haggle.com | | in the early days of the | | | > | H____| Dr. Dobb's Journal | | microcomputer revolution, | | | > | H |_________________________| | including publication of the | | | > | H __| first microcomputer journal |_____| | > | H / | and his involvement with the | | | // | > | H ________ ________ / | Synertek SYM-1. | | | > | H |o \__/ | / | | | | > | H_____| |_/ __|-Philip Belben |___o | | > | H | Test your computer | o' | | | | > | H | history knowledge! | | Philip will be presenting a | o | > | H __| |__o | workshop on the pre-history | | > | H | Nerd Trivia | __| of the graphics workstation. |_____ | > | H | Challenge | o | | ____ O | H | > | H o___| |_/ | |__________/ \______________| H | > | H | Only at VCF 2.0! | / H | > | H | | / H | > | H _| - Also - |__/ ___________________o H | > | H / | | / H | > | H o' | A screening of | / __ ___ __________________ H | > | H __| vintage computer |____/ | |__| | | H | > | H / | sales and training | | |Someone lucky will|==-----H | > | H | | films from the | | | go home with an | H | > | H | __| 50s, 60s and 70s |__ | _ | | H | > | H | | by San Francisco | /| (_) | IMSAI 8080 |==--o H | > | H | | stock footage | / | | | H | > | H | o_| film archive |____/ | | See the VCF web | H | > | H o | Oddball Film+Video | | __ | site for details |==--o H | > | H |____________________| |__| |___|__________________| H | > | H H | > | \\ // | > | `=====================================================================' | > | | > | V2.0 rev 2 http://www.siconic.com/vcf (C) SICONIC 1998 | > |___________________________________________________________________________ | > > > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)verio.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0! > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details > [Last web page update: 07/26/98] >

25 years, 11 months

Burroughs 205

by wjhl18＠webtv.net

I am desperately seeking a Burroughs 205 computer controller console, circa 1957. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks! Jim

25 years, 11 months

Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> '*' and '#' have no pulse analogues. However, in the states at least, the > equivalent to dialing a dial access code preceded by a star or pound is > generally achieved by rotary dialing '11' before the code (ie. *69 would > be 1169). Fortunately in the UK there are no requirements yet (afaik) for * and # on the public networks. On the private exchange at work, 11=*, 12=#, 13=** and 14=##, at the beginnings of numbers only, but I don't know whether it still works. BTW, in the UK # is _never_ called "pound". "Hash" is the most usual name, followed by "gate" and "hatch". "Pound" means a script L with a couple of horizontal bars through it :-) > As for trying to communicate with auto-attendants, you'll probably have to > add external buttons to your rotary phone to give you the capability of > dialing '*' and '#'. That's what I was afraid of. Although a neater hack still would be a modified dial that did 11 pulses for * and 12 for #. Mechanically possible, but I wouldn't want to try and modify the old dial. There is a blanked-off hole in most type 746 phones that can accommodate 1 or 2 buttons, and I was thinking of putting # and * there, but this is more usually used for a "recall" button. Incidentally, does anyone know why "timed break" recall buttons are replacing local earth ones? And how long is the break? > While a pulse-to-DTMF converter is a neat hack (and these sort of > converters were installed in some step-by-step exchanges in the US, at > least there were in my local exchange when we were step-by-step, but come > to think of it I don't know why, unless they were converting my pulse > dialed digits to DTMF so that some other adjunct piece of equipment such > as a Dialed Number Recorder could know what digits I was dialing, for > purposes of surveillance ;) it'd be easier to just buy a cheap DTMF phone. Sam, you should be ashamed of yourself. The object of the exercise was not to get a DTMF phone, but to get one with a _rotary dial_. I already have a DTMF phone, and I am interested in thes project _purely_ for hack value. Slightly less far off topic, does anyone know the reason for the divergence in layout between phone keypads and computer ones, i.e. 123 789 456 vs. 456 ? 789 123 0 0 Which came first? Philip.

25 years, 11 months

Maybe off-topic: low/no cost Soft-ICE for x86

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 03:42:40 -0400 (EDT), Ethan Dicks <erd(a)infinet.com> wrote: >>How about dosemu under Linux? It's complete enough that we used to load >>NDIS drivers and emulate a PC well enough to log into the Novell network >>at work and read e-mail, etc., from DOS. I do not know the state of >>debugging tools for dosemu, but it's copylefted - you can add in all the >>features your schedule permits. Do you remember where in the source tree this is? I don't have Linux installed, but I have the CD lying around here somewhere. {snip} >>comment on its current state. Your milage may vary, yadda, yadda, yadda. Batteries not included...may explode if heated...contents may have settled during shipping...keep away from open flame...may cause cancer in mice...do not operate heavy machinery after using... :-) Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin/CW7 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

25 years, 11 months

Help...?

by rax＠warbaby.com

Anyone care to be a good samaritan? Delivered-To: cnewmark-com-i(a)steam.ionix.net Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:50:31 -0700 From: Lisa Galbreath <lisag(a)cnet.com> To: listfoundation community <cnewmark-com-i(a)steam.ionix.net> Reply-To: Lisa Galbreath <lisag(a)cnet.com> Subject: (community) Digital Historian / Wizard Needed Status: U (community) My grandfather has 20 years of his life's work stored on a 1982 Pitney Bowes Word Processor 6000 and the whole thing has gone kaput. It used those large double sided, double density diskettes (also copyright 1982). All I have is the reorder number on these diskettes: 169501. I need to get the stuff on paper someohow so I can scan it all into the new PC I'm getting him (unless it can be downloaded onto disk?). If you can tackle this one, the machine is yours. Lisa Galbreath, Corporate Services Manager CNET: The Computer Network 150 Chestnut Street, San Francisco, CA 94111 (415) 395-7805 x1277 fax: (415) 623-2458 -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies.

25 years, 11 months

Apple IIgs Rom 0 Available?

by Anthony.Dellett＠Staples.com

I'm not saying it's not worth $200, just that I wouldn't pay that much for one :) Tony > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim [mailto:jim@calico.litterbox.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 4:18 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Apple IIgs Rom 0 Available? > > > $200 for a fully loaded GS, with a monitor, a couple floppy > drives, and what > not isn't bad at all. Add a hard disk and it's a good deal. > BTW, ROM Os are > practically worthless however because they won't run GSOS > 6.01. You can > still buy the upgrade roms from alltech for 29 bucks. All > money mentioned > in this article is in US dollars. :) > -- > Jim Strickland > jim(a)calico.litterbox.com > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- >

25 years, 11 months

Thanks...

by Anthony.Dellett＠Staples.com

> > > > Thanks to everyone that was helping solve our PDP-11 boot > problems but > > it seems that part of the problem was the fact that the > backplane was > > giving out (it actually went up in smoke on friday night > while we were > > The backplane, or the power cable to it? I've never seen a backplane > smoke - with a DEC PSU, even a dead short between +5V and > Ground doesn't > normally melt anything. What on earth were you doing with it? > It was the power supply. Being old, it decided to go boom. > > PS: If anyone in the Massachusetts/New Hampshire area has a > spare RX01 > > that they wouldn't mind parting with, we have alot of Q-Bus > cards that > > need a backplane :) > > An RX01 (unless I am very much mistaken) is a dual floppy drive. It > doesn't contain a backplane, and you certainly can't plug q-bus cards > into it. I don't see how this would help. > My bad. We have a real PDP 11/23 backplane and we're looking for an RX01 to boot it from. We have a whole ton of 8" disks and these are the only disks we have with an OS. Tony

25 years, 11 months

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test-drb August 1998