> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave dameron <ddameron(a)earthlink.net>
> >Speaking of books,
> >has anyone seen the book "We Built our own Computers" by A.B. Holt,
> >Cambridge Univ. Press, published about 1966.
If anybody in the UK is interested in getting this book, I saw a copy
of this recently (two or three pounds) and I'm happy to go back for
it.
Phil
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I'm going to be visiting the silicon valley area and I'd appreciate any tips
on where to look for interesting old computer gear.
This is a one-time visit so if you're afraid of spreading the word around on
your favorite spots, send me email instead of posting to the list, I won't
tell anyone your secrets, I swear!
thanks,
Kai
Allison (>>) and Tony (>) wrote:
>> media you may pit it some or at least remagnetize a small area, disaster
>> for servo tracks.
>>
>> FYI/note: Why do ALL drives spin up then load the heads? It's to allow
>
> A lot of winchesters land the heads on the platter - and not always in a
> special 'landing zone'. This implies the heads start flying as the disk
> gets up to speed.
>
> It also implies that the heads can land on the platter without damage. On
> the other hand, there's a difference between the landing when the drive
> spins down, and crashing due to hitting a dust particle.
>
>> the airflow from the spinning media to establish the clean airflow inside
>> the drive. Also any dust on the active portion of the media spins off the
>> media and is then captured in a filter.
>
> Agreed...
A lot has been said about dust in hard drives, most of it assuming that
the dust is dry. But only one person (sorry, can't remember who) has
talked about other things.
Remember, not all pollutants are dry. Some (water, spittle) are wet,
and some are quite sticky (ever parked your car under lime trees?).
These will mess a hard drive up something cruel!
Yes, if you take reasonable precautions, you may well be OK. But one
day, if you haven't got a clean room, you will come to grief...
BTW, I have two questions. What does HEPA stand for? And (Christian
will parobably be able to answer this) how do you grade clean rooms? I
take it it has something to do with the size of the largest particles
you'll find in the air and/or how many of them you have...
Oh yes. I take it "Tobacco for chewing only" goes without saying ;-)
Philip.
THe site is www.pandaproject.com. The reason why your suggestion won't
work is that the drives are right in one of the corners.
>Hmmm... Seems to me that two PC's stacked on top of each other is just
>about a cube. So, why not a case that has two motherboards, with an
>integral Monitor/kb/mouse switch...
>
>
> _______________
> ||--- ||
> ||--- ||
> ||--- ||
> || [ ] ---||
> || [ ] ---||
> || [ ] ---||
> ---------------
> ^ ^ ^
> | | \
> | \ ---- Mobo 2 with Exp Cards
> \ ---- Drives (Shared Floppy?)
> ---- Mobo 1, with Exp Cards
>
>
>Okay, so maybe there isn't any point or anything, but I still think
it's a
>cool idea... Hmmm... Mac on one side, PC on the other?
>
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The 4066/XE's belong to the US Government. From what I understand,
when an agency excesses a machine it is up for grabs by any other
federal agency, then state agency, local government, schools etc.
until it is sold at GSA auction which is where you should look.
Marty
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Subject: Re: Dell 4066/XE info needed
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Date: 7/16/98 9:19 AM
Marty wrote:
> Not that I'm aware of. We are supporting a couple hundred Dell 4066/XE
> Interactive Unix servers which are at the end of their life cycle and
> being replaced by Compaq Proliant 2500 and 5000 servers. We have one
> in-house 4066/XE for building root drives for field servers. All other
> times the 4066/XE sleeps.
What (tell me please) are you/they doing with the XE's as they are replaced? I
would love to get sme parts such as a Pentium upgrade board to make it a
45xx/XE
as well as drive rails, hard drives, hard drive mounts, etc and I wouldn't
even
mind considering some for purchase if reasonable enough. Sure they are heavy
but
in the process of messing with this one I thought what agreat machine for a
local church group that runs 15-20 machines and has limited funds, to be able
to
run their homeschool machines with the same software available.
I guess I ought to take this to private email as well....
> Marty
>
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> Subject: Re: Dell 4066/XE info needed
> Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
> Date: 7/16/98 8:44 AM
>
> Marty wrote:
>
> > Found an easy path to the info you need:
> >
> > 1. Access www.dell.com
>
> Marty is your Phoenix bios in your 4066/XE at A17? This is supposed to fix
a
> lot of
> things including some sort of Y2K bug. Just installed it and it works
nearly
> invisible. It's on Dell's web site or FTP as 4xxXEA17.EXE
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Oh man! Talk about a day late... I "donated" a whole ton of Amiga
mice/keyboards to a friend when I moved from Chicago to Boston.
Tony
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:53 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Amiga Mice (and Atari)
>
>
> At 06:55 PM 7/7/98 +0100, you wrote:
> >> >Also, are the keyboard and mouse PC-compatible?
> >>
> >> Alas, no. The keyboard will run you about $60, and the
> mouse about $15.
>
> There seems to be a guy who posts Amiga/Atari mice for sale pretty
> regularly on the Antique Computers section of Haggle (or it
> may be either
> Workstations or Other Computers); I think they sell for about
> $15. There's
> also a woman (Brenda Watson?) who sells Atari mice; I bought
> one and it
> seems fine. No connection, yada yada yada.
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 8:24 PM
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> Subject: Places to visit in Silicon Valley?
>
>
> I'm going to be visiting the silicon valley area and I'd
> appreciate any tips
> on where to look for interesting old computer gear.
>
> This is a one-time visit so if you're afraid of spreading the
> word around on
> your favorite spots, send me email instead of posting to the
> list, I won't
> tell anyone your secrets, I swear!
>
> thanks,
>
> Kai
>
Not that I'm aware of. We are supporting a couple hundred Dell 4066/XE
Interactive Unix servers which are at the end of their life cycle and
being replaced by Compaq Proliant 2500 and 5000 servers. We have one
in-house 4066/XE for building root drives for field servers. All other
times the 4066/XE sleeps.
Marty
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Subject: Re: Dell 4066/XE info needed
Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 7/16/98 8:44 AM
Marty wrote:
> Found an easy path to the info you need:
>
> 1. Access www.dell.com
Marty is your Phoenix bios in your 4066/XE at A17? This is supposed to fix a
lot of
things including some sort of Y2K bug. Just installed it and it works nearly
invisible. It's on Dell's web site or FTP as 4xxXEA17.EXE
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-----Original Message-----
From: dave dameron <ddameron(a)earthlink.net>
>Speaking of books,
>has anyone seen the book "We Built our own Computers" by A.B. Holt,
>Cambridge Univ. Press, published about 1966.
Yes, I've got it here (bought as part of a $3 per bag haul from a charity
book sale a month ago).
You are right about year and publisher, but the "author" was Bolt, not
Holt - it is part of a series called School Mathematics Project Handbooks
and A.B Bolt actually lists himself as "supervisor" of 6 Exeter School 6th
form boys who actually wrote the book.
It describes a binary adder, a NIM machine, a noughts and crosses machine
....
I see a few other replies, so that it is not all that rare :(
- but what exactly did you want to know for?
Phil Guerney
Brisbane, Australia
Found an easy path to the info you need:
1. Access www.dell.com
2. Click on the SUPPORT wrench at the top of the home page.
3. Click on TROUBLESHOOT YOUR DELL SYSTEM
4. Now you will be prompted to HELP US IDENTIFY YOUR SYSTEM <or>
OR SELECT YOUR SYSTEM MODEL. Under SELECT YOUR SYSTEM MODEL
click on the last choice, All Other Product Lines.
5. Under All Other Product Lines, click on 80486.
6. Now you will see 80486 highlighted in black on the left of the
screen. On the right side click on the second choice from the top
which is 40XX/XE and you will finally be there.
The address is http://www.dell.com/support/tech/dta/4000XE/index.htm
By the way, the Dell 4066/XE is a great server, very reliable and well
built from my experience.
Marty
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Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 7/13/98 1:09 PM
Been there, done that. I got driver files but nothing more. Will have to dig a
little further I guess....Nice machine though, but big enough to put a cushion
on use for a couch :-)
Marty wrote:
> At http:/www.dell.com you will find everything you need although you
> will need to do some digging as Dell seems to change this site and the
> method to find info every six months. Anyway, you will find
> troubleshooting info, tech specs, jumper settings, illustrations, etc.
>
> Marty
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> Subject: Dell 4066/XE info needed
> Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
> Date: 7/11/98 11:10 PM
>
> Just picked up a Dell 4066/XE 486DX2 server unit, complete. It has EISA
> slots, tons of drive slots, etc...It is in a BIG case!!....
>
> Anyone possibly have a manual for one of these? I'd like to buy one, pay
> for a copy, get a scan over the net, something. With all of you that
> work in corporate business someone might have one, or know of an online
> text or PDF copy.
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