At 12:30 03-02-98 -0500, William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> wrote:
>
>Just because the sticker says 30 amps does not mean it will draw that
>much! In general, those ratings are worst case (a fully blown system), and
>includes some safety factor (as well as some surge).
Oh I already knew that, William. A 30A breaker works out fine to handle the
six 9332 DASD units (IBM's accronym for these type of hard disks for some
of you other observers), 9345 tape drive, rack power controllers and the
9370-60 CPU.
>
>For example, the ex-NFSnet RS/6000s are rated for 240V @ 20 amps, but in
>their current state (loaded with memory, one DASD shelf), they only suck
>about two amps!
>
>Do not be suprised if that 9370 only sucks a few amps.
Can't recall exactly, but total draw was about 11 to 12 amps or so when I
checked last fall before I put the system to bed while we were shopping for
a house. 30A dual-pole breaker was on hand and turns out to handle surge
okay. I have done industrial wiring at work as part of my engineering
responsibilities so have experience with handling stuff like this.
Still dumped alotta heat! :-) We got cheap electricity in this town. $0.036
per KWH vs. about $0.08 or more per KWH outside of the area.
Can't wait to work more with the system later this year if the wife has no
additional remodeling in the new house for me to do :-(
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And it sucked!!!!!!!!!!
As for QuickBasic for DOS, it ended with version 4.5... sort of.
There was a professional version, called PDS, which ended at version 7.1
-Matt Pritchard
Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Withers [SMTP:bwit@pobox.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 12:29 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: Visual Basic for DOS?
>
>
> There actually was a Visual Basic for DOS product. It was very much
> like
> Visual Basic V1 execpt that everything was in character mode. It
> supported
> menus, listboxes, comboboxes, and like like without graphics.
>
> Bob
>
> At 04:56 PM 2/1/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >Max,
> >
> >There was a Microsoft QuickBasic for DOS. I believe it got up to at
> >least version 4.0. I used it long ago on a project or two.
> >
> >You probably can find a cheap (~$20?) copy of this at some used
> software
> >store, like Half Price Software.
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >Max Eskin wrote:
> >>
> >> It is my understanding that there was once a (Microsoft?) Visual
> Basic
> >> for DOS. Was it like VB for Windows, and was it any better than
> QBasic?
> >> If someone has a copy, could they let me (ahem) borrow it?
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________________
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> >Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\vcard5.vcf"
> >
Someone said they would post it at an FTP site,and I lost the email
address; would the person email me?
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i decided to make a run for old computer stuff and i'm glad i did. i managed
to find the apple //c lcd display in its original box. used, but in good
shape. price? $3.18
no printed material came with it. i also saw a complete tandy 1000, a never
used colecovision with steering wheel, imagewriter 1, apple //c, //c 9 inch
monitor, apple 300/1200 modem in box, //c mouse never used, and //c disk drive
and some apple laserwriter carts. i may go back for some of the other goodies.
i might consider trades for the lcd.
david
It is my understanding that there was once a (Microsoft?) Visual Basic
for DOS. Was it like VB for Windows, and was it any better than QBasic?
If someone has a copy, could they let me (ahem) borrow it?
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PGA is a three-card sandwich, not two...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Kaneko [SMTP:Jeff.Kaneko@ifrsys.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 8:07 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: CGA Modes (Wuz: Win 3.0)
>
>
> It seems like it means "Professional Graphics Adapter"
>
> Hmmm.
>
> -Jeff
>
>
> > Isn't PGA Pin-Grid-Array? (It's probably wrong, but hay....)
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Kaneko <Jeff.Kaneko(a)ifrsys.com>
> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> > <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> > Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 6:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: CGA Modes (Wuz: Win 3.0)
> >
> >
> >
> > You sure this isn't PGA?
> >
> > > I'm sure my 3270pc handles a "better" quality CGA. It just looks like
> > > EGA, thought it was... It was running a version of Norton Utes and it
> > > was just beautiful turquoise blue set and clear characters.
> > >
> > > I'd have to think this was better than CGA, especially since it took
> two
> > > coupled long cards to run the video...
> > >
> > > -Mike
> > >
> >
> >
> >
I asked about the mass of the thing, just to dream about shipping it. 6 boxes, 250 kg's or so apiece (over a ton). It's a fairly large system, eh?
Aaron
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Subject: Re: RED ALERT! FREE VAX Cluster needs rescue!
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>To anyone interested, my school is looking to make the old VAX cluster
>disappear. It consists of two MV3600's, several racks of RA81/82's, one
>MVII, and a TU-something-or-other.
How large is all this equipment, in square and cubic feet? What sort
of power does it take? Anything particularly interesting or novel
about this system? MicroVAX III circa 1987, KA650 processor, QBUS,
~32 meg RAM, RA-82s are ~600 meg, VMS 5.x? Roughly 2.8 VUP?
Main unit, rack-mount half-height? Maybe a TU-81+, half-height rack tape?
- John
Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>
>It was thus said that the Great Allison J Parent once stated:
>>
>> <just typing a B to the prompt would do it, or B <bootstrap device> such
>> <as
>> <B CSA0 ,,, Allison'd probably know better on this...
>>
>> You have three bootable devices...
>>
>> B DUA0 *RD5x in the box, never seen one external but it can be done.
>> B MUA0 or 7 *tk50 tape I forget the device number as it's slow.
>> B XQA0 *boot via eithernet. It was possible to run them diskless.
>>
>> B does the default device first (dua0) then tape then eithernet.
>
> Does this also apply to the uVAX 2000 (or are they in fact the same
>thing?) Also, do you have the specs about the boot protocol over the
>eithernet?
It does, assuming you use the right device name for the Ethernet.
There is a MOP demon for Linux that some NetBSD folks have used to boot a
2000 diskless; you could look into that for info about the boot protocol.
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
Hello to the list members. I've just joined you.
Based in Australia, I have
Altair 8800b (don't ask the price!)
Kaypro II (found today - $30)
Exidy Sorcerer x 2 ($25)
Ohio Scientific Challenger 1P board (free)
Dick Smith Wizzard (aka. CreatiVision) ($10)
Sinclair ZX80 ($1)
Sinclair ZX81 ($1)
Sinclair Spectrum (trade for a slide rule)
Atari 800 + 810 (well my Mum has it, but I'm working on that)
Although not a big collector of the older computers, I am in general an avid
collector of smaller computing devices such as slide rules and calculators.
I'd like to announce my web-sites on these subjects...
Museum of Soviet Calculators
http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/calculator/soviet.html
Slide Rule Trading Post
http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/
My intent in joining, however, is to share my resources (boxes of software
for Exidy Sorcerer - but I can't load any of it - no working drive!) and
perhaps utilise the brain pool of this list to help me get my Altair up and
running, and also enable my Kaypro II to boot to anything but <System?> I
also have manuals for about 10 different Kaypro packages - email me for
list.
In any case, I was pleased to accidentally stumble on this list, and
fervently hope it is still an active one. I do welcome private
communications, but would generally prefer discussion on the list for the
benefit of all.
Cheers
Andrew Davie
> <just typing a B to the prompt would do it, or B <bootstrap device> such
> <as
> <B CSA0 ,,, Allison'd probably know better on this...
>
> You have three bootable devices...
>
> B DUA0 *RD5x in the box, never seen one external but it can be done.
> B MUA0 or 7 *tk50 tape I forget the device number as it's slow.
> B XQA0 *boot via eithernet. It was possible to run them diskless.
>
> B does the default device first (dua0) then tape then eithernet.
That's B ESA0 for the Ethernet. But if he can't type, he can't enter any of
those commands. I don't know what the various failure modes of an LK201
look like (none of mine have failed), so I can't say offhand what's wrong
with the keyboard. I would first try swapping it (since I have plenty of
them lying around) and, failing that, going for a serial console.
Also, the ? on 7 indicates some sort of problem with the disk controller.
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
