test-drb June 1997

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by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 07:59 PM 6/21/97 +0000, you wrote: >Is "culture" banned from this site then? (We are getting there in the >end....it's a CULTURE clash, is it?) Yes! No more culture! Only trashy romance novels, Beverly Hills 90210/Melrose Place, and the Bee-Gees should be discussed here! And that's Culture *Club*! (Seequa, seequa, seequa, seequa, seequa, seequa chameleooooon...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 2 months

Larry's List

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Well after getting my Educator 64 working (yipee!) and realizing I have alot of the Commodores I kinda wanted to collect from years back I decided to write out a quick list (a>this is from memory so there probably is stuff missing and b>it in no way shows how many repeats of items I have (like 3 VIC-20s, umpteen datasettes, etc.) c>I have NO interested in selling any of it.) Hope you find it interesting. (=)) Larry's Commodore Collection: Calculators: Minuteman 6 Minuteman 6x Custom Greenline Rechargable (greenline?) Model 784D PET Series Original PET with original ROMs and 32k ExpandaPET board PET 2001 Series w/Upgrade ROMs 32k PET 2001 Series w/4.0 ROMS & MTU VM Graphics Board CBM 2001 Series 32k PET 4000 Series w/32k CBM 8032 SuperPET Model SP9000 PET/IEEE-488 Peripherals/Firmware RAM/ROM EPROM emulator Centronics Printer Interface 4040 Dual Disk Drive 2031LP Single Disk Drive 8023 Wide Carriage Dot-Matrix Printer Original 'modified' Sanyo cassete deck C2N Datasette in black case C2N Datasette in cream case w/counter Toolkit ROMs (upgrade and 4.0 versions) VIC-20 Series VIC-20 (DIN power Supply) VIC-20 Peripherals/Firmware Commodore Joystick Commodore Paddle Controllers Commodore C2N/1530 low-profile datasettes Commodore VIC-1541 Single Disk Drive Cardco Cartridge expansion unit Koala Pad MSD 24k RAM cartridge Commodore 8k RAM cartridge Commodore 3k+SuperExpander Cartridge HES HESMON utility cartridge Omega Race Tooth Invaders Defender Choplifter Radar Ratrace Donkey Kong Cosmic Cruncher C64/B-128 Series Commodore 64 (8-Pin Video) Commodore 64 w/stereo SID modification Commodore SX-64 portable Commodore P-500 Educator 64 (Commodore 64 in PET/CBM 4000/8000 style case) 64/B-128 Series Peripherals/Firmware Commodore 1702 Color Monitor Commodore 1541 Disk Drive Star Micronis NX1000C Dot Matrix Printer Citizen iDP560CD 2 3/4" wide Dot Matrix Printer Kinney Video Digitizer Alien Group Alien Voicebox Voice Synthesiser Currah Technologies Voicemaster 64 Wico Trackball controller Total Telecommunications 300 Baud Modem Inkwell Tech. Lightpen Lemans Jumpman Jr. SuperGraphics Jr. HESMon 64 Gridrunner Astroblitz Commodore 264 series: Commodore 16 Commodore Plus/4 Commodore Plus/4 w/standard 64 PS connector 264 Peripherals/Firmware Atari style joystick adapter Datasette plug adapter +4/16 joystick Jack Attack Plus Calc Plus Script Commodore 128/128D series Commodore 64C Commodore 128 Commodore 128D (missing keyboard) Commodore 128 Series Peripherals Commodore 1670 1200 Baud Modem Commodore Modem 300 - 300 Baud Modem Commodore 1902 Color Monitor Commodore 1541C Disk Drive Commodore 1541-II Disk Drive Commodore 1571 Disk Drive Commodore 1581 3.5" Micro Floppy Disk Drive Commodore 1764 RAM Expansion Unit Commodore 1351 Mouse CMD RAMLink Ram Expansion Unit CMD HD series Hard Drive Unit Aprotek 2400 Baud Modem SuperSnapshot 5 Utility Cartridge Lotsa Joysticks... ;) Still Looking for: 8050 Dual Disk Drive 8250 Dual Disk Drive SFD-1001 Single Floppy Drive 8010 Modem (acoustic coupler) 4010 Voice Response Unit (speech synthesiser) CBM 9060/9090 Hard Disk Unit B-128/B-256 Series Computer Computereyes for Commodore 64 Commodore comaptible EPROM programmer Commodore 65 Commodore LCD (I wish!) Serial<->IEEE-488 interfaces -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

28 years, 2 months

EBCDIC

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Last week - while I was on holiday on the Noprfolk Broads - someone (I forget who) asked if there had ever been a microcomputer that used EBCDIC. I have an IBM System/23 (aka Datamaster) at home. It has system board, mono monitor, twin 8-inch floppies and PC-style keyboard in one box, and a printer hung off the back. It has an 8085 processor, 64k RAM and 112K ROM. The expansion slots are suspiciously IBM PC like... This box programs in BASIC (the 112k of ROM contains almost a complete mainframe basic with matrix ops, etc.) and uses EBCDIC as its character set. It has interesting features such as a file system with 8.8 character filenames (as opposed to the CPM and later 8.3 that everyone seems to use nowadays :-( ). If the printer is switched off or disconnected, it fails power on diagnostics! As I recall, I was given it by a friend at college in ?1988. He informed me that his stepfather paid L11000 (i.e. UK pounds) for it in ?1980. I once tried to get the BASIC manual out of IBM technical publications. It was out of print, so they persuaded me to shell out L30 (about $40 or $50?) for the mainframe BASIC manual. Not a good buy!!! Anyone else out there have one of these? Know any more about it? Philip. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Philip Belben <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Das Feuer brennt, das Feuer nennt die Luft sein Schwesterelement - und frisst sie doch (samt dem Ozon)! Das ist die Liebe, lieber Sohn. Poem by Christian Morgenstern - Message by Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk

28 years, 2 months

CLASSICCMP digest 92

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Subject: Re: Classsic Computing Newsgroup revisited Message-ID: <199706222028.4491(a)tw500.eng.cam.ac.uk> >> I'm against new newsgroups being created, especially when the topics >> are quite technical and already well-handled by existing newsgroups. >> For example, people wanting Apple II help can go to comp.sys.apple2, >> users of various CP/M systems hang around comp.os.cpm, PDP-11 >> users have vmsnet.pdp-11, etc. >Agreed. Off-hand I can't think of a single classic computer which is not >covered by at least one existing newsgroup. If you don't know which group >to post to, you'll find that most of them are quite friendly to >just-off-topic questions. If you find an obscure Z80 machine that didn't >ever run CP/M, I'm quite sure that a post to comp.os.cpm would get either >some help or a pointer to the appropriate newsgroup. I'd be _very_ >supprised if it got a flame. Let's get this straight: A) alt.technology.obsolete does not need to be created, it has been on the net for at least as long as I have (6+ months) B) The newsgroup is currently dead (except for the occasional spamming post.) C) having specific newsgroups is ok, but what if you want the open discussion of computers like we have here? I kinda get irked seeing Spectrum posts in comp.sys.cbm. But wouldn't mind on a mixed group, because I am in that mode when I am reading it. (sound logical?) So, again, the newsgroup (alt.technology.obsolete) exists now and has been in existence for quite a while and I suggest we put this good opportunity (and name) to use. Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

28 years, 2 months

Computer Ind. Books

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

>From: "e.tedeschi" <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk> >Subject: bibliography >What do you think of this bibliography? Have I missed any important book >on the subject? Please help me in making this a useful refence for >everybody to use, if you care. Thank you There was also one by COMPUTE! Books, the (Small?) Computer Wars I think the author's name is Michael Tomzyk. I have yet to find it (or many that you mentioned) Though I found Steven Levy's Hackers very entertaining! One interesting book my wife came across in a thrift store is: "The Compleat Computer" a compilation edited by Dennie Van Tassel. It was printed in 1976 and has alot of press clippings, cartoons, articles and anecdotes of the then blossoming microcomputer age. One nice bit is the transcript of the session between Eliza (the psychiatrist program) and Parry (the paranoid program). Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

28 years, 2 months

Collecting old microprocessors (as opposed to Computers)

by bluesky6＠ix.netcom.com

Does any one here collect old microprocessors like 4004, 4040, 8008, 8080 etc? The oldest CPU type I have is an NEC 8080A. Still trying to figure out how to make use of it. The legs are pretty corroded (used to live in humid climates). I've a Z8001 too, paid more than $100 for it but never used. Maybe I'll find an Olivetti M20 one of these days... There's a UK company that used to advertise in the UK version of the Elektor 4-5 years ago. They advertised the TI9900, NS32032 and other odd CPUs. Ben

28 years, 2 months

IBM PCjr

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> -spc (Although with proper programming, the CGA could support 160x100 > 16 colors (or was it 160x200?)) 160x100. You program the 6845 to display two scanlines per character then use the half-on/half-off blocks to control the pixels. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

28 years, 2 months

Collecting old microprocessors (as opposed to Computers)

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> The reason I liked the 7000 so much was the display. It used a - I want > to say NEC 7202 display chip - might be wrong tho. It allowed vector > graphics and text to share the same screen. You could tell it how much > text and then anything above that was graphics. It took basically plotting > commands to do the graphics. Never did understand why that didn't catch > on! That would be the NEC 7220. It was also used in the DEC Rainbow graphics option; I've not seen a DECmate II graphices option, but I suspect it was used there as well. A friend of mine built a video card for an Apple ][ using the 7220. We could do 1024 x 780, IIRC. He was experimenting with it and a touch screen device (a flat glas plate to go over the monitor with transducers along two edges; it put a high-frequency vibration on the glass then listened for echoes) as a programmable user interface. We were using Microsoft F80 on the Softcard connected to 8" DSDD diskettes. When does it start being an Apple ][ and start being a CP/M machine? Oh yeah; we used a plotting library from a company called Tesseract. Anyone else used it? Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

28 years, 2 months

H8 Computer

by manney＠nwohio.com

> >What is a Heath H8 worth? I generally see H89's go for $25 US at hamfests. *I* wouldn't tie up $100 unless it was lovely and I really wanted one. Of course...it's worth what you want to pay for it, as Jim says

28 years, 2 months

PLEASE READ - suggestions to reduce list traffic

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

I'd like to suggest that we all keep in mind the following tenets to help reduce the amount of superfluous traffic on this discussion list: - If your reply is to one individual, please send directly to them (you'll have to override your email program's default Reply address). - Please direct responses to solicitations such as group purchases, etc. directly to the solicitor only. thanks! Kai

28 years, 2 months

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