Well, 32-bit is more than Windows 95, which is only partially 32-bit, to
ensure Windows 3.1 compatibility. NT's full-blown 32-bit, so is Linux ,
Solaris, HP-UX, SGI Irix...
Anyway, beats 16-bitters... ;-)
BTW, to make this on topic, when did Macs make the transition to 32-bit, or
were all 32 bit from day one?
Ciao,
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Wish <bwish(a)pcfa.org>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Thursday, June 04, 1998 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Atari hard drives?
>> >Everyone on this list predates the PC, except for maybe that Seagraves
>> >punk.
>>
>> And Tim Hotze, Max Eskin.... anybody else?
>
>Don't forget me! I'm from 1982, so does that make me IBM compatible?
>32-bit isn't all that great, especially considering Win'95... ;-)
One of my recent finds was a Radius Full Page monitor. I has a 9pin Dshell
F video socket. It's like a 14 " set on it's side. Does anyone have any info on
this beast ? Drivers, what it was used with, etc.
ciao larry
lwalker(a)interlog.com
"Lawrence Walker" <lwalker(a)mail.interlog.com> wrote:
> One of my recent finds was a Radius Full Page monitor. I has a 9pin Dshell
> F video socket. It's like a 14 " set on it's side. Does anyone have any info on
> this beast ? Drivers, what it was used with, etc.
Mac. I've seen one on what I think was a IIcx (maybe IIci), and
another on on my mother's Mac Plus. The IIc[xi] interface is a NuBus
card. The Plus interface is a daughterboard contrivance that sits
atop the 68000 on the Plus mainboard (and hooks up with springs to a
couple of other signals); it brings the video out through the security
slot on the back of the Plus.
I'd like to find a service manual for the monitor (and associated
clues for my brain); Mom's is going kind of funny in one of those ways
where the horizontal sync seems to change a bit after it warms up a
while, and is sensitive to brightness. I opened it up over Christmas
and adjusted it so it's usable (also rebuilt the PS in the Plus
following directions in Larry Pina's book, so now the internal monitor
works again) but expect that it's running on borrowed time.
On the other hand, maybe it'd be easier to buy Mom a not-so-classic
computer. She's decided that the Plus is slow.
-Frank McConnell
At 05:00 PM 6/2/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>> Final Demo of the Xerox Star Workstation
>>> 5:30 to 7:00pm
>>> Wednesday June 17th
>>> Auditorium Xerox PARC
>
>For those from the Bay Area who plan to attend: Anyone want to get together
>for a beer afterwards? Might be fun to meet some of the disembodied voices
>on the list.
If I can get there, I'd love to... (But I usually leave work in Walnut
Creek at around 7pm...)
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roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
At 01:24 PM 6/2/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Someone needs to update the gateway where these people are getting on and
>explain to them that however they are posting these messages, it will in
>fact get distributed to the list. They then need to realize that they are
>also being subscribed (I assume).
I strongly suspect that these nitwi... er, uninformed guests are doing
searches, finding one of the web pages where classiccmp is archived, and
sending a reply to the (list) address. Not much one can do, I suppose.
(Of course, everyone on the list replies, and the replies go to the list,
not the poster.)
I doubt very much that they're being subscribed to the list.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
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roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
I want to backup the RL02 packs that I got this weekend, so I've put the
RL02 controller in one of my VAXen, and attached a RL02 drive. I've copied
two of them to the VAX and then transfered them to a Linux box. The first
one booted just fine, and I'm honestly not sure about the second one.
Now I'm wondering two things, first off, how do I go about restoring these
if I manage to royally mess up things on one of the packs, and two, are the
errors shown below normal? The bit about DLA0: not being completely copied
worries me.
Zane
$ dismount dla0:
$ show dev d
Device Device Error Volume Free
Trans Mnt
Name Status Count Label Blocks
Count Cnt
DLA0: Online 0
DUB1: Mounted 0 VAXVMSV055 23214
147 1
DUB2: Online 0
$ mount/for dla0:
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, RSX11M mounted on _DLA0:
$ copy dla0: rsx11m.dsk/log
%COPY-W-INCOMPAT, _DLA0:[].; (input) and SYS$SYSROOT:[000000]RSX11M.DSK;1
(outpu
t) have incompatible attributes
%COPY-E-READERR, error reading _DLA0:[].;
-RMS-F-RER, file read error
-SYSTEM-F-ILLBLKNUM, illegal logical block number
%COPY-W-NOTCMPLT, _DLA0:[].; not completely copied
$
$ show dev d
Device Device Error Volume Free
Trans Mnt
Name Status Count Label Blocks
Count Cnt
DLA0: Mounted alloc 0 RSX11M 0
1 1
foreign
DUB1: Mounted 0 VAXVMSV055 2733
147 1
DUB2: Online 0
$
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator |
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| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
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| For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. |
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-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Rutledge <ecloud(a)goodnet.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: Atari hard drives? The actual Atari Answer :)
>> Okay gang. I just can't take it, I gotta help this guy become an atarian.
:)
>> Okay, this is what; you need. You need an ATSCI to SCSI converter
>
>OK, but what to do with the system that takes an ST-506 interface drive? I
just
>need to know if I can substitute, say, an ST-251, and how to do the
low-level
>format (if necessary).
To my knowledge all drives that are MFM are ST506 interface.As far as the
lowleveling you just gonna have to play with it. Chances are the BIOS in
that controller you have was only designed for one specifice drive. i'd just
through one in and try to format it, and see what happens. Chances are it
will just use it at the old settings, Better to through in a drive with
paramaters larger than the old drive that way you won't damage it buy using
it at a lower capapcity. If it were my machine, I'd go with the SCSI ICD
controller personally. Best thing would be to try to dig up another drive
like that one. But that drive he has should have come with a utility disk.
If you go to irc.stelath.net and join #atari. They will probably know more
than me, They are also very helpful. as far as the memory goes, I've never
played with a 540, but I could still do everything I do now when my 1040 had
only 1meg. If you search on Yahoo for ATARI a lot of european sites will
come up. The Big on you want is the STING home page. STing is the Atari ST
TCPIP stack. On that page are links to all the other software you will ever
need. This computer is still very popular and supported in Europe. The 540
part concerns me though, but you might be able to get buy.
Ethernet, at this point is still out of the question so far. There is
supposedly an ATASCI ethernet adapter, but I have personally never seen one,
and they run for more than 500.00 so Im told.
Even if you only have 512K you can for sure use it for IRC, and Mail. I
think you need a meg to do the browsing. But systems for tomorrow will know
about what you can upgrade to what. They might even give you a credit for a
trade. Like I said, I traded my extra 1040 for an ICD controller. There are
also all kinds of MODS for these machines, they were popular enough, alot of
folks have made home brew modifications for them that have been tested and
work. If you go to the #atari channel on irc.stealth.net, tell them TheDM
sent you and you will assuredly get some help, Look for SWE, or DRACO, or
evl, or MRATARI. They are all very knowledgable and helped me alot. If you
see Flinny, he wrote STik, the other TCPIP stack. if you see LB he wrote the
ATari IRC client himself, another good resource. IM telling you, this
machine is COOL!
If you need more information, email me privately and I will give you my
phone number and we can talk some. Where are you located anyways?
>
>> controller. The most common for the ST series is made by ICD. They can
still
>> be had from ICD but they are around 79.00. There is an Atari dealer,
yes,
>> dealer, amazing in my area. [KCMO] Their home page is
>> www.systemsfortomorrow.com. They are a great bunch of guys and I got my
ICD
>> SCSI controller for them for a 1040 Swap. [I had two]. But he has a few
used
>> ones and can get you one if you want. This machine is very worth
spending
>> the money to get a HD for.
>
>What are your killer apps to make it worthwhile?
>
>I figured maybe I could at least use it for a web browser in my bedroom or
>something, since it's mostly complete and working. So so far it looks like
>I need this special hard drive adapter. Is ethernet doable? If I upgrade
>the RAM what kind do I need? (It's a 540, not a 1040.)
>
>> My 1040ste I have upgraded to 4 megs, it has a
>> 14.4 modem and a quantum 105lps scsi HD on. It will currently connect to
>> the internet, and i mean with PPP an PAP authentication, will do IRC,
FTP,
>> Popmail and graphically surf all via freeware. Please let me know if I
can
>> be of any assistance.
>
>
>--
> _______ KB7PWD @ KC7Y.AZ.US.NOAM
ecloud(a)goodnet.com
> (_ | |_) Shawn T. Rutledge on the web:
http://www.goodnet.com/~ecloud
> __) | |
\__________________________________________________________________
>* quantize the universe * 808 State * virtual reality * mad science *
I'm younger than the Mac... came out the same year the 386. Guess that
means that I'm 32 bit!
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Peacock <peacock(a)simconv.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Thursday, June 04, 1998 12:03 AM
Subject: RE: Atari hard drives?
>
><[Everyone predates the PC, except for me...]
><I'm from 1978, same year VAX was invented.
><The PC is from 76, right? I'm not too far off...
><-------
>
>
>Hmmm, then I predate the S/360, the Bendix G-1, maybe even the IBM 650
>(did it come out before 1955?).
> Jack Peacock
>(even old enough to remember the Univac NBC/Huntley & Brinkley used for
>1960 election night)
<[Everyone predates the PC, except for me...]
<I'm from 1978, same year VAX was invented.
<The PC is from 76, right? I'm not too far off...
<-------
Hmmm, then I predate the S/360, the Bendix G-1, maybe even the IBM 650
(did it come out before 1955?).
Jack Peacock
(even old enough to remember the Univac NBC/Huntley & Brinkley used for
1960 election night)
<As I recall, the proper name for the Shugart 506 interface became a
<proto-standard called SASI, and is a direct ancestor to SCSI. Though
<it's a bit hard to recognize the grandparent in the children's faces.
No not correct. SASI did become SCSI but SASI is not ST506. ST506 is a
raw device interface that is actually a graduate of the floppy interface
for 5.25 floppies and closer to that. SASI/SCSI is a higher level
parallel bus with arbitration and other features. the biggest difference
is that ST506 assumes no intelligence in the drive and SCSI/SASI assumes
some intelligence at the slave.
SASI Shugart Associates System interconnect
The offered that as an interface from the sa4000 drives to a
interconnect bus. Others that offered similar boards were Xybec
Western Digital and Adaptec. Ampro and others would formalize
SASI to SCSI.
SCSI Small computer System interconect
Used to interconnect intelligent DISKs, TAPES, and CDROMS mostly. It
can be used to interconnect systems and offers high data rates.
ST506 the raw device (drive) interconnect used initially by Shugart for
hard disks and was adopted by others. The basic interface is serial
data and the disks data rate on seperate connector using rs422 balanced
lines. Control signals like step, direction, head select were on another
cable that is bussed liek those for floppies. It's limits were up
to 8 heads (later 16) and 5MbS data rate. EDSI was an outgrowth of
this.
Allison
