test-drb December 1998

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by rcini＠msn.com

Hello, all: Through the kindness of our own Bill Yakowenko, I've been given a copy of the MOS Microcomputers Hardware Manual, which I scanned last night. It appears that this document is like a summary of and a design guidelines white paper for the MOS 65xx product line, but it includes information traditionally found in the data sheets, like pinouts, pin function descriptions, mask-programmable options, chip architecture and function, plus so much more! The chips covered explicitly in the book include the 6501, 6502, 6503-05, 6520, and 6530. It also describes "System Diagnosis Using Hardware Programmer Aids", which mentions the KIM, TIM (Teletype Input Monitor), and the MDT (Microcomputer Development Terminal). The TIM is implemented as a single 6530 chip. The MDT appears to be acomplete development system: "MDT is a prepackaged system and, therefore, should not have the problems described above {debugging the initial system design} unless it is being used in in circuit emulation mode. Therefore, the user will be primarily be debugging his programs and his basic interconnection to his I/O devices with the MDT." This is a large scan, and will be posted in parts. Enjoy. [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <================ reply separator =================>

26 years

disk drive database

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I think a few words will sum up the whole situation: U/B error (User/Browser error). I can log on to the site fine with various versions of IE from 1.x to 4.0, Netscape Navigator 3.0, NetTamer (text - 2400 modem), Opera, and Mosaic (Mac Portable, 2400 modem). Granted, frames doesn't work in the earlier versions of IE and in NetTamer, but I can successfully log onto the site with no username/password prompt. -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1> -----Original Message----- From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 12:50 AM Subject: Re: disk drive database >On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >> >I just went in with no problems. Is it possible a filter has been installed >> >to reject your site(s)? >> >> Not sites, browsers. Sam, what browser are you using? From Netscape > >I'm using Communicator 4.6. It was working fine just a few weeks ago when >I added the link to the VCF links page. I'll try it with this default >version of IE in Win95... > >Nope, still no dice. > >> 4.08/Mac I can't access the site, but using lynx from my server (Alpha >> running OpenBSD) I can access the site. Second alternative is it doesn't >> like NAT/IP Masq suddenly. > >Hmmm, Lynx from the shell will take me to the main site, and to /tech, but >I get this when I try to go to /tech/no_frames.html: > > The requested URL /tech/no-frames.html was not found on this server. > >I think I'll send a bitch to the webmaster. > >Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Always being hassled by the man. > > Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 12/07/98] > >

26 years

Packet Radio (was:Re: Modem tones over television or radio)

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Now that we seem to have drifted to the topic of Packet radio, I was wondering if anyone knew where I could pick up an inexpensive box (not sure what they're called - the packet converter?). Even an old, "obsolete one would be good, since I was going to try to connect it to a 286 or 8088 laptop (probably 8088 Zenith). ThAnX -and- Happy Holidaze, -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1> -----Original Message----- From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)netcom.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 8:18 PM Subject: Re: Modem tones over television or radio > > > Ummm, Bill... you mean the Navy had AX.25 protcol damn near 40 >years before Bolt Beranek and Newman....? > > Now *Baudot* Teletype over radio...maybe, and I'd like to see that >document, since I love the "green keys" and run RTTY more than voice, >but AFAIK, the Tuscon Amateur Packet Radio club first transmitted >AX.25 over radio in the late 70s / early 80s, and did so only after >the advent of easily-available microprocessors to implement the >Packet Assembler/Disassembler function. > > > Cheers and Best of the Season to All: > > John > >> >> >

26 years

Filetypes (was Re: Xerox)

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Me and a friend almost liberated a DIGITAL sign from the Field Service >office but they beat us to it. My mother liberated a stop sign once >though she got in loads of trouble, but she still has the sign :) When the RT-11 development group moved out of the Mill for the Parker St. complex, I kept the "8/11 systems engineering" sign which had hung outside our area... I also kept one of the 'exit' signs which someone had modified (keeping in mind RT-11 programmed requests) to read '.EXIT' A few months before the Monster Board had renovations to ML5-5 done (after Digital sold the Mill complex) I was able to go back and get one of the 'ML5-5' signs. Just a few remnants/keepsakes of a different time... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

26 years

OT: Value/money making (was Re: SOL feeding frenzy?)

by cmcmanis＠freegate.com

At 07:00 PM 12/15/98 -0600, Doug wrote: >However, if money isn't the main goal, there are alternatives that work. >Following your reasoning, all of the museums would be empty. Actually this is why there is very little of the artifacts from the Spanish Galleon "Atocha" in museums. The same is true for paintings, many are traded by art dealera for profit, and now and then they get donated to museums or the museum uses its own "acquisitions" fund for adding to their collection. The bottom line is that I agree that preserving computers has in my opinion more "value" than the potential dollars involved. To give a "real life" example, I have a PDP-8/m that I am attempting to get running (it needs a core stack and potentially a bit of power supply work.) The goal of getting it running is so that it can be put on _operating_ display at a "hands on" museum. Now as readers of the list know I've been looking for a core stack for it for a few months now. Recently (in the last couple of months) I've been getting inquiries from _dealers_, some subtle some less so, of people who want to buy it (not working!). [for those counting the highest offer has been $1,000]. I even got Aaron all pissed off at me because I was concerned _he_ was one such dealer. All of this hassle because 1) the "collectible" computer market has moved into more mainstream places, and 2) the prices have gotten to the point where "real" people notice. (e.g. professional dealers). So the role of "collector" takes on more the role of "caretaker." You and I are classic computer caretakers, we care about the computers, we care about their history, we care about how they are used, and we care that they will survive us. People who buy and sell "collectible" computers in order to increase their personal wealth are "collectors" in the more common usage of the word. The collectors are "moving in" and the caretakers job gets harder. This isn't news to anyone here I'm sure, --Chuck McManis

26 years

Compaticard IV, anyone?

by A_Finney＠wfi-inc.com

My quarterly troll for a Micro-Solutions Compaticard... If anyone has one they would trade/sell, I'm sure I could come up with something interesting enough to make it worth while. Or if anyone finds one in a junk bin somewhere, I'd be more than happy to pay cost/shipping/finder's fee for one. As always, please reply via private email. Aaron

26 years

Luftschiffe (was:ebay - Minivac 601, 1st pers. digital computer 1960s)

by kurtkilg＠geocities.com

>Yes, this is pretty much off topic, but as I said before, >airships were the immediate cause of my getting involved with >computers back in the late 70s when I was fresh out of the >USAF and sick and tired of heavier-than-air equipment. With the exception of certain bloated operating systems that indeed float on vapour, most computers are heavier-than-air equipment :) Why _were_ you sick of airplanes?

26 years

Language and wiered people

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, 18 December 1998 0:36 Subject: Language and wiered people >Say, is there at least ONE (1) ordinary person around >on this list ? Just by being here, we announce ourselves to be technophile collectors, with a sense of history, and a liking for unusual, oldish, sometimes very large and complex hardware, on which we spend considerable time and money, when you can get an 'ordinary' computer for a fraction of the effort..... If we were born 30 years earlier, we'd probably have been collectors/restorers of antique cars or aeroplanes or steam engines instead. In short, I doubt it.... Their are enough ordinary people in the world to let a few be a little unique (or eccentric I suppose). Just my 2c worth. Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie South Australia. My ICQ# is 1970476 Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile) 61-8-8633-0619 (Home) 61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct) 61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)

26 years

disk drive database

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/17/98 8:55:17 PM EST, jpero(a)pop.cgocable.net writes: << Tonite I'm able to access it from Netscape 4.08/Mac, where last night I > couldn't. > > Zane Zane, Nope. I tried again after this msg. I'm disappointed. email: jpero(a)cgocable.net Pero, Jason D. >> still no go here either.

26 years

Another ~1960 computer kit - Philips?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/16/98 7:04:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk writes: > > You're right. It's a logic trainer and not a computer (well, unless you > can afford a few hundred modules...) But it's an interesting toy. > Yes, we set it up at the whse sales to entertain the children who came with the adults. Paxton

26 years

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