At 08:11 PM 5/18/98 -0700, you wrote:
>> Army surplus or what?
>
>I'm guessing HMR... Open w/o appointment last Saturday?
Actually, it was Friday. 8^) Yep, HMR. I *love* that place. I could
spend $200/week easy, if I had it. 8^)
Btw, was there someone else from the list at HMR last Friday? The guy
(Rick?) I dealt with said someone else had been in that morning who was
into GRiD's.
Anyway, now that they're open on alternate Saturdays, perhaps we should be
planning a bay area get-together?
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Are you refering to the original 16KB-64KB motherboard 5150 PC or do
you mean the 64KB-256KB motherboard 5150 PC? I have only seen two
original 16KB-64KB 5150 PC's. I'm certain there must be plenty of them
out there but I never see them. I see the 64KB-256KB motherboard
5150's everywhere.
Marty
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Subject: Prices to pay for old computers...
Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 5/21/98 5:45 AM
email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au
desieh(a)bigfoot.com
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Apple Lisa Web Page:
http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm
One of the best examples of this would be the original IBM PC.......
now apparently the dudes on ebay say $100 for a IBM PC well if you have one
in its original box will all manuals and
all original parts, manuals, disks etc this would be a reasobabley fair
price to pay. .999% of all IBM PC I come accross
have been upgraded,
treated badly, hacked, and far from thier original condiditon, and there are
no manuals in site..............
but if you have one with only the CPU at that it well, perhaps $0-10 is a
fairer price........
You cant just say that xxxxx computer is worh $xx amount...... you have to
allow for some systems that have manuals, disks,
boxes etc.............
systhems in these conditions are few and far between............
this is just my opinion on the subject so I would like to hear other peoples
comments..............
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From: "Desie Hay" <desieh(a)southcom.com.au>
To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers"
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Subject: Prices to pay for old computers...
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email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au
desieh(a)bigfoot.com
museum_curator(a)hotmail.com
Apple Lisa Web Page:
http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm
One of the best examples of this would be the original IBM PC.......
now apparently the dudes on ebay say $100 for a IBM PC well if you have one
in its original box will all manuals and
all original parts, manuals, disks etc this would be a reasobabley fair
price to pay. .999% of all IBM PC I come accross
have been upgraded,
treated badly, hacked, and far from thier original condiditon, and there are
no manuals in site..............
but if you have one with only the CPU at that it well, perhaps $0-10 is a
fairer price........
You cant just say that xxxxx computer is worh $xx amount...... you have to
allow for some systems that have manuals, disks,
boxes etc.............
systhems in these conditions are few and far between............
this is just my opinion on the subject so I would like to hear other peoples
comments..............
>
>> More specifically, and perhaps more to the point, do you think that
>> a copy of VisiCalc (black binder/manual c1981) and MS Multiplan are
>> each worth $5?
>
>Not bad. Considering I've seen some fools pay ten times that.
>
Well I must be one of the fools because I would pay well for original 1981
PC software if the disks are still good. Its very hard to find around here.
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From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, 20 May 1998 14:00
Subject: Re: [Rare systems]
>Desie Hay wrote:
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com>
>> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
>> <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
>> Date: Tuesday, 19 May 1998 12:14
>> Subject: Re: [Rare systems]
>>
>> >Desie Hay wrote:
>> >
>> >> I dont think anybody ported unix to the Lisa...well it wasnt a
commerical
>> >> thing....
>> >> im not sure on this but if someone knows for sure ill like to hear
from
>> them
>> >>
>> >> check out my Lisa web page......
>> >
>> >Well, there was a Lisa running Unix at OCC '84 (the last) in Anaheim.
>> >At least one. At the Apple booth. Since I'd been playing with Xenix
>> >(at the Radio Shack Computer Center where I did tech support) for well
>> >over a year by then, I was actually not too impressed -- it was far
>> >from ready for prime time. But it was definitely Unix. It just wasn't
>> >commercial. Especially since Tandy Xenix systems cost a fraction and
>> >actually had support (around Los Angeles, that was mostly me -- with
>> >some good documentation and a good line to Fort Worth).
>
>> yes ive seen pictures of Garry Kildor with a Lisa at his side...
>> They had a version under development but i almost sure they never
released
>> it.....
>
>Gary Kildall did CP/M, he may have had some relationship with CP/M 68K
>for Apple platforms (I don't think so, though he did have some input
>into the port to the TRS-80 Model 16), but I seriously doubt that he
>had anything to to do with Lisa Unix or the later A/UX for the "real"
>Macintoshes. Gary Kildall was _not_ a Unix type, and I can't think of a
>way to misspell any name of a Unix god "Garry Kildor".
>--
>Ward Griffiths
>They say that politics makes strange bedfellows.
>Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else.
> Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_
>
yes well, I can't spell, and I think that Garry Kildor could have been the
bill gates of today if he had played his cards right
remember IBM went to him first before they went to Microsoft for a OS for
their 'then' new PC.....
he turned them down............. If had CP/M on the IBM PC he would have
been able to do the same thing as what Billy Gates
did resell it to other companies............
oh well its funney how things turn out.........
I know that we recently discussed fair prices for hardware, but what
are fair prices for software? I know that there must be hundreds
of thousands of titles, but I have some specific questions.
1)Software that once WAS expensive, like old versions of AutoCAD,
SPSS, etc.
2)Rare software, like Xenix
3)Famous software, like VisiCalc
Should these things be expensive?
More specifically, and perhaps more to the point, do you think that
a copy of VisiCalc (black binder/manual c1981) and MS Multiplan are
each worth $5?
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It would be interesting to see the original QDOS...
>Lad, we don't do that here. Copyright situation. Besides, PC-DOS 1.0
>was total crap, you'd want 1.25 to do anything. However, you can step
>over to www.caldera.com and pick up the latest DR-DOS (though I liked
>things better when they called it OpenDOS), a much better descendent of
>CP/M than MS-DOS was.
>--
>Ward Griffiths
>They say that politics makes strange bedfellows.
>Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else.
> Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_
>
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Sydney, NSW Australia - Wednesday, May 20, 1998 at 23:17:42
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<Some non-clones (such as the DEC Rainbow) ran Windows; basically DEC
<wrote or contracted for the device drivers necessary to make it work.
<I don't recall whether Windows 2.x ran on the 'bow; I didn't have access
<to one during that timeframe.
I know 2.11 was released by DRC for the Rainbow. I still have media
with that on it (used as blanks).
However the cpu was still intel (8088). I think winders didn't run on
the 80186(8) used in one of the tandys and a few oddballs. mostly because
the 186 has some on board peripherals (DMA and interrupts) that were not
PCclone compatable. The '188 cpu was basically 8088/V20
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>I know that we recently discussed fair prices for hardware, but what
>are fair prices for software? I know that there must be hundreds
>of thousands of titles, but I have some specific questions.
>
>1)Software that once WAS expensive, like old versions of AutoCAD,
>SPSS, etc.
>2)Rare software, like Xenix
>3)Famous software, like VisiCalc
>Should these things be expensive?
>More specifically, and perhaps more to the point, do you think that
>a copy of VisiCalc (black binder/manual c1981) and MS Multiplan are
>each worth $5?
Good topic! I was just thinking about the same thing the other day.
I would certainly drop $5 on an original Visicalc, and maybe that for an old
Multiplan.
The nice thing is, it shouldn't be hard to find them for that price either.
Old software is NOT attracting the attention of old hardware. But why is
that? For the life of me, I dunno. But hey - I'm happy it's cheap - it means
I can still get some while the gettin's good.
What would I think is collectable?
Version 1 of anything that later became famous. (DOS, Windows, Visicalc,
Lotus, etc)
Oddball packaging (Lotus Symphony, early Infocom games)
Big-time failures and dead-ends (Lotus Jazz, GEM, Visi-ON)
Software from the cassette and paper-tape era (Apple Brickout, Microsoft
Altair BASIC)
My .02
--Larry
