Well, comparing myself to _most_ of the keds in my school, I'd say 'odd' is
the word. In my school, they have a "freak day", where everyon dresses up
in screwy clothes, and purple hair and everything. Even the teachers do
it.
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
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> From: Brett <danjo(a)xnet.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Units of measure (Was: discrete transistors
> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 11:38 PM
>
>
> On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Jason Willgruber wrote:
> > I think the only reason that I know this is that I collect antique
radios.
> > maybe I'm just odd...
>
> Whoa - change that view - You are not odd - just exceptional 8-)
>
> BC
>
> >So, believe it or not my naive young man, people are dumb enough to lose
> >the source code.
> What I don't believe are these claims that the heart of the Y2K
> problem are thousands of businesses running apps as old as I am,
> that haven't had to change, or that can't be changed. How many
> serious businesses are still running the same unchanged sourceless
> app since 1978, much less 1968 or 1958?
Most of them are not completely unchanged, but the changes
are only in some parts that have been changed every year once
or twice - and large parts haven't changed at all for the last
20 or 30 years.
Also don't forget - for some programm parts there might be
a source, but the object code has been patched (not uncomon)
and the source doesn't reflect the programm. Or source tools
(assemblers etc) where used, wich are not availabe today !
Or the source is stored in a library where no LMS needed is
available - or they are stored on tapes no longer readable
(to bee correct no longer readable means in most cases only
they can't be just inserted and read - you know, some of the
Y2K heros don't spend more than 20 minutes before they decide
'Source gone').
Gruss
H.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
> mac128k in box for $260? hmmm
> I have the same,except my mac has a rare documented upgrade board that
> basically turns it into a mac+ complete with scsi. oooh, and i have IW2 in box
> also. mine's worth $1000! lol
I was in, but the price sored to a laughter ...
To many rich jerks out there.
Gruss
H.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
< John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> wrote:
< > This reminds me of a claim I hear in Y2K discussions, but can hardly
< > believe: that businesses are running the same *executables* since
< > the 1950s/60s/70s, and that they don't have the source code to fix it.
< > Sure, they might not have the source to the OS, but their own apps?
Actually this is more common that you'd think. Many cases the
company didn't write the code, they contracted for it or it's
a canned application. In most of those cases they never had
the source! Then the people that had the source go out of business
and the code is effectively lost.
I worked for a company that had to sue to get the source for an app they
used for some 5 years so they could fix a bug! The bug was that RSTS-11
upgrade cased the app to crash. They needed the upgrade to keep the
hardware and OS service contract alive on an 11/34 that ran the place.
Allison
>< I'm still skeptical. I'd love to hear more first-hand reports of
>< the oldest code still running as-is. Come on, code from the 50s
>< that's never been replaced? Running on what? Under an emulator?
>
>Ok, howabout a Brigeport milling machine with the PDP-8E it was purchased
>with in 1975, still running the same code.
How about a major circuit board mfg that has 20+ PDP11/04 and 11/24's that
could not even tell me what operating system they were running. I was and
still am suppling them with parts to keep the systems running. It took me a
while when I went on a service call there to figure it out. DOS11 beleive
it or not. With RL01 and RL02's some of the systems only have paper tape.
They are using the systems to control routers, drills and test sets. They
also wanted to know about possibility of Y2K compliance - no sources, DOS11
had no RL drivers so the must have written their own.
Dan
>
>More people should insist on proper documentation. On a couple of
>occasions I've returned a device to the shop that sold it under the UK
>sale of goods act. The reason? It was not fit for the purpose that I
>bought it for because important documentation (register maps, connector
>pinouts, etc) was not available. Alas I doubt if the company ever
>realised or cared..
I sure wish they had those laws here in the US. The only to get
documentation is to make it a line item on the purchase order and hold back
payment until the PO is complete.
Dan
>
>When I was a lad, we used to use a fine jet of helium and spray that
>round any possible leaks. It shows up very clearly on a mass spectromter.
>Some of them even had a setting on one of the controls to look for the
>appropriate peak (4, I guess).
>
Virtually all the instruments I am involved with have a GC for sample
introduction so there is helium present all the time. Do they ever think of
using the tank of argon sitting off to the side? Much less know the mass of
argon? (40) Do they ever think of using any of the gallons of methanol
present in all the labs? or even know offhand what mass to look for. (31
there is to much 32 from the leak - O2)
The heliun/argon works on the source region but on the analyzer region you
have to resort to numerous other methods - there is nothing to ionize the
gas. Instead you have to use solvents and look for the pressure burst when
the liquid volitizes in the vac. I have had to even pressurize the system
with heliun and use a gas leak detector to find some. - A bad weld on a
diffusion pump is the worst to find. At hi vac. it is extremly hot when it
is cold the pump oil seals the leak.
What makes it even more fun is I have no diploma other than high school. I
have taught numerous classes in mass spec to masters and phd's on operation,
maintenance and troubleshooting. It gets really funny when they find out I
have had only 1 university course - sociology.
Dan
Ok it should be there now. Under tech info
Let me know if it is useable or if I'd be better off with the original scans
at 120K a piece.
Francois
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-----Original Message-----
From: Megan <mbg(a)world.std.com>
To: fauradon(a)pclink.com <fauradon(a)pclink.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: HP85 - need info
>
>>Oh and by the way I have the manual sitting on my desk right now
>>(actually on top of my scanner). If you're still interested I could scan
>>the 7 pages of the glossary and BASIC syntax guidelines and place it on
>>my wed site tonight (I wanted to do that for several machines anyway).
>>There is also 5 pages of error codes right after that (If I have time
>>I'll set it up too)
>
>That would be great... thanks.
>
> Megan
>
Wanted: LCD for a Bondwell B310 laptop. Half of the LCD in mine quit
working. it is a non-backlit LCD, but I'd like to know if there is a
backlit version available for this computer (this is the CGA, not the VGA
version).
There's the specs:
SHARP LM64032
NEEDED: HD controller for a Tandy 1400HD laptop.
ANY help is appreciated, as I need to rescue data from the 1400, and I'd
like to get the Bondwell working.
As always,
ThAnX in advance,
-Jason
PS>> The Tandy is within the 10-yr limit. the Bondwell has about 6 months
to go...
> I am trying to basically build a 64Bit Z-80 on a board. What I am
>looking for is: Anyone know of any chips that are EXTREMELY simple
>micro-controllers but, work at EXTREMELY high clock rates??? I wanna put
>a few on a board with some memory and made a 64-bit Z-80. I'd like the
>processor to operate at 300Mcyc (or faster) clock speeds so, I figure I
>need micro-controllers that operate at about 900 Mcyc to do the work.
You're pretty much looking at ECL here, I think.
Some of the new gate arrays will clock at 100 MHz, but that's still
nowhere need 900 MHz.
Tim.
