At 07:59 PM 6/21/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Is "culture" banned from this site then? (We are getting there in the
>end....it's a CULTURE clash, is it?)
Yes! No more culture! Only trashy romance novels, Beverly Hills
90210/Melrose Place, and the Bee-Gees should be discussed here! And that's
Culture *Club*! (Seequa, seequa, seequa, seequa, seequa, seequa
chameleooooon...)
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Well after getting my Educator 64 working (yipee!) and realizing I have
alot of the Commodores I kinda wanted to collect from years back I
decided to write out a quick list (a>this is from memory so there
probably is stuff missing and b>it in no way shows how many repeats of
items I have (like 3 VIC-20s, umpteen datasettes, etc.) c>I have NO
interested in selling any of it.) Hope you find it interesting. (=))
Larry's Commodore Collection:
Calculators:
Minuteman 6
Minuteman 6x
Custom Greenline
Rechargable (greenline?)
Model 784D
PET Series
Original PET with original ROMs and 32k ExpandaPET board
PET 2001 Series w/Upgrade ROMs 32k
PET 2001 Series w/4.0 ROMS & MTU VM Graphics Board
CBM 2001 Series 32k
PET 4000 Series w/32k
CBM 8032
SuperPET Model SP9000
PET/IEEE-488 Peripherals/Firmware
RAM/ROM EPROM emulator
Centronics Printer Interface
4040 Dual Disk Drive
2031LP Single Disk Drive
8023 Wide Carriage Dot-Matrix Printer
Original 'modified' Sanyo cassete deck
C2N Datasette in black case
C2N Datasette in cream case w/counter
Toolkit ROMs (upgrade and 4.0 versions)
VIC-20 Series
VIC-20 (DIN power Supply)
VIC-20 Peripherals/Firmware
Commodore Joystick
Commodore Paddle Controllers
Commodore C2N/1530 low-profile datasettes
Commodore VIC-1541 Single Disk Drive
Cardco Cartridge expansion unit
Koala Pad
MSD 24k RAM cartridge
Commodore 8k RAM cartridge
Commodore 3k+SuperExpander Cartridge
HES HESMON utility cartridge
Omega Race
Tooth Invaders
Defender
Choplifter
Radar Ratrace
Donkey Kong
Cosmic Cruncher
C64/B-128 Series
Commodore 64 (8-Pin Video)
Commodore 64 w/stereo SID modification
Commodore SX-64 portable
Commodore P-500
Educator 64 (Commodore 64 in PET/CBM 4000/8000 style case)
64/B-128 Series Peripherals/Firmware
Commodore 1702 Color Monitor
Commodore 1541 Disk Drive
Star Micronis NX1000C Dot Matrix Printer
Citizen iDP560CD 2 3/4" wide Dot Matrix Printer
Kinney Video Digitizer
Alien Group Alien Voicebox Voice Synthesiser
Currah Technologies Voicemaster 64
Wico Trackball controller
Total Telecommunications 300 Baud Modem
Inkwell Tech. Lightpen
Lemans
Jumpman Jr.
SuperGraphics Jr.
HESMon 64
Gridrunner
Astroblitz
Commodore 264 series:
Commodore 16
Commodore Plus/4
Commodore Plus/4 w/standard 64 PS connector
264 Peripherals/Firmware
Atari style joystick adapter
Datasette plug adapter
+4/16 joystick
Jack Attack
Plus Calc
Plus Script
Commodore 128/128D series
Commodore 64C
Commodore 128
Commodore 128D (missing keyboard)
Commodore 128 Series Peripherals
Commodore 1670 1200 Baud Modem
Commodore Modem 300 - 300 Baud Modem
Commodore 1902 Color Monitor
Commodore 1541C Disk Drive
Commodore 1541-II Disk Drive
Commodore 1571 Disk Drive
Commodore 1581 3.5" Micro Floppy Disk Drive
Commodore 1764 RAM Expansion Unit
Commodore 1351 Mouse
CMD RAMLink Ram Expansion Unit
CMD HD series Hard Drive Unit
Aprotek 2400 Baud Modem
SuperSnapshot 5 Utility Cartridge
Lotsa Joysticks... ;)
Still Looking for:
8050 Dual Disk Drive
8250 Dual Disk Drive
SFD-1001 Single Floppy Drive
8010 Modem (acoustic coupler)
4010 Voice Response Unit (speech synthesiser)
CBM 9060/9090 Hard Disk Unit
B-128/B-256 Series Computer
Computereyes for Commodore 64
Commodore comaptible EPROM programmer
Commodore 65
Commodore LCD (I wish!)
Serial<->IEEE-488 interfaces
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Last week - while I was on holiday on the Noprfolk Broads - someone (I
forget who) asked if there had ever been a microcomputer that used
EBCDIC.
I have an IBM System/23 (aka Datamaster) at home. It has system board,
mono monitor, twin 8-inch floppies and PC-style keyboard in one box, and
a printer hung off the back. It has an 8085 processor, 64k RAM and 112K
ROM. The expansion slots are suspiciously IBM PC like...
This box programs in BASIC (the 112k of ROM contains almost a complete
mainframe basic with matrix ops, etc.) and uses EBCDIC as its character
set. It has interesting features such as a file system with 8.8
character filenames (as opposed to the CPM and later 8.3 that everyone
seems to use nowadays :-( ). If the printer is switched off or
disconnected, it fails power on diagnostics!
As I recall, I was given it by a friend at college in ?1988. He
informed me that his stepfather paid L11000 (i.e. UK pounds) for it in
?1980.
I once tried to get the BASIC manual out of IBM technical publications.
It was out of print, so they persuaded me to shell out L30 (about $40 or
$50?) for the mainframe BASIC manual. Not a good buy!!!
Anyone else out there have one of these? Know any more about it?
Philip.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Philip Belben <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Das Feuer brennt, das Feuer nennt die Luft sein Schwesterelement -
und frisst sie doch (samt dem Ozon)! Das ist die Liebe, lieber Sohn.
Poem by Christian Morgenstern - Message by Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk
Subject: Re: Classsic Computing Newsgroup revisited
Message-ID: <199706222028.4491(a)tw500.eng.cam.ac.uk>
>> I'm against new newsgroups being created, especially when the topics
>> are quite technical and already well-handled by existing newsgroups.
>> For example, people wanting Apple II help can go to comp.sys.apple2,
>> users of various CP/M systems hang around comp.os.cpm, PDP-11
>> users have vmsnet.pdp-11, etc.
>Agreed. Off-hand I can't think of a single classic computer which is not
>covered by at least one existing newsgroup. If you don't know which group
>to post to, you'll find that most of them are quite friendly to
>just-off-topic questions. If you find an obscure Z80 machine that didn't
>ever run CP/M, I'm quite sure that a post to comp.os.cpm would get either
>some help or a pointer to the appropriate newsgroup. I'd be _very_
>supprised if it got a flame.
Let's get this straight:
A) alt.technology.obsolete does not need to be created, it has been on
the net
for at least as long as I have (6+ months)
B) The newsgroup is currently dead (except for the occasional spamming
post.)
C) having specific newsgroups is ok, but what if you want the open
discussion
of computers like we have here? I kinda get irked seeing Spectrum
posts in comp.sys.cbm. But wouldn't mind on a mixed group, because I
am
in that mode when I am reading it. (sound logical?)
So, again, the newsgroup (alt.technology.obsolete) exists now and has
been in existence for quite a while and I suggest we put this good
opportunity (and name) to use.
Larry Anderson
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>From: "e.tedeschi" <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk>
>Subject: bibliography
>What do you think of this bibliography? Have I missed any important book
>on the subject? Please help me in making this a useful refence for
>everybody to use, if you care. Thank you
There was also one by COMPUTE! Books, the (Small?) Computer Wars I
think the author's name is Michael Tomzyk. I have yet to find it (or
many that you mentioned) Though I found Steven Levy's Hackers very
entertaining!
One interesting book my wife came across in a thrift store is: "The
Compleat Computer" a compilation edited by Dennie Van Tassel. It was
printed in 1976 and has alot of press clippings, cartoons, articles and
anecdotes of the then blossoming microcomputer age. One nice bit is the
transcript of the session between Eliza (the psychiatrist program) and
Parry (the paranoid program).
Larry Anderson
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Does any one here collect old microprocessors like 4004, 4040, 8008,
8080 etc?
The oldest CPU type I have is an NEC 8080A. Still trying to figure out
how to make use of it. The legs are pretty corroded (used to live in
humid climates).
I've a Z8001 too, paid more than $100 for it but never used. Maybe
I'll find an Olivetti M20 one of these days...
There's a UK company that used to advertise in the UK version of the
Elektor 4-5 years ago. They advertised the TI9900, NS32032 and other
odd CPUs.
Ben
> -spc (Although with proper programming, the CGA could support 160x100
> 16 colors (or was it 160x200?))
160x100. You program the 6845 to display two scanlines per character then
use the half-on/half-off blocks to control the pixels.
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
> The reason I liked the 7000 so much was the display. It used a - I want
> to say NEC 7202 display chip - might be wrong tho. It allowed vector
> graphics and text to share the same screen. You could tell it how much
> text and then anything above that was graphics. It took basically plotting
> commands to do the graphics. Never did understand why that didn't catch
> on!
That would be the NEC 7220. It was also used in the DEC Rainbow graphics
option; I've not seen a DECmate II graphices option, but I suspect it was
used there as well.
A friend of mine built a video card for an Apple ][ using the 7220. We could
do 1024 x 780, IIRC. He was experimenting with it and a touch screen device
(a flat glas plate to go over the monitor with transducers along two edges;
it put a high-frequency vibration on the glass then listened for echoes) as
a programmable user interface. We were using Microsoft F80 on the Softcard
connected to 8" DSDD diskettes. When does it start being an Apple ][ and start
being a CP/M machine?
Oh yeah; we used a plotting library from a company called Tesseract. Anyone
else used it?
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
> >What is a Heath H8 worth?
I generally see H89's go for $25 US at hamfests. *I* wouldn't tie up $100
unless it was lovely and I really wanted one.
Of course...it's worth what you want to pay for it, as Jim says
I'd like to suggest that we all keep in mind the following tenets to
help reduce the amount of superfluous traffic on this discussion list:
- If your reply is to one individual, please send directly to them
(you'll have to override your email program's default Reply address).
- Please direct responses to solicitations such as group purchases, etc.
directly to the solicitor only.
thanks!
Kai
