>>OK, let's say I pull an old PC and some boxes out of a dumpster, and
>>there's a set of original AutoCAD Release 9 disks. By your rule, how
>>can I tell if I own a legit copy or not?
>
> Real simple. It they're original disks then it's a legit copy! Doesn't
>matter if it came from a dumpster or not.
>
Though some software manufactures would like you to officially transfer the
license to a new party. It's usually buried in the fine print of the
software agreement.
-- Kirk
< Actually, if they are an earlier version and the software has been
<upgraded they should stay with the upgrade disk(s) and computer. If the
<owner throws them out, he no longer has a legit software package.
For example with VMS there are two types of kits, install and patch.
An install is complete and installs the current version of which you must
have a valid license key for. A patch kit is only those pieces upgraded
and is tied to a specific version or set or sequential versions. So if
some one tosses their V5.4 kit and installed 5.6 or 6.1 those are seperate
kits. If they went from 5.4-4c to 5.4-5h then it was patched. The first
case where the revlevel changes there is a seperate key(a license). So if
you cound a kit for 4.7 in the can it is a distinct copy however without
the key it would run only in minimal standalone mode(limited usefulness)
and only adaquately so for the purposes of installation and key
validation. Keys are either yours (legal) or obtained by other means.
Allison
From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com>
Subject: More books added to the library
>One finds the best stuff at thrift stores. Check out what I found today:
>The Anatomy of the 1541 Disk Drive
>By Abacus Software, 1984
>ISBN: 0-916439-01-1
>It contains a full description of the file system, the file structure, the
>file commands, and also has a full 6502 assembler listing for the drive's
>ROM! Very cool. This book apparently also came with a "Test/Demo" disk
>but the programs are printed in the book so they can be duplicated. What
>a treasure.
If I recall correctly the book also describes tha basics of coding
your own fast drive access routines (fast loader, etc.) which is mighty
handy.
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Somewhat Classic Computer related was my acquisition of a Color
QuickCam for my Mac, I know it isn't even near 10 years old but it is
worthy to mention for its almost instant imaging capabilities... The
thing has a range of 1" to infinity (you can zoom in on the numbers
printed on tops of chips and have them readable!) So now I have to
clear the piles of papers away from a corner so I can use the cam to do
shots of some of my equipment (like a better picture of the P-500, etc.)
To give you an idea of the detail I am extolling, check out this pic I
put on-line for you to see for yourself:
http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/CLOSEUP.JPG
The pictue is of a 12/24 edge connector (.156" spacing), a Commodore
monitor connector and the top of a 6510 microprocessor DIP chip. (best I
could do in a couple minutes of scrounging.
Note this is 'medium size' and the resolution can go up to 640x400.
The real bummer to it is I don't think I can get it to work on my
Commodores,also it's leash (interface cable) is 6'long... :/
Larry Anderson
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I just picked up an 8088-based NEC, which reports a bad HDD, but has a 720K
Floppy.
manney(a)nwohio.com
> Does anyone have any portable computers that are 15lb or less that
> they could give or sell to me? This includes Z88, Intel stuff, etc.
> Not the Mac Portable, since I have that. Preferrably, I would like
> something that could run without being plugged in (having replaced
> the battery :). Anyone have an IBM Convertible?
>
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>First, my apologies. I didn't mean for my original message to be sent
>public.
Sam, this is a big step for you.... ;-)
>On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote:
>
>> The name hacker has been dragged through the mud for far too long.
>> There's almost no real record of the 1st and 2nd generation hacks. (1st
>> were the hacks at MIT. 2nd were those at Berkeley and elsewhere, who
>> adjusted the Hacker Ethic to allow for making money. 3rd are the
>> present-day warez loosers. [They're here for refrence. Technically,
>
>Not true. Read _Hackers_ by Steven Levy. It embodies the tale of the
>first two generations you mentioned and then also goes into the game
>hackers of the early 80s on microcomputers. An excellent book. I've read
>it twice (first in 1988) and may bring it on my next trip to read again.
Can you please get the ISBN for that?
>As far as the warez-loozers, well, they are just that, warez-loozers, and
>will be a footnote in some future book.
But nothing more. I dispise them. I've got a friend, who's brother claims
to know "hackers" who own looser warez sites. I asked them to get into my
system. They tried for 2 hours, and they eventually were convinced that I
WAS running Windows 2.0. ;-) Now, he knows how to "semi-hack" but hadn't
HEARD of C/C++, and thought that Unix was dead. He didn't even know about
the "clear" Linux command!!! Hacking into a NT system is... not un-hard.
>> they don't count]) All that survives to the actual public is the image
>> of some cybernerd on drugs with wild hair maliciously attacking big
>> companies just to be a punk. My brother hates computers, and he's
>> closer to THAT description than I am.
>
>Heheh. So true, unfortunately. The other extreme is the
>fat-pud-who-eats-while-he's-hacking stereotype and then the
>thick-glasses-total-dweeb-high-pitched-voice-hacker stereotype.
And then there's the nerdy NASA mission-control type revenge guy.
>> Of course, I'm still not as good as the 1st-gen guys. I can't solder
>> any good, I have nearly no idea how to wire-wrap or use a slide rule,
>> and I can't do number conversion in my head yet. I'm not very good at
>> math. (I can do it with a calculator, but I tend to drop numbers left
>> and right with big variables) I still have some to go... -------
>
>That's all myth, Daniel (except for the number-conversion-in-the-head,
>starting working at it :). The fact is, you don't NEED to know how to
>wire-wrap or use a slide-rule. They would be impressive skills and might
>get you a date some day, but if we still NEEDED to use those tools to this
>day then we wouldn't have progressed much in the realm of technology and
>that would be very sucky.
What are the requirements for being a hacker? ;-)
Tim D. Hotze
Does anyone need a Mac mono monitor? Model number MO400, circa 1987. Best
offer takes it, no matter how pathetic. Recipient either pays shipping or
picks it up in the LA area (it's not heavy at all, I can't imagine that ups
ground would be more than a few bucks on this thing).
Aaron
An exciting thrift day for me; I found a book I've been looking for for a
while now - the "Applesoft BASIC Programmer's Reference Manual" for the
Apple II. It's a hardcover in perfect condition, even the tear-out
reference card is intact! I got that and one from Digital press, "Technical
Aspects of Data Communication, 2nd edition" (1982), both for about 2 bucks.
I happened along a Motorola/Codex 2131 csu/dsu. Anybody know anything about
this little beauty? I couldn't find much on the 'net about it, but it's
obviously a 9600b csu/dsu with a nifty design.
Cheers,
Aaron
Recent postings about old calculating machines and their operation has
prompted me to fire up a web page with some information on my Contex-30
electromechanical calculator. For now I have some images up and have
transcribed the operating instructions on the back.
I am sure many of you will be stunned by how division is performed on this
device; in any case, I welcome comments on the page, the calculator, and
the idea of creating a museum for my other calculating devices.
Myself, I collect precisely this sort of wierd technology. Boy, they sure
don't make them like THAT anymore. Thank goodness :)
Please visit
Wierd Computing Machines
http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/wierd/
Cheers
Andrew Davie
adavie(a)mad.scientist.com
PS: You may also like to visit my other two sites..
Museum of Soviet Calculators
http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/calculator/soviet.html
Slide Rule Trading Post
http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/
thinkpad 700 and 720x are mca thinkpads. had a 3 year warranty and dont share
any parts with any other thinkpad. of course, windont95 wont work on them,
although linux probably would since it's been coaxed to work on other mca
boxes.
david
