--- Tony Duell wrote:
[Re: copying Lisa disks w/o a working Lisa]
I think the only way is to find some other Lisa 'up and running'.
--- end of quote ---
There is another way, I think, using Mac utilities. Mr. Craig sent me several Mac-formatted floppies containing CompactPro archives of disk images of the LOS disks. (Whew! Did you follow that?) He also sent along the older version of Apple's Disk Copy (4.2, I think) which will happily make disks from images it cannot mount. (It also knows to make an 800k floppy be 400k if that's what the original image calls for.) Obviously, somewhere along the line, he was able to make the images from the original Lisa diskettes, but I don't know the details of this -- Disk Copy must be able to make images from weird disks (I know it can do ProDos ones.)
Incidentally, there is a way to de-serialize LOS diskettes using FEdit -- I don't know where your set of disks came from, or whether they've been used. (The LOS install disks have to be un-write-protected because the first time you install the software, the installer reads the Lisa's unique hardware serial number and writes it to the disk for piracy prevention. If you ever try to install the software on another machine, it won't let you.)
What's the matter with your Lisa?
-- MB
In a message dated 98-08-22 15:57:55 EDT, you write:
<< Wow! It's amazing how different a CRT looks after three weeks' break.
I don't even feel like sitting at a computer that much anymore.
Sorry to start off again on a bad foot, but does anyone know why a
certain hard drive of mine won't spin up unless whacked firmly
against a table? Is there anything I can do? This is a laptop drive. >>
stiction. nothing you can do about it.
Let me make an offer (without knowing exactly what I'm getting into...) I
haven't been following this thread too closely because I've never had a Lisa
or even a Mac...until yesterday. I now am the proud (but ignorant) owner of
a fully working 1 MB Lisa 2 (the Mac XL variety) with the 10 meg HD and 3.5"
disk. If given explicit instructions on how to de-serialize, I'd be happy
to make copies of whatever disks you would like. And since I've been short
of time (and I'm lazy!) I'd appreciate a few choice URL's with solid info of
all sorts on the Lisa - less on its history and more on hardware and
software, operational hints, etc.
Bob Stek
bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com
On Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:39:13 -0700 (PDT), Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> wrote:
>>I am confused by this! The MacPortable FAQ says that the drive is a
>>40meg SCSI with a (typically Apple) proprietary interface of 34-pins.
>>But the Pocket PCRef list the CP3045 as an AT/IDE drive. Is that a typo
>>in the PCRef?
Could be a typo in the PCRef. The drive is labeled CP-3045 (with no
suffix character, i.e., A for ATAPI or S for SCSI). It is Apple-labeled and
has an Adaptec-based SCSI controller. Could have Apple taken a stock CP hard
drive and grafted a different controller card onto it? The interface from
the drive hardware to the drive electronics seems to be standard (i.e., an
18-pin pin-header interface), so maybe Apple swapped controllers. It does
have a proprietary SCSI pin-out, though, for which an adapter is available
to connect a sdandard SCSI drive to the portable.
Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com>
- ClubWin/CW7
- MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
- Preserver of "classic" computers
<<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>
>My school had a bunch of Apple ///'s, and also a bunch of Apple ///+'s.
>The ///+'s are definitely marked as that. Unless the "+" got rubbed or
>scraped off of yours...
Nope. That's definately not the case. I guess they're both slight
variants of ///'s. Thanks for the info, everybody.
Tom
--
Sysop of Caesarville Online
Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>
I just purchased an Apple /// and noted some interesting differences
between the new Apple /// and one I've had for a while.
Upon turning on the new ///, it displays some garbage, then beeps and
shows "Diagnostic RAM" on the screen, along with a square pattern of
'.'s. Not until I press "Reset", does the comptuer dead the floppy drive
My old Apple /// (which, BTW, I beleive to have some bad RAM) immediately
starts reading the the floppy drive with no "Diagnostic RAM" or need to
hit "Reset".
Also noted:
The new Apple /// has darker keycaps
The older Apple /// has a shielded "Color Video" Port
On the tags on the bottom of the units:
The older has a place to check off either 64k 96k or 128k (128k is
checked)
The new has a place to check off either 128k or 256k (128k is checked)
I understand there was an upgrade to the Apple /// dubbed the "Apple
///+". I was under the impression the '+' was actually written on the
case. Is this the case, or is it possible my newer unit is a ///+? If
its not, what causes the discrepancy in startup procedure? Just minutely
different versions of the Apple ///, or does the older units bad RAM have
something to do with it?
Thanks!
Tom Owad
--
Sysop of Caesarville Online
Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>
--- Tony Duell wrote:
>
> --- Tony Duell wrote:
> [Re: copying Lisa disks w/o a working Lisa]
> I think the only way is to find some other Lisa 'up and running'.=20
> --- end of quote ---
>
> There is another way, I think, using Mac utilities. Mr. Craig sent =
I would guess that the Mac disk controller would be able to read the
later 3.5" Lisa disks. Of course this doesn't help with the 'twiggy' disks.
--- end of quote ---
Right, but in this case it was specified "Lisa II" which means no Twiggies. (Unless there's some _really_ weird modification happening here...)
;)
-- MB
> The problem is that these requires (obviously) that the disk controller
> can read the data off the disk, at least at the bit/byte level. And Apple
> have always used GCR (Group Code Recording) which is incompatible with
> the FM (single density) or MFM (double density) recording systems used by
> most other manufacturers. I don't know if the Lisa uses GCR encoding, but
> since the Apple ][ and Macs do, it's a reasonable bet that the Lisa does
> likewise.
>
> So, alas, the PC's disk controller can't read bytes off Lisa disks. So
> there's no way to make a copy using a PC.
Aren't there programs that allow PC's to read Apple disks?
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
Wow! It's amazing how different a CRT looks after three weeks' break.
I don't even feel like sitting at a computer that much anymore.
Sorry to start off again on a bad foot, but does anyone know why a
certain hard drive of mine won't spin up unless whacked firmly
against a table? Is there anything I can do? This is a laptop drive.
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I'm looking for some info on old Panasonic plasma displays. For those
of you who have computers that use them for sale, I might be interested
in paying a reasonable price for one just to get a working display so I
can measure the voltages and get all of them working. I have the
controllers for the touchscreen and would especially like to get that
working.
(Forward of message I also sent to Panasonic and ELO:)
Shawn T. Rutledge wrote:
>
> I have a couple of old Matsushita/Panasonic plasma displays (about 10
> years old I think). One of them has an Elo touch screen. I was
> wondering if you happen to have the power supply voltages for the plasma
> displays? The power connector on one has 3 pins, and on the other has 4
> pins but only 3 of them are hooked up to wires on the cable. The
> polarity is marked, but not the voltages themselves, only "high voltage"
> vs. "low voltage" and I'm wondering how high is high?
>
> One display has the numbers
> MD400F640PD5
> 9.5.3 C:153536
>
> The other:
> MD400F640PD4
> 8.1.2 T-7050
>
> Or, if all else fails, can you tell me what kind of computer these would
> have been used in? maybe I can find some archives on that or find one
> of the computers for sale somewhere. (I'm suspecting a Compaq
> lunchbox?)
