Very simply, I have a two year old wintel desktop, which does indeed have ISA
slots, and runs Win95. I tried to install an ARCNet card, and I couldn't
correctly configure all of the stuff (IRQ, RAM, DMA, etc.), though I had the
dip switch information. What I have is a half-length CMD card. Since I
couldn't configure it, I gave up. But, if anyone has any hints....
In a message dated 97-12-08 23:35:01 EST, you write:
<< Captain Napalm wrote:
>
> It was thus said that the Great Zeus334 once stated:
> >
> > I don't have access to network cards (except maybe ARCNet, which I
couldn't
> > run on my P*****), and I was wondering if there is a way to have a
transparent
> > null modem-based network. IE, could I connect two computers with a null
modem,
> > and then change to the other computer's drive by typing x: (or mount
> > /dev/hdxxx, or whatever).
> >
> Why can't you run ARCNet cards? Linux has drivers for them (although
that
> is assuming the ARCNet card is for a ISA bus).
>
> It is possible to use a serial connection by running PPP as a transport,
> which supports IP (and thus you can use NFS to mount drives).
>
> -spc (I suppose since ARCNet is over 10 years, and TCP/IP is over 10
> years this counts 8-)
The first coax network I ever installed was Tandy ARCnet, Model IIs as
server and workstations. Unfortunately, those never had any way to hook
up to network operating systems that the PC stuff dealt with, and there
were never drivers for those boards for Tandy Xenix, though a shitload of
R&D money got spent in Fort Worth trying to make it so.
Since most non-laptop "P******" machines still have ISA slots, there's
no reason an ARCnet card wouldn't work. It's faster than serial PPP and
more machines can connect conveniently.
--
Ward Griffiths >>
At 09:26 PM 12/8/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Or... dare I say it... linux on a TRS-80 Model 100/102/200??? :)
Rick <something-or-other-my-mind-is-gone> of Club 100 mentioned once that
there is a company that uses m100's with a version of Unix running on them.
Unfortunately (and yes, I asked) he said they won't release it to the
public. But, at least that means it's doable!
P.S., the m100 is 8085-based, so 6502-linux wouldn't help much.
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Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
>elisa? that program that asks you the same open ended question? i may have
a
>similar program if there really is an interest.
Yep, that one. It is a BIG interest. It's probably classic content as the
older versions go back to Turing's Law. I've found a Java applet that
simulates the Turing machine.
Thanks,
Tim D. Hotze
At 02:31 PM 12/8/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Looking ahead in my e-mail queue I see there is a flurry of responses to
>this question, and I can guess what everyone else' response is as well.
>
>But I have two syllables for you: Linux.
With only 640k? I think I've settled on the xt/286 version of minix. I don't
want a big investment, and I'm no hard core linux user myself. I know my way
around, but I like experimenting with new things on these old things
(computers, that is.)
- John Higginbotham
- limbo.netpath.net
Greetings.
Seems like everybody reports in when they get a big haul. Well, I don't
have the money or the room for my own personal big haul, so I'll report on
what is available for sale here at the University of Michigan Property
Disposal. All sales are final. You have the opportunity to test machines
in the warehouse, but they don't have 220v available.
This list probably isn't complete, and it's sometimes hard to find
information (manuals, model numbers, telling the difference between a HP
scientific instrument and a HP minicomputer, etc.). So here goes:
Apollo
Domain Series 10000 (@ of these at $250 each)
CPT 8510 (Terminal with 8" floppy, no other information)
Digital
MicroVAX 3900 w/RA82 \
TU81 Plus and RA82 >- Apparently all from one pull
Constant Voltage Conditioner /
Disembodied RA81
VAXstation II/GPX (2 of these)
PDP-11 FORTRAN manual
Some VAXstation 3100 stuff
GE
I have no idea. It's about 3-3 1/2 feet tall, 1 1/2 feet wide.
Has two 8" drives on the front. Priced at $150.
HP
7914 (looked like a computer... maybe...)
IBM
Model 5551 (Says "Hard Disk Model" on the front. Also has a floppy
disk slot.)
Prime Computer Inc.
Model # 2250P ($100)
SGI
Power Series Iris 4D/210GTX ($1500 w/monitor)
Power Series Iris 4D/GTX ($1500: no monitor)
IRIS 3130
Stardent ($100. No other information)
Sun
3/50 (1 regular and 1 with a scooped out case top for a matching
monitor)
-Neil
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What is the current value of this stuff? I'd like to sell it, but have no
clue of a normal price...
1 x DIGITAL Microvax 3100 (without harddisk)
1 x DIGITAL Dec Server 200/MC (with kables)
4 x DIGITAL keyboard and terminal screen (VT 320)
2 x LINK 125 terminal screen and keyboard
1 x NEC Pinwriter P7
2 x DIGITAL LA75 Companion Printer
2 x MOTOROLA Codex 6015 modem for leased lines (speed: 9600)
These appliances are in excellent state. 20kg of books, manuals, etc.
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The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272)
kyrrin2 {at} wiz<ards> d[o]t n=e=t
"...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe
an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly
define any of them!..."
I know this may be a little off topic, but... (How many times have we read
this?!?)
I am suprised at the number of wisened elders in my presence, People that
actually used the machines I dreamed about using in my teenaged years. I was
glad to find out all of these old systems that I wanted so bad back then
actually sport price tags today that I can afford. I have recently sold off
the large majority of my collection of late 80's computers (my wife calls it
the pile, collectively), but have learned that the real joy in using these
systems is the memories it gives me, something about each individual system
that stands out to me. I also find that using computers from another era
tends to bring me back down to earth. Most people today think these machines
are a bunch of hulking dinosnores that can't be useful except as boat
anchors in todays PC world. I know otherwise. Up until recently I had been
using a Model 100 for taking notes and doing addresses, etc. Just as good at
text entry as any P****** system is today. My boss still scoffs at me for
toting around my venerable GRiDCASE 3 (running windows 1.x) that has seen
regular use since I got it, or running Windows 3 on the old Zenith
Supersport, the topic of a quite active thread for the past day or so in
this very list. Hey, I'm not rich. If I was, I'd buy the fastest
notebook/desktop system around. But alas, I am not. The boss stops scoffing
when I tell him how much I paid for my computers and show him what they can
still run. :)
Well, that's it for the monologue. I'm sitting here listening to an
instrumental christmas cd, waiting for IE 4.01 to download, and
contemplating what will be considered old news 10 years from now.
BTW, I didn't mean anything with the "wisened elder" comment. I consider
myself an oldtimer at the young age of 27, with all these little high school
know-it-alls that memorize man pages and can recite every IP address and who
it belongs to on their ISP. I can remember the days before GUI. I was there.
Couldn't afford more than a C-64 or CoCo back then, but I remember them as
some of the best days in computer history.
A parting question: I'm not exactly sure if the HP 7450a 2-pen plotter falls
within the 10-year limit but... Does anyone know where I can get new pens
for this unit?
- John Higginbotham
- limbo.netpath.net
<Maybe with a Disk/Video interface. There's got to be a swap device
<_somewhere_. (Well, there _was_ that wedge thingie that would add up
<to 512k RAM that a firm in Glendale CA was advertising, but they never
Ram disks are fairly easy to do and banked ram as well. The PX-8 did it
to 120k. I'd heard there was a 512k wedge design out there too. I'd love
to see how that was done.
Allison
I want to thank everyone for their comments on my collection. There are
still quite a few machines that I don't have, but at least now I think I
have a pretty complete wanted list! 8^)
The suggestions from the list:
Convergent Workslate
Gavilan
HP 110 (Portable)
HP Portable Plus
HP Integral PC
Osborne 3
Osborne 4 (Vixen)
Apple //c
Apple Newton 100
Kaypro 2
Kaypro 2000
Radio Shack PC-1
Tandy/AST/Casio Zoomer
Visual Commuter
Apricot portable
Commodore SX-64
TRS-80 Model 4P
Tandy 600
And some more of my own:
Dynalogic Hyperion
Sinclair QL
Atari STacy
Atari ST Book
Atari STPad
TRS-80 Model 102
TRS-80 Model 200
Kaypro (All Models)
Amstrad Notepad (NC-100)
Otrona Attache
STM Systems Baby! 1
Teleram T-3000
Teleram Model 4000
Teleram Model 5000
Olivetti M10
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roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
At 06:21 PM 12/8/97 -0800, you wrote:
>I'd not heard of Elks, as I no longer stay on the "Bleeding Edge" of Linux.
>I'm in the process of checking it out at this moment. It looks
>interesting. Now if that 6502 support they mention as a posibility down
>the road would include the ability to run on a Apple II, or C-64, now that
>would be cool!
Or... dare I say it... linux on a TRS-80 Model 100/102/200??? :)
- John Higginbotham
- limbo.netpath.net
