> From: Bob Wood <altair8800(a)hotmail.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Altair prices!
> Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 8:19 AM
>
> No, I'm not talking about Ebay prices.
>
> Instead I thought you might be interested
> in seeing an original Altair Price list
> from July,1976. Here's the link to a jpeg of it...
> http://home.att.net/~rwood54741/25.jpg
>
> We have heard that the 680 was a failure
> because the 16k memory card for it cost more than
> the computer. Take a look at this list and you
> will see it in black and white. The 680 computer kit
> cost $466 ($625 assembled). The 16K memory card cost
> a staggering $685 as a kit and $865 assembled. That
> is a whopping $43 per 1k of memory.
>
Yipes! And I thought paying $43 for a 4 meg SIMM a few years ago was
expensive!
> Bob Wood
>
>
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> I had a Phillips XT that had 760k RAM. No idea how they did it but
> it reported the memory available at start-up and definitely didn't
> use Quarterdeck.
>
> ciao larry
>
My Tandy 1000 HX has a memory board giving me 736K RAM (and EMS).
I don't know how they do it but it's pretty neat.
That added new life to this old machine though.
Marc
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i have this big apple monitor that i need some help with. it's big, beige,
and heavy with a motorized tilt screen and a db15 connector. i'm having a
video problem with the monitor. i don't get any kind of raster screen and i
do not have the special card to run it on my //e. i've tried it on the video
port of my laser 128 and on my dodgy apple ///, all to no avail. can anyone
figure out a possible solution? if i cannot get it to work, i'd like to get
rid of it, but it's so heavy it wouldnt be worth shipping unless you live in
north carolina.
david
Don't quote me on this - I'm not a Lisa expert. I've heard the internal
HD's on Lisa's referred to as a Widget drive, so I believe you're correct
on that one. It's sort of like the internal HD on the WANG WLTC was
referred to (at least in the manual) as a Winchester Disk.
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> From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Lisa battery leakage??
> Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 8:33 PM
>
> >On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Zane H. Healy wrote:
> >
> >> Lisa -- 2 5.25" flippy drives
> >[...]
> >> NOTE: not too sure flippy and widget are the correct terms.
> >
> >Don't know about widget, but shouldn't flippy be twiggy?
>
> Um, yeah, that's it :^)
>
> Zane
>
>
> >-- Doug
>
> | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator |
> | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast |
> | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector |
> +----------------------------------+----------------------------+
> | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
> | and Zane's Computer Museum. |
> | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |
What auction?
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-Jason
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> From: Joshu2415(a)aol.com
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: old laptop
> Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 9:00 PM
>
> The auction is called off.
Whilst in a self-induced trance, Lawrence Walker happened to blather:
>> On 08-Aug-97, Lawrence Walker wrote:
>>
>> >> be listed instead or separately? (For that matter, the XE Game System,
>> >> which is on the list, only becomes a "computer" when the
^^^^^^^^^^
[[ part I missed before I re-read the msg. ]]
>> >> separately-marketed keyboard is added to it; otherwise, it is strictly a
>> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >> cartridge game machine too.)
>>
>> > Not so . I have one in the original packaging . As well as a
>> >keyboard, it also included a joystck and a "light-gun". It also had a
>> >manual for Atari Basic AND 2 game cartridges.WOW, what a deal. : ^ )
>>
>> Larry,
>>
>> I believe that initially, the XEGS keyboard was optional though. The
>> wording in the keyboard's manaul, at least the one I have, seems to support
>> this. The argument of whether the XEGS is a game console or a computer
is one
>> that has been going on in the newsgroups for quite some time off and on.
> The one I have had basic built into it's 32k ROM and was
>functionally an XE . If the XL and XE qualify then so does
>the XEGS IMHO.
After reading the message three times (as I'd misread it twice), I agree
with Larry. Let's remember what the true defination of a computer is: "A
machine that can perform arithmatic and logical calculations without the
aid of a human." My Casio watch -- by defination -- is a computer. (of
course, it's not classic _yet_, tho. ;-)
The inclusion of a keyboard does not matter to the defination of a
computer, else there are many folks with IMSAIs and Altairs with front
panel switchboards, which IMHO is not a "keyboard" per se, yet they are
computers. The XEGS (or 2600, 5200, 7800 as well) are computers as well.
Remember, you _could_ do Basic programming on a 2600!
Just MHO,
"Merch"
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Whilst in a self-induced trance, Glenn Roberts happened to blather:
>FYI, according to
>
> http://www.555-1212.com/aclookup.html
>
>The geographical location for area code 248 is Michigan (major cities:
>Novi, Waterford, Troy).
Gwarsh, is my face red! They must have just instituted it, and that area is
getting bigger than I thought! (BTW, my dad was raised in Royal Oak, and my
grandparents lived in Troy for many years...) They only put the (810) area
code in there around 4-5 years ago, IIRC!
Well, if a whole buncha folks smarter than me say it's so, then it's so!
BTW, the "better half" of Michigan is known as the Upper Peninsula (We're
not even connected to the Lower Peninsula except via the Mackinac Bridge),
otherwise known as "God's Country." If you like history, you'd love the
area! Mail me private and I'll tell you all about it!
"Merch"
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Whilst in a self-induced trance, Sam Ismail happened to blather:
[snip]
>This guy is Rob Campbell. He is in Detroit, Michigan. His number is
>(248) 583-9000. Call him, talk to him. Sounds like a reasonable guy.
Uh, Sam?
Are you sure this guy's in Detroit? The Area Code for phone numbers in
Detroit are either (810) or (313).
I've never heard of (248), especially in Michigan.
(BTW, I live in the "Better" half of Michigan, in the (906) area code!)
HTH,
"Merch"
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Hi, folks,
Well, Bill Whitson has said he was going to collect these, but I've not
heard anything back from him since we missed each other last Sunday.
With that in mind, and pending any objection from him, I am offering the
following freebies to anyone who wants to pick them up from Kent, WA
(southeast of Seattle).
9-track tape drive, GCR-capable, Pertec interface. Made by StorageTek. NOT
OPERATIONAL -- needs work.
NCR 'I-Tower' computer system, with some manuals and peripherals. Processor
is a Motorola 68020 (I think). Condition unknown; fired up OK, but I had no
console attached. Case has built-in UPS (batteries may need replacement).
Various other odds and ends, including at least one 'tech special' UPS (not
on strike) and anything else I feel like unloading on whatever vict... uhh,
'collector' shows up.
;-)
Get back to me via E-mail if interested. Weekends work best. Thanks!
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Message text written by INTERNET:classiccmp@u.washington.edu
>OK, here is the complete listing from the CCC of the machines made by
Atari. <
"Machines" really isn't the operative word; for instance, the list does not
include the Atari Pong, 5200 and 7800 game consoles. I assume what you are
trying to put together is a list of Atari "computers". That in turn takes
some philosophical interpretation as to what constitutes a "computer". The
2600 game console is on the list; I assume it's there because Atari made a
BASIC cartridge and a so-called "keyboard" controller for the unit, so it
was technically possible to do some quasi-BASIC programming on it, not
unlike a real computer. Of course, it only had something like 50 bytes of
RAM available (not 50K bytes; just 50 bytes). The number of keys on the
cheesy "keyboard" controllers were so few that each key had to do triple
duty depending on what "color mode" it was in at the time. (If that didn't
turn people off on BASIC programming, I don't know what would.) t had no
way to attach a printer, and it could not save to or load from tape (or any
other storage medium), so any programs developed could not be preserved.
So, is that a "computer" or not?
Then, Atari produced at least some "real" add-on keyboard units for the
2600. I believe they were originally called "The Graduate", but made it to
market in 1982 as "My First Computer". They had 8K, expandable to 32K, and
apparently saved/loaded from standard cassette units. So does the 2600
become a "real" computer at that point, and/or should "My First Computer"
be listed instead or separately? (For that matter, the XE Game System,
which is on the list, only becomes a "computer" when the
separately-marketed keyboard is added to it; otherwise, it is strictly a
cartridge game machine too.)
Gil Parrish
107765.1161(a)compuserve.com
