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To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Atari 800xe ?
>> Common European Computer (esp. Germany):
>> Atari 800XE (common in eastern europe)
> Really? There was the 800, 800lx, and the 130xe. I think I heard of a
> 600ex game system, but I never heard of an 800ex. What are its specs?
I have a 800XE new in the box for ex. east germany. It looks like a 130XE but
has only 64kB. If you are interested in further details I can check the instuction booklet.
Anyone interested in 800XEs? I can try to get hold of some ...
>> Laser 50, Laser 2000, Sinlair QL,
> ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
> Now THESE machines interest me. Why? Because I am the proud owner of a
> Laser 3000 from Video Technologies Ltd. Are the 50 and the 2000 from
> the same company? The only other machines from them that I've heard of
> are the VZ200 and the Laser 128 (I think they were?).
are you sure the VZ200 is from Video Technologies? I have one new in box with 16kB RAM but there is
no reference to Video Technologies on the case.
I have four LASER 500 with LASER Tapes. Anyone heard of these?
> There are a lot of very common (in Europe) European machines I'd like to
> get my hands on, perhaps someone should set up an intercontinental
> computer trade route. :)
VERY GOOD IDEA - I got some of my computers from the US ...
If anyone is interested in trading (Computer and Video-Games):
I also have a small flea-market for old computer at
Furthermore it could be interesting to make a list of common european
computers that are possibly rare in the US. Here a first try - please
make comments on the rarity of these computers in the US:
Common European Computer (esp. Germany):
Atari 800XE (common in eastern europe)
Commodore VC-20 (has not VIC-20 as label)
Philips VG 8010, VG8020, NMS8280 (all MSX)
Philips G7000 (Video games)
Schneider CPC 464, CPC 664, CPC6128, Joyce PCW 8256
Sharp MZ-700, MZ-800
Sony HitBit HB-75D (MSX)
Triumph Adler Alphatronic TA
Robotron KC85/3 (from ex. east germany - Z-80 clone)
Common European Computer (esp. France):
Matra Alice, Alice 90
Thomson TO7, TO7-70
Thomson MO5, TO8, TO8D
Common European Computer (esp. Netherlands):
MSX Computer. esp. Philips
> Common European Computer (esp. Germany):
> Atari 800XE (common in eastern europe)
Really? There was the 800, 800lx, and the 130xe. I think I heard of a
600ex game system, but I never heard of an 800ex. What are its specs?
On 20-Mar-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote:
>There were many "Speech Synthesizer" modules released. Most of them had to
>do with entertainment packages, but there also many for education as well.
> Education packages included the Scott, Foresman series were the computer
>would say the numbers and letters to children, and for entertainment, there
>was Alpiner, Parsec, M*A*S*H, Star Trek, Microsurgeon, and many, many others.
Actually, I was referring to the modules that were to plug into the Speech
Synthesizer itself, beneath the flip-top. Numerous references mention them,
and though on my Synthesizer, there isn't a connector in it for the module, I
was wondering if maybe some early examples were shipped with one. Even the
Speech Synthesizer manual mentions the cartridges.
>There are more than 373 words to choose from. In fact, with the Terminal
>Emulator II cartridge, you have unlimited "text-to-speech" capability.
> Literally anything you type in can be spoken. Sometimes you would have to
>make the the pronunciation spellings different in order for this to work, but
>mostly, it was fine. Extended BASIC was the only cartridge that limited
>"text-to-speech", but even then TI later released a "text-to-speech" diskette
>which would allow the user to type in anything (much like the Terminal
>Emulator II, and Speech Editor).
I got the 373 word limit from the Synthesizer manual, though I've not
counted up the words in the list it shows. I plan on playing with TE-II once
I recieive the RS232 board for my PEBox. It'd be interesting having it speak
the ascii data as it came across!
>I just picked up a Speech Editor cartridge for $20 from someone who was
>selling it along with other old TI stuff. Expect to pay this, or more for it
>- as it is rare. I just got it, and I can't even use it because I don't have
That's fine with me...BTW, here's another question regarding the GROM
cartridges. When did Atari begin making the arcade game cartridges for the
TI-99/4A? Most people admit that TI didn't allow much 3rd party software to
be produced initially, yet here is one of their competitors writing programs
for it. I have the Donkey Kong and Pac Man cartridges, and they are both
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Collector of classic home computers:
Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore
C-128, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel
Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-
Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4.
Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.
In a message dated 97-03-16 18:18:32 EST, Bryan Nicalek writes:
> The TI-99/2 was never actually produced. Only pre-production units were
> made. This was after the TI-99/4A, back in 1983. A whole line of
> peripherals were planned to be offered, including the new HEX-BUS
> The 99/2 was black and white only, 40 columns, and limited but a very
> portable computer. Only rare photos have ever been seen.
The 99/2 did make it out the door - I bought one in a MSP Target. The hex
bus peripherals also were produced, and worked with the CC40 (handheld from
"Old computers never die, they just fade away bit by bit!"
> My nephew owns an Atari 800XL computer, and I was wondering if anyone
> knows of any source for basic programs he could type in and learn from.
> I think the basic programs should be short and easy for a 7th grader to
> learn from. Thanks for any help. I will be writing up a mastermind program
> for him and maybe a tic-tac-toe game for him. Anyone have ideas for other
> games that can be written in BASIC and are easy to understand and short?
> Thanks in advance.
Used book stores. They often have old computer books lying around which
they'll sell to you for a couple dollars, and it shouldn't be too hard to
find books of basic games. Heck, I have a book of 33 games designed for
PET, Apple ][, or TRS-80 BASIC that I could send to you, if you want.
They're pretty, uh, basic, but taking them apart isn't a bad way to learn
I really should sleep more,
Ben Coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu
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In a message dated 97-03-20 13:55:54 EST jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com (James Willing)
> I guess my base fear here is that if we actually managed to get the
> media's attention, a few major stories like this might drive the equipment
> costs to high (note I said COSTS, not VALUE) that only deep pocketed
> people with no real interest in the equipment other than its percieved
> 'value' would be able to afford to obtain it!
Well said. Publicity is not always a good thing.
imw(a)agora.rdrop.com (James Willing) also wrote:
Me, I'm doing new board layouts and am planning to reconstruct a 'Mark-8'
or two... Anyone else interested in a board set?
I might be, post some details.
Captain Napalm sez:
>It was thus said that the Great Christopher Heer once stated:
>> Wow. 72 pin? Are you certain? In any case, ISTR older Zeniths taking proprietary
> Yup. Without any SIMMS, the system just sits there producing vast amounts
>of nothing quite fast. With memory installed, I get the bad CMOS error,
>then vast amounts of nothing quite fast.
Well that's pretty ironclad. I doubt you're having a memory problem.
>> > Then the screen goes blank and the system just sits there, fans spinning.
>> How long? I mean, how long have you let it wait? If it's mis-configured on the
>> hard disk, it could take simply ages to time out.
> Oh, two minutes maybe. Nothing very long.
Let it go longer. Sweartagod I've seen PC's take 15 minutes to error out. Also, if
there's a hard disk controller installed, yank it. It may make it time out faster.
And as someone else mentioned, Zenith was fond of using Ctrl-Alt-Ins as the keystroke
combination to get into setup. Give that a go.
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