I'll bring it back on topic: Spinrite is some powerful hoodoo. I used it
alot on Seagate ST-225 drives. I'm never one to use any questionable
sectors though: Some of those drives had less than 10mb when I was through
with them. I don't trust iffy sectors.
At 08:06 PM 7/14/98 -0500, Poesie wrote:
>version 5, i got version 4 for about 20 bucks. This is kind of off-topic and
>doesn't cover a whole lot of you out there, but when you buy a box of 100
>drives that are all "bad", you can sometimes salvage quite a few of them.
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At 01:42 AM 7/15/98 +0100, Tony Duell wrote:
>My rule is that if it's possible to get a user program in there, it's a
>computer. Yes there are marginal cases, but who cares. This is not a 'who's
>got the most computers' competition, now is it?
It's not??? Dang! I thought I was a shoe in for mister congeneality!!! :)
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If you are removing a head arm and working on it, you can wrap
everything but the actual connection in clean plastic. I wouldn't expect
smoke particles to magically fall off the arm onto the platter, even if
the arm is upside down. Plus, smoke travels upwards, and I would expect
little of it to settle if you use a fan or something. As soon as you
finish soldering, take it back to the clean box, and put it inside to
let it cool off or to reassemble (unless it's still smoking). As for
doing activities which involve platters, that's a trickier thing. I have
no idea what you would do if you had a problem with the motor or the
axle on which the platters are mounted.
Now, my question. Let's say a single head crashes. This would raise up
some dust off the platter, right? Would it be possible to recover the
material that wasn't destroyed by the dragging head? What if this
deformed the platter?
>Serious question. What do you do if you need to resolder a head
>connection or something? Do you remove the head assembly from the clean
>box, solder it, clean if off with IPA, put it back in the clean box and
>reassemble or what? I can't believe you want flux smoke in the HDA.
>
>> Philip.
>
>-tony
>
>
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well, I personally have never opened up a hard drive, if nothing else
because I've never had an extra to pop open (i'm too frugal. hehe.)
Regardless, I have found the program "Spinrite" to work great on IDE
drives; it goes through and can fix bad sectors, or mark them totally
unusable. this really differs from standard formats/etc, because I've been
able to take drives w/ 30mb of bad sectors and get it to 0 bad sectors, and
still running fine w/ no problems after a year. i believe they are on
version 5, i got version 4 for about 20 bucks. This is kind of off-topic and
doesn't cover a whole lot of you out there, but when you buy a box of 100
drives that are all "bad", you can sometimes salvage quite a few of them.
-Eric
In a message dated 98-07-14 11:45:07 EDT, tony duell put forth:
<< > BTW, how common are PC-jr machines without floppies? Were most of them
> upgraded? >>
all pcjr machines came with 128k and one floppy drive. i have seen "second
story" units that add another floppy drive. it seems to be there used to be an
aftermarket for the jr, but a hot-rodded one still wouldnt be as good as a
standard xt though. a popular modification was to bring the machine up to 640k
by soldering in some dip chips in the 128k add on sidecar thing. i believe IBM
has a file on the www searchfiles page that still tells how to do this.
david
The actual sensor is a sealed unit, just like a transistor or a vacuum
tube. You don't even have to tell anybody :)
>don't believe the small amount of Am241 in the average smoke detector
is
>that dangerous if handled carefully, but I can see some people getting
>very upset if they found I was stripping down smoke detectors and
>modifying them. And I don't need that sort of hassle.
>
>-tony
>
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Well, I think that the default lack of floppy drive was a mistake, as
was the lack of RAM. I'm not sure what year it is, but I believe 640K
was standard by then. Also, I have the Getting Started manual for the
PCjr. It's supposed to be a technical reference with specs, and details
on how to prepare it for shipping (like in the IBM PC manual of the same
name), but instead it has childish junk on how to use cursor keys (it
has a little cartridge game called the keyboard adventure, with a little
guy that can move around). Techinicians reeely don't like that.
>Apart from the IR keyboard, which was a mistake ;-), it's basically a
PC
>without the DMA chip, but with better-than-CGA graphics. What's wrong
>with it?
>
>In some ways the lack of a DMA chip is a good thing. There are the
right
>signals on the expansion bus to add one, with the result that an
>expansion module can take over the bus. The PC bus doesn't allow that.
>
>-tony
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>or blue I don't consider it a "real" computer. When DEC went to the
>black racks and purple lettering (hmm, early 70s?) that was too radical
>for me, I was glad to see a return to the traditional beige rack.
The 19" racks were generally black... there were attachments to the
top of them which were different colors. The purple series was
indicative of the pdp-11s (which match the time-frame). I've seen them
both with beige side-panels and black side-panels...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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Maybe I'll provide my full list in a later message, but for now, you
can check my 'home_systems' page off my home page...
>> DIGI-COMP 1 (an educational toy from 1963)
>
>Way cool. I had access to one in high school, to play with, but I never
>owned one. I've written to Edmund Scientific. They get the occasional
>letter inquiring about the DigiComp 1, but so far, not enough interest
>to resurrect the product.
I concur... way cool. I remember when I was in fifth grade or so, my
father ordered one for me. When he received it, he thought it was too
complex and simply put it away. One day I came across it, and before
he came home that night I had assembled it and was working on some of
the programming examples.
I have a set of documentation for it (sent to me by someone a few years
ago) and I would LOVE to get one for my collection...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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At 06:41 PM 7/14/98 GMT, you wrote:
>> I was just wondering, how many computers do all you have out there???
>
Not many, 10 to 20, and some I don't know if to count, such as
pc boards with a 6802, 2716, and 2 6821 ic's. I think they came from a cash
register system. Others like XT motherboards...
1. Mixed brand S-100 System. Either Flashwriter display or serial to Heatkit
H19 terminal. Extra crate and misc cards.
2. Various PC clones. I am using a 386 now. No Pentiums or higher.
3. A few Z-80 test computers. 8 or so ic's on a single board.
4. 80188 board computer for "Radio Electronics" Robot.
5. Homebrew game of "life" computer. (1973)
6. Calculator built from neon bulb "shift register counters". Input is a
rotary telephone dial. I think subtraction was "1's complements". (about 1968)
Interesting peripherals from late 1970's when I was going a lot.
1. SWTP CT-1024 modified for 64 columns and graphics. Hope to get this
working again with some computer.
2. Sylvanhills flat bed plotter. Used DC motors and opto-interruptor wheels
which I replaced with stepper motors.
3. Stepper motor 3 axis wax carver. Used cylindrical coordinates. The wax block
rotated on a turntable.
Literature, including
First 7 years of Byte.
First few years of Dr. Dobbs, the bound volumes, I didn't keep the
individual issues.
2 of the Creative Computer games books.
10 issues of "Computer Hobbyist", I have just found the remaining issues.
Documentation for Scelbi 8H and other 8008 stuff.
Other construction type books.
Various parts, including a box of RTL ic's, 1101 memory's.
There apparently was an ad in 1967 "CQ" for an RTL computer.
>> DIGI-COMP 1 (an educational toy from 1963)
>
>Way cool. I had access to one in high school, to play with, but I never
>owned one. I've written to Edmund Scientific. They get the occasional
>letter inquiring about the DigiComp 1, but so far, not enough interest
>to resurrect the product.
Yes, it would be fun to find things like this. I still have the 3 potentiometer
"analog" computer I built for some science fair. The Digicomp I cost $5.95
in 1969 from Edmund Sci. Others were various mechanical (Dr. Nim) and
electronic NIM players, Computers like "Brainac", and later in 1971, a
National Radio Institute computer
using 53 TTL ic's. Have seen only ad's. A RCA projects book I have has a
"slot machine" built from individual transistors for flip flops, gates,
multivibrators, etc. It "computed" the score, so was a calculator of sorts.
Speaking of books,
has anyone seen the book "We Built our own Computers" by A.B. Holt,
Cambridge Univ. Press, published about 1966.
-Dave