>>Ummm... RedHat, Caldera, and Debian can all use RPMS. Packages that
>> aren't RPMed are usually .tar.gz or .tgz and can be installed by RTFMing.
>Thanks, just wondering... :) But when I use the program to manage
>all s/w much like the win95's feature, will this kind still work?
I don't know about the others, but pre-install Debian has a program that
lets you choose filesystem types. There are also options on dselect.
(Debian's version of RPM. It's a lot simplier, but still more powerful than
NT will be for sometime to come.)
Tim D. Hotze
> they go to landfill. You see, at our local landfills there is a company
> called Revolve that has scavenging rights, and rescues all this stuff.
> I've picked up a Tandy CoCo 3 with box, manuals and some software, a
> Commodore 64 with Datasette, music keyboard overlay, manuals, software and
> box, a Commodore 128, a Commodore 1541-II and 1571 floppy drive,a BBC Model
> B with floppy drive, an Atari 1024STfm with monitor, a Amstrad CPC464 with
> monitor and an Apple IIe with disk drive, all for about $5 to $10 each.
> All of them except the Atari ST worked fine at first switch-on (the ST
> still doesn't work - I suspect a memory fault). I also managed to pick
> up four Vectrex cartridges for $2. It's now got to the point that
> people often drop their stuff off directly at Revolve rather than
> dumping it at the landfill (especially now the local government has
> instituted a fee to dump stuff at the landfill).
>
> Of course, the only problem is that since all the stuff is stored outside
> you have to get to it before the rain hits...
You lucky beggar! I wish there was something like that around here
(central England)!
Rain is not as bad as many people think. The water is (fairly) pure,
and things often only need drying. When I upgraded my Commodore 8296 to
an 8296D, the parts came from a machine in the skip at work - some of
them I had to dig out of the snow...
Philip.
Sure. I've seen 486/33DX systems with 4MB of RAM and Windows 3.1 go for
around $275. So 386's don't sell for that... but still... and you could
sell high-end 486's for much more than that. Heck, AMD even made the X5, a
586 compatible processor for 486/DX4 motherboards that works at 133MHz.
Those go for around $500.
-----Original Message-----
From: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca <jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: I don't believe this ****
> That's TERRIBLE. I mean 486 parts can even get SOLD AS-IS for a decent
sum
> of money. The whole system goes for a couple hundred. So if they're
going
> to scrap 'em.... but anyway, lots of schools, non-profit orginazations,
etc.
> would love to have decent 386's, and 486's would be better. Sure, you
can't
> play Quake on 'em, but a 386 was designed with 10 years of x86 software in
> mind.
Yepper! I would beat up that one because of several things also
real nice to donate those to schools, etc and including me looking
for some parts to fix some other items. AS IS at that price? No
way!
Jason D.
Oops... well, scratch that. but the Romans DID conquer, the Eqyptians DID
kill, the Sumerians did a few things, and the Greeks... well, let's just say
that they didn't really mind war. OK?
-----Original Message-----
From: Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)retrocomputing.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: I don't believe this ****
>
>
>> And, as history has proven, it is easy to destroy, as the Romans,
>> Egyptians, Sumerians, and Greeks did, but it is so hard to CREATE and
>> PRESERVE. That's why we must try to save these things. Eventually, when
>
>Uhhhhhhh....hmmmmmmm...never mind, it'd be off topic.
>
>Anthony Clifton - Wirehead
>
classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
Subj: Re: UNIX questions?
Barry Peterson wrote:
!On Sun, 4 Jan 98 01:17:06 PST, you said:
!
!<snip>
!
!>A web page discussing flavors and ports
!>at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/BSD-info/BSD.html seems to be inaccesible
!>at this time.=20
!
!I just checked it; it's there.
Thanks for the reminder, I can see it now too.
Bruce Lane had a question about netbooting BSD on a DEC 3100 MIPs machine.
I thought that I had squirreled away some info on it - but it turns out
to be pertinent to VAX not MIPs. If it is of any use to anyone herein
was the posting to the linux-vax list from this past Oct 6:
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From: Brian Chase <brianc(a)carpediem.com>
To: pvhp(a)forte.com
Subject: VAXstation Netboot HOWTO Update.
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment: Linux Vax Port List
I've made some minor content modifications to the VAXstation Netboot
HOWTO. More are on the way as hopefully the IRIX, Solaris, and NeXTSTEP
sections are completed.
I've reworked the HOWTO using the Linux Documentation Project's
SGML-tools. So now the HOWTO comes in a slighly different plain text
flavor and a super-nifty HTML version.
http://www.carpediem.com/~brianc/projects/vaxen/VAXstation-netboot-HOWTOhttp://www.carpediem.com/~brianc/projects/vaxen/VAXstation-netboot-HOWTO.ht…
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Peter Prymmer
>It'll be nice when Caldera follows up on their promise to release the
>source code for CP/M and DR-DOS (now OpenDOS). _That_ will definitely
>have some results on-topic for this mailing list.
http://cdl.uta.edu/cpm/
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
At 21:25 5/01/98 -0600, Anthony Clifton wrote:
>
>> Anything other than 486+
>> get's melted down for scrap? I'm sorry, but that includes A LOT of systems
>> that there are a lot of people that would love to have them.
>
>You guys know that I agree with your sentiment 100%. That said, I'd
>rather see the systems melted down for scrap (assuming it's a reasonably
>efficient and environmentally safe process) than to see them go into a
>landfill. I can't imagine how many beautiful systems are rusting away
>under 3 million tons of garbage someplace. I don't want to see them
>scrapped either, mind you, but given the choice....
Actually, here in Canberra (which is the capital of Australia, *not* Sydney
or Melbourne (off topic, but one of my pet peeves, sorry)), I'd much prefer
they go to landfill. You see, at our local landfills there is a company
called Revolve that has scavenging rights, and rescues all this stuff.
I've picked up a Tandy CoCo 3 with box, manuals and some software, a
Commodore 64 with Datasette, music keyboard overlay, manuals, software and
box, a Commodore 128, a Commodore 1541-II and 1571 floppy drive,a BBC Model
B with floppy drive, an Atari 1024STfm with monitor, a Amstrad CPC464 with
monitor and an Apple IIe with disk drive, all for about $5 to $10 each.
All of them except the Atari ST worked fine at first switch-on (the ST
still doesn't work - I suspect a memory fault). I also managed to pick up
four Vectrex cartridges for $2. It's now got to the point that people
often drop their stuff off directly at Revolve rather than dumping it at
the landfill (especially now the local government has instituted a fee to
dump stuff at the landfill).
Of course, the only problem is that since all the stuff is stored outside
you have to get to it before the rain hits...
Regards,
| Scott McLauchlan |"Sometimes the need to mess with their heads|
|Information Services Division| outweighs the millstone of humiliation." |
| University of Canberra |__________Fox_Mulder_"The_X-Files:_Squeeze"_|
| scott(a)isd.canberra.edu.au |http://www.canberra.edu.au/~scott/home.html |
On the subject of scrapping systems, I found too late that an IBM Convertible
had gone to the trash. I didn't get to use it, and I only now found the
original notepad-address book-etc. program on the IBM ftp site. I once had a
computer store in the neighborhood that threw away dozens of machines (empty
PC cases, mostly) each day. That moved away :( I often am forced to leave
machines where they are, just because I can't have dozens of 386's and 286's
in my apartment, but it's a shame. If they were lighter, I would give them to
people. Now, I have a relative in NJ who says that his company throws away
486s. So much for affirmative action. One last thing. I keep seeing people
mention how they get dozens of CoCos for free, find them in shops for $5,
etc. Look, I have never even SEEN a CoCo, and I live in Boston, MA, where I
thought there were lots of computers. I would love to run an enhanced CoCo.
The worst thing is, back when that computer store was still here, I didn't
know what to take. Maybe they were throwing away PDP-11s and Alphas and
Crays, I will never know.
classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
Subj: Re: UNIX questions?
Tony Duell wrote:
>Ob classic-computer-OS. I agree with some other messages on this list - a
>Linux/minix port to the PDP11 would be very nice. The PDP11 is just about
>unique in that it's a popular classic computer with _no_ freely
>distributable OS (in fact, unless you have the license transferred, you
>can't even legally run what it was running before you got it). Now that
>CP/M is jsut about free for home use, as is LDOS (for the TRS-80), OS8,
>Linux, Minix (for educational use), etc, it appears that the PDP11 is the
>machine that's left out of all this.
I am not sure if things were different for the DEC OSes for the PDP-11
but for VMS (VAX & AXP) one can legally run the OS and attendant utilities
(DECnet & the DCL shell) with transfer of ownership. To be legal you
have to purchase new license PAKs and/or new distributions for any of the
layered products which includes all the interesting compilers, DBses etc.
BTW to Bruce Lane regarding BSDs: A web page discussing flavors and ports
at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/BSD-info/BSD.html seems to be inaccesible
at this time.
For money you could try Ultrix as in:
http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/DECinfo/.2/SPD/26.40.32.txt
- and I thought digital was no longer selling ultrix products (?)
Peter Prymmer
does anyone need some old Bernoulli 8in 20MB Flexible Disk Cartridges?
I got about 45 of them, plus a cleaning kit. The company was gonna toss
'em.
Let me know if you are interested.
Kelly
KFergason(a)aol.com
