Not to mention power problems! But I have the feeling that's a
bit small! Nothing on the scale of the Pentium II has ever been
achieved with transistors, never mind relays, and I'm sure they
tried. For example, it would be possible to place transistors at
1 per cubic inch, and have the cool adequately, but it's clearly
never been attempted, because if it were, there would be boxes
to plug into a PC XT to get Pentium II speeds.
>Assuming each relay occupied a cubic inch, one million relays would
>occupy a cube 100 inches on each side, or just a bit over 8 feet on
each side.
>Not ridiculously large.
>
>Of course, real relays much smaller than a cubic inch are readily
available,
>and a real computer of that density would have incredible cooling
>problems.
>
>Tim.
>
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Oh and by the way I have the manual sitting on my desk right now (actually
on top of my scanner). If you're still interested I could scan the 7 pages
of the glossary and BASIC syntax guidelines and place it on my wed site
tonight (I wanted to do that for several machines anyway). There is also 5
pages of error codes right after that (If I have time I'll set it up too)
Francois
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-----Original Message-----
From: Megan <mbg(a)world.std.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: HP85 - need info
>
>Sorry about that... I thought the person had replied to me directly...
>that'l teach me to check the headers...
>
> Megan
>
Hey it's OK maybe others will be interested in the discussion
Francois
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-----Original Message-----
From: Megan <mbg(a)world.std.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: HP85 - need info
>
>Sorry about that... I thought the person had replied to me directly...
>that'l teach me to check the headers...
>
> Megan
>
I picked up a working HP85 this past weekend at the MIT flea...
The person I got it from told me that he had 8 or so of them at
the beginning of the day, and some of them had IEEE options and
manuals, etc...
Anyway, I have no manual for it and I was hoping someone might
have one they could either make a copy of for me, or provide
some information about the machine. Please contact me off-line.
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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Hi Megan,
I've got a hp-85 manual *somewhere* that I'll try to find... in the mean
time, to get you started:
DISP = PRINT (to screen)
CRT IS x
PRINTER IS x
where x = device code: 1 for screen or 2for printer
so, you can prints to screen and screen output to printer....
try LDIR 90 and then a PRINT/DISP for some coolness as well....
I'll look for the manual
- Mike dogas(a)leading.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Megan <mbg(a)world.std.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 11:51 PM
Subject: HP85 - need info
>
>I picked up a working HP85 this past weekend at the MIT flea...
>
>The person I got it from told me that he had 8 or so of them at
>the beginning of the day, and some of them had IEEE options and
>manuals, etc...
>
>Anyway, I have no manual for it and I was hoping someone might
>have one they could either make a copy of for me, or provide
>some information about the machine. Please contact me off-line.
>
> Megan Gentry
> Former RT-11 Developer
>
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>| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com |
>| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' |
>| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
>| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
>| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
>+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
>
I think the the type ahead buffer is just a ring buffer config'd with a few
bios values and easily reprogrammable...
more info available if needed...
- Mike: dogas(a)leading.net
Bill;
I am on the Board of Directors for the Oregon Country Fair and this is a very
busy month. I am on the road a lot and often unable to reply. I just returned
home.
I got your message and will call you tomorrow. The Cromemcos have all been
sold as have the Smoke Signal Broadcasting systems. I still have Tek,
Viewpoint 2 Software & the wavemate Jupiter. Looking through an early Byte I
ran across a Jupiter 7 running a high res monitor. Since this has no model
number and is all wirewrap I suspect this is an early prototype.
Paxton
] The attoparsec/microfortnight is remarkably close to the inch/second.
] Quite useful for quoting tape speeds :-)
A friend of mine once made a PostScript ruler scaled in attoparsecs.
I just found it and slapped it into my web directory. Here's the
URL: http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/ruler.ap.ps
Of course, this depends on your printer being accurate, but the
"B" side is marked off in inches, so you could at least compare
with a trusted ruler to see if your printer needs adjustment.
Um, PostScript is classic, isn't it? :-)
Cheers,
Bill.
