>Also, if anyone wants one of these things, $10 plus shipping. The
>condition
>is unknown since I haven't fired them up ... and they don't include
>keyboards :).
Do you know how much shipping will be?
I am getting my PDP-11/34 and my RK05 disk drives and packs tommorrow, and I have a few questions.They have have been in storage for years, and, although they have been kept dry, they are probably dusty. Can anyone tell me how to clean the drives and the disk packs before I use them?
Thanks,
Owen
>
> No not yet. I'm going to try and get the parts and make a terminal
>cable tomorrow.
You have to be REAL careful which way the pins go on that. I had to
make two of 'em because the FAQ (where I found the pin assignments)
wasn't really clear which way you should be looking at it. (They ended up
being opposite)
>>If the root password is changed, your going to be screwed without system
>disks.
>
> I'm afraid you're right. That's the nature of Unix.
I was lucky on mine. All of them came from the factory with a preset password
which was *something* like "MPC" or something like that. Anyway, it should be
in the 3B2 FAQ.
Les
At 01:43 AM 2/7/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Does any one know what type of printer ribbon can fit onto an original adam
>(Colecovision)printer (ginerec one I thought Was a deablo hytype but it wont
>fit.
>And where to get one from I live in Castlegar, British Columbia Canada.
Try American Ink (<http://www.americanink.com/> I believe); they carry
ribbons for a lot of older printers. (Ran across them while researching
one of the computers in my collection on the web, but have known of them
for years; very highly recommended in local Atari circles.)
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roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
I also have a neat XT. It's not a Phillips, but a Tandy 1000. It has 768K
RAM, and a 12MHz 286 processor. Only, I still have the problem of not
being able to access the upper memory. Being a Tandy, it's even harder to
find a driver. Another setback is it's HD. It's a 20MB Western digital -
and slow as a turtle. Does anyone, by any chance, have a spare
XT-compatible IDE HD without a stepper motor driving the heads??
ThAnX,
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
> It was a neat machine for an XT. I don't recall if I ever checked to see
if it
> was using that extra memory or if it had any SW with it. My friend will
be
> delighted to know that he can squeeze out a little extra ram for
memory-hungry
> DOS programs.
>
> ciao larry
>
> lwalker(a)interlog.com
Hello everybody.
I was wondering if anyone out there had an old Mac Portable (the Mac
laptop) that they'd want to sell. I really don't want to pay all that much
for it, and I don't need anything all that fast (I don't know all that much
about Macs), but it needs to run at least System 6.0.5. The main reason
that I'm looking for one, is that my school uses mainly Macs (the only PC's
that they have are a few XT's that you need to turn off the lights to read
the monitors), and I don't have a Mac. Whenever I'm working on a project,
I'm confined to the 40 minutes of classtime to get it done. I'm not
looking for a full-sized Mac, because (1) I don't have the room, and (2), I
sort of need the portability, because It's not very often that I'm at home
before 8:30 or 9:00 PM, and at that time I don't really feel like working
on stuff for school.
All I'm really asking is that it works, and can run System 6.0.5 (that's
what my school uses).
As always,
ThAnX in advance,
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
Oh, well, thinks like that do happen, and there's not much you can do about
it. I use MS-MAIL, and a lot of times, I don't even GET some of the
messages :-( I hate it, but it's all my computer will run. It seems like
every reader has it's problems.
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
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> From: cdrmool(a)interlog.com
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: FW: Dos v2.11 apology
> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 5:03 AM
>
>
> Sorry for the empty message back a bit. I understand some people were
> annoyed. Let me explain for those who don't use Pine as a mail reader.
> The cancel command ctrl-c and cancel ctrl-x are easy to mix up. Its
about
> as annoying as when using Telix and wanting to shell out (alt-j) and
> accidentally hang up (alt-h). Yes, you are prompted to make sure you want
to
> send after ctrl-x but if your not expecting it, simply expecting to
> cancel, hitting the return is done before the prompt is even seen. Also,
> being a reasonably fast typist leads to mistakes of overconfidence in
what
> has been typed. Remappimg the keyboard would be the obvious answer but
> after once doing so I caused new problems, so I don't bother.
> I promise it will never happen again.
>
> Colan
>
> I can personally guarantee that that isn't the only mailer/reader your
> computer will run. Or I will shit in my hat and wear it backwards for a
> month. (If your school/job/ISP has made a decision not to allow to use
> anything better, it doesn't mean your computer can't do it).
>
>
well , it WILL run other readers, but they won't fit. I have a Cyrix P200+
w/80 MB RAM, and I had a 425 MB HD with 100 free MB, until lightning hit.
Now I'm stuck with a 100MB drive with 5MB free. MS-mail came with IE3.2,
which was already on the 100MB drive, along with Win '95. I normally use
Outlook Express, with IE4.0, but they just won't fit on this drive :-(
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
> Some 70 text lines for a 4 word response, that was already commented on
> in this thread.
> Now don't you think that's a little much !
>
> Larry (in indignant mode)
> lwalker(a)interlog.com
Well, I guess it's better than whoever used 0 text lines for a 0 line
response. At least with the 70 lines, you know what they're talking about.
With 0 text lines, and no response, your guess is as good as mine for what
they meant :-)
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
If anyone has that driver could they send it to me, too? I have a Tandy
1000TL 286 XT w/768K RAM, and no way to access it. Maybe the driver will
work in it, too. Maybe it won't - but it's worth a shot :-)
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
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> From: Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: EMS/XMS memory driver needed
> Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 9:21 PM
>
> Someone I know has just acquired a motherboard, XT type aftermarket,
> with 768k onboard ram. I'm fairly sure the system is going to need a
> special driver to access the memory over DOS's 640k. Anyone have such an
> animal and can attach it to email or know of a commercial program that
> will handle the job?
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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> RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144
> Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991
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>
>
Sam:
could you please tell me what isbn number and the publisher was on the
"Computer power for small business" book though I could try and track it
down in some used book syores around here.
thanx
Chris
At 10:25 AM 06/02/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>I added another 37 volumes to my vintage computer library yesterday.
>
>By far the most valuable from a historical standpoint is the book
>_Computer Power for the Small Business_ from 1979. It is a buyer's guide
>for microcomputers of the mid- to late -0's era. Talk about a treasure.
>This book has pictures and decriptions of many computers I've never even
>heard of.
>
>It contains information on systems we know much of, such as the Atari's,
>Apple, PETs, Radio Shack, etc. But it also has blurbs on systems that
>I've not seen mentioned anywhere else (at least not in a way that is
>looking back on these systems with a historical perspective) like the RCA
>Cosmac VIP, the Sol-20, Exidy Sorcerer, Heathkit H-8 and H-11, Intecolor
>8031.
>
>The best part is the descriptions of systems I've never knew about before.
>Has anyone ever heard of an Outpost computer? Its a fully integrated
>package with keyboard, display and 5.25" drive, but its almost three feet
>wide, with the two 5.25" drive bays to the side of the display! How about
>the PeCos One from APF Electronics. I have a pong machine made by APF but
>who would've thought they once made computers? How about The Renaissance
>Machine (aka Compucolor II)? There's also mention of the Teal SHC-8000,
>which is sort of like a pet with display, keyboard and cassette player in
>one unit.
>
>It then has a listing with about 40 different system descriptions,
>including CPU, memory, external storage, input (ie. keyboard, lightpen),
>output (ie. display, printer) and basic cost. There's also the company
>address which is extremely valuable for research.
>
>Here's an interesting tidbit. Apparently Data General made a line of
>computers dubbed "The Digital Group". According to this entry in the
>table, they were systems based on the Z-80, 8080A, 9080A, 6800 and 6502
>processors; they had 2K of main memory; they used cassettes for storage.
>Can anyone verify this?
>
>I also got another similar book entitled _The Peter McWilliams Personal
>Computer Buying Guide_ circa 1985. I haven't had a chance to go through
>it in much detail but it is basically more nice descriptions of early- to
>mid-80's computers, again some of which I've never heard of. I'll do a
>review later.
>
>In my travels I also picked up a Victor 800 electric adding machine. I
>don't collect adding machines and only rare grab them for specific
>reasons. In this case, this is the same Victor as the Victor 9000
>computer. I knew right away because the 'o' in the "Victor" emblem was
>that striped-circle that is telling of a Victor product (plus it had a
>Scott's Valley, CA address on the back).
>
>Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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>
> Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0
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>
>
>
If you haven't seen the news yet, I found out thanks to http://slashdot.org
, Microsoft is pulling one of their dirtiest stunts ever in their attempt
to destroy Netscape. If anyone doesn't think Microsoft is evil this should
convince them, unless they are niave enough to think Microsoft isn't behind
this!
In what would appear to be a result of their assimilation of Wang last
month, Wang has announced a Lawsuit against Netscape for Patent
infringement. Basically Wang is claiming to have "Save As..."
patented?!?!?! For an explanation see
http://www.mozilla.org/legal/wangsuit.html I also like the Graphic and
comment at http://www.mozilla.org
The problem is, Wang is sueing them for something that almost EVERY piece
of software available does! Netscape needs examples of software that do
the things in the patent prior to March 30th, 1983. See the below
information.
Wang might be able to use this to get a Court injunction to prevent
Netscape from distributing Navigator?!?! A lot of the Free Software
fanatics are seeing this as a direct attack against free software by
Microsoft, since Netscape just released the Navigator source code.
Zane
Here is the portion of the statement that is the most important:
-----------
Wang is asserting that a patent that it holds for a video text system is
infringed by the Netscape browser. Netscape is vigorously defending the
lawsuit. Wang contends the patent discloses the invention of:
Saving web pages retrieved from a server using "Save As" (See Claim
23, 24),
Bookmarks (Claims 20-22),
Saving files with file extensions and then retrieving the pages and
decoding the files based on the file extension (Claim 38).
The patent was filed in 1984. We believe the patent is noninfringed,
unenforceable, and invalid based on, among other things, prior art such as
the
Alto & Star computers from Xerox Parc, Terminal Emulators, connectivity
software prevelant in the the early 80s such as CrossTalk, Unix
symbolic links (ln -s), and various other "video text" systems like
Telidon, Prestel, Mupid used in the late 70s, early 80s.
It's easy to say "of course that's invalid", but what is required are
specific references to prior art. If you know of additional prior art
publications,
software programs, books, or systems in existence --prior to March 30,
1983-- which disclose and/or describe the claimed elements send us a
message. Send responses or questions to mozilla.org. Please include the
following information:
Name of the Publication or System
Date of the Publication or Date System Was Publicly Known
Features it Discloses
Where Can the Publication or System Be Found (ie. university,
reference library, company, contact person)
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Hi All -
Just joined the list - looks like a great resource for information. I've
been collecting vintage micros for a couple of years now and only recently
discovered there were other fools with the same bad habit. Currently I've
got about 50 assorted Commodores, half-dozen Apple ]['s, two Kaypros, an
Osborne Executive, a TRS-80, a couple of TI-99's, a bunch of Atari, Coleco
and other game machines, and the rest of the garage is filled with boxes of
tape drives, modems, printers and other peripheral stuff. I'm always
interested in trading, so if there's something you need, let me know.
I'll go back to lurking now.
R.
BTW - I've been compiling a chronological list of every computer ever made
for a book that I'm working on - big stuff as well as micros. It's a pretty
big file, but I'll post it (as a MS Word attachment?) if anyone is
interested.
--
Robert Arnold
Managing Editor
The MonkeyPool
WebSite Content Development
http://www.monkeypool.com
Creator and Eminence Grise
Warbaby: The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire.
muahahahahaaaaa
http://www.warbaby.com
Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies.
OK... by some act of God, when I try to plug in the HDD alone, it spins up,
along with the PSU. Now, when I take EVERYTHING out, that includes drives,
cards, etc. and just give the motherboard power, it doesn't spin up at all.
Yes, the black pins are in the middle, I know I've got a good connection...
could this be the "No power" line thingy? Should a real-XT case work with a
clone-XT motherboard?
Thanks,
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 3:13 AM
Subject: Re: XT Power Supply help...
>> I've gone as far as epoxying a screw upside down onto the odd "security"
screws
>> way back when they started coming out and used a pliers/visegrips to turn
the
>
>Or filing a nail to make a tool to fit some of the more obscure screws.
>
>If it has a head that stands proud of the surface, and if you don't care
>about mangling the screw, then use a hacksaw to cut a slot in it. I got a
>pile of AT bits at a radio rally, and that's what had been done to the
>screws in the PSU.
>
>> > not to put a nail in the fuseholder, or put unsafe components in the
>> > chopper circuit, or whatever.
>>
>> Uh, penny under the blown screw in fuse, cigarette pack foil around the
blown AGC
>> fuse. Let's do this right now.
>
>It's a well-known fact that to the UK public all fuses are 13A (the
>standard/maximum one used in our mains plugs). I've seen said fuses in
>all sorts of places that they don't belong.
>
>I've also seen the fuse wrapped in foil - where on earth does that
>dangerous trick come from. I can't believe these lusers work it out for
>themselves.
>
>-tony
>
> It would be tough (but valuable) to provide a truly comprehensive
list.
kingdom = {analogue, digital, quantum}
Phylum = {silicon, GaAs, Germanium (?), hollow-state, mechanical}
Class = {Mainframe, Mini, Workstation, Micro}
Order = {Rackmount, deskside, desktop, luggable, laptop, notebook,
palmtop}
You are leaving out whole categories of computers. Where do VCR and
microwave oven controllers fit in? How do you fit in user programmable
and non-user programmable? What about digital storage scopes, logic
analyzers? What about lawn sprinkler timers, aren't they
"programmable"?
Jack Peacock
Off Topic posts are the worst, second comes discussions about computers less
than ten years old (which eventually fall in the off topic category)
Try to locate the List FAQ to find out more (it doesn't list the flame war
starters but if you can stick to the guidelines you'll be OK).
Then again I'm not in charge of this list either.
As a general rule this is a list for the discussion of more than ten year
old computer equipment.
Use plain text to send messages.
Be nice and have fun.
>Thanks for the tip. Let me know if there are any other no-no's or flame
bait.
>
Francois
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Doug:
> Is the reason those old radio/phonograph boxes are not being thrown
> away is that noone notice the cover and thinks it's just a pretty
> dresser w/o drawers :)? Also hideaway sewing machines.
:-) I doubt it...
The real crime is those who buy sewing machines with pedestals and
treadles, throw away the sewing machine and turn the pedestal into an
olde worlde iron framed coffee table. I am told by a friend in the
trade that this is v. common.
> Of course, the System/36 (I think, maybe not) was built into a desk.
There was a system/36 that was the size of a desk pedestal but I never
saw that particular variant. The system/32 (and possibly the s/38?) had
a desk built into _it_...
> And then there were the teletypes (are the ones that are mostly used
> as examples of teletypes ASR-33?), printers, etc.
Yes.
Philip.
<Actually, the VT100 does have a rather nice look to it. If you insist
<that only computers go on the above list, I'll list it as a VT103.
If it has to be a computer bow about a VT180 (CP/M) or PDT-11/130?
Allison
On Apr 30, 9:40, Christian Fandt wrote:
> By the way, a second, more minor problem was my wife. When I was
describing
> the size of the 9370 system before I brought it home, here eyes got real
> big and she stated: "Just where are you going to put that!??!"
This sounds familiar :-)
> And when I
> got two six foot tall 19"rack cabinets from an old machine controller at
> work that I tore down, I temporarily set them in the new garage sometime
> before we moved in. She spied them, stared at them for a few seconds and
> asked "What are _those_ monstrosities?" I had to do some quick
explaining
Even more familair :-)
> Wish I could afford a heated, insulated garage.
Just leave one or two running, like I do.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
The speakers MIGHT be the problem. There is a pair of them, each
twice the size of an IMSAI, right beneath the macintosh
>
>>
>> I posted this a few weeks back, but noone answered, so I'll ask it
>> again.
>
>Oh, what the heck, I'll make a few guesses...
>
>> There is a certain Macintosh 5400/180 at my school whose hard drive
>> crashed about a month and a half ago. When it tried to start, it
>> wouldn't really seek, just made a ticking noise and the LED would
>
>Is the disk spinning at this point? (feel the drive itself). Is it just
>that the positioner is not geting the heads where they should be?
>
>> flash. So, we took it out, ordered another one. A few days later,
>> it died the same death. So now we have another one. My ethics don't
>> allow me to just put in a hard drive knowing it will be destroyed.
>> What should I do? One hint is that the Macintosh is in a soundproof
>> booth, and is powered from the booth, which is plugged in. But, the
>> mac is plugged in via a "surge protector".
>> Ideas? Could it be bad power? Any way to check?
>
>It _could_ be a PSU problem, but IMHO it's unlikely, unless other parts
>of the mac are failing as well. If the disk is spinning and the rest of
>the mac is OK, I'd not suspect power problems at this time.
>
>Are there any strong magnetic fields (say _large_ speakers) very close
to
>it? I'm wondering if the servo information on the disks is being
>corrupted so the positioner can't lock onto a track.
>
>-tony
>
>
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>Some sick minded person might gut a NeXT cube and use it as >a little
stool for flowers at an exhibit of abstract art ;) >
In the early S-100 days (1975) the engineering lab I worked in got an
early Altair (we needed small cheap computers to embed in environmental
monitoring instruments). A few months later we got one of the first
IMSAIs. After about 3 minutes of comparing the two, we voted to use
IMSAIs and the Altair was relegated to being the doorstop for the lab
doors. I assume it wound up in a surplus action some number of years
after I left. BTW, the embedded controller we actually used in the
instruments was a single board Intel 8080, their evaluation kit board,
the precursor to Multibus. We used the IMSAIs to develop and test the
code in the lab.
Jack Peacock
Well, I recall from The Secret Guide To Computers that early
Timex Sinclairs were used as doorstops at Timex (or whatever).
Some sick minded person might gut a NeXT cube and use it as a
little stool for flowers at an exhibit of abstract art ;)
>
>At 08:56 30-04-98 -0600, "Jeff Kaneko" <Jeff.Kaneko(a)ifrsys.com> wrote:
>>
>>> At 17:30 29-04-98 +0000, Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote:
>>> >Doug:
>>> >
>>> >> Is the reason those old radio/phonograph boxes are not being
thrown
>>> >> away is that noone notice the cover and thinks it's just a pretty
> --- snippers ---
>
>>> There were folks who took a late-20's/early 30's radio which was
built into
>>> a beautiful wooden cabinet and turned it into a piece of furniture
by
>>> gutting it. Then there were the late 40's and early 50's TV cabinets
which
>>> met the same fate. At least I've rescued several of each of these
kinds of
>>> receivers for my collection.
>>
>>Then there was this girl I was dating while I lived in Baltimore in
>>the early 80's. Her dad had a vintage (early 20th cent.)'magneto'
>>(u-crank-it) telephone he mounted on the wall in their basement as a
>>conversation piece. He felt it was 'too heavy' so before mounting
>>it he gutted the thing. So many historic relics have been destroyed
>>in the name of 'interior decoration'.
>
>Some people have no clue. But in retrospect to that statement, those
people
>are probably not technically oriented like we are so there is no
awareness
>of anything's actual worth as a technological collectable.
>
>Thankfully, the metal/plastic boxes our old computers were made with
have
>virtually no value as 'interior decorations' (yet). However, there
could be
>exceptions for maybe a couple of models. I recall some list members
here
>had commented upon some as being rather attractive in appearance. I
haven't
>come across those yet.
>
>
>
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Does anyone know the production figures for
either the Altair 8800, the Imsai 8080 or
the Processor Tech SOL 20? If actual numbers
are not available I would really appreciate
getting an educated guess.
Thanks much,
Bob
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