OK... that's the -last- time I try to write something coherent when it's
the night after a 90-degree day, near midnight, with a temperature still in
the high 70's.
Bob, I must apologize to both you and the list. You caught the brunt of
one of my foulest moods to date. It's all to easy to forget that if the
seller and buyer are both happy with the price, fine. A good deal was struck.
However it's done, keeping vintage machines out of the hands of scrappers
is always a worthy goal. I may not always agree about pricing, but that's me.
I'll see a bunch of you at VCF 2.0. ;-)
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Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272)
(Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
At 04:12 AM 8/14/98 -0400, Doug Spence wrote:
>Yes, it is odd that these models have no serial port. I remember bringing
>this up before about my 1000EX and being told I must've somehow missed
>seeing the port. :)
You mean I'm not crazy for not seeing this "invisible port" everyone was
talking about? :)
BTW, I never did return to the flea market to retreive that 1000 HX. It was
raining, I had the baby with me, it was bad karma all around. Maybe next
year...
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- john higginbotham ____________________________
- webmaster www.pntprinting.com -
- limbo limbo.netpath.net -
This is good. If I'm lucky and things keep going like they are, my Apple
collection, which at original list prices is worth around $60k, should soon be
worth twice that. And, my PS/2 Model 80, which originally listed for $10k, will
bring that price again.
All we can hope for is that this craze will go the way of collectible sports cars --
after a short period of total insanity in which people were willing to pay $90k
OVER LIST PRICE just to get on a waiting list for an Acura NSX or a Viper, the
bottom fell out and nobody wanted to buy them from the morons who paid
double price for 'em.
I just hope that Jag XKE's come down to reality sometime again so I can own
one. And, I'd actually drive the damn thing instead of putting it up on blocks
under a cover in a locked, climate-controlled garage...........
Paul Braun
NerdWare -- The History of the PC and the Nerds who brought it to you.
nerdware(a)laidbak.com
www.laidbak.com/nerdware
< 1. What is the difference between a MicroVAX, VaxStation, and a
< VaxServer?
Everything or nothing depending on model. generally the
vaxserver/microvax have no or minimal video. Vaxstations are the higher
end video console.
< 2. How desirable are these 3100-30's? That is, is there software
< available, or are there any undesirable traits-- e.g. hard
< to upgrade, can only hold xx amout of RAM, etc?
Popular. the rest I cant answer as they are as unPC as they come. the
disks are SCSI and ram is simms(maybe oddball though).
Generally VMS runs in 4mb but 8mb or more is desireable, with 12mb it
sings and 16mb is the max.
< 3. What kind of display does this use? CRT/Keyboard, or terminal?
Varies from a serial terminal to high end color graphics.
<4. How do I tell the disk size, memory size, etc?
Test 50, show device, show mem at the >>> prompt.
< 5. What would be a 'reasonable' price (just a ballpark figure,
< I don't wanna spend $500 on a box that could be had elsewhere
< for $50).
NOT $500! free to 150(loaded). The monitors are worth more than the
systems in some cases.
I'll be selling a few Vaxserver3100 M10es 12meg ram and RZ24l Disk(245mb)
for $60 at MIT FLEA with VMS 5.5 (nolicense but useable for single user
and the DECUS license). This model has no video and uses a regular
terminal (I'm selling VT320s for those that may need).
< 6. Anthing else I should know before committing time/money?
depends on what you know of VAXen and the operating systems that run on
them. (VMS, Ultrix (some not all models), NetBSD netboot, hopefully
scsi support soon).
Allison
I think I can wait ten years for this one, maybe even less if it hits the
market like I think it will. ;)
At 09:20 PM 8/13/98 -0500, Doug Yowza wrote:
>Fascinating; it's a 486 machine that has absolutely nothing to do with a
>C64. Why would anybody in their right mind try to build that association
>for their product?
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- john higginbotham ____________________________
- webmaster www.pntprinting.com -
- limbo limbo.netpath.net -
I agree totally. it's starting to happen around here also. thankfully, ive got
enough stuff already, but am always looking for more. several weeks ago,
someone posted to the list about a coleco adam for sale in nc. i emailed the
person who said ~10 people had bidded on it and she was taking the highest
offer. i was rather surprised as i thought i'd be able to get it for $10 or so
since no one else would be interested in it. I think that the well known
"rare" computers like lisae, altairs, and so forth will inflate in price
first, and then lessor known computers will not for a time, which means stock
up now while prices are still cheap.
In a message dated 98-08-13 19:35:05 EDT, Sam Ismail put forth:
<< We spoke on this topic last year, and I and a couple others prognosticated
that the then somehwat tame trend towards escalating prices for older
computers would reach the levels we are seeing today. It was just a
matter of how fast, and it basically came upon us as fast as I expected it
would. That's why I've been busy loading my garage up with stuff. I knew
well enough to get the goods while the getting's good. Once I've got some
spare time, I can sit back and enjoy tinkering with my (cheaply
accumulated) collection while the newly-interested collectors are
scratching and clawing for that latest "RARE TimexSinclair 1000!!!" on
eBay. >>
Oh, well, thinks like that do happen, and there's not much you can do about
it. I use MS-MAIL, and a lot of times, I don't even GET some of the
messages :-( I hate it, but it's all my computer will run. It seems like
every reader has it's problems.
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
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> From: cdrmool(a)interlog.com
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: FW: Dos v2.11 apology
> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 5:03 AM
>
>
> Sorry for the empty message back a bit. I understand some people were
> annoyed. Let me explain for those who don't use Pine as a mail reader.
> The cancel command ctrl-c and cancel ctrl-x are easy to mix up. Its
about
> as annoying as when using Telix and wanting to shell out (alt-j) and
> accidentally hang up (alt-h). Yes, you are prompted to make sure you want
to
> send after ctrl-x but if your not expecting it, simply expecting to
> cancel, hitting the return is done before the prompt is even seen. Also,
> being a reasonably fast typist leads to mistakes of overconfidence in
what
> has been typed. Remappimg the keyboard would be the obvious answer but
> after once doing so I caused new problems, so I don't bother.
> I promise it will never happen again.
>
> Colan
>
At 03:04 PM 8/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
> Guess I'm sitting on a fortune with my 5 Altairs, but I'd never sell them
> (and I mean that, whereas Jim used to say he'd never sell his either).
Well, if I had an Altair, I think I'd probably put it up for auction -- I
desparately need a new roof, and I can think of a lot of more important
reasons to sell something I wouldn't normally think of selling. Can't
fault him, but I can be envious!
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