In case anyone cares, I put another Sun 3/50 and a Sparcstation 1+ on
www.haggle.com. The 3/50 is a 12meg flat-top, and the 1+ has 36megs and a
205meg HD. I started them at something like $5 so they'll probably go for
just enough to cover packaging tape.
The impetus? The space is now being hogged by the System 36 I just dragged
in here....
By the way, does anyone want that Sperry IT I got awhile back? It is
sitting in the garage looking forlorn. It has that nifty Genoa video card,
a memory board, an ethernet card, an unknown size HD, keyboard, optical
mouse and pad, complete manual set (system installation guide, Basic
user's guide, and MS-DOS user's guide), and original disk set. I haven't
had the chance to even power it on yet, so I don't know the operational
status (worked when removed). It's heavy (duh), so if someone just wanted
the cards/HD/etc, I could disassemble and ship what you wanted and leave
the carcass at the local thrift.
Oh yeah, I am in the L.A. vicinity, so if someone wanted to pick it up....
Aaron
<A question occurred to me today : Can you have an embedded analogue
<computer, and if so, how many op-amps are needed to have one?
Yes, and that's very common. None, a low pass filter(RC) performs a
function and can be considered analogue.
<I was looking at the service manual for my Micropolis 1203 hard disk, and
<I read the circuit description of the servo electronics. It's a fairly
<complicated array of op-amps, which combine integral and differential
<forms of the position error, positioner current, etc. I would claim that
<is an embedded analogue computer.
Valid claim, also a good example of a fairly complex function.
<On the other hand, I think it would be stretching the definition to call
<a simple op-amp wired as a voltage follower an analogue computer.
Correct. However often the buffer is between some function or follows one
so it's part of the analog system.
Other analog systems common to computers:
cassette IO (low pass filter on output) and complex filter/differentiator
edge/peak detectors for input. Some of the acients used PLLs for clock
recovery (KANSAS City is one).
Analog to digital conversion (quantification).
Digtial to analog conversion (filtering)
Disk/tape systems have several layers of analog function for data and
control.
Allison
Ok Compaq laptop owners (you know who you are). I have a near new unit
to sell or trade as follows:
Compaq 2815 Desktop Expansion Base. Looks a lot like the Prolinea
line of desktops with a special lid to slide
your laptop machine into a "bay". It has no drives (blanking
plates) but has an internal contrller for floppy or hard
disk and the empty bays. Has a token ring card now in one of the
two ISA slots. Includes ports for VGA, LPT,
COM, KB and mouse. Has an A/B switch on the rear that I really have
no idea of it's use.
This is like brand new but has no manuals.
Looking for $100 cash or will consider trades of items such as
memory, cdroms, sound cards (especially MCA
PS/2 types), etc or a complete Snappy 3/3 Deluxe setup. I will also
consider equal value electronics test
equipment in trade especially function generators, signal
generators, frequency counters, Fluke DMMs, etc.
Email me direct please.
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Okay, first, where do we stop with the 'was:' things as an interesting
thread evolves!?
There may be a limit to number of nested parentheses in a subject line! ;-)
At 16:52 30-04-98 -0500, Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Christian Fandt wrote:
>
>> Thankfully, the metal/plastic boxes our old computers were made with have
>> virtually no value as 'interior decorations' (yet). However, there could be
>> exceptions for maybe a couple of models. I recall some list members here
>> had commented upon some as being rather attractive in appearance. I haven't
>> come across those yet.
>
>Hmm, a list of computers that look good enough to display as art? Here's
>mine (most are laptops):
>
>IMSAI 8080
>GRiD Compass
>Ampere WS1
>MINDSET PC (good enough for MOMA, anyway)
>NeXT Cube
>eMate 300
>
>-- Doug
Anybody know of a URL or printed reference to a photo of an Ampere, MINDSET
or eMate machine? Heard of them and I would like to see what they're like.
I have somewhere in my archives old Popular Electronics and Byte mags which
I'm sure show the others on Doug's list. Those NeXT machines were indeed
pleasing to look at. I wish I could find one nearby here to see up close
or/and purchase.
--Chris
-- --
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Jamestown, NY USA
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URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/
>I'm actually keen on the contemporary Compaq designs and the cool Acer
>designs with the neon colors and artistically drilled venting holes in the
>dense pattern.
Yep, those are cool. Also, I also kind of like the Toshiba's, the ones with
those cool monitor/TV/speakers, and the box is awsome, too. And that new
Toshiba model... the one in PC Week... the one that has that "30 second
motherboard change", is finally a smart design, if not artistically
pleasing.
>Sam Alternate e-mail:
dastar(a)siconic.com
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>Don't blame me...I voted for Satan.
>
> Coming in September...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0
> See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!
> [Last web page update: 04/25/98]
-Tim D. Hotze
I was going to post this when it was still relevant within the context of
the thread but anyway....
Here's a web page with some pictures and information about a pretty
fascinating Soviet mainframe:
http://www.mailcom.com/besm6
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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Don't blame me...I voted for Satan.
Coming in September...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0
See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!
[Last web page update: 04/25/98]
What about the Monorail PC's (http://www.monorail.com)?
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: R. Stricklin (kjaeros) <red(a)bears.org>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Saturday, May 02, 1998 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: Artistic Computers (was: Re: Lost Treasures (was: Cray-1))
>On Fri, 1 May 1998, William Donzelli wrote:
>
>> Speaking of which, what are the ugliest machines?
>
>Apollo DOMAIN computers and every last intel based PC manufactured since
>1993 and _especially_ since 1995. Except the new IBM GL machines which are
>actually kind of nice.
>
>ok
>r.
>
Well, the speakers are probably 6". We are playing instrumental
music, nothing too heavy. Both drives were Micropolis, IDE-based,
like most newer Macs. Nothing much bangs on the table, except
the speaker vibrations. Could it be the Yamaha keyboard or
amplifier (just regular black box)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The speakers MIGHT be the problem. There is a pair of them, each
>> > twice the size of an IMSAI, right beneath the macintosh
>>
>> I see... Now, while a lot of older drives locked the pack to the
spindle
>> using a fairly powerful magnet (and 3.5" floppy drives still do), I'd
>> still not want to run a hard disk near speakers of that size. Can you
>> rearange the layout of the room a little?
>>
>> -tony
>>
>Guys! I know of several deaf and impaired hearing people who likes
>music at full blast thru regular quality 60W with subwoofer and their
>hard drives cared nothing a whit about vibration level. I think
>something is funny: (Thobbing of music...boom boom bop...)
>
>1. Did someone disconnect/connect scsi stuff often?
>2. Did something bang the table where Mac sits often?
>3. Specific brands is no better than some and why didn't Max give us
>what kind of both toasted hds was?
>4. Termination issues sometimes cooks the hd especially selection of
>termination power used.
>5. Sharp resonanent sounds sometimes can make the pc chassis
>resosate thus killing hd life early. That does means to some
>machines with plastic chassis and some that will resnsonate, shaking
>the hd long and often. Push and pull on that hard drive bay to see
>how much it can shift or "pluck" it to see if it does vibrate.
>
>Magnetic field have nearly no effect on hd's inside that steel boxes
>unless Apple used plastic shell with thin tin sheets which that
>requires you to remove either speakers or the pc to different
>location at least 6" to 3 feet away.
>Magnetic field strength falls away at logithmic rate with increaseing
>distrance from the source.
>
>Jaosn D.
>
>>
>
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ive been in communication with a lady that has an old kaypro with a lot of
text files on disk she wants to transfer to an IBM for further editing and
safekeeping. i presume i need to cable their serial ports up and transfer that
way, but exactly how? i need some sort of program to send the files on the
kaypro i guess, but have nothing to do it with. if i can do this file
transfer, i'll get two working kaypros, a TI word processor from 1985 and some
NLQ dot matrix printer shipped to me free.
david
Hi All -
Just joined the list - looks like a great resource for information. I've
been collecting vintage micros for a couple of years now and only recently
discovered there were other fools with the same bad habit. Currently I've
got about 50 assorted Commodores, half-dozen Apple ]['s, two Kaypros, an
Osborne Executive, a TRS-80, a couple of TI-99's, a bunch of Atari, Coleco
and other game machines, and the rest of the garage is filled with boxes of
tape drives, modems, printers and other peripheral stuff. I'm always
interested in trading, so if there's something you need, let me know.
I'll go back to lurking now.
R.
BTW - I've been compiling a chronological list of every computer ever made
for a book that I'm working on - big stuff as well as micros. It's a pretty
big file, but I'll post it (as a MS Word attachment?) if anyone is
interested.
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