From: HOTZE <photze(a)batelco.com.bh>
<computers will NOT be significant classics... origionally, as has been poin
<out, the "10 year" rule was to make sure that IBMs weren't included... firs
<IBM/PC, then the IBM XT, then the AT, and pretty soon, we'll be getting in
Where in the world did that come from? Since anything greater than 10 years
old would have been made in 1987 or before there is a whole class of PCs,
XTs, and even ATs that fit. However, 386s(barely), 486s and P5s do not.
Also I think the idea of the list was to not help me be a general "help me
fix my PC forum". it's a common problem that new PC oowners are everywhere
in every forums asking for help usually far from the topic and intent of the
list (comp.os.cpm come to mind). I don't mean help with a older XT or
PC but the "I just got a p6/233 and it doesn't...." stuff.
10 years, that's simple enough for most of us.
Allison
<From: HOTZE <photze(a)batelco.com.bh>
<(1) Are old/new Motherboards compatible (IE 300 Mhz now, 600 Mhz later)
I don't know or care. Likely not but there are reasons I say so.
<(2) Where on God's creation can the parts???? (As for the OS, I'll probably
take Linux, or NT, but I though there was translation software for x86
written...)
I can't solve your geography problem. Here in the USA Alphas are plentyful
as in western europe. The news groups have several a week for sale.
Yes there is DEC software for x86 emulation.
All you need to do is spend money as most all of it is current enough to
buy. It is far to new to even discuss it further here Alpha is a 90s
machine! By definition not eligible for status here till 2000+.
Allison
<> > latest thing to come down the 'pike - it's all ASICs, custom silicon,
<> > and surface mount stuff on wafer-thin boards. In short - not built
<> > to last. Nor is it designed to.
Surface mount offers compact and also better signal integrity for ultrafast
logic. There are many good reasons for surface mount that are in the realm
of quality improvement. Yes, it's take more skill to fix and some of the
parts are not easy to come by.
FYI in the industry there a few descriptions of part of the problem.
Good, fast, cheap, pick two.
Cost of repair exceeds value of unit. Fix/trash decision.
Many machine were made the way they were because technology of the time
balanced against cost were deciding factors.
Allison
There is a local (Silicon Valley) guy who has a model 6122 disk subsystem
with two packs. It has a capacity of 277MB and requires 3 phase power.
Included are also some shipping cases for the packs.
I believe that the subsystem weighs about 200-300 pounds. The dimensions
are approximately 20" x 48" x 30". It was used with a Data General
Eclipse S/140.
My understanding is that the unit can be had for the price of shipping
or for free you are willing to pick it up. I am willing to take care of
the labor for packing and shipping.
This unit will be scrapped soon if a home cannot be found for it.
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> William Donzelli wrote:
>
> > says that they will last at least ten years. The best solution (other than
> > mylar punched tape) is probably the older WORM drives (not MOs!), as they
>
> Purely out of morbid curiosity, has anybody ever considered making Tyvek
> tape? The stuff is damned near impossible to tear and difficult even to
> stretch enough to lose data.
That is actually a very good idea. I shall dig out some tyvek samples and
cut some inch-wide strips for initial tests. If this is OK, I shall
contact the manufacturers. I'll post results here, but can't make any
promises as to timescale.
FWIW I kept some tyvek samples (from an office supplies catalogue) for use
as gasket paper on my car. Works a treat on things like carburettors, gear
levers, etc. Don't fancy trying it on cylinder heads, though...
Philip.
I need some 5 1/4" 10-sector floppies for my various "classic/antique"
machines. I thought that was what I was buying in a recent on-line
auction. What I ended up with was 16-sector floppies. I don't even
know what uses these; certainly nothing I have. Accordingly, I'm
offering to trade for 10-sector versions. These are Inmac DS,DD, 16
hard sector 5 1/4" disks with envelopes. Quantity 30 (3 boxes of 10).
Two boxes are still factory shrink-wrapped. The 3rd was until I
opened it to verify that I'd gotten the wrong thing; none were used.
Make a trade offer, or alternatively, does anyone know where and how
much I might be able to just *buy* some 10-sectors?
-Bill Richman
bill_r(a)inetnebr.com
http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r
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>Ok, I still haven't been able to find out what's wrong with the LCD in my
>Tandy Model 100 (the rest of the machine works fine, as I was able to tell
>by blind-writing BASIC progs that beep the speaker).
Just type PRINT CHR$(7), which will process ASCII BEL (Control G).
>In a message dated 97-11-17 12:20:14 EST, HOTZE put forth:
>RE: the unix box, and the issue whether to power it up:
>back in the 1980s i collected beer cans and it was clearly established that
>cans were worth more if full, or emptied from the bottom so the drink tab was
>left undisturbed and full 6packs were the most valuable, so i say if it's
>left alone, it would be "worth" more. i have an unused ibm 5150 in the
>original box with the original cardboard shipping disks along with the
>original keyboard in its' box. they may not be worth a lot now, but will be
>eventually, especially with their boxes and documentation.
>david
I think we are forgetting one thing. Sure the 7300 would technically be
"worth" more still in the box, but there is a limit to what you'll be able
to actually get. You see these things very often for free (3B2's as well)
on the comp.sys.att newsgroup so what does that make it worth then?
I would have to vote for "just use it."
Any parts can be scavenged from PC's or usually for free on the ng.
LeS
At 04:38 PM 11/17/97 +0000, you wrote:
> EXACTLY!!!! There are people who collect baseball cards (Somehthing
which
> I DO NOT do) and leave them in the packaging.... they don't even know what
> cards are inside.... for all they know, the information could lead them to
I know a guy who has a collection of CA lottery tickets (the $1 scratch-off
tickets) that is complete (except one that he missed). One of each type,
unscratched. Sure, he could be missing out on $10k or something, but to
him, having the collection is worth more. (He also has a collection of
scratched ones.)
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