Well, I really want to just have about 5 connections. I don't want to be
using the machine for my own purposes, but rather to "join in" on the BBS
itself. I think that a 4800 connection would be good... about twice as
fast as a 28800 internet connection. I'm really ready to learn, but at
this time of writing, I only have the 486/66, and an 080880/8Mhz, which
dosn't work. I really just want to make something for my friends and I to
meet on... here, Internet is still expensive, and most people refust to
upgrade to anything past Netscape 2.0. I need really to know about
multiple phone/modems. The phone isn't a problem, the modem is. How much
do the 4800's run for? I've already got two modems, one a 2400 sendf/9600
recieve, and another a 33.6 both ways. I really need to know what to do,
the whole smackum, as I'm very "computer literate", in DOS and Windows, but
rather inexperianced with this kind of stuff.
Ciao,
Tim D. Hotze
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From: Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)northernway.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Subject: BBS Box
Date: Friday, October 31, 1997 6:46 PM
Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Hotze said:
> Oh, yeah, I have one more question. If I want to make a BBS (regardless
>or software), what type of hardware should I have to handle multiple
>connections? I believe that my computer is BBS-server-sufficent for DOS
(2
>GB HDD, 28 MB RAM, 486/66 processor), as that's twice as fast as a server
>would be in 1990, with DOS at it's peak, before Windows started ruining
the
>whole thing :-) .
How many multiple connections? What kind of speed per connection? Do you
also want to use the machine for yourself at the same time? These do make a
difference, for you could run 2 connections at 2400 baud on a 2Mhz CoCo 3
w/512K RAM. All you need is a way to interface the ports (or build your
own.) Under OS-9, you may even have enough CPU over to play Rogue (tho not
quickly). With a 6309 processor and NitrOS-9, you could most easily do this
setup and still use the machine for yourself.
(And yes, someone *has* designed an overclocking circuit to run a 6x09 at
4Mhz, except during memory accesses which does gain you a fair amount of
speed... ;-)
In the IBM world, I'd say for 4 dial up lines at 9600/14.4 you'd need a
minimum of a 386DX 25 w/8 Megs RAM, running Dos/Linux (Windows not spoken
here... too much overhead) and decent BBS software and you'd have no
problem whatsoever. (Again, with Linux, you may still be able to use the
machine for background tasks for yourself without harming that speed... but
not big jobs, of course.)
Anyway, YMMV, HTH, HSIYE (Here's Spit In Your Eye... ;-) and all that jazz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
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zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?
here we go again...
With the DLV11-J cable, RCV- and GND have to be crossed. Is there any
such crossing required with the DL11-W? I can see output from the PDP,
but I can't talk back to it.
Hi, folks,
Those in the New York area, heads up! Found this on Usenet...
<NOTE TO BOB SCHOR: I've forwarded your post to a mailing list of folk
who specialize in keeping the old systems alive. If anyone's interested,
they'll respond to you directly>.
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From: Bob Schor <bschor(a)vms.cis.pitt.edu>
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Subject: 11/44 Available in NYC
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:11:27 -0400
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I have just turned off a PDP-11/44 which has been pretty much
continuously running since the early 1980's (I'm not sure when we got it
>from DEC). It is available to anyone who wants it, but you better act
fast, as others are itching to get the room it is in (and will
probably consign it to the dumpster). There are also two RK06 drives,
but we haven't been using them for perhaps a decade (using a Winchester
disk on a Dilog MSCP controller).
There are also two DZ boards on this system, plus documentation (again,
act quickly!).
Give me a call or send e-mail ASAP. This machine is located at
Rockefeller University in New York City. You would need to Come and Get
It ...
Bob Schor
University of Pittsburgh
(412) 647-2116
bschor(a)vms.cis.pitt.edu
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Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272)
http://www.wizards.net/technoid -- kyrrin2-At-Wizards-Dot-Net
"...Spam is bad. Spam wastes resources. Spam is theft of service. Don't spam, period..."
>I have an old IDE drive, it's a Segate 41 MB. It says ST-251, then on a
>seperate sticker it says -1 right next to the first one. Serial number is
>25534738. It's the large kind, like they had back in the early 80's.
An ST-251-1 isn't an IDE. It's a 40MB half-height 5.25 MFM drive. It'll
run at 1 to 1 (also known as "no") interleave if you can find a fast enough
controller; try an Everex EV-332 with fairly late ROMs.
>>I have an old IDE drive, it's a Segate 41 MB. It says ST-251, then on a
>>seperate sticker it says -1 right next to the first one. Serial number is
>>25534738. It's the large kind, like they had back in the early 80's.
>
>
>An ST-251-1 isn't an IDE. It's a 40MB half-height 5.25 MFM drive. It'll
>run at 1 to 1 (also known as "no") interleave if you can find a fast enough
>controller; try an Everex EV-332 with fairly late ROMs.
Um -- very tiny point. The interface is ST-506/412. The _encoding_ is MFM.
Plenty of 5 1/4" form factor drives (such as the ST-238) used RLL encoding,
but the same physical interface...i.e. ST-506/412.
You can tell an IDE because it has one 40-pin cable...the ST-506/412
interface required 2 cables...a 20-pin and a 34 pin. ESDI's (rare) took 2
cables (20 & 34) also.
manney(a)nwohio.com
Just picked up a Computer Automation "Naked Mini" computer (PC board
actually), and now need to find some docs on it.
I can make a few assumptions based on examining the board, but there a
number of option jumpers, connectors, and card edge (finger) connectors on
it, and I'd just as rather not blow the poor thing up by experimenting on
it.
So, does anyone have either a spare copy of the docs, or can be convinced
to run a set thru your favourite mode of duplication?
-jim
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> while searching around town for a mac II video card, i came across this
> little machine for $10 at a computer parts store! not long ago, some idiot
That's a great price for a portfolio. (Even without all the the expansion
stuff.)
The portfolio was one of the first handheld computers, and is (afaik) either
the first or second handheld PC Compatible. (The other contender is the
Poquet PC -- I've never seen a definitive answer as to which was first.)
If you want to get rid of it, I'd gladly double your money! 8^)
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sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
At 09:51 10/31/97 -0000, you wrote:
>The link that you have followed points to a document that does not exist.
>Please contact the author(s) of the referer document to ask them to
>remove/correct the pointer.
>
>Is the page gone or is the URL wrong?
Neither, I just got to it myself. It's at Manchester. Try
http://www.mcc.ac.uk/~dlms/atari.html
__________________________________________
Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
http://www.chac.org/index.html
Computer History Association of California
At 04:11 10/31/97 +0000, you wrote:
>> while searching around town for a mac II video card, i came across this
>> little machine for $10 at a computer parts store! not long ago, some idiot
>> was trying to sell something similar for $100....
A: You were real lucky to get one for $10.
B: re "idiot," I bought a Pofo with a cool leather case, two RAM cards and
full docs from a Stanford student for $75, two years ago, and recognized it
then as a bargain. Today in the Valley a working Portfolio, with case and
set of goodies, is $150 to $200. (For most of its life the bare machine
sold for $295 new.)
__________________________________________
Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
http://www.chac.org/index.html
Computer History Association of California
Okay, let's all try to search for this Tim Jennings and try to encourage
him to either re-connect or make a new version of Fido. There are enough
of us with enough experiance to encourage him. Imagine! Having a living
legend with us!!! I believe that BBSs in a HTML or Java-ized form still
have a chance yet. They're 1. fast 2. cheap 3. You can use them for a
multitude of services-like you could have 1 server, give it a cheap (sort
of) 56K or ISDN connection, and then all users would have internet access.
At least we could try to get patent rights if he'd let us. (Which he
probably would, as he's not doing to much with it now!), and establish
ourselves as a hisoric society (What else could you call us?), and make a
few BBSs just to be a part of history.
Oh, yeah, I have one more question. If I want to make a BBS (regardless
or software), what type of hardware should I have to handle multiple
connections? I believe that my computer is BBS-server-sufficent for DOS (2
GB HDD, 28 MB RAM, 486/66 processor), as that's twice as fast as a server
would be in 1990, with DOS at it's peak, before Windows started ruining the
whole thing :-) .
Ciao,
Tim D. Hotze
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From: Lawrence Walker <lwalker(a)mail.interlog.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Fido is far from dead!
Date: Friday, October 31, 1997 7:11 AM
> At 07:38 AM 10/29/97 -0800, you wrote:
> >>Check around on the web for Fido software. Back in the days before the
> >>Internet, FidoNet was a world-wide network of independant BBS's.
> >
> > Fido is far from dead. In fact, some sysops have claimed an increase in
>
> Whups! I did not mean to imply at all that Fido was dead. Only that I
was
> communicating with people around the world long before most of us heard
> about the Internet. I think Fido is great and I'm glad to hear it is
still
> going strong.
> Btw, is Tom(?) Jennings (is that his name? the author of Fido) still
around
> in the Fido world? I met him once -- a true genius, and definitely
deserves
> greater acclaim than he has received.
>
Maybe someone more knowledgeable could fill us in, but based on
scuttlebut I read in some FIDO confs. he recently pulled the plug on
FIDO, since he holds the patent, and many N.A. nodes have folded
their tents and the remaining ones are operating illegally, causing a
drop-off in traffic. Outside N.A. AFAIK , it's going strong. Perhaps
Bruce Lane could set me straight on this if you will.
ciao larry
lwalkerN0spaM(a)interlog.com
