<From: "Hotze" <photze(a)batelco.com.bh>
<Hi. Now, I don't want to start a flamewar, but still, Microsoft HAS play
<an important part in personal computing, for better or for worse. From 1
<or so onwards, they were a industry dominator.
First off your dates are grossly in error. MS in the persona of Gates
was involved in putting basic on the altair via MITS. When CP/M was
gaining ground as the dominent 8080/z80 OS microsoft was the dominent
language supplier. The majik system was a z80 running cp/m and MSbasic
compiler, MAC and L80, and maybe Multiplan.
<for say... the Apple II? PDP's? UN*X boxes (once again, omitting curren
<ports of IE 4.0)?
Apple: Apple softcard combind package of CP/M and MS languges and a z80.
TRS80: Disk basic.
PDP-11: Didn't MS do a unix varient?
UNix... they did have a hand in a PC unix and apps for it.
Allison
I just acquired an XT with a grey case bearing the logo "Industrial
Computer". Seems normal inside. Anyone ever heard of one?
I also got
2 Compaq XT luggables.
Some 286 RAMPAGE cards
Tons of XT and AT parts
e-mail me privately if you're looking for something.
manney(a)lrbcg.com
At 06:46 PM 6/15/98 +0100, Tony Duell wrote:
>Another microsoft product which I've not seen mentioned here yet was, of
>course, the Microsoft mouse for PCs (and later those Microsoft keyboards)
Those bus mice? I worked on a friend's machine that had one: A Xerox XT
class running Windows 1.0. 640x400x2 mode I believe. Oh yeah, they were
called Inport Bus mice, ran off their own 8-bit card. Not a bad mouse for
it's time.
-
- john higginbotham ____________________________
- webmaster www.pntprinting.com -
- limbo limbo.netpath.net -
I gues these are the equivalent of prototypes in the publishing industry.
Francois
-------------------------------------------------------------
Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Unusual find
>At 07:19 PM 6/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>I just found a book Titled Odyssey Pepsi to Apple by John Sculley. It is
the
>>advance copy from uncorrected manuscript.
>>How often do anyone of you run into that kind of print?
>
> I rarely see this kind of thing, but I do have a book titled "Marching
>Thru Georgia" that was published in the 1800s that has *three* hard covers
>on it and all three are a different style, color and material! Inside the
>book it mentions that the books are available with three different covers
>so I guess this one was a "demo" to show the different cover styles. Also
>some of the pages are missing. But they weren't removed since the binding
>is intact and even pages that should be on the same sheet of paper are
>missing. For example, page 99 will be on the RH page and when you turn the
>page page 100 should be on the left but it will be missing and page 101
>will be there instead! Very strange! I've never seen or heard of a book
>like it before.
>
> Joe
>
I've located a TK-25 (w/ tape ) at a surplus house.
Was there anyone on this list looking for one?
If so, please respond via private e-mail.
Jeff
jeff.kaneko(a)ifrsys.com
I have an NCR System 3130, which is a 386-based system with 8mb of
memory and a 20mb hard disk. It also has some sort of PROM system
disk (as device d:). I currently have no way of transferring info
to and from the machine and would love to find the external floppy
adapter for it...
Might someone on this list have one laying around, or be able to
provide a pointer to someone who has one?
Also, does anyone have any technical documents for this machine?
When I upgraded the memory and installed a modem, the system would
no longer cleanly boot up from the C drive... it gets stuck somewhere
in the process while it is still using D:...
Thanks in advance for any info...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com |
| Digital Equipment Corporation | |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
At 02:34 PM 6/15/98 -0500, Doug Yowza wrote:
>No, no. Tube machines were a gas in the 50's. PDP-1's were groovy in the
>60's. Pong was ultra-bitchen in the 70's. The Amiga was gnarly in the
>80's. And, well, the 90's ... :-( dOOd.
Is it just me or do the 90's seem like the 70's and 80's combined with all
the really cool stuff left out?
Speaking of decades, after the year 2000 bug totally obliterates all known
forms of biological life on the planet, What will we call the first decade?
I know I can type it as: "You know, the 00's really suck!" But how the heck
are we supposed to pronounce it? I think I have stumbled upon an even
bigger problem than the Y2k problem was ever forseen as!
-
- john higginbotham ____________________________
- webmaster www.pntprinting.com -
- limbo limbo.netpath.net -
>>Absolutely. Applesoft BASIC (in every II+ and later, and installed as
>>an option in most II's) was written by Microsoft. Microsoft also sold
>>several well-known Apple II games (ADVENTURE is the most well-known).
>
>They wrote that? DUDE!!!! (I recently aquired a Applesoft BASIC manual
>(C) 1979, in near mint condition.)
They didn't write the original... that was Crowther and Woods (if memory
serves). They may have written *a* version... but history doesn't start
with PCs and MicroSoft.
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com |
| Digital Equipment Corporation | |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
At 01:28 PM 6/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Sure, just as easily as you can move stuff between the 6502 based Nintendo
>and an AIM-65 (i.e., no way dOOd -- even if the CPU is the same, nothing
>else is). However, I seem to recall that Microsoft recently signed-up a
>game machine manufacturer for CE, and it was either Nintendo or Sega.
Sega. For the new 128-bit console system: Dreamcast. Coming to America next
year. Out in Japan by Fall this year.
<offtopic alert! offtopic alert!>
Err, man, those Atari Pong games sure were a gas back in the 70's, man!
Groooovy!
*Whew!* Close one.
________________________________________
john higginbotham limbo.netpath.net -
webmaster, http://www.pntprinting.com -
"Teamwork is essential; it gives the -
enemy other people to shoot at." -
I got a apollo 4500.
It has a 68030 inside, and a 700-someodd meg MFM (?) harddisk.
I have no idea what it runs. This one has a SummaSketch pad with it.
It was used for CAD stuff.
What's it run?
The problem with it is, the video card appears to have died.
WHen I power the machine on (It has a VERY LARGE [21"] RGB monitor. Any
chance of me connecting it to a PC? It has 3 plugs, R G B, and expects
sync on green) and the monitor, I get garbage. The garbage is the same almost
every time. There is 3 patterns. The first one is just garbage, the second one
is the same garbage only dimmer, and the third is a light blue blank screen.
All of them are light blue colored.
The summasketch puck is also wrecked, someone's jerked the MMJ plug off the end.
But I can get another one of those.
There is a switch in the back (Next to the reset (?) button) than, when
pressed, activates a 4-LED indication inside the case.
When I start the machine, it flickers around, and stops at 1 on, 2 3 and 4
blinking. Is this a failure code? What's this switch for?
Am I correct in my assumption? (Dead video)
I've already pushed all the socketed chips in as far as they'll go.
That didn't help.
I also removed the video card (It has no socketed chips) and reseated it.
This also has a network adapter, labled DOMAIN RING.
What wire does that expect?
I'm guessing it's not Ethernet...
Oh, the label on the front says APOLLO DOMAIN 4500.
FOrgot that :)
-------
