Russ Blakeman:
> blindpete(a)stratos.net wrote:
>> I was talking to a few friends and we wore wondering what the earliest
>> versions of micro soft's dos and windows was.
>> The earlies version of windows I have herd of is windows 2.0, I also think
>> there was a windows whith out a version number.
>> The earlies version of dos I herd about was dos1.1 or some thing like that,
>> it has been a while so I'am a byt fogggy on it.
>> I am currious about the software because I wonder how well or pore it
>> worked whith speech.
> Dos 1.25 is the earliest version for general distributuion, previous versions
> were too buggy, same as DOS 2.0, the 2.11 was the distribution standard when
> double sided drives came out.
Nop. There have been at least 2 major public releases
other than 1.25. 1.0 and 1.1. 1.0 was the first public
release for the IBM PC and 1.1 added new disk types.
1.1 and 1.25 are almost identical - 1.1 was the IBM
version, 1.25 the OEM version.
If you're searching old versions (maybe prior to 1.25)
you should look for things like Z-DOS (Zenith), 86-DOS
(back licensed MS-DOS to Seatle Computer products),
SB-86 (Lifeboat Associates) or COMPAQ-DOS (guess who :).
Maybe a bunch of other names I don't recall right
now, since MS licenced it to any 8088/8086 computer
manufacturer available.
DOS 1.x was still machine dependant, since the BIOS had
to met the hardware. DOS 2.0 and up added new disk types
and loadabel device driver.
With 2.0 Microsoft tried to establish their own trademark
MS-DOS as OS and scraped all OEM licences or at least tried
to cut of the different names. After 2.0 only IBM kept the
private name of PC DOS.
Gruss
H.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
Thanks, this helps greatly!
Now to find parts...
Tony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Yowza [mailto:yowza@yowza.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 8:56 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: C128 Service Manual
>
>
> On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Zane H. Healy wrote:
>
> > >Anyone know where I can get one? I'm gonna try to fix a C128 that I
> > >bought and need one badly :)
> >
> > I can't remember the URL, but there is a web site in Europe
> that has most
> > of the old Commodore 8-bit manuals online.
>
> Hasn't anybody heard of bookmarks? :-)
> http://nic.funet.fi/pub/cbm/index.html
>
> -- Doug
>
D'oh!
I downloaded the schematics and am trying to figure out what's up with
this thing. Strange thing is the part marked Funt. ROM (U 36 I think) is
empty! I'm wondering if this is supposed to be the case.
Tony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 7:46 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: C128 Service Manual
>
>
> >
> > Anyone know where I can get one? I'm gonna try to fix a C128 that I
> > bought and need one badly :)
>
> I beleive the commodore schematics are on an ftp site somewhere
> (ftp.funet.fi????). I have the C128 service manual but it's only the
> schematics and parts lists and doesn't contain any step-by-step
> diagnostics, alas.
>
> >
> > Tony
>
> -tony
>
My first chance to boast of:
California Computer Systems S-100
KayPro II
NorthStar Horizon w/ Televideo 912
NorthStar Advantage 8/16 (very dead)
VIC 20
Apple II+
Apple IIc
Apple IIe
IBM PC
IBM PC XT
IBM PC AT
IBM PC Jr.
Apple Lisa 2
Radio Shack CoCo
ProcTech SOL-20
Bob Stek
bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com
Well, the computer repair company I worked for used to do alot of LCD and
laptop repair. Alot of times the lines are either easy to fix problems w/
cables and little wire connectors, and other times they are just on their
way out ( i repaired servers and desktops so I never got to dabble :/ ) in
any case, a good place that does *VERY* reasonable LCD and laptop repair is
Matrix International, which i believe is www.matrixintl.com, or... I've
forgotten the phone #, but they are in Austin TX. they used to do flat rate
LCD repair for us for 125 a system.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Saturday, July 11, 1998 10:39 PM
Subject: LCD repair
>OK, hardware gurus, how about some remote diagnostic help: PowerBook 160
>(my first and only Mac), a bunch of black vertical lines of varying width
>on the LCD (different patterns on the two panels that make up the
>display), but otherwise the display looks good (all the bits in the right
>place).
>
>Video RAM? LCD controller? Cable problem on the laptop side? Cable
>problem on the LCD side? Bad LCD? Repair FAQ?
>
>I have a volt meter, a logic probe, a fear of high current, but I enjoy
>the occassional high voltage zap. What's my next move?
>
>-- Doug
>
Picked up at a yard sale today, in Framingham, Ma.
IBM P/S 2, Model 50Z
On-Site Computer Systems box... Unit seems to have two hard
disk drives, that, on the outside, remind me of the old RD54
(I think) that used to be in the old DEC PRO-350's, two LPT
ports, and one serial port. Also a 5 3/4" floppy drive...
Anyone ever heard of these people, or know anything about their
stuff?
3 Monitors, one NEC, one Samsung, and one Tandy.
A Citizen MSP-20 printer..
Cost of this "rescue" US 20$, and the people even helped
load it into my car..
Now to sort it all out, and see "what works, and what don't".
Will
< > What we now need is for some brave person (me, Allison???) to take a
< > number of old (and dead) drives, make a clean box, pull them apart,
< > document everything, and write a repair manual....
To date I've successfuly opened and fixed maxtor2190s and Micropolus 1325s
wit HDA difficulties. I've run a RD52 with the cover off as a demonstration
and I have somewhere a 16 year old st506 with a lexan topcover for viewing.
It all boils down to what was the failure and is it fixable. The latter
can be hard as platter assemblies and generally "glued and screwed" and
tend to be hard to get apart. Heads are small fine things easily broken.
If the media is scared it's a total as the metal will be everywhere and
some fo the metal like the head cantelever is steel so all that steel dust
is now in the magnet assembly for the positioner... Not impossible but
there is a certain amount of pick and choose in which one to fix.
Allison
< Well, I think that the default lack of floppy drive was a mistake, as
No it was still costly.
< was the lack of RAM. I'm not sure what year it is, but I believe 640K
< was standard by then. Also, I have the Getting Started manual for the
That would be a few years later.
< >Apart from the IR keyboard, which was a mistake ;-), it's basically a
< PC
< >without the DMA chip, but with better-than-CGA graphics. What's wrong
< >with it?
Since the average XT PC doesn't use DMA very intelligently anyway it was
not much loss.
Allison
It's called the "Rock City", by the Panda Project.
www.rockcity.net,
and www.pandaproject.com
pretty cool and reasonably cheap machine; they have a new Dec Alpha 533 box.
wireless keyboard, LCD display, etc.
sorry for the off topic reply :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 3:10 PM
Subject: fake NeXT
>I was peeking into the Popular Science at the supermarket yesterday, and
>I noticed a peculiar entry in "What's New": a computer shaped like a
>black cube, the size of a NeXT cube, but balanced on one corner with
>little feet supporting it. It's made of aluminum and is just a regular
>PC. Next to it, it had an LCD panel and keyboard. The case was much
>uglier than the NeXT, and I don't quite know the reason for making it a
>cube - it doesn't support four motherboards or anything! Just thought
>you people might be interested.
>
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