In a message dated 12/13/98 4:52:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk writes:
>
> There is only one place where an 8008 should end up. In a circuit that
> needs one. Like the frontpanel controller of my 11/34. Like the control
> logic board of my Beehive. Like a Scelbi. Or a dozen more machines.
Personally I agree with you.
>
> If they all get turned into jewellery, where they're going to get ruined
> by static, then where do us computer collectors get our spares from?
Don't worry, they won't all be made into jewelry.
>
> There are already some chips that are _very_ difficult to find. The Intel
> 8271 disk controller (used in older Acorn machines, up to and including
> the BBC). The LM379 audio amplifier (which is used in hard disks as a
> servo driver). I don't want other chips to be hard to find unnecessarily...
I would like to see a list of chips that are in short supply. I have kept many
that I wondered if there was a market.
When you work with a scrapper you go through tons and tons of circuit cards.
It is hard to tell what is valuable and what should be saved. Argueing to save
the gold chips is impossible. Almost of the chips go to scrap, gold reclaim.
Intel scraps their chips in house. They don't let them get out to the market.
It was hard to get old multibus stuff from them. We ballooned up to 16,000 Sq.
Ft. before we broke up, in good part because of arguments about what to keep
or scrap. It is hard to pay the rent on that kind of space.
>
> >
> > Scrap value of your 8008 is less than 25 cents. At $15 you did very well.
> I
>
> The gold might be worth $0.25 (actually, I doubt it). But what about the
> value to somebody who needs this chip to get an old machine running?
>
> > plan on starting with my gold 8080s and EPROM's, not the most collectable
> > stuff. My main interest is in doing better than scrap value. I agree
these
>
> _My_ main interest is keeping as many classics working as possible. And
> this means keeping spare parts available.
Are you willing to pay for shipping and storage. I can;t afford to anymore.
Paxton
At 06:18 PM 12/13/98 -0600, Doug Yowza wrote:
>
>You mean you're going after the jewelry crowd? That should be
>interesting. If I start seeing old women with big hair wearing 4004's
>around their neck, I'll be happy being able to say "I knew Paxton when he
>started this trend."
Nope, you gotta start making CPU beanie babies for people to
hang on the side of their monitors. What's the ticket.
"This beanie baby is the chip used in the Altair!" Or maybe
little dancing chips that wiggle when they hear music.
Or collector cards with pictures of chips, particularly
if you can design a game around them involving magic powers.
- John
Boy, will I have to be careful how I phrase things! My initial response was
to Paxton Hoag's public Classiccmp message to me that he had uncovered
another SOL (I had previously purchased one from him many months ago). My
public response was to thank him but decline, instead suggesting that any
other reader of his message or my message might be interested. I then
offered to take it if no one else was interested (can't have a SOL go to the
junkyard after all). Apparently several people are interested, some of whom
have contacted me and some of whom have contacted Paxton. So Paxton has the
SOL - contact him for details.
(Shall we have a private ClassicCmp eBay.com auction and see who will bid
the highest? {{big wicked grin}} We can then replay the messages about
everyone's collecting / buying / selling / bidding / anti-eBay / pro-market
forces / I'd-rather-give-it-a-good-home philosophies. Are we all unanimous
in our support of diverse opinions? - please raise your hands!)
However, as the last North American bastion against creeping planned
obsolescence (i.e., everything Intel has made since the 8080), as an
original SOL owner, and as a current SOL / N* owner, I am happy to share
copies of documentation and software for cost of copying plus shipping (or
trades - be aware that the SOL manual is very large, but if you can do
without the assembly instructions, it's not too bad - it does have good
schematics and a detailed theory of operation). I am still in the midst of
sorting out some recent ProcTech finds, and will keep the ClassicCmp list
updated with what I have uncovered and what is available as I find the time.
(Yes, I did find a Helios and no, I haven't hooked it up yet).
BTW, whoever said that I had "too many SOLs" ...that's an oxymoron in my
book <g> !
Bob Stek
bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com
Saver of Lost SOLs
Hi Sam,
At 10:48 PM 12/13/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I'm looking at the manual for this thing. It was a pretty righteous
>terminal in its day. Maximum transmission rate is 9600 baud. It had a
>video out so you could hook up an external monitor. According to the
>schematic, the biggest chip on the I/O board is a TR1402A or 1602A (it has
>both numbers written on it).
Sounds like a 40 pin DIP UART.
-Dave
On Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:36:31 EST Innfogra(a)aol.com writes:
>In a message dated 12/13/98 3:05:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>yowza(a)yowza.com
>writes:
>
>>
>> The *beggining* of the Internet revolution? You missed it by
>almost 30
>> years :-) (I was just talking to a guy who was there for the
>installation
>> of IMP #1 at UCLA.)
>>
>You are a pioneer. The revolution starts when it is being adopted by
>the
>masses. This is what is happening right now. Ebay is a part of it. The
>iMac is
>a part of it. Mass use of the Internet will change it so that the
>pioneers
>will have trouble recognizing it. The next few years will be
>interesting.
There is a Chinese *curse* that reads:
"May you live in interesting times"
>Paxton
>
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I knew that ;)
I just forgot for a few minutes.
Then I gues I just have mainstream machines. Except for my Dyna Micro but it
is bare of components so I guess it doesn't really count.
Francois
>Francois wrote:
>>
>> How about the exelvision EXL100? is that a single instance on the list?
>> I also have the IR joysticks.
>> Francois
>
>Sorry, I have a couple of those ;-)
>
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In a message dated 12/13/98 12:57:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, yowza(a)yowza.com
writes:
>
> Your ebay advertising service is great for ebay, and great for sellers,
> but please consider what you do to the poor bidders who already know about
> this stuff and have plans to bid on it.
>
> Advertising an auction is not the same as advertising a Usenet ad, for
> example, in which the advantage goes to those who did their homework and
> legwork earlier than the others. In the auction case, you've simply
> raised the price of the item.
>
The Internet revolution is about making contacts. Marvin is facilitating that.
After reading these comments I immediately went to the listing and looked at
the bidding history. Sure enough, there are at least two of the bidders I
recognize from this list.
When I used to go to auctions I hated to have anyone bid against me. This is a
natural and personal feeling. I was very good at finding sales that few others
went to. It was disappointing when these sales got discovered. However this is
life. Nothing stays the same. I am cultivating new sources. I am also
exploring the new way to buy and sell stuff, Internet auctions.
I don't hold that "spreading the word" is advertising. The Internet is about
community, communication and contacts. It is unfortunate when it impacts you
directly. However this is a revolution and we have to learn to go with the
changes.
It is too bad that Marvin's listing impacted you directly. Marvin was only
informing the community of something of interest. He is being a good
revolutionary. I appreciate that.
On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:50:59 -0800 Larry Anderson <foxnhare(a)goldrush.com>
writes:
>In reference to the memory question some VIC/VC REUs went to 24k (like
>the MSD
>one I have here), but there was also the Aprotek RAM
>expander/cartridge
>expander which filled every gap, all the contiguous memory (including
>the 3k
>portion in lower RAM) as well as the upper 8K Game ROM space. 32k? I
>think
>they gave it a bigger number, maybe by adding the 5k and the ROMS to
>the
>'total memory', regardless, the Aprotek one was the ultimate in VIC-20
>expanders...
Another was the Data20 64k VideoPAK. This sucker had it all: 64k of
paged
RAM, 40 or 80 column display, and a built in terminal emulator. Way
cool.
If you purchased yours towards the end of Data-20's life, you got a
spreadsheet and word processor with it. Mine, alas, broke last fall.
It won't display 80 columns. I also lost the software for it. :-(
ANother cool Data-20 product was the Z-80 VideoPAK. This added a Z-80
cpu, and an 80-column display to the C-64. It was supposed to run
CP/M also. I also have one of these as well (thanks Doug!), but no
software. Still looking.
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