> On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, John Foust wrote:
>
> > >As you mentioned, if you put the wrong disk in, it does
> not give you a way
> > >to recover. I know its hard to believe any software could
> be worse than
> > >Windows at error recovery, but Apple Pascal was. I once
> lost my entire
> > >disk of Pascal programs because the OS could not find the
> right disk. The
> > >error message was something like "Volume not found:
> directory erased".
> >
> > UCSD Pascal's directory structure is absolutely elementary.
> > It's FAT has room for a fixed number of files, and each is stored
> > contiguously in logical blocks. If you've still got the disk,
> > you can easily recover your files. I'm not sure why it
> > would decide to zap the directory structure - are you sure it
> > wasn't your fault? :-) There's a volume label, and I thought
>
> This was 10 years ago in high school. I doubt I can get back
> credit :)
>
> > the OS at least checked this before it assumed the right disk
> > was in the drive - unless your program was working at a low
> > level, and asked for a specific (#4:, #5:) drive.
>
> It was the OS itself that maimed my files. The OS! I put in
> the wrong
> disk and the OS puked all over it.
>
I remember this happening if you were writing to a disk and accidentally
put the wrong one in.
Tony
>Check out <http://www.cris.com/~comug/outbound/index.shtml>. Is yours the
>Laptop (two pieces) or the Notebook (one piece)? If the latter, I can get
>you the specs for the PS when I get home (if you don't hear from me, e-mail
>me to remind me.) To start it, hit return or space on the keyboard.
It's the Notebook, Model 200 series. Thanks for your help.
BTW, I sent you an email offering to trade some NeXT and Mac equipment
for a Dash '030, but it was while I was having trouble with my email
account. Did you receive the email? Interested in trading?
Sincerely,
Tom
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At 10:13 AM 8/12/98 -0700, you wrote:
> Just purchased an "Outbound Laptop System". I can't find a power
>switch on the unit. Does it use the keyboard to power on?
> I don't have the power adapter. What are the specs for it? Can the
>Outbound run directly off the adapter or does it need to run off the
>battery?
Check out <http://www.cris.com/~comug/outbound/index.shtml>. Is yours the
Laptop (two pieces) or the Notebook (one piece)? If the latter, I can get
you the specs for the PS when I get home (if you don't hear from me, e-mail
me to remind me.) To start it, hit return or space on the keyboard.
Specs depend on the model. If it's the notebook, there's a model # on the
back by the expansion ports. Could be 68K or 68030 (iirc). It can run
directly off the PS, but batteries should also be readily available (it's a
standard type of camcorder battery.)
If it's the Laptop, and you decide to part with it, do let me know!
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At 11:56 AM 8/12/98 -0700, Sam Ismail wrote:
>
>I'll just say this: Apple UCSD Pascal blows.
>
>As you mentioned, if you put the wrong disk in, it does not give you a way
>to recover. I know its hard to believe any software could be worse than
>Windows at error recovery, but Apple Pascal was. I once lost my entire
>disk of Pascal programs because the OS could not find the right disk. The
>error message was something like "Volume not found: directory erased".
UCSD Pascal's directory structure is absolutely elementary.
It's FAT has room for a fixed number of files, and each is stored
contiguously in logical blocks. If you've still got the disk,
you can easily recover your files. I'm not sure why it
would decide to zap the directory structure - are you sure it
wasn't your fault? :-) There's a volume label, and I thought
the OS at least checked this before it assumed the right disk
was in the drive - unless your program was working at a low
level, and asked for a specific (#4:, #5:) drive.
- John
S'funny. I thought there might be more interest in a working PDP
system, because everyone complains there are (relatively) fewer of
them left in the Southern California area.
So just a reminder to my esteemed ListDwellers.. I have a big
11/04 system that is free to a good home, details can be read in the
archives under a siliar heading, or e-mail me for details. If there
is no interest, I must part out the system to make room for Other DEC
Stuff.
And also, Thanks to all who have written with advice to my last
round of novice system config questions.
Cheers
John
>> Survey time: How many people have Plus/4s which are not in the box?
[raises hand in the air]
actually my plus/4s completely dead - has anyone got schematics anywhere
or know what commonly went wrong with these machines? (Unfortunately it
was donated to me in a dead state - I've no guarantee that ROMs haven't
been swapped round etc. - can anyone tell me which chips should go in
which sockets just to be sure? :)
(If I power on the machine all I get is a black screen, no meaningful
display of any sort)
>> I've got two in the box (no not in the same box). Were these
>> machines so bad that they were shelved even before the box made it
>> to the trash?
well I must say that the manuals make them sound pretty good, but that
has to be a lie - I mean, how common are these things? (they're
certainly not in the UK anyway!!)
cheers
Jules
>
Ok, so I'd like to make use of the recent discussion we had concerning
hard drive repair and attack the "widget" drive in my Lisa 2/10 to see if
I can bring it back to life. Does anybody know where I can find technical
info on this drive? A web resource that I don't know about perhaps?
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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I picked up a Commodore Pet for old times sake (it was the first desktop
computer I ever got my hands on). Unfortunately a couple of keys are not
responding consistantly. I suspect that some goop got spilled on it at
some point (it was a board of education computer originally). I tried
some head cleaner which has worked for me before but not this time.
Anyone with experience with this with advice?
TIA
colan
I'm interested too but I'm even more geographically challenged (in
Massachusetts).
Tony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: D. Peschel [mailto:dpeschel@u.washington.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 2:19 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: Free 11/04 System
>
>
> > S'funny. I thought there might be more interest in a working PDP
> > system, because everyone complains there are (relatively) fewer of
> > them left in the Southern California area.
>
> I'm interested (but haven't gotten around to replying yet).
>
> Unfortunately, I'm in Seattle :( and shipping the thing would
> be a real pain.
>
> Maybe the timing of your offer is unfortunate for all the
> California people.
>
> -- Derek
>
Just purchased an "Outbound Laptop System". I can't find a power
switch on the unit. Does it use the keyboard to power on?
I don't have the power adapter. What are the specs for it? Can the
Outbound run directly off the adapter or does it need to run off the
battery?
Thanks!
Tom Owad
P.S. A while back there was some discussion concerning Mac Portables.
Paul Kelbaugh of Newport Computer Trading Company has all sorts of Mac
Portable parts & accessories for sale. Phone: 703-861-MACS. Email:
kelbaugh(a)aol.com
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