test-drb January 1998

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by jfoust＠threedee.com

I got an e-mail from InnFoGraphics Warehouse Liquidation, of a sale January 10 and 11, 733 SE 9th Ave. (Upstairs), Portland, OR 97214 with : "Chieftan S50, S100, Morrow, Altos, Nec, XORI, Kaypro, Xerox, Mindset, OSM Zeus, DEC computers, 11/73, 11/44, Vax 11/730, HSC50, RA60, TU 81 Plus, RA 81s, 486 & 386 PCs" etc. and lots more radio / TV / electronics, see <http://members.aol.com/innfograph/index.htm> for more info. - John

26 years, 5 months

OLD PC's

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 09:11 PM 1/8/98 +0300, you wrote: >The problem with this guies theroies: In this 3rd world country, schools >have MMX machines. Perhaps, but is that: a) Schools for dependents of US citizens working for US companies in Bahrain, b) local schools in an wealthy country (i.e., the government is wealthy even if the citizenry isn't) c) only the schools located in the major cities? In the philippines, it ain't true. Heck, my girlfriend's sister-in-law's family doesn't even have a telephone. There is a company here in San Francisco that ships hundreds (if not thousands) of older PC's and such overseas *everyday*. They're huge, and it's really an amazing operation. And yes, they occassionally get some classic computers worth saving. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

26 years, 5 months

HP3000 editor (was: Frank knows his stuff)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 05:22 PM 1/6/98 -0500, you wrote: > Qedit >> is an incredible editor while MPEX extends the capabilities of the OS. > >Yeah, but they want something like $90 for it! I found another, that's free >(even has spell check). Will send to anyone on request. If Qedit for the HP3000 is only $90, you'd be well off to purchase it! Especially if you're planning on any kind of development. On the other hand, I believe there is a PC editor with the same name (unrelated and not as good.) (Best Windows editor I've seen is Programmer's File Editor -- $0, and the guy wouldn't take money when I wanted to send him some! This is off topic, email me for details.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

26 years, 5 months

Mac IIci, was [Re: The IBM PS/2 model 70 again! -E61]

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 07:47 PM 1/7/98 EST, you wrote: >I like the IIcis. They're cute little things. Pretty fast, too. The only The IIci is probably my favorite classic mac (other than the portable, perhaps). Great case, compact and easy to work on. Built-in video too. >years. They have two problems. One is that the monitors power up >intermittently, probably due to the transformer. Ideas? The other is the disk The monitor is separate, kinda irrelevant to the CPU. If the monitor is bad, just get a new monitor. (they can, as someone mentioned, run a VGA monitor with the right adapter.) >drives. They were all blown out with compressed air, but still didn't start >working correctly. Ideas? I assume you mean the floppy drives. Again, they can be replaced, although mac floppy drives aren't cheap. Depending on your exact situation, you can often get away without a working floppy. (If you mean the hard drive, that's even easier; it's a standard 3.5" scsi drive.) The IIci can run a CD-ROM drive, connect to the internet, and do just about anything you'd like. Rachel's got 3 (I think) of them in her classroom, plus one at home (her first computer, now her niece's). --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

26 years, 5 months

Seeking info on a PA63 unit

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Ok, here's an odd one... In a recent stack of items that I picked up, I came across a chassis with a status indicator panel suggesting that it was some type of reader/punch controller, and an id tag reading "Model PA63". It is obviously a DEC unit, but I've never seen any information on such a thing that I can recall. A more or less DEC standard looking wire wrapped backplane, standard 19 inch chassis about 6 inchec tall, and three fans. No power supply, but a large cable off of the backplane that looks like it was intended to connect to an external supply. Status displays for reader and punch data and status, and a reader and punch 'unit select' display. I keep thinking that if it turns out to be interesting, I might want to restore it and install it on one of my systems. But, I'll need some info and a set of prints to make any headway. Anyone familiar with this beast? -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

26 years, 5 months

OLD PC's

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

The problem with this guies theroies: In this 3rd world country, schools have MMX machines. -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence T. Mathison <LMATHISON(a)BCPS.ORG> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 5:40 PM Subject: OLD PC's >The Baltimore County Public Schools have 100's of old (286 & earlier) PC >that need a disposal outlet. We are looking for companies that buy old >machines for resale in third-world countries. Any info that you have >that will help us to identifiy companies in this business will be >greatly appreciated. Larry Mathison (410) 887-7838, >LMATHISON(a)BCPS.ORG. > >

26 years, 5 months

FW: IBM Magnetic cards

by engine＠chac.org

From: Kimberley Weathers <kweather(a)bcm.tmc.edu> Subject: IBM Magnetic cards I work at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, in their archives. I found these cards are shaped like a punch card, but look like a floppy diskette without the cover. They're from about 1976, and I can't find anyone, not even at IBM, to read them. Any ideas? I know that after all this they may not even work, but it's worth a try, because this looks like important info. Any suggestions? Thank you, Kimberley Weathers kweather(a)bcm.tmc.edu __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

26 years, 5 months

Tektronix 6132 workstations

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Thu Jan 8 15:08:02 1998 ^^^^^ <Do you mean a National Semi 32000 class cpu? Kewl. Boy, those were <hot, hot, hot when they hit the market in the early 80's. National <did everything right on this one: Full object code compatibility <between the 8,16 and 32 bit versions of the device; truly orthogonal <instruction set, and so on. Mondo cool. It also was THE FIRST true <32-bit cpu on the market (according to an EDN magazine article). Look at that one and then look at VAX... the similarity is very strong. <Did I say National did everything right? Yes. Well, depends on how <you look at it. You couldn't run dos or CP/M on it. This, I <suppose, was it's fatal 'flaw' (although I am of the opinion that <that such compatibility would be a major DEFECT, but never mind). The problem was it was late and only the slow ones with no second source. <That and National didn't market the device very well, although <it was used in alot of embedded applications. I wonder how much <further it would have gone, had the free Unices we have today been <available back then . . . . The lack of OS support, lack of a perceived need for 32bits, late entry into the market, poor marketing and the 808x and 68k being both well embedded in the market were factors that could not be missed. Allison

26 years, 5 months

C-64c, How common?

by lfb107＠psu.edu

At 11:23 PM 8/8/97 -0700, Cord Coslor wrote: >I have a C64c, although I haven't found them to be very common. This unit may >be for sell as well if anyone is looking for one. Also, I too found a C64 in a >third party case that looked just like the c-64... and it also was made in >Australia. I can get this for anyone that might want this unit as well. Let me >know. > >CORD COSLOR I have heard that there were about 1 million of these produced with about 3 different subtle kinds made. (Different LED's, new vs old style keyboards, etc.) Of course, compared to the 9+ million 64's produced I guess that means that 64c's are *relatively* uncommon. Les

26 years, 5 months

Tektronix 6132 workstations

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

><Do you mean a National Semi 32000 class cpu? Kewl. Boy, those were ><hot, hot, hot when they hit the market in the early 80's. National ><did everything right on this one: Full object code compatibility ><between the 8,16 and 32 bit versions of the device; truly orthogonal ><instruction set, and so on. Mondo cool. It also was THE FIRST true ><32-bit cpu on the market (according to an EDN magazine article). > >Look at that one and then look at VAX... the similarity is very strong. I don't know; I didn't see it. To me, a processor architecture is hung off the register structure and how the registers are used. When I read the introductory chapters of the NS32 book, I got all excited, but when I actually waded through the description of the machine I felt let down. The thing about the VAX is that the entire machine is built around the general purpose register set. Things that are special in other architectures (immediate values, pushing and popping the stack) are simply side effects of everyday addressing modes on the VAX. You can pop things from the stack because you can pop them from any register; MOV R0,(R1)+ works just as well as MOV R0,(SP)+. Immediate values are fundamentally popping things from the PC: MOV R0,(PC)+. The NS32K required special address modes for these operations because SP and PC weren't general purpose registers. I'm also not impressed by folks who claim that a 68000 is a whole lot like a PDP-11 for the same reason... Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

26 years, 5 months

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