Sorry for that last message... I should have used a cite from
the mail I received... it was in response to a question about
the Maclisp 'Moon' manual I mentioned recently...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
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The book is a light blue cover, no graphics, just text. Clearly
with Moon's name on it... Wraps from front to back, no text on the
back that I remember... (But I don't have it in my hands at this
time... it's at home)...
Anyway, it isn't a lisp machine manual... it is the language manual.
Megan
Anybody have a newer M9312 tech manual which describes the S1 settings for
this beast? The boot ROM (in U20) is a 23-774F1 and I'm trying to boot
RL01's and RL02's (device boot ROM -751A9). My manual is EK-M9312-TM-001,
so it's the first edition.
I'm unsuccessful in getting this machine to boot even though it had been
said to have worked before I got it. Hardware config is the same as when I
got it but I want to just make sure I was told correctly that it worked.
Have to verify S1 switch settings as a beginning.
Flipping the Halt/Cont/Boot switch to Boot causes some flickering of the
RL02 drives' Ready light as if there could be some activity. But it stops
after about 20-30 seconds and the VT100 shows just "@01000000" and is
locked. Manual booting by entering 173000G just shows some register info
such as "@ 1010" on the next line.
Could I get a copy of somebody's latest edition of the tech manual. I'll of
course pay all costs.
Thanks for the help!
-- Chris
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>Well, I guess we lost an RSX document resource for some reason.
>http://rsxbbs.delconet.com/ has a shouting message and graphic:
>"Due to negative comments by posters to vmsnet.pdp-11,
> the RSX BBS was decommissioned on 13 December 1998.
>
> There are no plans to restore the service. Some
> material will be moved to a commercial site.
>
>Previous donors should contact the Webmaster
>to arrange return of their equipment or documents. "
>
>I cannot keep up with Usenet groups for lack of time.
Too bad - there's a lot of good information on the technical
newsgroups (i.e. vmsnet.pdp-11, alt.sys.pdp10) that you'd probably
appreciate.
> Anybody know what the
>'negative comments' were about that I (we) missed?
Bruce had an unusual policy of sending nastygrams to folks who
(gasp!) put a link to his site without permission. Anyone who
did link without permission would find that their network was
no longer able to access his site. When someone mentioned this
policy on vmsnet.pdp-11, Bruce responded by completely shutting
down his web site.
>There were some Emulex docs posted there I wanted to check again (at URL:
>http://rsxbbs.delconet.com/docs/emulex/index.html). Any other location??
I'm not sure what was there (I never had any way to read the Microsoft
Word formats), but if you ask you'll probably find out what you need
to know. What do you need to know?
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... I came across the MACLisp manaul I used in a 'higher level languages'
course at WPI back in the 70s... it is the 'Moon' manual, for those
who might remember such things... Rev.0 !
I wonder how many of those have survived...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
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On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de wrote:
> I think they have been insirated by the Star like anyone
> else, but the Ventura design is more to the direction
> of a single programm and of course made to fit GEM (or
> did DR made GEM to fit the Publisher ?). GEM itself
I think GEM was made first and Publisher was the only really big app for
it. I have a couple of boxes of Ventura and GEM as well over here. The
filemanager is worse than on a macintosh (actually, it's worse than the
MS-DOS shell, IMHO). The graphics have no refined quality to them, they
look like a screensaver that draws boxes with random coordinates :)
Were GEM and Lisa the first non-Xerox GUI projects, or was there some kind
of weird little company that made a perfect gui but vanished into thin
air?
> was like the Mac a downsized (and crushed) version of
> the Star (I still belive all 'modern' GUI systems are
> just the mouse interface but noone took the desktop :( ).
> Maybe with an exception of the OS/2 desktop (Althrough
> still a GUI, it includes a lot more OO than most other).
What about NeXT? That's _supposed_ to be OO...
Is there any way I could find out more in-depth about what the UI was
like? This sounds like an interesting machine. What exactly is meant by an
OO desktop? What about the Amiga? I've heard many people who've used it
say the same thing about it as you're saying about the Xerox machines, and
yet I have the feeling you won't agree.
>
>
> Gruss
> Hans
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-----Original Message-----
From: Barry A. Watzman <Watzman(a)ibm.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, 15 December 1998 12:34
Subject: RE: Saw one...what is that? TI printing terminal Silent 700.
The silent 700's were mostly used for time-sharing remote computing in the
70's. Some models (there were quite a few of them) had built-in modems
(acoustic 300 baud for the most part). They were also used as local
consoles (keyboard/printer). I believe that the printers were 30 chars/sec,
but they may have been somewhat faster, perhaps as much as 120 cps. For
their day, they were considered high-end and very desirable.
IIRC, we had those in the VOLMET broadcast booth in the then Sydney Flight
Service Centre, (Circa 1982).
They were running off a Ferranti Message Switching System (dedicated
24(?)bit mini/mainframe)
at 300 baud, which made them a good deal quicker than the Siemens
electromechanical teleprinters that were used elsewhere in the FSC. They
were used in the booth because they were QUIET and didn't drown out the
announcer when the VOLMET broadcast was on. The old Siemens machines were
designed for 50 or 75, but I think they ran them at 100, which was just
about the physical limit, and NOISY, even in a sound deadening cabinet.
Footnote: I also collect teleprinter machines if anyone in Oz has any they
want to part with.......
Cheers
Geoff
Computer Room Internet Cafe
Port Pirie
South Australia.
netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au
Here's a forwarded message from the Dead Media mailing list.
- John
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:50:11 -0600 (CST)
To: Dead Media List <dead-media(a)fringeware.com>
From: Richard Kadrey <kadrey(a)sirius.com>
Dead Media Working Note 41.3
Dead medium: SPS Flexowriter
From: phxbrd(a)uswest.net (L. Seth Hammond)
Sources: Personal Recollection
>In a windowy world there are still plenty of applications that do great
>work with an 80X24 character (or much less) screen.
I was asked this yesterday (sorta) -- Why the 80x24 standard of yore?
I believe the 80 columns comes from the 80 column punched cards, but I
can't remember where the 24 comes from.
Thanks in advance...
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
In a message dated 12/14/98 1:55:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, yowza(a)yowza.com
writes:
> I think of it as:
> Star ran on the 8010 (codenamed Dandelion)
> Viewpoint ran on the 6085 (codenamed Daybreak)
>
All of the 8010s we got in were running Viewpoint 1.0. The 6085s were running
a mix of Viewpoint 1.X or 2.0. We called the 8010s "Stars" also, not knowing
any difference. Of course this was 5 years ago.
Paxton
