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by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 06:33 PM 5/1/97 -0700, you wrote: > | >- Add: NorthStar model with built-in monitor (forget the >model, Tim > | >Shoppa has one) > > | The NorthStar "Advantage" (I have one too) > >Yeah, come to think of it, the one Tim has that I was thinking of was >actually a similar IMSAI with built-in monitor. The name was something >like "DPC-1" Well... letters and numbers anyway... The IMSAI VDP-80. (sold and serviced those too!) -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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by zmerch＠northernway.net

Whilst in a self-induced trance, Tim Shoppa happened to blather: >Well, when it comes down to it, vanilla CP/M never had >FORMAT. Didn't matter a whole lot on vanilla systems, as >8" floppies always come preformatted. Yes, but what about *chocolate* CP/M? Huh? How about that, Mr. Smart-Guy??? Everybody knows that chocolate is better than vanilla!!! ;^> I'm just joking... still working & it's been a long night! Anyone here have any experience with Unix NewsServer Daemons? That be me problem tonite, matey! See ya, "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* zmerch(a)northernway.net | be your first career choice.

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Atari prob, etc.

by BigLouS＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-04-30 03:16:50 EDT,idavis(a)comland.com (Isaac Davis) writes: > there is also a product called ape which is at http://www.nacs.net/~classics which allows you to connect your atari to a pc. They also have schematics <snip>. I use ape with my setup and it has worked just fine. I download Atari software to my PC and Ape does the rest. The cable is fairly easy to build if you have some soldering experience. Lou

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by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| >- Add: MITS Altair 680, 68000, 1976 | Ummm... no. 6800 mpu (not 68000) Typo... thanks | >- Add: NorthStar model with built-in monitor (forget the model, Tim | >Shoppa has one) | The NorthStar "Advantage" (I have one too) Yeah, come to think of it, the one Tim has that I was thinking of was actually a similar IMSAI with built-in monitor. The name was something like "DPC-1" | >- Change: NorthStar Horizons primarily ran NSDOS | Interesting... Many I worked with ran OASIS. B^} I guess it would have been clearer to say "NorthStar Horizons shipped with NSDOS". I'm sure most of them "primarily ran" CP/M after the owners realized how obscure and limiting NSDOS was ("cd" to Copy Disk? Gee, a DOS user would never type that by accident!) Kai

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by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Great list! Some additions & changes: - Add: Advanced Micro Devices AM-2900, AMD 2901, 1978 - Add: Apple I, 1976 - Add: Apple/Tempest TPI 863T milspec Macintosh, 68000, 1986 - Add: Apple/Honeywell "Black Apple" custom manufactured Apple II+ - Add: Atari 1040STE - 1989 (improved 1040ST) - Change: Atari Mega machines were the Mega ST (with 1, 2 or 4MB, 1987) and the Mega STE (improved, 1991). I've never heard of a "Mega 1" or "Mega 2" - Add: Atari ATW800 Transputer Workstation, 1988 - Add: AT&T 3B1, 68010, 2MB, 1985 - Add: Commodore KIM-1 singleboard, 6502, 1K, 1976 - Add: Commodore Amiga 2000/3000/4000 (Too new?) - Change: Commodore Executive 64 official designation was SX-64 - Change: Cromemco Z's were Z2, Z3, with & without a D for Disk drive, as in Z2D--don't think there was a Z1. The "System" line was separate. I think the only one was the System 3, aka "CS-3" (I've got one), Z80A, ~1978. - Add: Data General MicroNOVA series, and Data General portable - Add: Data Science XOR, Z80A, 64K, 1981 - Add: E&L MMD-1 Singleboard, 8080, 1977 - Add: Exidy Sorcerer, Z80, 1978 - Add: Heathkit H8, 8080, 1977 - Add: Heathkit H11, LSI-11, 1977 - Add: IBM 5100, no microprocessor, 1975 - Add: IMSAI 8080, 8080, 1977 - Add: Intecolor CompuColor II, 8080A, ~1979 - Add: Integrated Computer Systems (ICS) Suitcase Trainer, NEC 8255, 1978 - Add: Intel Intellec-8, 8008, 1973 - Add: Intersil Intercept Jr. singleboard, IM6100, 1976 - Change: Intertec Superbrain II was actually 2xZ80. There's also a Superbrain II Jr, don't know what the difference is - Add: Ithaca InterSystems DPS-1, Z80, ~1978 - Change: "Kaypro Corp" should be Non-Linear Systems - Add: Mattel Aquarius, Z80A, 4K, 1983 - Add: Micro Design Z80 Starter Kit singleboard, Z80, 1976 - Add: Micro Mint Z8 Basic/Micro, Z8, 1981 - Add: Micro Technology Unlimited (MTU) MTU-130, 6502, 80K, 1981 - Add: MITS Altair 680, 68000, 1976 - Add: MITS Altair 8800, 8080, 1975 - Add: MITS Altair 8800b, 8080, 1976 - Add: NEC PC8001, Z80, 1979 - Add: NorthStar model with built-in monitor (forget the model, Tim Shoppa has one) - Change: NorthStar Horizons primarily ran NSDOS - Add: Ohio Scientific (tons of other models, I'll have to look in a magazine) - Change: Onyx C8002 was Z8000, 256K, Unix, 1980 - Add: Panasonic JR200U, 6802, 32K - Add: Polymorphic Poly-88, 8080?, 1976 - Add: Processor Technology Sol-20, 8080A, 1976 - Add: RCA COSMAC ELF, RCA1802, 1977 - Add: RCA COSMAC VIP, RCA1802 - Add: Sanyo MBC-550 - Add: Scelbi 8H (kit), 8008, 1973 - Add: Southwest Technical Products (SWTPC) 6800 Computer System, 6800, 1977 - Add: Southwest Technical Products (SWTPC) other lineup (M6809, etc. need to look in a magazine) - Add: Spectravideo 318, Z80, 32K, 1983 - Add: Spectravideo 328, Z80, 64K, 1984 - Add: Sphere Corporation Sphere-1, 6800, 4K, 1975 - Add: Synertek SYM-1 singleboard, 6502, 1978 - Add: Tandy TRS-80 Model 4, Z80 - Change: Tandy "4D Micro" should be TRS-80 Model 4D, Z80 - Add: Tandy TRS-80 Model 1, Z80, 1978 - Change: Tandy TRS-80 Model 1/2/3/4 operating systems should be TRSDOS - Change: Tandy TRS-80 Model 16B operating system should be XENIX/TRSDOS - Change: Tandy TRS-80 Micro Color Computer RAM should be 4K - Add: Timex-Sinclair ZX80, NEC 780-1, 1K, 1980 - Add: Timex-Sinclair ZX81, Z80A, 1K, 1981 - Add: Timex-Sinclair ZX1000 - Add: Titus Mark-8 (plans only), 8008, 1974 - Add: Vector Graphic 1, 1977 - Add: Xerox Alto, 1974 - Add: Xerox Star, 1977 - Change: Zenith Z89 OS was CP/M 2.2 Kai > ---------- > From: Bill Whitson[SMTP:bill@booster.bothell.washington.edu] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 1997 1:54 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: The List! > > Hi all. > > After getting your numerous recommendations on the last > version ;) I updated the List of Classic Computers. It > now includes 83 more machines and notes as to CPU, base > RAM, Primary OS, and Class. I carry it with me when I > go hunting - hopefully it will be useful to you too. > > As always - I'd love to hear from you with additions or > corrections. This list is currently quite weak when it > comes to pre-'78 machines, minis and bigger computers. > I'm sure that just the DEC section should be three times > as long. My resources only go so far ;). > > --- > The Big List of Classic Computers > Last Rev: 4/30/97 > > This list is compiled from various sources: fliers, magazines, > ads, manuals, and price books. The information is as acurate as > the original sources. > > I have removed PCs and clones from this list - they were taking > up too much space. I may put together a separate PC list in the > future. This list does not include game consoles, calculators, > or word processors. > > If you have anything to add or revise, contact Bill Whitson > (e-mail bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu). > > MODEL is the manufacturers model number. > CPU indicates the type of CPU. > RAM is the amount of RAM installed in a base unit. > OS is the primary operating system or OS delivered with the unit. > ADOS 3.X = Apple II DOS v3.x > AMIGAOS = Amiga Operating System > AMOS = Alpha-Microsystems Operating System > ATRDOS = Atari Built-In OS > CBMOS = Commodore Built-In OS > CP/M = CP/M-80, CP/M-86, CP/M-68K, MP/M, etc... > CROMIX = Cromemco CROMIX > FLEX = FLEX > GS/OS = Apple IIgs Operating System > LOS = LISA Office System > MACOS = MacOS > OS/9 = OS/9 > PRODOS16 = Apple 16bit ProDOS > PRODOS8 = Apple 8bit ProDOS > SOS = Apple III DOS > TDOS = TurboDOS > TOS = Atari ST Operating System > UNIX = Any true UNIX variant > > TYPE is the class of computer > MAIN = Computers physically larger than 2m x 2m x 2m > MINI = Computers physically larger than 1m x 1m x 1m or which > are composed of separate subsystems. > MICRO = Single unit machines smaller than 1m x 1m x 1m > PORT. = Portable (Lugabble, Laptop, Notebook, Handheld) units. > YEAR is when the computer was first produced. > > ================================================================== > MANUFACTURER > MODEL CPU RAM OS TYPE > YR > ================================================================== > Acorn------------------------------------------------------------- > Atom 6502 4K ?? MICRO 80 > Bus. Comp. Model 100 6502 w/Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 > Bus. Comp. Model 110 6502 w/Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 > Bus. Comp. Model 200 6502 w/32016 512K ?? MICRO 84 > Bus. Comp. Model 210 6502 w/32016 4MB ?? MICRO 84 > Bus. Comp. Model 300 6502 w/80286 1MB ?? MICRO 84 > Bus. Comp. Model 310 6502 w/80286 1MB ?? MICRO 84 > Bus. Comp. Model PA 6502 64K ?? MICRO 84 > Bus. Comp. Terminal 6502 64K ?? MICRO 84 > Electron 6502 32K ?? MICRO 83 > Master 65C02 128K ?? MICRO > 86 > Model A 6502 16K ?? MICRO 81 > Model B 6502 32K ?? MICRO 82 > Model B+ 6502 64K ?? MICRO 84 > Proton 6502 16K ?? MICRO > 81 > System 1 6502 1K ?? MICRO 79 > System 2 6502 32k ?? MICRO 80 > Automated Computer Systems---------------------------------------- > 4040 MC 4040 64K CP/M MICRO 78 > 8080 MC 8080 64K CP/M MICRO 79 > 8080 MCS 8080 64K CP/M MICRO 79 > 8080 MPU 8080 64K CP/M MICRO 79 > 8080/Z80 8008 w/Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 > Z80 MCS Z80 128K TDOS MICRO 81 > Z80 MCS Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Action Computer Enterprise, Inc.---------------------------------- > Discovery 500 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Discovery 1600 Z80 w/8086 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Actrix Computers-------------------------------------------------- > DSDD Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > SSDD Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Adra Systems------------------------------------------------------ > Model 1000 68020 2.5MB ?? MICRO 86 > Model 3000 68020 4MB ?? MICRO 86 > Advanced Digital Corporation-------------------------------------- > Super System II ?? ?? TDOS MICRO 84 > SuperStar ?? ?? TDOS MICRO 84 > Alcyon------------------------------------------------------------ > APS 68000 256K UNIX MINI 84 > APS/RMS 68000 256K UNIX MINI 84 > APX 68000 256K UNIX MINI 84 > Alpha Info Systems------------------------------------------------ > Model 100 8085 1MB ?? ?? > 77 > Model 100T 8085 1MB ?? ?? 79 > Alpha MicroSystems------------------------------------------------ > AM-680C 68000 128K AMOS MICRO 84 > AM-680M 68000 128K AMOS MICRO 84 > AM-1000 68000 128K AMOS MICRO 82 > AM-1000E 68000 256K AMOS MICRO 83 > AM-1000X 68000 128K AMOS MICRO 84 > ALSPA Computer---------------------------------------------------- > ACI-1 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > ACI-2 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Zero Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Altos Computer Systems-------------------------------------------- > 3068 68020 4MB ?? MICRO 88 > 3068 EP 68020 4MB ?? MICRO 88 > 580-2 Z80 192K CP/M MICRO > 83 > 580-20 Z80 192K CP/M MICRO > 83 > 680-40 68000 ?? ?? MICRO > 85 > 8000-10 Z80 208K ?? MICRO 78 > 8000-12 Z80 208K ?? MICRO 78 > 8000-14 Z80 208K ?? MICRO 78 > Advanced Micro Devices-------------------------------------------- > Model 96/4116 Z80 32K CP/M MICRO > 80 > Ampere, Inc.------------------------------------------------------ > WS1A 68000 64K ?? MICRO 85 > WS1B 68000 256K ?? MICRO 85 > Amstrad----------------------------------------------------------- > CPC464 Z80A 64K AMSDOS MICRO 84 > CPC664 Z80A 64K AMSDOS MICRO 85 > CPC6128 Z80A 128K AMSDOS MICRO 85 > PCW8256 Z80 256K ?? MICRO 85 > PCW8512 Z80 512K ?? MICRO 86 > PCW9512 Z80 512K ?? MICRO 87 > APF Electronics--------------------------------------------------- > IM1 6800 8K ?? MICRO 80 > Apollo Computer--------------------------------------------------- > 400/420 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > Domain ?? ?? ?? ?? > 81 > Apple Computer, Inc.---------------------------------------------- > Apple II 6502 16K ADOS 3.X MICRO 77 > Apple II+ 6502 48K ADOS 3.X MICRO 81 > Apple IIc 65C02 128K PRODOS8 PORT. 85 > Apple IIc+ 65C02 128K PRODOS8 PORT. 86 > Apple IIe 6502 128K PRODOS8 MICRO 82 > Apple IIgs (ROM 01) 65C816 256K PRODOS16 MICRO 86 > Apple IIgs (ROM 02) 65C816 256K PRODOS16 MICRO 87 > Apple IIgs (ROM 03) 65C816 1.25MB GS/OS MICRO 88 > Apple III 6502 128K SOS MICRO 83 > Apple III+ 6502 256K SOS MICRO 84 > Lisa 1 68000 1MB LOS MICRO 83 > Lisa 2 68000 512K LOS MICRO 84 > Macintosh 128 68000 128K MACOS MICRO > 84 > Macintosh 512 68000 512K MACOS MICRO > 84 > Macintosh Plus 68010 1MB MACOS MICRO > 86 > Macintosh Plus Enh. 68010 512K MACOS MICRO 86 > Macintosh XL 68000 512K MACOS MICRO 84 > Applied Digital Data Systems-------------------------------------- > Multivision 1 8085 64k CP/M MICRO > 80 > Multivision 2 8085 64K CP/M MICRO > 81 > Multivision 3 8085 192K CP/M MICRO > 81 > Applied Electronics----------------------------------------------- > Model 10 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Model 15 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Applied Systems Corporation--------------------------------------- > ASC 68000 68000 64K ?? MICRO 83 > ASC Portable 8088 w/8085 32K ?? PORT. 83 > AT&T-------------------------------------------------------------- > 3704-040 ?? 1MB UNIX MICRO 86 > 3704-045 ?? 2MB UNIX MICRO 86 > 3704-065 ?? 2MB UNIX MICRO 86 > 3B2/300 WE32000 1MB UNIX MINI 86 > 3B2/400 WE32100 2MB UNIX MINI > 86 > 7300A1 ?? 512K UNIX MICRO > 86 > 7300A2 ?? 1MB UNIX MICRO > 86 > 7300B1 ?? 512K UNIX MICRO > 86 > 7300D1 ?? 512K UNIX MICRO > 86 > 7300E2 ?? 1MB UNIX MICRO > 86 > Atari------------------------------------------------------------- > 1040ST 68010 512K TOS MICRO 85 > 1200XL 6502C 64K ATRDOS MICRO 82 > 130XE 6502C 128K ATRDOS MICRO > 85 > 400 6502 16K ATRDOS MICRO 79 > 520ST 68000 512K TOS MICRO 85 > 600XL 6502C 16K ATRDOS MICRO 83 > 65XE 6502C 64K ATRDOS MICRO 85 > 800 6502 48K ATRDOS MICRO 79 > 800XL 6502C 64K ATRDOS MICRO 83 > Mega 2 68000 2MB ?? MICRO 87 > Mega 4 68000 4MB ?? MICRO 87 > XE Game System 6502C 64K ATRDOS MICRO > 87 > Auragen Systems Corporation--------------------------------------- > System 4000 68010 ?? ?? ?? 84 > Barreto Associates------------------------------------------------ > MicroMaster Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Barrington International------------------------------------------ > Elite Z80 256K CP/M MICRO 82 > Barrister Info Systems-------------------------------------------- > Law Office Manager Z80 ?? ?? ?? 75 > Basis------------------------------------------------------------- > Model 108 Z80 w/6502 64K CP/M MICRO 80 > BBN Computer Corp.------------------------------------------------ > C60 Z80 256K UNIX MINI 80 > C70 Z80 256K UNIX MINI 81 > Beehive Corp.----------------------------------------------------- > The Topper Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Bell Computer Systems--------------------------------------------- > Model 4 6502 64K ADOS 3.X MICRO 84 > Bell and Howell--------------------------------------------------- > Model 78400 6502 16K ?? MICRO 83 > Model 78401 6502 16K ?? MICRO 83 > Model 78402 6502 16K ?? MICRO 83 > Model 3016D 6502 16K ?? MICRO 83 > Model 3032D 6502 32K ?? MICRO 83 > Model 3048D 6502 48K ?? MICRO 83 > Berkel Systems---------------------------------------------------- > Model 4410 6502 16K ?? MICRO 74 > Billings Computer Corp.------------------------------------------- > System 500 II Z80 56K TDOS MICRO > 82 > System 6000B Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 > System 6000 II Z80 64K TDOS MICRO > 82 > System 6000 X Z80 64K TDOS MICRO > 82 > System 6000 XII Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 > BC-12FD Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 79 > BlackHawk Computers----------------------------------------------- > BlackHawk 3 8085 64K ?? MICRO 79 > BlackHawk 4 8085 64K ?? MICRO 79 > BMC, Inc.--------------------------------------------------------- > BMC-800 Model 20C Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > BMC-800 Model 20G Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Bondwell Computers------------------------------------------------ > BW2 Z80C 64K CP/M MICRO 85 > BW12 Z80A 64K CP/M MICRO 85 > BW14 Z80A 128K CP/M MICRO 85 > BW16 Z80A 128K CP/M MICRO 85 > BOS Systems------------------------------------------------------- > BOS-M Z80 w/80186 64K TDOS MICRO 81 > Cyte 86 Z80 w/80186 64K TDOS MICRO 82 > BTI Computer Systems---------------------------------------------- > BTI 4800 Z80 w/8088 64K ?? ?? 84 > BTI 5000 Mark II Z80 w/80186 64K ?? ?? 83 > BTI 5000/ES Z80 w/80186 64K ?? ?? 83 > BTI 6000 Z80 W/8088 128K ?? ?? 84 > BTI 8000 BTI8000 24MB ?? ?? > 85 > Burroughs Corp.--------------------------------------------------- > B1800 Z80 w/80186 64K ?? MICRO 83 > B1910 Z80 w/80186 128K ?? MICRO 83 > B1913 Z80 w/80186 128K ?? MICRO > 83 > OW400 8085 64K ?? MICRO 82 > CADO Systems------------------------------------------------------ > CAT III 8085 64K ?? MICRO 82 > System 20/20 8085 48K ?? MICRO 78 > System 20/28 8085 96K ?? MICRO 83 > CCG--------------------------------------------------------------- > Micro 11 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 > Ultra 11/730 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 83 > Ultra 11/750 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 83 > Ultra PDP 11/44 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 83 > Ultra PDP 11/73 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 83 > Ultra PDP 11/23 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 83 > California Computer Systems--------------------------------------- > Model 1000 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 > Model 3000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > System 200 Z80 32K CP/M MICRO 81 > System 300 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > System 400 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > System 410 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > System 420 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Callan Data Systems----------------------------------------------- > CD 100 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 81 > CD 100M 68000 256K UNIX ?? 82 > UniStar 100 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 > UniStar 200 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 > UniStar 300 NS16032 512K UNIX ?? 84 > Canaan Computer Corp.--------------------------------------------- > 5410Z ?? ?? ?? ?? 85 > 5412-P1 68000 1MB ?? ?? 84 > 5412-P2 68000 1MB ?? ?? 84 > Canon, Inc.------------------------------------------------------- > TX-10/15 6809 16K ?? MICRO 80 > Casio, Inc.------------------------------------------------------- > FX-9000 6809 4K ?? MICRO 83 > Computer Consoles, Inc.------------------------------------------- > Power 5/20 68000 1MB ?? ?? 84 > Control Data Corp.------------------------------------------------ > Cyber 18 6809 16K ?? MICRO 76 > Model 110 6809 64K ?? MICRO 83 > Computer Enhancement Corp.---------------------------------------- > CE Micro 1 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 > Centurion Computer Corp.------------------------------------------ > Model 100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 > Model 200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 > Model 5200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > Model 5300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > Model 6100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Model 6200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 > Model 6300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 > Model 6400 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 > Model 6500 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 > Model 7100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 > Model 9200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 > Micro Plus ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > Century Computer Corp.-------------------------------------------- > System 300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 > System 400 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 > System 700 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 > System 900 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 > > Vanguard 8000 Z80 w/8085 128K CP/M MICRO 82 > Vanguard 8200 Z80 w/8085 128K CP/M MICRO 82 > Vanguard 8500 Z80 w/8085 128K CP/M MICRO 82 > X1000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 > X2000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 > Challenge Systems, Inc.------------------------------------------- > CS1000 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 > Charles River Data Systems---------------------------------------- > Universe 32/115T 68020 1MB ?? ?? 85 > Universe 32/137T 68020 1MB ?? ?? 85 > Universe 32/35 68020 1MB ?? ?? 85 > Universe 65/115T 68000 ?? ?? ?? 85 > Universe 68/05 68000 256K ?? ?? 82 > Universe 68/137T 68000 512K ?? ?? 84 > Universe 68/67 68000 512K ?? ?? > 83 > Universe 68/35 68000 512K ?? ?? 84 > Universe 2402 68000 ?? ?? ?? 85 > Universe 2403 68000 512K ?? ?? > 84 > Charter Information Corp.----------------------------------------- > System 4 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 83 > CIE Systems, Inc.------------------------------------------------- > 680/20 68000 256K ?? ?? 83 > 680/30-10 68000 256K ?? ?? 83 > 680/35 68000 512K ?? ?? > 83 > 680/40 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 > 680/50 68020 1MB ?? ?? 87 > 680/100 68000 512K ?? ?? 84 > 680/150 68020 8MB ?? ?? 87 > 680/200 68000 512K ?? ?? 84 > CMC Systems------------------------------------------------------- > SuperSystem 1 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > SuperSystem 2 Z80 w/80186 128K CP/M MICRO 82 > Codex Corporation------------------------------------------------- > Model 268/21 68000 ?? ?? MICRO 83 > Model 268/24 6809 192K ?? MICRO 82 > Model 268/44 6809 192K ?? MICRO 82 > Colby Computer---------------------------------------------------- > MacColby 128 68000 128K MACOS MICRO 84 > MacColby 512 68000 512K MACOS MICRO 84 > Coleco Industries, Inc.------------------------------------------- > ADAM Z80 80K ?? MICRO 83 > Colonial Data Services-------------------------------------------- > SB80 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Columbia Data Products-------------------------------------------- > Commander 500 Z80 32K CP/M MICRO 79 > Commander 964 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 > Commander F64 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO > 79 > Commander FX Z80 96K CP/M MICRO 79 > Commander M64 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO > 79 > Comark Corp.------------------------------------------------------ > Disktor M1 Z80 w/6502 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Disktor M3 8085 64K ?? MICRO 83 > Disktor Q ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 > MB 85/285 ?? ?? CP/M MICRO 79 > Commodore--------------------------------------------------------- > 128C 8502 w/Z80 128K CBMOS MICRO 85 > 128D 8502 w/Z80 128K CBMOS MICRO 87 > 16 6510 16K ?? MICRO 84 > 64 6510 64K CBMOS MICRO 82 > 655 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Amiga 1000 68000 256K AMIGAOS MICRO 86 > Amiga 500 68000 512K AMIGAOS MICRO 86 > CBM 3008 6502 8K ?? MICRO ?? > CBM 3016 6502 16K ?? MICRO ?? > CBM 3032 6502 32K ?? MICRO ?? > CBM 4004 6502 4K ?? MICRO 79 > CBM 4008 6502 8K ?? MICRO 79 > CBM 4016 6502 16K ?? MICRO 79 > CBM 4032 6502 32K ?? MICRO 79 > CBM 8008 6502 8K ?? MICRO ?? > CBM 8016 6502 16K ?? MICRO ?? > CBM 8032 6502 32K ?? MICRO ?? > CBM 8032 6502 32K ?? MICRO 79 > CBM 8096 6502 ?? ?? MICRO ?? > CBM 8296 6502 ?? ?? MICRO ?? > CBM B128-40 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? > CBM B128-80HP ?? ?? ?? MICRO > ?? > CBM B128-80LP ?? ?? ?? MICRO > ?? > CBM B256-40 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? > CBM B256-80HP ?? ?? ?? MICRO > ?? > CBM B256-80LP ?? ?? ?? MICRO > ?? > CBM B500 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? > CBM SP9000 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? > Executive 64 6510 64K CBMOS PORT. 83 > PET 2001 6502 ?? ?? MICRO 79 > PET 2001B 6502 ?? ?? MICRO 79 > PET 2001N 6502 ?? ?? MICRO 79 > Plus 4 6510 64K ?? MICRO 84 > SuperPET 6502 w/6809 96K ?? MICRO 81 > VIC-20 6502 5K ?? MICRO 81 > Compal Computer Systems------------------------------------------- > 8200+ Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 > Electric Briefcase Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > EZ Type Z80 w/8088 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > CompTech---------------------------------------------------------- > EVE II 6502 w/Z80 64K ?? MICRO 85 > CompuCorp--------------------------------------------------------- > Model 745 Z80 192K CP/M MICRO 83 > Model 799 Z80 192K CP/M MICRO 83 > Compupro Systems-------------------------------------------------- > MP-10 Z80 w/8088 1MB CP/M MICRO > 83 > System 816/10 Z80 w/8088 1MB CP/M MICRO 84 > System 816/A 8085 w/8088 128K CP/M MICRO 82 > System 816/B 8085 w/8088 256K CP/M MICRO 82 > System 816/C 8085 w/8088 512K CP/M MICRO 82 > System 816/E 68000 256K CP/M MICRO 84 > System 816/G ?? 1MB CP/M MICRO 84 > System 816/GG Z80 w/68000 512K CP/M MICRO > 84 > System 816/Z Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 84 > The Computerist--------------------------------------------------- > Focus 6809 30K FLEX MICRO 82 > Covergent Technologies-------------------------------------------- > MiniFrame 68010 512K ?? MICRO 86 > MiniFrame Plus 68010 512K ?? MICRO 86 > MightyFrame 68020 1MB ?? MICRO 86 > Cortex Systems---------------------------------------------------- > Microdent 1 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 > Microdent 2 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 > Cromemco, Inc.---------------------------------------------------- > C10 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > CS-1 Z80 w/68000 256K CROMIX MICRO 82 > CS100 Z80 w/68010 2MB ?? MICRO 85 > CS110 Z80 w/68010 2MB ?? MICRO 86 > CS115 68020 2MB UNIX MICRO 87 > CS120 68020 4MB ?? MICRO 86 > CS200 68010 1MB ?? MINI 86 > CS220 68020 2MB ?? MINI 86 > CS300 Z80 w/68010 2MB ?? MINI 86 > CS400 Z80 w/68010 2MB ?? MINI 86 > CS420 68020 4MB ?? MINI 86 > D System 1 Z80 w/68000 512K ?? MICRO 82 > D System 100 68000 2MB UNIX ?? 84 > D System 3 Z80 w/68000 512K ?? MICRO 83 > D System 300 68000 2MB UNIX ?? 84 > Z System 0 Z80 1MB ?? MICRO 82 > Z System 1 Z80 256K ?? MICRO 82 > Z System 2 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 > Z System 3 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 > CYB Systems------------------------------------------------------- > MultiBox I 68000 256K UNIX ?? 82 > MultiBox II 68000 768K UNIX ?? 82 > Cyberchron-------------------------------------------------------- > C21 68000 4MB ?? ?? 83 > C41 68000 4MB ?? ?? 83 > C45 68000 4MB ?? ?? 83 > CDS-201 68000 64K ?? ?? 79 > CDS-231 68000 64K ?? ?? 83 > Data General Corp------------------------------------------------- > CB/50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > CEO ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > CS/10 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 > CS/100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > CS/20 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > CS/200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > CS/30 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > CS/40 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > CS/5 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > CS/50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 > CS/60 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > CS/70 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 > Eclipse C/150 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 > Eclipse C/350 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 > Eclipse MV/4000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > Eclipse S/120 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Eclipse S/130 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Eclipse S/140 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 > Eclipse S/250 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Eclipse S/280 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Enterprise 1000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > Enterprise 3000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > MPT/100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > MPT/80 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Nova 3 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Nova 4 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Datamac Computer Systems------------------------------------------ > Series 1200 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Datapoint Corp.--------------------------------------------------- > Model 1560 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Model 8600 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 > Model 8800 ?? ?? CP/M MICRO 81 > Series 1800 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 > Series 4000 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 > Series 6600 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 78 > Datavue Corp.----------------------------------------------------- > 80/100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > 80/200 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > 80/300 Z80 w/80186 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > 80/400 Z80 w/80186 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > 3000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 > DEC--------------------------------------------------------------- > Correspondent ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Datasystem 150 ?? ?? ?? ?? > 83 > Datasystem 208 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 > Datasystem 300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Datasystem 315 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Datasystem 320 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Datasystem 336 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Datasystem 356 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Datasystem 500 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Datasystem 512 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > DECMate II ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > Micro/PDP-11 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > MicroVAX I ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 > PDP-11/23 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > PDP-11/24 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > PDP-11/34 ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 > PDP-11/44 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 > PDP-11/70 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 > Professional 300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > Professional 325 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Professional 350 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Professional 380 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 > Rainbow 100 Z80 w/8088 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Rainbow 100+ Z80 w/8088 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > Robin ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > VAX-11/730 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > VAX-11/750 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 > Deltadata Systems Corp.------------------------------------------- > D8000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Micro Manager Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Delta Products Inc.----------------------------------------------- > Delta One Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Delta Two Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Delta Four Z80 256K CP/M MICRO 83 > DP/Net ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 > DP/125 ?? ?? CP/M MICRO 83 > Digicomp Research------------------------------------------------- > System 100 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 > Digidyne---------------------------------------------------------- > 5832 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 77 > 5864 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 80 > Series 200 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 82 > Digital Microsystems---------------------------------------------- > DMS-3 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > DMS-4 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 80 > DMS-15 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > DMS-86 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 > DMS-1280 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > DMS-5080 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 > DMS-5086 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 > Digital Technology------------------------------------------------ > Model 580 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 > Digitex----------------------------------------------------------- > Model 7100 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > Model 7200 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > Model 7300 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > Model 7500 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > Model 8100 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > Model 8200 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > Model 8300 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > Model 8500 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > Dimension Computer Corp.------------------------------------------ > 1000 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 > 1020 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 > 2010 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 > 3010 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 83 > 3020 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 83 > Direct, Inc.------------------------------------------------------ > Model 1000 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 > Model 1025 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Model 1031 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Display Data Corp.------------------------------------------------ > Insight Z80 64K ?? ?? 74 > DMC Systems------------------------------------------------------- > Commfile Z80 16K CP/M MICRO 78 > Docutel----------------------------------------------------------- > BCS 2025 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 > BCS 2030 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 > DC-M18 68000 100K MS-DOS MICRO 84 > M10 8085 8K ?? PORT. 84 > M20 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 > P6060 Z80 48K ?? MICRO 77 > S6000 Z8000 64K ?? MICRO 81 > DTC--------------------------------------------------------------- > 710 8085 64K ?? MICRO 83 > A22 8085 256K UNIX MICRO 83 > B23 8085 256K UNIX MICRO 82 > Micro 210A 8085 64K ?? MICRO 81 > Micro 210B 8085 64K ?? MICRO 81 > Data Technology Industries---------------------------------------- > Associate Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 79 > Dual Systems Control Corp.---------------------------------------- > 83/20 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 > 83/80 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 > 83/500 68000 2MB UNIX ?? 84 > Durango Systems Inc.---------------------------------------------- > 800 8085 64K CP/M MICRO 79 > 800XR 8085 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > 900 8085 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > 910 8085 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Dynabyte Business Computers--------------------------------------- > 6600 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 > 6900 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 > Monarch 6000 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 > Eagle Computer Inc.----------------------------------------------- > Eagle IIE Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Eagle III Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Eagle IV Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > ECS Microsystems-------------------------------------------------- > ECS 4500 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > ECS 4650 Z80 80K CP/M MICRO 82 > EEC Systems, Inc.------------------------------------------------- > Micropower/23 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > Micropower/W ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > Elan Computers---------------------------------------------------- > Enterprise 64 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 > Enterprise 128 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 84 > Epic Computers---------------------------------------------------- > Episode 2296 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Epson, Inc.------------------------------------------------------- > Geneva PX-8 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 > HX-20 Z80 16K ?? PORT. 83 > QX-10 Z80 256K ?? MICRO 83 > QX-16 Z80 512K ?? MICRO 84 > Esprit Computer Products------------------------------------------ > Model S1000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Model S1016 Z80 w/80186 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > Model S1500 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Model S1516 Z80 w/80186 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > Model S1800 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 > Model 900 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 81 > ETR, Inc.--------------------------------------------------------- > Star System Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Eve Computers----------------------------------------------------- > Eve II PC 6502 w/Z80 64K ADOS 3.X MICRO 84 > Eve Portable 6502 w/Z80 64K ADOS 3.X PORT. 84 > Evolution Computer Systems---------------------------------------- > Model 140 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Model 160 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Model 240 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Model 260 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > Model 280 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Exo Systems------------------------------------------------------- > System 5 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > System 8 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > System 58 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Exxon Office Systems---------------------------------------------- > 510 Info. Processor Z80 64K ?? MICRO 81 > 520 Info. Processor Z80 64K ?? MICRO 81 > 530 Info. Processor Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 > 8400 Series Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 > Facit, Inc.------------------------------------------------------- > Model 6500 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > FI Electronics---------------------------------------------------- > Series 7240 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 81 > Financial Business Computers-------------------------------------- > FBC Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 > Findex------------------------------------------------------------ > Model 0X1 Z80 48K CP/M MICRO 83 > Model 0X2 Z80 48K CP/M MICRO 83 > Model 9X1 Z80 48K CP/M MICRO 83 > Formation, Inc.--------------------------------------------------- > F/4000-101 AMD2900 1MB ?? ?? 81 > F/4000-201 AMD2900 1MB ?? ?? 81 > F/4000-301 AMD2900 1MB ?? ?? 81 > Fortune Systems Corp.--------------------------------------------- > 32:16 PS-10 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 > 32:16 PS-20 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 > 32:16 68000 128K UNIX ?? 81 > 32:16 XP-20 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 > 32:16 XP-30 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 > Fortune Formula 68020 ?? UNIX ?? 86 > SX45 68000 1MB ?? ?? 85 > SX45T 68000 1MB ?? ?? 85 > SX70 68000 1MB ?? ?? 85 > XP45 68000 512K ?? ?? 85 > Forward Technology------------------------------------------------ > Grpahics Workstation 68000 256K UNIX ?? 82 > Four-Phase Systems------------------------------------------------ > IV/40 ?? ?? ?? ?? 73 > IV/50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 > IV/70 ?? ?? ?? ?? 70 > IV/60 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 > IV/65 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 > IV/80 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 > IV/90 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 > IV/95 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 > Franklin Computer Corp.------------------------------------------- > Ace 10 6502 ?? ADOS 3.X MICRO 82 > Ace 1100 6502 ?? ADOS 3.X MICRO 82 > Ace 1000 6502 64K ADOS 3.X MICRO 82 > Ace 1200 6502 w/Z80 128K ADOS 3.X MICRO 83 > Ace 500 6502 64K ADOS 3.X MICRO 83 > Fujitsu, Inc.----------------------------------------------------- > Micro 16S Z80 w/8086 128K ?? MICRO 83 > Garrett Computing Systems----------------------------------------- > GSC/440 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 > GEAC Computers---------------------------------------------------- > System 2000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > General Automation------------------------------------------------ > Model 930 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 > Model 940 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 > Model 950 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 > Zebra 700 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 84 > Zebra 750 68000 128K XENIX MICRO 84 > Zebra 1000 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 82 > Zebra 1500 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 82 > Zebra 2000 68000 1MB XENIX MICRO 82 > Zebra 2500 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 82 > Zebra 3000 68000 1MB XENIX MICRO 82 > Zebra 3500 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 82 > Zebra 5500 68000 1MB XENIX MICRO 82 > General Robotics-------------------------------------------------- > BA500 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > BA800L ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 > Gemini 68000 64K ?? ?? 83 > Scorpio 68000 64K ?? ?? 81 > Super Gemini 68000 64K ?? ?? 81 > Super Pegasus 68000 64K ?? ?? 77 > Super Tristar 68000 64K ?? ?? 83 > Hagen Systems----------------------------------------------------- > Mark Ten ?? ?? ?? ?? 73 > Harris Corp.------------------------------------------------------ > H60 68000 768K ?? ?? 84 > H600 68000 1.5MB ?? ?? 83 > H700 68000 384K ?? ?? 82 > Model 1640 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Model 1650 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Heurikon Corp.---------------------------------------------------- > HK68 68000 128K UNIX ?? 84 > Minibox 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 > MLZ Z80 16K ?? ?? 83 > Modular Box 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 > Hon Computing Systems--------------------------------------------- > Hon IV ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 > Hon V ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 > Honeywell Bull, Inc.---------------------------------------------- > DPS 6/40 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > DPS 6/45 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > Level 6-23 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 > Level 6-33 ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 > Level 6-37 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Level 6-43 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 > Level 6-47 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 > Level 6-53 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 > Level 6-57 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 > System XPS-100-10 68010 512K ?? ?? 86 > System XPS-100-20 68020 2MB ?? ?? 86 > System XPS-100-40 68020 4MB ?? ?? 86 > HP---------------------------------------------------------------- > HP 1000 Series ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > HP 300 Series ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 > HP 3000 Series ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > HP 85A ?? 16K ?? MICRO 82 > HP 85B ?? ?? ?? MICRO 86 > HP 86B Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 > HP 87XM ?? 128K ?? MICRO 82 > HP 9825B ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 > HP 9845B ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 > HP 9915 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 > Series 100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Series 200 68000 512K CP/M MICRO 82 > Integrated Business Computers------------------------------------- > C-1064R Z80B 64K ?? ?? 84 > Cadet Z80B 256K ?? MICRO 84 > Ensign 68010 1MB ?? ?? 84 > Ensign 386:100 68020 ?? ?? ?? 87 > Ensign 682:100 68020 ?? ?? ?? 87 > Ensign Oasis 68000 1MB ?? ?? 84 > Middi-Cadet Z80 256K ?? MICRO 79 > Middi-Cadet High Perf. Z80H 512K ?? MICRO 84 > Multi-Star I Z80B 256K ?? MICRO 84 > Multi-Star II Z80B 256K ?? MICRO 84 > Super Cadet Z80H 320K ?? MICRO 84 > System 68 68000 512K ?? MICRO 84 > IBM--------------------------------------------------------------- > 6/430 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > 5110 ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 > 5120 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 > 8130 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 > 8140 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 > System 34 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 > System 36 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 > System 38 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > ICL, Inc.--------------------------------------------------------- > DRS20 8085 w/8088 150K ?? MICRO 82 > Immediate Business Systems---------------------------------------- > FS 2000 8085 w/8088 32K ?? ?? 83 > IMPC-------------------------------------------------------------- > Access Matrix Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Impelco----------------------------------------------------------- > IMP 800C Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 > IMP 816C Z80 w/8086 256K ?? MICRO 84 > IMS International------------------------------------------------- > 5000IS Z80 w/80186 128K TDOS MICRO 82 > 5000SX Z80 w/80186 128K TDOS MICRO 81 > 8000S Z80 w/8088 128K TDOS MICRO 81 > 8000SX Z80 w/80186 128K TDOS MICRO 81 > Information Devices----------------------------------------------- > Micro Plus Z80 w/8086 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Infotecs, Inc.---------------------------------------------------- > Control Center 2 Z80 w/8086 64K CP/M MICRO 79 > Innotronics------------------------------------------------------- > Model 6100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 > Intecolor Corporation--------------------------------------------- > 3651 8080 32K ?? MICRO 80 > 8052 8080 8K ?? MICRO 77 > 8352 8080 8K ?? MICRO 77 > Intelligent Systems----------------------------------------------- > Intecolor 8050 8080 8K ?? MICRO 77 > Intecolor 8064 8080 8K ?? MICRO 79 > Intelligent Graphics 8080 64K ?? MICRO 82 > Interphase Corp.-------------------------------------------------- > Baseboard SBC 68000 512K ?? MICRO 84 > Intersil Systems, Inc.-------------------------------------------- > 1SB-80/85 Z80 w/8085 64K ?? MICRO 83 > 1SB-809/85 Z80 w/8085 64K ?? MICRO 83 > Intertec Data Systems--------------------------------------------- > Compustar VPU 10 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 > Compustar VPU 20 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 > Compustar VPU 30 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 > Compustar VPU 40 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 > Headstart VPU 128 Z80 w/8086 128K CP/M MICRO 84 > Headstart VPU 512 Z80 w/8086 512K CP/M MICRO 84 > Headstart VPU 1000 Z80 w/8086 1MB CP/M MICRO 84 > Super Brain II Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Ithaca Intersystems----------------------------------------------- > Encore 580 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > Encore 880 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > Encore 58000 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 83 > Ithaca 525 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Jacquard, Inc.---------------------------------------------------- > J100 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 75 > J200 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 82 > J300 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 82 > J425 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 77 > J500 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 78 > J6000 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 87 > Jade Computer Products-------------------------------------------- > System III Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 > Jonos International----------------------------------------------- > C2000 Z80A 64K ?? MICRO 85 > C2100 Z80A w/8085 64K ?? MICRO 85 > C2150 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 84 > C2500 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 84 > C2550 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 84 > C2600 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 84 > Escort C2100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Escort C2500 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > Kaypro Corp.------------------------------------------------------ > Kaypro 2x300 Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 84 > Kaypro 4 Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 83 > Kaypro 10 Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 83 > Kaypro II Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 82 > Kaypro II Plus 88 Z80 w/8088 256K CP/M PORT. 84 > Kaypro IV Plus 88 Z80 w/8088 256K CP/M PORT. 84 > Robie 300 Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 84 > Kontron Electronics----------------------------------------------- > PSI 80 Z80 32K CP/M MICRO 81 > Kowin Computer Corp.---------------------------------------------- > Kowin II 68000 3MB ?? ?? 87 > Kowin II Plus 68000 3MB ?? ?? 87 > Kowin III 68020 3MB ?? ?? 87 > Lanier Business Products------------------------------------------ > Computereze Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 > Shared System II ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > LMC--------------------------------------------------------------- > System I NS16032 512K ?? ?? 84 > System II NS16032 1MB ?? ?? 84 > System III NS16032 1MB ?? ?? 84 > LNW Corp.--------------------------------------------------------- > LNW 80-I Z80 48K CP/M MICRO 81 > LNW 80-II Z80 96K CP/M MICRO 81 > Lobo Systems, Inc.------------------------------------------------ > Max-80 Z80B 128K CP/M MICRO 82 > Logical Business Machines----------------------------------------- > Adam ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > David ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 > Goliath ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 > Tina ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 > MAI--------------------------------------------------------------- > Basic Four Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 > System 110 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > System 210 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > System 310 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > System 510 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > System 710 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > System S/10 Z80 128K ?? ?? 82 > System S/80 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 > Martec International---------------------------------------------- > IBEX 2000 Z80 32K CP/M MICRO 77 > IBEX 7000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 77 > Matrox Electronic Systems----------------------------------------- > MACS-10 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 > Multitech Electronics, Inc.--------------------------------------- > MIC-501 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > MIC-504 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Memotech Corp.---------------------------------------------------- > MTX 512 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 > Microcomputer Technology------------------------------------------ > MOD III Z80 16K CP/M MICRO 80 > Personal Executive Z80 1MB CP/M MICRO 82 > Microcraft Corp.-------------------------------------------------- > Dimension 68000 512K ?? ?? 84 > Microdata Corp.--------------------------------------------------- > 7608 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 > 7905 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > 7907 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > 7915 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > 7917 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > Reality 600 ?? ?? ?? ?? 73 > Reality 2000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 > Reality 4000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 73 > Reality 7000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 > Reality 8000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 > Sovereign 7920 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Sovereign 7930 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 > Sovereign 7940 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Micro-Expander, Inc.---------------------------------------------- > Expander Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Micromation, Inc.------------------------------------------------- > M/System Z80 w/8088 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Mariner 9000 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 81 > Microsystems International---------------------------------------- > Multinet Z80 w/8086 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Milwaukee Computers----------------------------------------------- > MC-100 Z80 w/6502 64K ?? MICRO 83 > Mini-Computer Systems--------------------------------------------- > Micos 100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 > Micos 200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 73 > Micos 300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 > Mohawk Data Sciences Corp.---------------------------------------- > Model 21/10 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > Model 21/20 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 > Model 21/40 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 > Model 21/50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 > Model 21/60 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Model 21/70 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Momentum Computer Systems----------------------------------------- > Model 32 68000 512K UNIX MICRO 83 > Monroe Systems---------------------------------------------------- > EC 8800 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 > Microdecision 1 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > OC 8810 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > OC 8820 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 > OC 8828 Z80 256K CP/M MICRO 81 > Morrow Designs, Inc.---------------------------------------------- > Decision 1 D120 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Decision 1 D200 Z80 256K CP/M MICRO 82 > Decision 1 D210 Z80 256K CP/M MICRO 82 > Decision 1 D220 Z80 512K CP/M MICRO 82 > Microdecision MD 1 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Microdecision MD 2 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Microdecision MD 3 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Microdecision MD 3P Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Microdecision MD 5 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 84 > Microdecision MD 11 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 > Microdecision MD 16 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 > Microdecision MD 34 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 > Tricep 68000 256K UNIX MICRO 84 > Mostek Corp.------------------------------------------------------ > Matrix-80 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 > Motorola---------------------------------------------------------- > Exormacs 68000 512K UNIX MICRO 83 > Exorset 110 6809 56K ?? MICRO 83 > M-6809 6809 64K ?? MICRO 78 > VME/10 68000 384K UNIX MICRO 83 > MSI Data---------------------------------------------------------- > MSI/88S 68000 56K ?? MICRO 82 > Musys Corp.------------------------------------------------------- > NetWork 8816 Z80 128K TDOS MICRO 83 > NetWork 8820 Z80 128K TDOS MICRO 84 > Nabu Manufacturing------------------------------------------------ > Personal Computer Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > NBI, Inc.--------------------------------------------------------- > System 1 68000 ?? UNIX ?? 84 > Technical Workstation 68000 1MB UNIX ?? 84 > NCR Corp.--------------------------------------------------------- > Decision Mate V Z80 w/8088 64K ?? MICRO 83 > I-9010 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > I-9020 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > I-9040 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > PC-8 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 > PC-8/16 Z80 w/8088 64K ?? MICRO 82 > NEC--------------------------------------------------------------- > PC6000 Z80 16K ?? MICRO 83 > PC6001A Z80 16K ?? MICRO 86 > PC8201A Z80 16K ?? MICRO 83 > PC8401A Z80 64K ?? MICRO 85 > PC8800 Z80 w/80086 64K ?? MICRO 83 > PC8801A Z80 w/8086 64K ?? MICRO 86 > Astra 200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > Astra 205 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Astra 210 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 > Astra 230 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 > Astra 250 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 > Astra 270 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Astra 330 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 > Astra 350 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 > Astra 370 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 > Nelma Data Corp.-------------------------------------------------- > Persona Z80 ?? ?? MICRO 82 > Persona II Z80 w/8088 192K ?? MICRO 83 > New England Digital----------------------------------------------- > A-40 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 77 > A-60 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 78 > Nixdorf Computer Corp.-------------------------------------------- > Model 80 ?? ?? ?? ?? 70 > Model 600 ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 > Model 8810 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Model 8845 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > Model 8870/M15 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 > Model 8870/1 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 > Model 8870/3 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > Model 8890/10 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 > Model 8890/30 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 > Model 8890/50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 > NNC Electronics--------------------------------------------------- > System 80 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 > System 80W Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 > NorthStar Computers----------------------------------------------- > Advantage 8/16 Z80 w/8088 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Advantage Z80 w/80186 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Horizon 8/16 Z80 w/8088 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > Horizon Z80 w/8088 128K CP/M MICRO 77 > Northern Telecom Terminal Sys.------------------------------------ > 405 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 > 445 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 > 503 8085 256K ?? MICRO 81 > M4120 68000 1MB ?? MICRO 86 > M4121 68000 1MB ?? MICRO 86 > M4122 68000 1MB ?? MICRO 86 > Ohio Scientific--------------------------------------------------- > MasterKey 220 6502 48K OS-65 MICRO 83 > MasterKey 230 6502 52K OS-65 MICRO 82 > MasterKey 250 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 82 > MasterKey 330 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 > MasterKey 350 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 82 > MasterKey 2301 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 > OSI-710 SuperMicro 68010 ?? ?? MICRO 85 > OSI-720 SuperMicro 68010 ?? ?? MICRO 85 > WorkSystem 200 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 84 > WorkSystem 300 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 84 > Olympia USA, Inc.------------------------------------------------- > OPC 6502 52K ?? MICRO 82 > Omni-Source------------------------------------------------------- > OS-26 Z80B 192K ?? MICRO 84 > OS-48 Z80B 192K ?? MICRO 84 > OS-526 Z80B 320K ?? MICRO 84 > OS-548 Z80B 320K ?? MICRO 84 > OS-826 Z80B 320K ?? MICRO 84 > OS-848 Z80B 320K ?? MICRO 84 > Ontel Corp.------------------------------------------------------- > 1505 Z80 w/6502 16K ?? MICRO 83 > 1507 Z80 w/6502 64K ?? MICRO 83 > Amigo Z80 w/6502 64K ?? MICRO 82 > Onyx Systems Inc.------------------------------------------------- > 6810 68000 1MB ?? MICRO 84 > C8001 Z80 256K ?? MICRO 79 > C8002 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 > C8002A ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Sundance 16 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > Sundance ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > Sundance II ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > System 2000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > System 3000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > System 4000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 > Osborne Computer-------------------------------------------------- > Osborne 1 Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 81 > Osborne Executive Z80 128K CP/M PORT. 83 > Vixen Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 84 > OSM Computer Corp.------------------------------------------------ > Zeus 2 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 > Zeus 2-16 Z80 w/8088 320K ?? MICRO 83 > Zeus 3 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 82 > Zeus 3X ?? ?? ?? MICRO 85 > Zeus 4 Z80 w/8088 64K ?? MICRO 83 > Zeus 16 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 > Otrona Corp.------------------------------------------------------ > Attache Z80A 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Panasonic--------------------------------------------------------- > Link HHC 6502 4K ?? MICRO 83 > RL-H 6502 8K ?? MICRO 81 > PCE Systems------------------------------------------------------- > Voyager I ?? ?? ?? MICRO 78 > Voyager II ?? ?? ?? MICRO 78 > Pegasus Data Systems---------------------------------------------- > Peanut Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Pegasus Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Personal Microcomputers, Inc.------------------------------------- > PMC Micromate Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > PMC 80 Z80 16K ?? MICRO 80 > PMC 81 Z80 16K ?? MICRO 81 > PMC 101 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 > Pertec Computer Corp---------------------------------------------- > 2000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 > 3000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > 3200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 > XL50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 > Phoenix Digital Corp.--------------------------------------------- > CPW 09 6809 128K OS-9 MICRO 80 > Optoview 100 6809 128K OS-9 MICRO 80 > Plessy Peripheral Systems----------------------------------------- > System-24 ?? ?? ?? MINI 83 > System-44 ?? ?? ?? MINI 83 > Plexus Computers, Inc.-------------------------------------------- > P/25 68000 512K UNIX ?? 82 > P/35 68000 512K UNIX ?? 82 > Point Four Data--------------------------------------------------- > Mark 3 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 > Mark 5 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 > Mark 8 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 > Polo Microsystems, Inc.------------------------------------------- > Polo System I Z80 w/80188 128K CP/M MICRO 84 > Polymorphic Systems----------------------------------------------- > Model 813 Z80 256K ?? MICRO 77 > Model 8810 Z80 w/80186 256K ?? MICRO 83 > Pragmatic Design-------------------------------------------------- > Inspector 200 Z80 w/80186 128K ?? MICRO 81 > Product Associates------------------------------------------------ > Z Disk I Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Z Disk II Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Z Disk III Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Q1 Corporation---------------------------------------------------- > Microlite II Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Quasar Data Products---------------------------------------------- > QDP-100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > QDP-200 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > QDP-300 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Quasar Company---------------------------------------------------- > HHC 6502 2K ?? ?? 83 > Quasitronics------------------------------------------------------ > Q-5048 Z80 16K ?? MICRO 82 > Quay-------------------------------------------------------------- > 90 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 77 > 500 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > 900 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > 910M ?? ?? CP/M MICRO 82 > Rabbit Computer, Inc.--------------------------------------------- > Wrap Bit II Z80 80K ?? MICRO 83 > Rair Microcomputer Corp.------------------------------------------ > Black Box 3/30 8085 64K ?? MICRO 81 > Black Box 3/50 8085 256K ?? MICRO 82 > Business Computer 8085 w/8088 256K ?? MICRO 82 > Sage Computer Technology------------------------------------------ > Sage II 68000 128K ?? ?? 83 > Sage IV 68000 256K ?? ?? 83 > Sanyo Business Systems Corp.-------------------------------------- > MBC-1000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > MBC-1100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > MBC-1150 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 85 > MBC-1160 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 85 > MBC-1200 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > MBC-1250 Z80 (x2) 64K CP/M MICRO 85 > MBC-2000 8085 64K ?? MICRO 82 > MBC-3000 8085 64K ?? MICRO 82 > MBC-4050 Z80 w/8086 128K ?? MICRO 85 > PHC-20 8085 4K ?? ?? 83 > Scenic Computer Systems------------------------------------------- > Scenic 8085 70K ?? MICRO 81 > Scientific Data Systems------------------------------------------- > 420 6502 32K ?? MICRO 79 > Seattle Computer Products----------------------------------------- > Gazelle I 8086 128K CP/M MICRO 82 > Seequa Computer--------------------------------------------------- > Chameleon Z80 w/8088 128K ?? MICRO 83 > PC Z80 w/8088 128K ?? MICRO 84 > XT Z80 w/8088 256K ?? MICRO 84 > Sharp Electronics------------------------------------------------- > PC-1211 6809 2K ?? ?? 81 > PC-1250A 6809 ?? ?? ?? 84 > PC-1260 6809 4K ?? ?? 84 > PC-1261 6809 10K ?? ?? 84 > PC-1350 6809 5K ?? ?? 84 > PC-1500A 6809 8K ?? ?? 83 > System 100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > System 200 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Sierra Computer Systems------------------------------------------- > CX Workstation 68020 2MB ?? ?? 86 > Sierra National--------------------------------------------------- > 3000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 > 4000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 > Sinclair Research, Ltd.------------------------------------------- > ZX81 Z80A 1K ?? MICRO 85 > SKS Computers----------------------------------------------------- > SKS 1000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Solo Systems------------------------------------------------------ > 1116 Solostation 68000 1MB ?? ?? 84 > Sony Video Communications----------------------------------------- > SMC-70 Z80 w/8086 256K ?? MICRO 82 > Sord Computers, Inc.---------------------------------------------- > IS-11 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 > IS-11C Z80A 80K ?? MICRO 87 > M 23 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 > M 68 Z80 w/68000 256K ?? MICRO 83 > M 68MX 68000 512K ?? MICRO 87 > Southern Computer Systems----------------------------------------- > Series 8000 8088 w/8085 128K ?? MICRO 83 > Sperry Corporation------------------------------------------------ > BC/7-600 Z80 48K ?? MICRO 83 > Mapper 5 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 > Star Technologies, Inc.------------------------------------------- > M1 68000 512K ?? ?? 82 > Ministar 200 68000 512K ?? ?? 81 > Ministar 1200 68000 128K ?? ?? 83 > Nanostar 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 > Stride Micro------------------------------------------------------ > 420 68000 256K ?? ?? 84 > 440 68000 256K ?? ?? 84 > 460 68000 256K ?? ?? 84 > Sumicom, Inc.----------------------------------------------------- > 830 Z80 128K CP/M ?? 83 > Systems Group----------------------------------------------------- > 2900 Z80 128K ?? ?? 81 > ExpressLine 68000 768K ?? ?? 83 > Syzygy------------------------------------------------------------ > Syzygy Computer System Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Tandy Corporation------------------------------------------------- > 4D Micro Z80A 64K ?? MICRO 85 > 102 80C85 32K ?? PORT. 86 > 200 80C85 24K ?? PORT. 85 > 6000 68000 512K ?? MICRO 84 > Color Computer 2 6809E 64K ?? MICRO 84 > Color Computer 3 6809E 128K ?? MICRO 86 > PC-4 Z80 ?? ?? PORT. 83 > PC-5 Z80 ?? ?? PORT. 85 > PC-6 Z80 8K ?? PORT. 86 > Color Computer 6809 16K ?? MICRO 84 > Micro Color Computer 6809 64K ?? MICRO 84 > TRS-80 Model 4P Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 > TRS-80 Model 12 Z80 80K ?? MICRO 83 > TRS-80 Model 16B 68000 w/Z80 256K ?? MICRO 83 > TRS-80 Model 100 Z80 24K ?? MICRO 83 > TRS-80 Model 1000 8088 128K ?? MICRO 85 > TRS-80 Model II Z80 64K ?? MICRO 78 > TRS-80 Model III Z80 64K ?? MICRO 80 > TRS-80 PC-1 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 80 > TRS-80 PC-2 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 82 > Tano Corporation-------------------------------------------------- > AVT-2 6502 64K ?? MICRO 82 > Tarbell Electronics----------------------------------------------- > Empire Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > Rebel Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Televideo Systems, Inc.------------------------------------------- > TPC I Z80 64K CP/M ?? 83 > TS 800 Z80 64K CP/M ?? 86 > TS 802 Z80 64K CP/M ?? 82 > TS 803 Z80 64K CP/M ?? 83 > TS 804 Z80 64K CP/M ?? 83 > TS 806 Z80 64K CP/M ?? 81 > TS 816 Z80 128K CP/M ?? 82 > 3R Computer Products---------------------------------------------- > Avatar TC10 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 > Avatar TC3278 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 > Texas Instruments------------------------------------------------- > 99/2 TMS9900 4K ?? MICRO 83 > 99/4A TMS9900 16K ?? MICRO 83 > 200 TMS9900 64K ?? ?? 83 > 300 TMS9900 128K ?? ?? 83 > 990 TMS9900 2MB ?? ?? 81 > CC 40 TMS9900 6K ?? ?? 83 > Timex Computer---------------------------------------------------- > TS 1000 Z80 1K ?? MICRO 83 > TS 2000 Z80 16K ?? MICRO 83 > Torch Computers--------------------------------------------------- > Model CF110 Z80 w/6502 96K ?? MICRO 82 > Toshiba, Inc.----------------------------------------------------- > EW100 Z80 w/6502 64K ?? MICRO 81 > T100 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 > T200 8085 64K ?? MICRO 81 > T250 8085 64K ?? MICRO 81 > Vector Graphic, Inc.---------------------------------------------- > Vector 4 Z80 w/8088 128K ?? MICRO 83 > Vector 5005E Z80 128K ?? MICRO 82 > Vector 5010E Z80 128K ?? MICRO 82 > Vector 5032E Z80 128K ?? MICRO 82 > Vector SX-2000 Z80 w/8086 128K ?? MICRO 84 > Vector SX-3000 Z80 w/8086 128K ?? MICRO 84 > Vector SX-5000 Z80 w/8086 128K ?? MICRO 84 > Video Technology Computers, Inc.---------------------------------- > Laser 50 Z80 2K ?? PORT. 84 > Laser 128 6502 128K PRODOS8 MICRO 87 > Laser 128EX 65C02 128K PRODOS8 MICRO 87 > Laser 200 6502 4K ?? ?? 83 > Laser 3000 6502 64K ?? ?? 83 > Wicat Systems, Inc.----------------------------------------------- > System 150 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 > System 155 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 > System 160 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 > System 200 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 > System 300 68000 2MB ?? ?? 83 > System 2200 68000 1MB ?? ?? 83 > Xerox Corporation------------------------------------------------- > System 744-I Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 > System 744-II Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 > 16/8 Z80 w/8086 192K ?? MICRO 83 > 820-II Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 > Zeda Computers---------------------------------------------------- > 520 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 > 580A Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 > Zenith Data Systems----------------------------------------------- > Z-89 Z80 48K ?? MICRO 79 > Z-90 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 81 > Z-100 8088 w/8085 192K ?? MICRO 82 > Zilog, Inc.------------------------------------------------------- > System 8000/11 Z8000 512K ?? ?? 83 > System 8000/12 Z8001 512K ?? ?? 84 > System 8000/21 Z8000 512K ?? ?? 83 > System 8000/22 Z8001 512K ?? ?? 84 > System 8000/32 Z8001 512K ?? ?? 84 > ================================================================== >

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by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

> >Yeah, but then people realized a lot of computer geeks make a lot of > >money, and they stopped laughing at them. > > We do? Why wasn't I told???? > > > -Matt Pritchard >

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Basement (Was: Re: yo)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

> ---------- > From: Scott Walde[SMTP:scott@saskatoon.com] > | > Atari ST1024? | Getting warmer... Hmm, must be a 520. | BIG HINT... it's the first 386 built by the company | that, at the time was one of the biggest clone manufacturers around. | There are plenty other (non-clone) machines by the same company in | this picture. Aha - Tandy 4000, right? | There are four machines barely exposed in the lower right corner, | that I don't expect anyone to ID. I'm going out on a limb here... under the PCjr, an IBM PC? And under the Model III... would you have another Model III? Probably not... is it a Model IV? There's another Atari ST box, and something on its side by the Model III that could be a CoCo 1. | There are, however, two very | distinct original boxes. One under the atari, and one under the | middle commodore machine. Under the Atari, an Amiga 500. The box under the PET is an AST PC clone box... Premium 286?

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Contest

by scott＠saskatoon.com

In case you missed it, my basement can be viewed at: http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca/pics/basement.jpg or if you have a crappy old browser that doesn't send "Host:" in the request: http://www.cprompt.sk.ca/scott/pics/basement.jpg I can identify 20 machines (18 unique) in this picture. (Some are in boxes, and of course, I have the high-resolution version by walking around the corner and down the stairs... but anyway...) How many can you identify? For bonus marks if you can identify any peripherals. Email your answers to me at: scott(a)saskatoon.com ttfn srw ------------------------------------------------------------ Walde Techonology http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca Box 7284 finger: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca Saskatoon, SK S7K 4J2 email: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca CANADA email: walde(a)dlcwest.com -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s:+>: a- C++++$ UL++++$ !P L++ E- W+++$ N+ o? K? w$ O- M-- V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP->++ t+ 5 X+ !R tv- b+ DI++++ D+ G e* h r++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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Computers in shot (RE: yo)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

> ---------- > From: Sam Ismail[SMTP:dastar@crl.com] > Starting from the very back, that is either a Commodore 128, Amiga 500 > or > some newer Atari. > Atari ST, you can tell by the monitor. The Amiga 500 is in the box. > The moving on to the far end of the table: Apple ][+ > Or II > Apple //e > Very probable given the monitor > Commodore Pet > CBM 2001 specifically > Commodore CBM Professional Business Computer > Either a CBM 2001 full size keyboard or a 4000 series. > Commodore PET 2001 > Probably an 8000 series > Macintosh (128? 512?) > Impossible to tell the difference visually without looking at the back Plus, the two TRS-80 model I's with expansion interfaces on top of the first two PETs, and some kind of probable microprocessor trainer to the left of the Altair. Kai

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by scott＠saskatoon.com

> > Atari ST1024? Getting warmer... > >The moving on to the far end of the table: Apple ][+, > >Apple //e, Altair 680, Commodore Pet, Commodore CBM Professional Business > >Computer, Commodore PET 2001, Macintosh (128? 512?), IBM PCjr. Then > >below the table: TRS-80 Model III and an Atari box. You'll have to be more careful with the Commodore machines. (You should be able to be more accurate, even without seeing the nameplate.) > You forgot the two dual Commodore PET disk drive units, and the four TRS-80 > single mini-disk units holding up the scope... It's pretty hard to tell the models of drives, they're a 2040 and a 8250. > >Oh, and an oscilliscope (my guess is Tektronix). > > Heathkit? (or an older single channel Tek) There's nothing really classic about the scope. It's a two channel 20Mhz Iwatsu. (No, I've never heard of them before either.) > ...and the PCjr has the later model keyboard... No chicklets??? No, and the monitor doesn't vertical lock. You have to keep playing with the hold knob :-( > ...and one on its side near the left lower third of the pic that I can't > ID... (bad angle) I've never really considered that one a part of my collection, although I think it now officially qualifies for this list. (i.e. 10 years old.) BIG HINT... it's the first 386 built by the company that, at the time was one of the biggest clone manufacturers around. There are plenty other (non-clone) machines by the same company in this picture. There are four machines barely exposed in the lower right corner, that I don't expect anyone to ID. There are, however, two very distinct original boxes. One under the atari, and one under the middle commodore machine. There's also all the stuff sitting on top of the commodore machines. Super bonus marks to anyone who can ID the thing on top of the scope. (No, it's not really computer related.) ttfn srw ------------------------------------------------------------ Walde Techonology http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca Box 7284 finger: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca Saskatoon, SK S7K 4J2 email: scott(a)saskatoon.com CANADA email: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s:+>: a- C++++$ UL++++$ !P L++ E- W+++$ N+ o? K? w$ O- M-- V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP->++ t+ 5 X+ !R tv- b+ DI++++ D+ G e* h r++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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Atari Power Supply

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Was someone looking for an Atari power supply? I have one for the 400/800. Output 9V AC, 31 VA. I don't have any Atari computers left so whoever wants it it's $7 including postage. Greg

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Osborne 1 prices (was: On Generations of People and Computers )

by ronaldm＠mars.ark.com

I have an Apple II Plus, with 4 (count 'em) 4, 128k disk drives, all operational. It also has a 256k RAM card, an 80 col card, and a Super Serial card along with a Microsoft Z80 CP/M card. I don't use it very much these days, except for a bit of record keeping on my video tape collection. Just out of sheer perversity, I'm using Appleworks, which loads itself into the RAM card and seems to operate from there. Also have something called the DAVEX shell, which provides a front end for a number of activities including running Appleworks. Once you get the <ESCAPE-DO THIS-DO-THAT> keys figured out, it works not half bad for my occasional record keeping. It's like most of the stuff I have around here. It came with a literal ton of software, most of which I haven't even taken the time to check out yet. Also has a voice recognition card, and an EPROM burner which are sadly stored away in my lockup. One of these days. So many computers, so little time! -Ron Mitchell ---------- > From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Osborne 1 prices (was: On Generations of People and Computers ) > Date: Saturday, April 26, 1997 12:52 PM > > > > I just swapped a bare II/E for a Bare II. Going price for a bare IIE is about > > > $20 on the Apple newsgroups. Apple II's don't seem to be valued very much in > > > the Apple II newsgroup or for sale group. Tim. (Balance of message snipped)

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by scott＠saskatoon.com

> > OOPS! I have a Motorola-based Altair... (Altair 680) > I recall the ads, now that you mention it -- don't recall ever seeing > one in person. How much are you asking? (Although the SWTPC bus was It's not for sale ;-) If you want to see it, I just put up a .jpg on my website. (No nice link to it yet though...) http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca/pics/altair680.jpg And for anyone's curiosity, one corner of my basement can be seen at: http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca/pics/basement.jpg (How many machines can you identify on this picture?) > considerably superior to the Altair bus -- life is too short to hold > humble opinions.) As far as I can tell, the 680 really didn't have much of a bus at all. (We are talking about an expansion bus, aren't we? Not the mandatory data & address busses.) There are no slots inside. The 680 is considerable smaller than the 8800s. ttfn srw ------------------------------------------------------------ Walde Techonology http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca Box 7284 finger: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca Saskatoon, SK S7K 4J2 email: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca CANADA email: walde(a)dlcwest.com -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s:+>: a- C++++$ UL++++$ !P L++ E- W+++$ N+ o? K? w$ O- M-- V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP->++ t+ 5 X+ !R tv- b+ DI++++ D+ G e* h r++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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Funky looking mouse and other TCF stuff...

by more＠camlaw.rutgers.edu

Hi guys, just wanted to say what I got at TCF. I managed to get there at 3:45 on Sunday (15 minutes before closing on the last day of the show.) Anyway here's what I got: 2 Seagate MFM Hard Drives *FREE* 1 Sysquest tape(?) drive *FREE* the tape drive is about the size of a CD-ROM, what is it? 1 Apple IIe Users Guide *FREE* (why? I dunno, it was in the trash) 1 CBM 8032 $5 (this things got some kind of memory board that plugs into the CPU socket and a parallel interface) 1 Funky Mouse *FREE* This last thing I need help with. It looks to be about 20+ years old but I could be wrong... It is bright red, almost perfectly round, has a steel ball as the roller, 3 black switches, and says "5271" and then "DEPRAZ - MOUSE" on the bottom. It has what looks likea standard serial cable. The guy said it was for a terminal right before he threw it out. Any ideas? More importantly.... do you think I could use it on my PeeCEE? 8) Les PS what'd everyone else get at TCF?

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by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 02-May-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >> This was actually the first machine produced with the name >> TANDY instead of TRS-80. The Model 2000 was the last of >> the TRS-80 line. >No. The Tandy 2000 never had a TRS-80 logo. The 4D was the last >TRS-80 much later on. All of the MS-DOS machines were Tandy, not >TRS-80. Ward, The Model 2000 did carry the TRS-80 logo. The black/silver badge on the front of the machine, which was rotatable in case you put the 2000 upright on it's nifty floor stand, said 'Tandy' on the first line, in a black band, 'TRS-80' on the second in a silver band, and 'Model 2000 Personal Computer' in the third on another black band. This is clearly shown on the front of the 'Tandy Service Manual: Tandy Model 2000 Personal Computer'. I owned one of these machines for a number of years, but sold it when I got caught in the clone upgrade mania. Now I'm working on purchasing another. Also, I aquired an Atari XE System today, with the optional keyboard, along with two 1050 disk drives. Cute little machine, and includes the light gun. Anyone in need of a 1050 disk drive for an Atari 8bit? I don't need both, and don't have a PSU to test either out with. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, and Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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Atari prob, etc.

by idavis＠comland.com

At 04:01 PM 4/29/97 -0400, Roger Merchberger wrote: >Nope. Sorry about this, but I used to work for RS and I have an Atari >800... (sorry... no spare power supplies) and I can honestly say that I >doubt you will find any power supply from there that puts out AC. The only >machine that I can remember (and I remember most) from RS that took an AC >wart was the Tandy MC-10 (micro color computer), which took 8VAC at 1A >IIRC. You can't even get this PS from RS anymore, and it was for their own >computer! > >Sadly, if it ain't DC, RS won't have one... > >One thing I would be willing to do (when I have time, which won't be for at >least a month) is to open one of my PS's for an exact schematic & parts >list to build your own. I do know all the parts to build an AC PS are >available at the Shack... not sure of cost, of course. > >Lemme know if you want me to do this, and remind me in a couple of months >that I volunteered to perform said surgery. > That's a shocker for me. I think I need to learn a little more about electronics, and if you tear yours apart, I would love to have a copy of the schematics. It might be a good learners project for me, and useful as well. >On this note... I do know that there is a *lot* of software on the Web for >8-bits, but does anyone know where I can find a utility to read/write SSSD >Atari disks on my IBM? I do know that the extended density stuff is just >not possible on PeeCee's, but SD should be possible. At http://www.emulators.com the now have the schematics for their xformer cable on the web site, which should work with their xformer software, there is also a product called ape which is at http://www.nacs.net/~classics which allows you to connect your atari to a pc. They also have schematics and a program to run an atari disk with a pc, to copy and create disks. I have read a lot of flap about incompatibilities writing disks back and forth between the two types of drives. Of course, you could get a black box or an atr8000 and I think that would allow you to use a pc floppy with your atari. I have actually never tried any of these, I just use a null modem cable and transfer the software back and forth. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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ethernet and apple2GS

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

As those of you who follow the comp.sys.apple2 groups know, there never was an ethernet board for the apple2, and the one that apple designed for the 2gs never went into large scale production. This annoys me, since the gs is certainly capable of running network applications - it comes >from the factory with appletalk/localtalk. So I've been thinking about this problem for a while. Before I go into my "solution", I should mention that I'm in no way an electronic engineer, and the odds of my even attempting to do this on my own, let alone succeeding, aren't very good. But it seemed like an idea at least worth sharing, on the grounds that maybe one of you who IS an engineer could make some bucks inventing this thing. My idea is this: build an ethernet board for the apple2 series with the following parameters: 1. it looks to the system exactly like a localtalk board, only faster. 2. it has enough brains to analyze outgoing frames to see if, in fact, what is being sent is ip encapsulated in appletalk. If so, de-encapsulate it and transmit it as straight IP. - this is a software issue, really, but it needs to happen in the firmware of the ethernet board, so... 3. It has enough brains to analyze incoming frames and determine if in fact the frame is an IP frame. If so, encapsulate it in appletalk and feed it to the system. 4. It has a way of turning all this brainpower off and being driven with a normal ethernet driver running on the host system. 5. It can do any translation between appletalk and ethertalk so the machine can talk to it's Macintosh kin. My reasoning for all the shenanigans with appletalk and ip is this: no standard mechanism exists for talking to an ethernet board in an apple2. However, the GS comes with atalk drivers in rom, and you can get them for earlier apples, and a lot of software does do tcp-ip over appletalk, assuming it's going to be talking to an appletalk/IP router downstream. Caviets: I haven't looked at the appletalk/ethertalk/localtalk protocol to make sure what I'm suggesting is sane. Same goes for tcp-ip over appletalk. There's a standard for this stuff, but I haven't looked it up yet. Anyway, that's my idea. Feedback will be greatly appreciated. -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com -- By Caffeine alone my mind is set in motion. Through beans of java thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes. The shakes become a warning - I am in control of my addiction! By Caffeine alone my mind is set in motion. Adapted from the Mentat chant of _Dune_

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Non-micro classics

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

In the lengthy "Re: yo" thread, Mr. Ismail mentions: [double-quote from Mr. Donzelli] > > PDP-8, PDP-11, IBM S/3xx, Nova, etc. Computers were not invented in 1974, > > guys. > > Yes, I realized that. The PDP-8 and PDP-11 are definitely worthy of > mention, but did they really make the impact and have significance equal > to the Altair and the others? I'm sure you could argue to that effect. > Care to? It's probably fair to say the the minicomputer actually made more of an impact in society than the micro has. It was the minicomputer which was first affordable to smaller companies and operations; the mini was also the first class of machine available to schools of modest means. You'll find that almost every microcomputer designer was, at some point in time, touched by a mini, and sometimes their designs reflect that. One of the original Apple's designers actually held the DG Nova in such high esteem it's rumoured that he kept a picture of one taped to his bedroom wall. Billy Gates did the original work on his BASIC interpreter with stolen time on a PDP-10 (though, that can't really be termed a mini). Most of the impact, though, of the mini is behind the scenes; they made manufacturing more efficient through the increased use of CNC, made scientific experimentation more prodcutive through more accurate experiment monitoring, and found their way into all manner of hospital equipment. This isn't meant to downplay the changes brought forth by the microcomputer, which with the advent of the Internet are enormous, but merely to place the minicomputer in the light of day. The changes were different from the micro, but certainly not unimportant. ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum/ | ICBM: N42:21 W71:46 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

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Questions about this mailling list

by mhop＠snip.net

How do I change back to the way I had it before where the mail would arrive separately rather than 40 in one message? Are they really the same messages? When I subscribed to the weekly thing, it seemed that the message thread had completely changed. mhop(a)snip.net

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Atari prob, etc.

by idavis＠comland.com

At 09:07 PM 4/27/97 -0800, Larry Anderson & Diane Hare wrote: >The 1200XL is a different matter, Powered up, got the logo, went to >diagnostics, sound O.K., Memory looks good, but keyboard... I can get >the top row (reset,start,select,option, & help) working but the other >keys seem dead. The strange thing is I gboot up BASIC and I press a >letter and the computer responds with it's 'click' sound but no key >(maybe something in the decoding logic???) Any Atarians got a clue? > >Since I only have the one power supply I had to power up the 1050 as a >standalone the head did a quick back-fourth motion and the activity >light stopped so that seems to be a promising sign. Second request: >When I get a second supply I gonna kinda need a disk to run on this >thing, can anyone help set me up with some essential disks (DOS, >utilities, maybe some common games, etc.) I can trade for some fine >Commodore Programs and such. (=)) > I can't really tell you about the 1200XL, but it might have a connector loose or not making a good connection inside. You might take it apart and reseat the keyboard connector or ribbon whichever it may be. As for power supplies, you should be able to get an equivalent power supply at radio shack. Just bring the atari one in, and they should be able to match it. I can ship off a couple of disks to you with DOS, and a few games. I will check out your web page for your address, but if it's not there, just let me know where to send the disks. There is a guy here in Austin, that has a lot of atari software for sale at really great prices. His name is Rick Detlefsen and his email address is 74766.1561(a)CompuServe.COM I have bought some software and an 850 interface from him, and his prices are great. I think I paid $0.60 for a Robotron cart from him, and it even had the box and manual. I will put together a few disks with some stuff on it, and send them to you. Hope this helps. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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by scott＠saskatoon.com

> > How about Chuck Peddle? > > Who? (please explain!) Chuck Peddle, while working at Motorola, was on the design team for the 6800. He and a number of other engineers on the team had a number of enhancements that they wanted to make to the chip, but the higher-ups wouldn't let them. They left Motorola to form MOS Technology, and developed the 6502 line of CPUS. When Commodore decided to get into the Personal Computer market, they bought MOS. One theory is that they primarily wanted Peddle. Chuck went on to design the early Commodore machines. (I'm not sure how involved he was in the Kim-1, but he almost singlehandedly designed the first PETs.) This is mostly off the top of my head. If I made any glaring errors (or minor ones, for that matter), please let me know. (If you do an Alta-vista search for +commodore +"chuck peddle" you will get around 40 pages with info on him.) > Sam ttfn srw ------------------------------------------------------------ Walde Techonology http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca Box 7284 finger: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca Saskatoon, SK S7K 4J2 email: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca CANADA email: walde(a)dlcwest.com -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s:+>: a- C++++$ UL++++$ !P L++ E- W+++$ N+ o? K? w$ O- M-- V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP->++ t+ 5 X+ !R tv- b+ DI++++ D+ G e* h r++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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TI 99 & a good weekend

by BigLouS＠aol.com

I managed to pick up a beige, all plastic TI 99/A this weekend and if I remember prior posts this is an uncommon version of this machine. I also saw what looked like the standard black and chrome machine except that it had no chrome at all. Did TI ever make such a machine or is it a standard machine that was mutilated by some brute? I also picked up a Commodore SX64 and a Franklin Ace 1000 (a sentimental favorite of mine) as well as a CoCo floppy drive and interface cartridge. It was a great weekend. Lou

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Sharp MZ-800

by walgen＠do.isst.fhg.de

-----Original Message----- From: Krzysztof Strzecha [SMTP:strzecha@kis.p.lodz.pl] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 12:29 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Sharp MZ-800 >Hi all ! > > I recently bought SHARP MZ-800 with no documentation, either programs etc. > Could anyone help me find any information & programs for it ? I have a MZ-800 with 2x5.25"-Disk, manual and service-docs. I also have a working boot-disk. Tell me what you need ... You can also contact: Nobuaki Ohishi at GFB00551(a)niftyserve.or.jp he knows everything about MZs. There are some WWW-pages at http://may.csse.muroran-it.ac.jp/~ogawa/MZMuseum/

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Sharp MZ-800

by strzecha＠kis.p.lodz.pl

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PET to S100 bus interface

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

I'd just like to make an update for all who may be interested in that potential PET to S100 bus device that I had sitting in storage. I pulled it out tonight instead of studying for exams, and it is indeed what was suspected. The "motherboard" (if that is the correct term) is a Vector Graphic Inc. S100 bus board. The RAM board that was being used for the PET, is a Vector Graphic Inc. 16K Static RAM board with a date of 1977 on it. The power supply says "KIMSI-PLUS Power Supply" on the back, 1977 from Forethought Products. This is all very wild, because I had no idea there was S100 stuff in this house. Anyway, the really interesting piece of circuitry is the PET to S100 interface board. It's the same size as the RAM board, and of course plugs into the S100 bus. At the top of the board is a 50-pin connector that plugs into a cable, that in turn plugs into the side memory expansion connector on the PET 2001. In white lettering, it says .----------. |_| | | |_|| | | |_| | || (<-- my cheezy attempt at duplicating the company .----------' logo with ASCII, it's HUH surrounded by a question .ELECTRONICS mark.) S100 MPA and etched into the board it says "COPYRIGHT 1978 BY HUH" and "S100 MPA REV A". The board isn't very heavily populated, compared to the RAM board, and most of the chips are 74LSxx chips. Anyone out there know more than I do about this thing? Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

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by scott＠saskatoon.com

> *** Preliminary Announcement *** > > First Annual Classic Computer Collector Conference Sounds like fun. > Classic Computer Pioneer - every year an > Nominees: Gary Kildall, creator of > CP/M; Steve Wozniak; ??? How about Chuck Peddle? ------------------------------------------------------------ Walde Techonology http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca Box 7284 finger: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca Saskatoon, SK S7K 4J2 email: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca CANADA email: walde(a)dlcwest.com -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s:+>: a- C++++$ UL++++$ !P L++ E- W+++$ N+ o? K? w$ O- M-- V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP->++ t+ 5 X+ !R tv- b+ DI++++ D+ G e* h r++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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BBSes on old hardware and SuperVIC

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| ---------- | From: Doug Spence[SMTP:ds_spenc@alcor.concordia.ca] | Actually, I also want to build a kind of "SuperVIC" machine. I want it to | ba a luggable like my TeleVideo or Kaypro II Um, isn't that a Commodore SX-64? Kai

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emulator board help

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Whilst in a self-induced trance, hellige happened to blather: >On 28-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: > >>I seem to recall that Definicon made coprocessor boards (68000 series, and >>maybe 32016 series as well) for PC's. You rean special language compilers >>on the PC that converted your high-level source into machine code for the >>68000 or whatever, and ran it on the coprocessor board > > What would be the point in doing this though, if the board didn't emulate a >specific 68000 series computer? Jeff, It's way past my bedtime, but I just had to comment on this post... Believe it or not, the board doesn't have to emulate a specific 68K computer... it *is* a specific 68K computer! The board quite possibly was a system that would just use the PeeCee's hard/floppy/parallel/serial (etc.) ports and would run OS-9/68K or another viable 68K operating system of the day (Xenix?). This in itself is not new... shortly after the IBM-PC came out there was a 68000 board for it that ran OS-9. Remember, the 68K was first, and by then already had several super-powerful (compared to MS-Dog) OS's available for the platform. I have a review of one in an old copy of Byte laying around somewhere around here. BTW, put away the asbestos... it's not a flame! I'm just tired (& cranky) and don't have a bad case of run-on fingers like usual! See ya, "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* zmerch(a)northernway.net | be your first career choice.

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Software database for you collector-types

by marcw＠lightside.com

Howdy, I just thought of something. Are any of you using a database to catalogue what software you use/have for these old machines? I've got a database that came on a Big Blue Disk back around '88 called Software Indexer. It's small and all but has some nice features including cascading menus with a lot of pre-defined categories. These can be edited/deleted/added to. There's not much data entry because of the menus/pick-lists. Once you type in the name of the program everything else is a matter of choosing what's there except for the comments field. Here's examples that may interest you (jeez I sound like I'm spamming a new product here). Example/sample of menu selections: System Macintosh MFS (Old format) HFS (Current format) Lisa Office System Apple II Series Apple ProDOS 8 Apple ProDOS 16 Apple DOS 3.3 Apple DOS 3.2 Apple CP/M Apple Pascal Apple GEOS Apple /// (SOS) CP/M CP/M-80 CP/M-86 CP/M-68K Orphan Machines Timex/Sinclair TI 99/4 TI Professional Osborne Exidy Sorcerer CompuColor 2 SOL-20 Ohio Scientific Altair Cromemco Mainframes DecSystem-10/PDP-10 DecSystem-20 RSTS Multics Minicomputers IBM System 34/36 DEC VAX (VMS) PDP-11 Video Game Systems Atari VCS (2600) Atari 5200 Atari 7800 ColecoVision Magnavox Odyssey 2 Sega Master System (more) Medium 5.25" floppy Double-density High-density Single-sided "Flippy" 8" floppy "Twiggy" (old Lisa) And all the other stuff. Atari's, Amiga's, Commodore's, Intel x86, etc. Other categories/menus are Distribution & Category. All customizable 'til you run out of menu space (easy to do). Anyhind, if anyone's interested I can zip it up and send it to whoever's interested. It is/was shareware. I used to get Big Blue Disk but don't remember if I got this from there or from a BBS way back when. Marc -- >> ANIME SENSHI << Marc D. Williams marcw(a)lightside.com (finger at: marcw(a)mail.lightside.com) marc.williams(a)mb.fidonet.org http://www.agate.net/~tvdog/internet.html

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Osborne 1 prices (was: On Generations of People and Computers )

by BigLouS＠aol.com

> A guy at my > work is supposed to give me his, which he says is a ][, but he's not > always all there, so it could just be a ][+. But I would say a ][ is > probably worth about $100 with some accessories, like a disk drive and > monitor and the language card. I just swapped a bare II/E for a Bare II. Going price for a bare IIE is about $20 on the Apple newsgroups. Apple II's don't seem to be valued very much in the Apple II newsgroup or for sale group. Lou

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Osborne 1 prices (was: On Generations of People and Computers )

by BigLouS＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-04-26 20:44:04 EDT, you write: > I also remember seeing Apple III's and Atari 800's on sale at Weinstock's. > There was a strange time for a while in the late 70's and early 80's when > many department stores had a "computer department". This was the case > in Sacramento, was it like that in other cities? > > --pec > Yes Macy's in New York had a computer section in its electronic's department. Lou

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Regular Posting: FAQ

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

ClassicCmp - The Classic Computers Discussion List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) v1.0 1.1 What is ClassicCmp? 1.2 Why is ClassicCmp? 1.3 What's a Classic Computer? 1.4 Who runs this thing? 1.5 Don't you know you're duplicating what others have done? 2.1 What can I talk about? 2.2 Can I talk about PCs? 2.3 Can I talk about Mini/MainFrames? 2.4 Can I post advertisments? 2.5 Can I ask people to give me their computers? 2.6 Can I ask for help fixing item x? 2.7 Where should I look before posting a dumb question? 3.1 How many subscribers are there? 3.2 How many subscribers use machine x? 4.1 Does ClassicCmp have a Web Site? 4.2 How come the Web Site is so ugly? 5.1 Where can I find Classic Computers? 5.2 How much is machine x worth? 5.3 Will 1000's of innocent machines be scrapped if I don't save them? 1.1 What is ClassicCmp? It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center on collection (just hoarding), restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. 1.2 Why is ClassicCmp? Uh, why not? There are lots of people who love these old machines and it seems like a fun idea to get together and talk about them. 1.3 What is a Classic Computer? Any computer that has not been manufactured for 10 years is a classic. This definition is one I made up and it's entirely arbitrary. It seems to work OK, so I've kept it. 1.4 Who runs this thing? That would be me, Bill Whitson. I'm a network administrator at the University of Washington. This is one of my hobbies and I got tired of waiting for someone else to create a list like this. I can be reached at bcw(a)u.washington.edu. 1.5 Do you know you're just duplicating work other people have done. Damn straight. That's what the internet's all about. 2.1 What can I talk about? Anything related to classic computers as defined above. There are many people on this list that really know what they're talking about, so you might want to check facts before you start shooting off messages. 2.2 Can I talk about PCs? Yes. PCs which haven't been manufactured for 10 years. Even then be aware that in many cases you would get a better response posting to PC newsgroups. 2.3 Can I talk about Minis/MainFrames? Yep. Lots of bulky computer folks here. 2.4 Can I post advertisements? Sure. As long as they're related to _classic_ computers. And, of course, use your brain - don't post repeatedly. 2.5 Can I ask people to sell/give me their computers? Sure. But you're not likely to get a very nice response. Mine, for example, would be: Get your own f***ing computer! There are several people on usenet who will vouch for this. 2.6 Can I ask for help fixing item x. Yes. Be aware that it may be difficult to help you fix things if you don't have much knowledge of how computers work or of how to use basic electronics tools (DMM, soldering iron, EPROM burner, etc). 2.7 Where can I look before posting a dumb question? It might be a good idea to take a look at what's available in the Archive section of the ClassicCmp web site (see below). 3.1 How many subscribers are there? Around 200, fluxing daily. 3.2 How many subscribers use machine x? Don't bother asking me. If you really want to know go ahead and post to the list. I really don't know what having a number will do for you... 4.1 Does ClassicCmp have a web site? Yep. http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw/ccl.html 4.2 How come the web site is so ugly? How come a PET is so ugly? Who cares as long as it works? 5.1 Where can I find classic computers? The best places seem to be thrift stores and swap meets. These are closely followed by pawn shops and mom and pop computer stores. The holy grails are electronics scrap yards - but they tend to be wary of individual pick-and-choosers. Oh yeah - garage sales! 5.2 How much is machine x worth? Precisely as much as you'll pay for it. Oh, you're selling it? Then , precisely as much as I'll pay for it. 5.3 Will 1000's of innocent machines be scrapped if I don't save them? Yes. This is the impetus behind every collectors tireless and selfless effort. Each machine we fail to save has it's gold parts mercilessly hacked off and sold (just like rhino horns - and look at the rhinos). The remainder is then sent to China to be made into bicycle spokes. Save a computer! Act now! Remind you wife of the rhino and cuter, furrier animals. It might work.

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BBSes running on old computers...

by haleyk＠okstate.edu

The IEEE student group that I belong to here at Oklahoma State just ran across an old z-80 based machine called a paraDynamics PRONTO. It seems to be a CP/M machine (we have a box of floppies for the twin 8" drives, and some are marked CP/M 86 and Microsoft Basic, etc.) The guy who was gonna chunk it in the trash said it had a USRobotics 1200 Baud modem and a 20 Meg HD along with 64K or RAM. He threw in a VT and soon as we can jumper around the rusty keyswitch, we hope to get some type of neat program to run on it for the heck of it, we threw around the idea of a BBS (albeit a slow one) possibly written in the BASIC that came with the machine. Has anyone used such a machine? Lets definately keep up the thread on BBSes and if we write it in a 4gl language, maybe a second list can be set up for the distribution of source code. BTW: we also got an IBM 5130.... It boots on a READY prompt, but we have NO CLUE what to do with it! We think the printer could be used as a boat anchor. hasta scott

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PETS & Used Books

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 07:38:21 -0400 (EDT) > From: Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca> > There used to be a copy of Osborne's "PET/CBM Personal Computer Guide" > around here someplace, but I suspect my brother took it with him when he > moved out, even though he's a C64 man. (Darn!) I really need to find a > good shop with old computer books in it. All of the second-hand > bookstores I've been to specifically state that they don't keep computer > books or magazines older than 5 years (or so) old. :/ The Osborne is a good reference, but there are more indepth books, such as Programming the PET/CBM and PET Revealed. Pity about the stores, I too have noticed that, and if the owners of said store don't have any clue about computers they usually opt not to take any computer books (they probably got burned with a bunch of punch-card computer text books years back...) > Interesting. I performed the piggyback RAM hack on my Amiga 1000 (back > when it was worth real money) and that seems to still be holding up. No this was not an expansion job, this was a direct piggy back of chips, no bending out pins here, like I said it was a pretty stupid thing, that never stopped him. > BTW: Who here thinks I'm crazy for wanting to run an "old-time BBS" off a > VIC-20? Who here thinks it's impossible? :) Heck I have been and still am sysop a Commodore 64 BBS for ten years now. If you want some BASIC BBS programs to start with (written for 64, but I'm sure can be easily modified for VIC) I know I have some archived here...somewhere. > (music program)in BASIC, based on the Cursor #4 tape's cover program. I found copies of these > things in my brother's cassette collection (I was still in elementary > school at the time the PETs were in use). Hey brother, could you spare a copy for a friend in need? <wink wink, nudge, nugde> I'll even supply you with a tape-to-disk program for the 64 that will make the transfer a snap! > Too bad I couldn't find the cassette with the > professional music software on it (I forget what it's called) that lets > you compose the music on the staff on the screen, and that scrolls the > music as it plays. It's really impressive for an 8K machine! I remember an ad about one that AB computers was selling I can't remember it's name either. (maestro maybe?) > ...the old 8K here with the miniature multicoloured > keyboard (love that thing!) Sure is nice, I got mine (original PET) from a friend including ALOT of the original documentation, an extra tape drive (Commodore was butchering SANYO tape recorders to begin with), some newsletters (that later turned into popular magazines) and tapes, a splendid addition! I worry about it though, I'm not sure whether it has ROMs or EPROMS, whatever they are they are the original (you know those thin white DIP packages.) >It was, after all, an abused school machine, and the lid wasn't screwed down. (The > sockets in that particular machine are so bad there's no point in screwing > the lid down! Having to re-seat chips is a regular occurrence.) Most of mine are school machines, they sure take a lickin though, the ROM seating problem is common. I have read of people sugessting to replace them with quality drilled sockets. (maybe one of these years...) > So I guess Commodore stopped drilling holes in motherboards to prevent > upgrade? :) Nope, Finally got one with a hole drilled (never heard about it before that) I think it was later in the line that they started. I guess they wanted to make darn sure that if someone bought a 4016 at a discount that was only what they were gonna get. > Assuming all these chips are the same, this was a 16K RAM board. This'd > be nice to get running. I would have thought it to be more. :/ > (How would one test a capacitor to see if it's OK?) No idea from me, anyone? (on possibility of it being a Visible Memory Board) > Oooh... I wish. :) I didn't think you could even get such a thing for a > 2001, I thought graphics boards were the domain of the 8032 and like > systems. No idea why I'd think there'd be such limitations on one PET and > not on another, though. :) Actually one of my PETs has one (I used it in high school), the graphics could overlay the PET character screen too! Unfortunately the PET had a mother board replacement and the jumpers are now wrong, and I'm without docs, so it is not fully functional. Pitty I got a great Space War done like Star Trek game for it. From an ad I still do have, the MTU Visible Mmory Board was deveoped for the KIM-1 and then adapted for the PET, so it's been around for a while. Same for the sound board, it mentions Hal Chamberlin developing it for the KIM originally too (want a copy of the ad for collection sake?) > BTW, there's also another piece of bizarre PET expansion around the house > somewhere... Another 16K of expansion, actually. That's what those large > music files were created with. But the thing is HUGE and it consists of > exposed circuit boards, so I didn't particularly want to use it in its > current state. [clip] > > This strange contraption wouldn't be some kind of interface between the > PET and an S100 bus, would it? (THAT would be cool!) How would I know an > S100 bus if I saw one? :) You never know, there was alot of neat things out for the PET, color boards, Hi-Res, Disk Drive Multiplexers, UPS systems, Networking units, etc. ---------- > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:04:08 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Starling" <starling(a)umr.edu> > I've found that one of the best sources for old computer books and > magazines is often overlooked... the LIBRARY. Most public libraries have > a nice collection of books on old personal computers from the 1st wave of > PC popularity (early 80s). I remember donating a Peoples Computer Company Games Book to them after a few years they discarded it (probably sold it at a book sale), gosh, I wish I had gotten it back. :/ Not all libraries keep their older computer books. *sigh* > However, if you're looking to own the books or magazines, this doesn't > help. But if you're just looking for info or wanting to get some kicks > by reading old stuff, your local public or university library is a great > place to start. University microfilm - http://www.umi.com/ has several older (70s-80s, yeah, and 90s too...) computer magazines in film still available, prices are too steep for me presently but I may someday purchase some sets. --------- > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:43:29 -0400 > From: Glenn Roberts <groberts(a)mitre.org> > so stop in at your local library's book > sale booth and you might pick up a classic or two. > Unfortunately for the local library the good books are almost all gone. :( Thrift store bookshelves and flea markets have been really good to me lately though. ------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 05:38:35 +0500 > From: hellige <jeffh(a)eleventh.com> > Subject: Re: PETS & the Silly Game > There are 4 BBS's locally running on the C-64 using the 'Color-64' BBS > program. Of course, they're mainly geared towards the Commodore crowd and the > C-64, but they are quite interesting. One of them is the official board of > the local Commodore 64/128 user group. Many of them (commodore BBSs) are networked now, my board (which runs Image BBS) belongs to a network of 60 or so boards. In just a couple years the BBS program it runs will be eligible for discussion! ------------------------ > From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> > Subject: Re: PETS & the Silly Game > Don't worry. It just adds character to the machine. You can just say > some "unknown" hacker made the mod if anyone asks. And don't forget to > mention it adds character to the machine. I myself think you should take credit for the mod, since many of the 'card jockys' today don't know which end of a soldering iron is the business end. I've got a 64 with a second SID hack (not by me but paid by me), I am proud of that machine. Larry Anderson

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PETS & the Silly Game

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 07:21:01 -0400 (EDT) > From: Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca> > To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Subject: PET stuff > Does anyone out there know much about the old PET 2001 machines? I know pretty much PET software & usage, and have a bunch of good books to help me on other aspects... ;) > I received a PET a couple of years ago, in which all of the 6550 SRAMs > were fried. I replaced them with the chips from another PET 2001 (one > with the miniature keyboard, from 1977) and the system worked fine. > Does anyone know how all of the memory chips could've been killed? > I tried them in various patterns in the sockets, and it does seem as if > all 16 of them are fried. Never heard of that, but I did have a friend who tried expanding PET memory by piggybacking RAM chips ; that fried his... (beware, he's still out there...) > Anyway, is it still possible to get 6550s anywhere? And if not, is there > a replacement that could be used? MOS technologies found out they wern't good RAM manufacturers, the comptible and available chip number you seek is 2114. Which I have found in a Jameco Catalog (415-592-8097) > Even better: Can I simply replace the 6550s with another type of chip and > get more RAM in the system? Most of my software works in 8K, but I do > have some music files that require more. (I have one of those external > music boards that plugs into the cassette2 and user ports, that delivers > four voices.) Wow! An MTU sound board! Got to hear a demonstration of it some 15 years ago, pretty nice sound! One of these days I might come across one of 'em for my own. Back to RAM, from the next paragraph I would say that you can add via that expansion board. But just in case I'm mistaken, here is something I found in Nick Hampshire's PET Revealed: ... The old 8K machines used 4K bit static RAMs, these were one of two types the 6550 and the 2114. Both these chips are functionally indentical in most respects since they are organised as 1K by 4 bits. The latest versions of the static RAM 8K machines used the 6550.... ... The new 32K and 16K dynamic RAM machines use the 4116 memory chip and the dynamic 8K the 4108. These two RAM chips are pin compatable, with the 4116 having 16K bits of memory and the 4108 8K bits. This is useful since it allows the same circuit board to be used for all sizes of machine. Memory on the 16 and 32K machines is organised as two banks each of 16K bytes, only one bank being implemented in the 16K.... > Now, another question. With that same PET, came an expansion board of > some kind. Its like a daughterboard, physically mounted on posts above > the motherboard, but connected via the memory expansion connector on the > side. > > It appears (yes) to be a memory board, with 16 RAM chips on it. At least, > they look like they could be RAM chips, judging by the traces on the > board. However, I've never seen RAM chips with gold contacts and gold > plates on their backs before, as six of these chips have, so I'm wondering > if this could be more than just a memory board. Sounds like an Expandamem or ExpandaPET to me, I have the docs for it, I think it has schematics and stuff. Mine have the same chips too, look like tiny ROMs or EPROMs.. > The board is dead, BTW. The PET won't operate with the board plugged in. > It just comes up with a screenful of garbage characters. [clip] > Both connectors on the cable that leads from the expansion board to the > motherboard are noticeably burnt. In both cases, the burn marks surround > the pin that connects to the black wire. OUCH!!!! That's gotta hurt... Hope you figure out what did that. > > The only identifying mark on the board is the text: > R 3014 > rev. > C > COPYRIGHT 1978 R.C.Factor My ExpandaPET book has (c) 1979 Computhink (yours could be an earlier version?), also my board has four breadboard (edgecard) sockets to add devices like disk drive controller cards and the like. > Does anyone have any better guesses than me as to its function? (Can the > edge connector on the side of the PET be used for anything other than RAM > expansion?) The only other thing I could think of it being (if it had a patch into the monitor connector) would be a Visible Memory (hi-res graphics) board. But I doubt that. Let me know If you want a copy of the documentation I have for my board to see if it will help. > Doug Spence > ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca > ------------------------------ > > On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Sam Ismail wrote: > > > > > Hey, let's have a contest. Let's see who can score the best lot of > > > classic computers this weekend. We can score each other based on the > > > type and age of the computers/software/accessories we got, then tally up > > > the points and whoever has the highest score gets a pat on the back. > What I bought: Atari 1200 XL, 1050 Disk Drive, and Supra Atari 300 baud modem (all sans power supplies *sigh*) for $15 at a flea market (need power supplies to test them still), and a (working!) Apple ImageWriter II for $14.95 at a thrift shop. Software. What I passed up: 2 CoCo 3s (bare), one for $15 one unknown 1 CoCo dual 5.25" Disk Drive price unknown 1 black/silver TI 99/4a (bare) $10 1 Atari 800 (bare, but had BASIC cart inside) $10 Plus/4, C-64, an MPS 801, tons of IBM clones didn't bother pricing. Oh! Last week I happend upon a Panasonic MSX unit! Looked interesting, unfortunately the guy couldn't sell it cause 'they haven't decided how much to price it' (hence it would probably be expensive), sure looked neat, had alot of I/O and noted a switch to change tape baud rates. (they had the tape program/books already out on the floor just waiting for kids to tear them apart.) Larry Anderson -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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PETS & the Silly Game

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 24-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >BTW: Who here thinks I'm crazy for wanting to run an "old-time BBS" off a >VIC-20? Who here thinks it's impossible? :) Doug, There are 4 BBS's locally running on the C-64 using the 'Color-64' BBS program. Of course, they're mainly geared towards the Commodore crowd and the C-64, but they are quite interesting. One of them is the official board of the local Commodore 64/128 user group. It still shows people are still running BBS's using the older hardware though! Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, and Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128, C128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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emulator board help

by KFergason＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-04-27 21:51:43 EDT, you write: << What would be the point in doing this though, if the board didn't emulate a specific 68000 series computer? >> It was designed for number crunching. It was much faster than Microsoft Fortran on an 8088, or the 80286. Kelly

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Atari prob, etc.

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Had a huge success at a local thrift store this saturday, much of it is components < 10 years old. But I did find a Power Supply for an Atari Computer (Ihave aquired an 800, 1200xk and 1050 all sans Power Supplies). Soooo.. today I hooked the buggers in one by one: The 800, powered up like a champ! Got the Atari FAQs up and determined I have an 800 with a GITA and the BASIC cartridge is Revision A. The 1200XL is a different matter, Powered up, got the logo, went to diagnostics, sound O.K., Memory looks good, but keyboard... I can get the top row (reset,start,select,option, & help) working but the other keys seem dead. The strange thing is I gboot up BASIC and I press a letter and the computer responds with it's 'click' sound but no key (maybe something in the decoding logic???) Any Atarians got a clue? Since I only have the one power supply I had to power up the 1050 as a standalone the head did a quick back-fourth motion and the activity light stopped so that seems to be a promising sign. Second request: When I get a second supply I gonna kinda need a disk to run on this thing, can anyone help set me up with some essential disks (DOS, utilities, maybe some common games, etc.) I can trade for some fine Commodore Programs and such. (=)) One yard sale find was a batch of Radio Electronics Magazines, dated back in the 80s... Will have to scan through those closely. At first I thought I'd just weed out the ones I wanted and pass on the rest, but I've made that mistake once before.... They will go into storage. Yet another yard sale purchase was a 64 system (I dare not count how many I have), so far so good, the C64 and power supply are fully functional and the keyboard is amazingly clean (i.e. all the keys work, even though It looks like someone tracked mud on the computer). I still have to test the monitor and 1541, but I feel confident they will function. -- >From: Paul E Coad <pcoad(a)crl.com> >Subject: weekend additions >I picked up some good stuff today. Here is the haul: >One nearly mint copy of "More BASIC Computer Games" by David Ahl. >One "The Best of Creative Computing V.3" by Ahl and Green. >One boxed copy of Adventure for HP 150 and HP 110. (yes, THAT >adventure). >One boxed Commodore Plus/4. >One Sun type 4 keyboard and mouse (not yet classic, but good none the >>less). >Total: $11.00 Good haul! I would've paid that much for that Creative Computing book. >I have a few questions: >Can the Plus/4 run C64 software? BASIC, pretty much so, except if there are POKEs and SYS commands in it it may need some converting, some BASIC may not be easy or possible mainly if there is sprite or sound usage as those chips are VERY different then on the 64. There are some good FTP sites for the Plus/4, just make sure when you download games and demos they are NTSC and not PAL, (PAL graphics are unviewable on an NTSC Plus/4), there are game conversions available (Jim Hehl is probably the most noted for converting programs 64 and Plus/4 european to the American Plus/4 platform). This reminds me I really need to get the adapter pinouts of the Joysticks and the Cassette port on my web page. (whisper.. "if you write it they will browse...") >In the user's manual there is a picture of a 1541 disk drive which looked >black. It was a black and white picture, but the 1541s that I have seen >all match the color scheme of the C64. Has anyone seen a black 1541? Not me, though you can tell Commodore was toying with the idea (on the Plus/4, C-16, MPS-803, DPS-1101, and the 1531 datasette for the Plus/4/16) It could have been the rare Commodore 1551 disk drive. Commodore's attempt at a fast parallel drive. It was to hook into the parallel port of the Plus/4 and delivered a great speed improvement over the 1541 (not too hard of a feat.) I hear it was released in Europe but not in the states. >I now have volumes 1 and 3 of "The Best of Creative Computing", how many >volumes where published? I think they stopped with volume 3, I remember they closed out a bunch of their inventory to schools (which included vols 1-3) at about $100 or so, that was sometime in 1982. Gosh I wish I had all that stuff today: posters, computer music record, books, etc. >Happy hunting, ------------ >From: hellige <jeffh(a)eleventh.com> >Subject: Re: weekend additions > Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but the Plus/4 (like the C-16) was >intended as an upgrade, and total break, from the C-64 and is incompatible in >both hardware and software to the C-64. I've seen it said that this was one >of the main reasons the machine never caught on. As for the color scheme of >the 1541 though, the later 1541's were the ones that matched the brown color >of the C-64. The earlier 1541's, labled VIC-1541, matched the lighter color >of the VIC-20. It is the VIC-1541 that I have in my collection. The 1541 is VERY compatible with the Plus/4 and Commodore 16 (thank goodness!) You can adapt a datasette to use on the Plus/4 but Commodore decided to change the pitches at which the data is recorded thus making it impossible to interchange data via tape between other Commodore 8-bits. The format and timing are the same from what I understand. Larry Anderson -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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emulator board help

by KFergason＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-04-27 14:49:28 EDT, you write: << Markings: "DSI-780" on the front, and "Rev B Copyright 1986 Definicon" on the rear >> The Definicon coprocessor board for the PC. You could basically compile and run Fortran programs in the coprocessor. Not Mac related. sorta dated now, but cool at the time. Mine seems to have a bad Simm, and would fail periodically. I haven't used it in years. Kelly

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emulator board help

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

This is likely not really the right place to ask this, but nobody else in other groups has a clue about a 16bit ISA board I have. It is as follows: 16bit ISA board for IBM compatiblle 16mhz MC68020RC16B and MC68881RC16A processors 16 30 pin memory modules soldered directly to the circuit board each module contains 9 41256-120 RAM chips (NEC 8608E621) 1 DB-9 and 1 DB-25 connector (both male) on the rear cover plate Markings: "DSI-780" on the front, and "Rev B Copyright 1986 Definicon" on the rear There is also an empty socket, the same size as the 68020 socket. I aquired this board from a pile of misc. circuit boards that was being tossed out a couple of years ago, and have not been able to find out any information on it. Any info at all would be most helpful. To me, it appears to be some kind of hardware emulator for an Apple or Mac. I know in the late 80's there were a number of Apple II emulator boards for the PC running around, as I recall seeing them for sale in the Radio Shack catalogs of the period. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, and Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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Alignment Disks

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

Hi all. Anyone know where alignment disks can be purchased these days? Bill ---------------------------------------------------- Bill Whitson - Classic Computers ListOp bill(a)booster.u.washinton.edu or bcw(a)u.washington.edu http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw

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Atari prob, etc.

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 28-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >Since I only have the one power supply I had to power up the 1050 as a One thing about Atari 8bit stuff is a lot of it tended to use it's own power rating on the power supply, and not really interchangeable between most of it, it seems. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, and Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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emulator board help

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 28-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >The Definicon coprocessor board for the PC. You could basically >compile and run Fortran programs in the coprocessor. Not Mac >related. sorta dated now, but cool at the time. That's interesting. It makes sense considering where I got it as well...lots of engineers and R&D work. Looks like he board had a bit more memory on it than the average PC of the time. >Mine seems to have a bad Simm, and would fail periodically. I haven't used >it in years. Would you still have the disks for it? Do you know if there was any type of diagnostic on the disk to determine if this board is functional or not? Thanks. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, and Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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weekend additions

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 27-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >Can the Plus/4 run C64 software? >In the user's manual there is a picture of a 1541 disk drive which looked >black. It was a black and white picture, but the 1541s that I have seen >all match the color scheme of the C64. Has anyone seen a black 1541? Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but the Plus/4 (like the C-16) was intended as an upgrade, and total break, from the C-64 and is incompatible in both hardware and software to the C-64. I've seen it said that this was one of the main reasons the machine never caught on. As for the color scheme of the 1541 though, the later 1541's were the ones that matched the brown color of the C-64. The earlier 1541's, labled VIC-1541, matched the lighter color of the VIC-20. It is the VIC-1541 that I have in my collection. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, and Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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emulator board help

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 28-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >I seem to recall that Definicon made coprocessor boards (68000 series, and >maybe 32016 series as well) for PC's. You rean special language compilers >on the PC that converted your high-level source into machine code for the >68000 or whatever, and ran it on the coprocessor board What would be the point in doing this though, if the board didn't emulate a specific 68000 series computer? Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, and Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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Freebie

by bm_pete＠ix.netcom.com

I have a printer which doesn't work and I don't know why. (And don't want to mess with it) Rather than junk it (saving parts) I'll offer it to anyone who'll pay shipping costs from zip code 73162. It's a Okidata 292 with a serial interface module (which might work) but minus the knob. The power led does come on but it does not self-test. You've got a week to rescue it. _______________ Barry Peterson bm_pete(a)ix.netcom.com Husband to Diane, Father to Doug, Grandfather to Zoe and Tegan.

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Computer Books

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

I'll have to agree on the library as a good source of books. I recently was looking in our library here at school and couldn't find a newer book on PC's. There were quite a few old programming/hardware books from the 70's and a complete set of an old computer magazine from the 60's to the present. Great fun to look at the prices and advertising. And they do sell them. My friend found a book on Volkswagens from the early 60's....$2. Just ask at the circulation desk. They don't have to be in the book sale, just old enough to be of no general value in their eyes. Another good place to look is the Goodwill, thrift sores, etc. Most of us probably already do that but I thought Id mention it. At our local store, customers trash whatever comes neatly in any box. (sad, the disks get thrown around and power supplies disappear too) When they clean up they just pile the manuals on the shelf next to the Danielle Steel novels. I found a complete set of manuals for an Apple III a while back. Tons of Commodore programming guides. Software carts and disks end up in the cassette tape section for some reason. If interested, I could grab whatever I find and sell to interested parties here for cost + shipping. Usually .50 a book + postage. I really don't have the room (or the time) to stockpile books. I just buy what matches the systems I have at the time or what seems rare. Greg

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A Few More Items on Auctionweb

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

I put a few more items on Auctionweb. My apologies to those who aren't interested but I did receive quite a few positive responses to my last post. There are pictures of most of the items posted also. Tandy 1000 HX system, 3.5 FD (photo) Current bid: $15.50 Auction ends on: 04/29/97, 17:19:16 PDT http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=ruc07286 Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer I (photo) Current bid: $5.00 Auction ends on: 04/30/97, 00:22:16 PDT http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=diy3257 Radio Shack TRS-80 5 MB Ext. Hard Drive (pic) Bidding starts at: $3.00 Auction ends on: 04/30/97, 00:34:36 PDT http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=qhp59201 Lot of 2 Commodore 1541 Drives (white) Bidding starts at: $3.00 Auction ends on: 04/30/97, 00:41:24 PDT http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=gcr4972 Orig. Mouse for Macintosh 128/512/Plus (pic) Current bid: $3.00 Auction ends on: 04/30/97, 00:54:21 PDT http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=fgt955

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Shopper Wanted for Trenton Computer Fest

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Hi all, I'll pay a generous finder's fee & shipping for anyone who wants to keep an eye out at the TCF for the small list of machines I'm still looking for. If interested, please email for the list. thanks much, Kai

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Scrap Dealers (was Re: Collecting)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Here's a list of scrap dealers who buy obsolete computer equipment: Windfield Alloy, Inc. Lawrence, MA 800-626-1230/508-689-2470 Local ComService Enterprises, Brooklyn, NY 718-332-2300/718-332-4471 Fax Silicon Salvage Inc, Anaheim, CA 714-523-2425/714-523-2552 Fax Texas Recycling & Refining, Houston, TX 713-443-2070/713-443-3973 Fax Iowa Electronic Recovery, 800-232-2591/319-337-9548 Fax Metaltech, 800-435-8636/603-524-2873 Fax EnviRoSYS, 800-PRO-JUNK, surplus(a)crazybob.com Someone should organize contact with these folks so they don't get our whole list calling and bothering them. Kai

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Trenton Computer [fair?]

by more＠camlaw.rutgers.edu

Hi, I ve never been to this Trenton Computer Fair. What can I expect for things such as parking? Will I have to walk a mile and a half to get there? What is it really? Is it like a giant flea market? Is there admission? It will still be there on Sunday right? What kind of stuff do they have there? Is it all old stuff? Is it all new stuff? Do these people try and "rip" you off? [Im asking because Id like to pick up a CP/M machine here and dont want to pay $100 for it] Sory for all the questions! Les PS Anyone know how to get there from the Philly area? :) [never been to Trenton]

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atari printers

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

FYI: Alltronics is selling the Atari 1020 color printer for 15 dollars. www.alltronics.com - they're in San Jose, California. Thought you Atari fans might want to know. -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com -- By Caffeine alone my mind is set in motion. Through beans of java thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes. The shakes become a warning - I am in control of my addiction! By Caffeine alone my mind is set in motion. Adapted from the Mentat chant of _Dune_

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On Generations of People and Computers

by ronaldm＠mars.ark.com

>In a message dated 97-04-14 22:27:40 EDT, you write: > >> > >Is everyone else in their 20's and 30's? Anyone seriously outside of=20 >> > >this range? >> > >I'm seriously outside of =20. more like =20 +25(next week). > >Lou Just a young man are you. Last week I turned 53. -Ron Mitchell

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Extra Stuff

by BigLouS＠aol.com

I'll take the 1000. I have a 68000 chip sitting around from my old Amiga and the drives are pretty easy to find. If it's still available let me know what the shipping is. Regards, Lou

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Osborne 1 prices (was: On Generations of People and Computers )

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Turns out I was too quick to place the blame on an errant journalist. The article, excerpted below (not for profit, and do not forward, etc) actually does say "apple 1" -- it was some bozo on Usenet that made the mistake. The part about the Computer Bowl is correct though. Kai 02490420 60320 THE CUTTING EDGE A Byte of History Techies Taking a Scroll Down Memory Lane Los Angeles Times (LT) - MONDAY August 12, 1996 By: GREG MILLER; TIMES STAFF WRITER Edition: Home Edition Section: Business Page: 1 Pt. D Story Type: Main Story; Infobox Word Count: 1,797 TEXT: The nerds are getting nostalgic. Barely 20 years into the personal computer revolution, techies across the country are growing increasingly sentimental about the machines and programs that changed their lives and ushered in the Information Age. For them, booting up a vintage Commodore PET computer can conjure misty-eyed memories. Toggling the switches of an Altair 8800 is better than gripping the gearshift of a first car. And a shrink-wrapped copy of VisiCalc software beats a mint-condition Mickey Mantle baseball card any day. This is the memorabilia of the PC generation, and after spending much of the last decade or two collecting dust in suburban garages from Silicon Valley to Boston's Route 128, it's starting to make a comeback. Virtual museums of vintage hardware and software are sprouting up all over the Internet's World Wide Web, as are online classified ads placed by collectors desperate to reacquire the technological wonders of their youth. Some rare PCs are fetching much higher prices now than they did when they were brand-new, and even revered institutions such as the Smithsonian are bolstering their computer collections. "The amount of activity that I see is amazing," said Kip Crosby, president of the Computer History Assn. of California in Palo Alto. "People are always asking me: 'Can you find me an Altair? Can you find this or that?' I get 10 to 20 phone calls and e-mails a month, twice as many as a year ago." Most of these early machines and programs, which didn't work very well when they were new, are even more troublesome to maintain now--and have been rendered obsolete by wave after wave of new equipment. But like certain cars or baseball cards, high-tech relics are somehow enhanced by the passage of time. Collectors see them as the symbols of a more colorful computer age populated by legendary personalities who became billionaires--or, in some cases, went bust. "That's why I'm interested in computer history," said Co Ho, 30, an Internet administrator at Fullerton College. "Many people could have made it big, but they fell asleep and ended up having somebody else eating their cake." Ho collects vintage software, especially programs that changed the computing landscape but somehow faltered. One of his favorite pieces is CP/M, an early operating system created by Digital Research. CP/M might have become the operating system had Digital Research's founder, the late Gary Kildall, been more hospitable when IBM came calling to license his software. In a legendary blunder, Kildall and his wife refused to sign IBM's confidentiality agreement, and IBM executives took their business to a then-tiny company known as Microsoft. "CP/M missed the boat because of casual behavior," Ho said. "It's really a sad story." Ho is one of the few people who collect software. More collect hardware, and one of the most sought-after machines is the Altair 8800, introduced by MITS Inc. of Albuquerque in 1975. It didn't have a keyboard or a monitor, only rows of switches on the front of the box. The Altair kit sold for $395 when it was new, but one in good condition today can fetch as much as $1,500 because of the exalted position it holds in computer history. Widely regarded as the first mass-market personal computer, it launched a craze when it appeared on the cover of the January 1975 issue of Popular Electronics. Bill Gates even dropped out of Harvard to develop an early version of the Basic programming language for the Altair. The Altair "established Bill Gates in business," said Gwen Bell, founder of the Computer Museum, a Boston mecca for computer lovers. "One of our prize treasures is the original Basic tape that Bill Gates developed on the Altair." Collectors tend to pass over some of the most popular early machines, such as the original IBM PC and the 1984 Apple Macintosh, because there are just too many of them. Scarcity counts, which helps explain why the most valuable collectible is the Apple I. Introduced by Steven Jobs and Stephen Wozniak in 1976, the Apple I was nothing more than a circuit board. It had no keyboard, no monitor, not even a case. It sold for $666, and only a few hundred were produced. A well-preserved Apple I can fetch as much as $12,000 today, sometimes more. An Apple I signed by Jobs and Wozniak sold for $22,000 at a fund-raiser auction for the Computer Museum several months ago, Bell said. That kind of appreciation has attracted the attention of even non-techie collectors. "I got a call from an investment advisor for a Wall Street banker," Bell said. "He asked: 'Should I get him into collecting old computers? Will they increase in value more than art?' I said, 'I don't know--I'm not a dealer.' " In fact, there aren't any prominent dealers of antique computers, at least not yet. But a few collectors are hoping to change that, including David Greelish, founder of the Historical Computer Society in Jacksonville, Fla. Greelish, a computer repairman, has spent about $2,600 in recent years building a collection of 35 computers, mostly by trolling for bargains on the Internet. He uses search engines such as Yahoo to root out online classified ads for Altairs and other vintage machines, and he keeps an eye on alt.folklore.computers, a newsgroup where history buffs hang out. "Ultimately, I would like to see (the Historical Computer Society) grow and publish magazines and books," he said. "I'd like to start displaying our collection and even restoring computers for sale." Greelish and others said would-be collectors should look for machines that look clean, have all the original equipment and documentation and still run. A number of guidebooks are available, including Stan Veit's "History of the Personal Computer," published by WorldComm in Asheville, N.C., and "A Collector's Guide to Personal Computers and Pocket Calculators," published by Krause Publications in Iola, Wis. Experts urge caution, however. There's no guarantee that old computers will grow in value, and they are very difficult to maintain. "If you've never opened up your computer and looked inside, this is probably not the collectible for you," Bell said. Instead, experts say, this is a hobby better left to people who were enthralled by the recent PBS documentary "Triumph of the Nerds," people who still have a soft spot for monochrome terminals, "Chiclet" keyboards and the odd shapes of the early machines. But even among techies, there are plenty of people who scoff at this new fad, including Kim Nelson, service manager at ACP Superstore in Santa Ana. Founded 20 years ago, ACP is one of the oldest computer stores in Southern California, holds swap meets that attract legions of collectors, and might be one of the region's best unofficial museums. The store's top shelves are crammed with artifacts of computer history, although Nelson calls it junk. "Isn't it amazing that we have computer folklore now," he said, walking with a reporter along rows of vintage Commodores, Imsais and Tandys. "That's kind of sad when you think about it. Seems to me there are things that are a lot more important." But as he uttered those words, service technician John Krill walked by and surveyed the line of creaky machines. Almost against his will, Nelson was sucked into an episode of technology reverie. "Look at that Kaypro," Krill said. "That company grew so fast they were warehousing their inventory in tents." "Weren't they the ones that had the fire too?" asked Nelson, perking up just a bit and eager to demonstrate his techno-trivia prowess. The conversation drifted from machine to machine. "When I was in college, I would just leave my Osborne up in the library," Krill said with a laugh, recalling the immobility of the first portable computer. "The damned thing weighed 27 pounds. I didn't want to lug it around." Fifteen minutes passed before the two realized that their walk down memory lane might have strained the attention span of their guest. "That's enough, John," Nelson finally said with an embarrassed grin. "You're boring him." Greg Miller can be reached via e-mail at greg.miller atimes.com (BEGIN TEXT OF INFOBOX / INFOGRAPHIC) Computer Collectibles Here are some of the PCs attracting the attention of nostalgic techies: Model: Apple I Year introduced: 1976 Original price: $666 Current value: $10,000-$12,000 * Model: Mark-8 Year introduced: 1974 Original price: $250 Current value: $3,500-$4,000 * Model: Scelbi 8H Year introduced: 1973 Original price: $440 Current value: $1,200-$1,500 * Model: Altair 8800 Year introduced: 1975 Original price: $395 Current value: $1,200-$1,500 * Model: Imsai 8080 Year introduced: 1975 Original price: $440 Current value: $400-$600 * Model: Apple II Year introduced: 1977 Original price: $1,195 Current value: $200-$400 * Model: Osborne I Year introduced: 1981 Original price: $1,795 Current value: $200-$300 Descriptions: Apple I: With no monitor, no keyboard and no case, the Apple I was little more than a circuit board. Only a few hundred were produced. Mark-8: A kit computer that was the subject of the first magazine article describing how to build a computer. The article appeared in Radio Electronics Magazine in 1974. Scelbi: Predated the Altair and was the first computer based on a microprocessor advertised for sale. Only a small number was made. Altair 8800: Programmed by switches, the Altair 8800 had no keyboard, no monitor and just 256 bytes of memory. But it is widely regarded as the first mass-market personal computer. The Altair, based on an Intel processor, started a craze when it appeared on the cover of Popular Electronics magazine in January 1975. Imsai 8080: Modeled on the Altair, the Imsai had several technological advances and a more polished look. Had no keyboard or monitor but was briefly the fastest-selling personal computer. Apple II: This is the machine that launched the company--and the personal computer industry. Apple II computers came with a keyboard, monitor and two disk drives. Most important, they ran VisiCalc, the original spreadsheet program that was the personal computer's "killer application." Osborne I: Considered the first portable computer, even though it weighed about 30 pounds and was the size of a suitcase. It had a 5-inch screen, two floppy disk drives and 64K of RAM. Sources: Stan Veit's "History of the Personal Computer," published by WorldComm, Asheville, N.C.; David Greelish, president, Historical Computer Society, Jacksonville, Fla.; "A Collector's Guide to Personal Computers and Pocket Calculators," published by Krause Publications in Iola, Wis. AL SCHABEN / Los Angeles Times > ---------- > From: Alexios Chouchoulas[SMTP:alexios@vennea.demon.co.uk] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, April 21, 1997 4:53 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Osborne 1 prices (was: On Generations of People and > Computers) > > On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Kai Kaltenbach wrote: > > > | Aha! You have a point! Anyone remember the time when > > Osborne-1s were > > | supposedly rare and were priced at around $1,000-$10,000? Ha > > ha. Nice joke. > > > > This stems from a California reporter who got confused when talking > to > > collectors and printed in the newspaper that an Osborne 1 sold for > over > > $10,000. The collectors were actually talking about an Apple I, not > an > > Osborne 1 (an easy confusion for a layman to make). > > Ok, that would make sense. It seems that this has become some sort > of > urban legend, though -- I remember posts in afc like "I have an > Osborne-1. > Make me an offer about $5000." :-) > > > --------------------------- ,o88,o888o,,o888o. > ------------------------------- > Alexios Chouchoulas '88 ,88' ,88' > alexios(a)vennea.demon.co.uk > The Unpronouncable One ,o88oooo88ooooo88oo, > axc(a)dcs.ed.ac.uk >

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by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| I'm just curious - have any of you (with the possible exception of the | apple I) ever seen anyone selling these models at these prices much less | purchased one for so much? Do any of these warrant such a price for | you? $400 for an Apple II? $300 for an Osborne? I bought an Apple II+ | with 3 Disk IIs, color monitor, and box of accessories for $50 - | in 1988! Well... here are my thoughts: > > Here are some of the PCs attracting the attention of nostalgic > > techies: > > > > Model: Apple I > > Current value: $10,000-$12,000 > Unverified, the only high-dollar example I know of is the Computer Bowl auction unit. I know someone who actually has two Apple I's, and since I actually have more than one Altair, I'm trying to talk him into our becoming about the only two people with one of each. Wish me luck! > > Model: Mark-8 > > Current value: $3,500-$4,000 > Highly dubious, since I have never seen, and probably will never see, one of these for sale. Heck, it wasn't even a genuine production machine, it was mostly just instructions on how to build one from scratch. Who knows what it would even look like? Every one was different. Since most if not all of the period's TTL stuff is still available, you could build something today and call it a Mark 8. Most people looking for an Altair would say "A Mark what?" > > Model: Scelbi 8H > > Current value: $1,200-$1,500 > Why this should be lower priced than the Mark-8 considering that it came out earlier ('73 vs. '74, according to Byte), is beyond me. The same comment as for the Mark-8 applies. The Mark-8 and Scelbi are sort of like the guy who almost got credit for inventing the telephone. It's doubtful that history will ever be rewritten sufficiently for there to be a significant interest in these machines. Not that _I_ wouldn't buy one, mind you... not for these dollars of course, but for a goodly sum. > > > Model: Altair 8800 > > Current value: $1,200-$1,500 > This might actually be a bit low, considering the amount of 'Altair Fever' around today. You should see the number of 'Altair Wanted' posts on various sections of Usenet. Geez! Is it worth it? I'd say, sure it is! My dad's '57 fuelie 'Vette is just as primitive by today's standards, but just like the Altair, it looks fantastic and it's a piece of history. It darn well deserves its more-than-a-new-one price tag. Of course, my dad restored it himself, since he always wanted one when he was a kid... sure sounds like his son's relationship with antique computers! > > > Model: Imsai 8080 > > Current value: $400-$600 > This is accurate, perhaps a bit low as well. They're pretty rare (one less in circulation as of this weekend - thanks Tim!) > > > Model: Apple II > > Current value: $200-$400 > Well, we all know this is a joke. The highest price I've seen for a plain // is about $60. I'd probably pay $200+ for a pristine one in the original box with manuals, etc. but I don't think that's what they mean. Of course, I haven't been able to find a nice one myself, so... > > Model: Osborne I > > Current value: $200-$300 > Tough call. It's reasonably, but certainly not vanishingly, rare (I've owned three at various times) and I'm sure there are folks in the world that would pay this, but I generally see them going for around $100, and more like $15 at swap meets or thrift stores. Kai

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by dastar＠crl.com

I have an Atari 2600 carthridge question: I bought a couple at a swap meet that don't "boot" up. When I turn the unit on the screen either is black or has random vertical color bars on the screen. They are both Activision games. Any suggestions? I tried opening them but can't without ruining the label. I guess a working cart is worth more than a ruined label, but I'm hoping there's a better way if there is some way to fix them. Hey, let's have a contest. Let's see who can score the best lot of classic computers this weekend. We can score each other based on the type and age of the computers/software/accessories we got, then tally up the points and whoever has the highest score gets a pat on the back. The point to such a silly game is that it will promote the preservation of old computers. It will get us out there finding these lost souls and keeping them safe for future generations. And believe me, there's nothing more gratifying then a good weekend out hunting for good old computers! (Well, there are at least a few things more gratifying :) Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| Aha! You have a point! Anyone remember the time when Osborne-1s were | supposedly rare and were priced at around $1,000-$10,000? Ha ha. Nice joke. This stems from a California reporter who got confused when talking to collectors and printed in the newspaper that an Osborne 1 sold for over $10,000. The collectors were actually talking about an Apple I, not an Osborne 1 (an easy confusion for a layman to make). An Apple I sold at the Computer Bowl charity auction (filled with billionaires) for that price, but even that doesn't mean that an Apple I is _worth_ $10K, just that someone made a nice charity donation in connection with one. Kai

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by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

I'm looking for an external scsi disk case, preferably set up for 2 5.25 inch 1/2 height devices. This is to attach to my second(!) apple2gs with a cdrom and a moderate sized hard disk. I'm told this kind of beast is common around SUN machines, and I know it's common around Digital Equipment machines as well. Anyone got an extra box lying around in their collection that they'd love to sell me? -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com -- By Caffeine alone my mind is set in motion. Through beans of java thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes. The shakes become a warning - I am in control of my addiction! By Caffeine alone my mind is set in motion. Adapted from the Mentat chant of _Dune_

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by marcw＠lightside.com

> I'm looking for an external scsi disk case, preferably set up for 2 > 5.25 inch 1/2 height devices. This is to attach to my second(!) apple2gs > with a cdrom and a moderate sized hard disk. I'm told this kind of beast > is common around SUN machines, and I know it's common around Digital > Equipment machines as well. Anyone got an extra box lying around in > their collection that they'd love to sell me? > -- > Jim Strickland > jim(a)calico.litterbox.com A few catalogues sell external SCSI cases in varying sizes. Not the cheapest things it seems. Sometimes more than PC tower cases. Anyhind Jameco (800-831-4242) and JDR Microdevices (800-538-5000) sell them. They all include power supplies. Marc -- >> ANIME SENSHI << Marc D. Williams marcw(a)lightside.com (finger at: marcw(a)mail.lightside.com) marc.williams(a)mb.fidonet.org

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Regular Posting: FAQ

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

============================================================================= ClassicCmp - The Classic Computers Discussion List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) v1.2 Last Update: 4/16/97 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This FAQ is written with the primary purpose of making readily available answers to the more common questions appearing on ClassicCmp. It is Maintained by Bill Whitson <bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu>. The infor- mation in this document has been gathered from a variety of sources but, in general, the members of ClassicCmp should be credited for all contain- ed herein. I have, of course, endeavored to be as accurate as is possible and often failed ;). If you have questions, comments, or corrections (always welcome) please contact me at the address above. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This FAQ has jumped 2 updates because I've been lazy about posting it. Part 5.4 is new Sections 6-9 are new. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- About ClassicCmp ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. About the List ----------------- 1.1 What is ClassicCmp? 1.2 Why is ClassicCmp? 1.3 What's a Classic Computer? 1.4 Who runs this thing? 1.5 Don't you know you're duplicating what others have done? 2. Protocol and Etiquette ------------------------- 2.1 What can I talk about? 2.2 Can I talk about PCs? 2.3 Can I talk about Mini/MainFrames? 2.4 Can I post advertisements? 2.5 Can I ask people to give me their computers? 2.6 Can I ask for help fixing item x? 2.7 Where should I look before posting a dumb question? 3. Misc List Information ------------------------ 3.1 How many subscribers are there? 3.2 How many subscribers use machine x? 4. ClassicCmp Resources on the Net ---------------------------------- 4.1 Does ClassicCmp have a Web Site? 4.2 How come the Web Site is so ugly? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Collecting ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5.1 Where can I find Classic Computers? 5.2 How much is machine x worth? 5.3 Will thousands of innocent machines be scrapped if I don't save them? 5.4 I just picked up a new machine. What should I do? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hardware and Media ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6.1 What's the best way to clean these dingy tan boxes? 7. Media -------- 7.1 What's a hard sector disk? What's a soft sector disk? 7.2 What's SS/SD, DS/DD, DS/QD, DS/HD, etc. 7.3 Can these formats be interchanged? 7.4 What disk sizes are there? 7.5 How do I take care of old media? 8. Component Failure Issues --------------------------- 8.1 Do EPROM's go bad? 8.2 How about ROM's, other chips? 8.3 How about capacitors? 8.4 Anything else? 8.5 So how do I backup all this stuff like you suggest? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Software ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9.1 Where can I get a system disk for platform X? 9.2 What's the best way to back up my software? ============================================================================= 1.1 What is ClassicCmp? It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center on collection (just hoarding), restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. 1.2 Why is ClassicCmp? Uh, why not? There are lots of people who love these old machines and it seems like a fun idea to get together and talk about them. 1.3 What is a Classic Computer? Any computer that has not been manufactured for 10 years is a classic. This definition is one I made up and it's entirely arbitrary. It seems to work OK, so I've kept it. 1.4 Who runs this thing? That would be me, Bill Whitson. I run this thing when I'm not busy being a network admin at the University of Washington, SCUBA diving, playing drums in punk rock bands, or drinking heavily. Oh yeah, I'm a 22 year old, unmarried, childless, white, male living in the state of Washington in the US. People ask you the strangest things when you run a listproc... 1.5 Do you know you're just duplicating work other people have done. Damn straight. That's what the internet's all about. OK, guess I have to update this too - I get a "reinventing the wheel" e-mail at least once a week. If you show me another group of computer collectors that claims a membership as large as this one I'll show you a group that must be very hard to find. Obviously there are other groups of collectors and I'm cheering them on - I don't see a problem with duplicating and reduplicating lore that's quickly disappearing anyway. 2.1 What can I talk about? Anything related to classic computers as defined above. There are many people on this list that really know what they're talking about, so you might want to check facts before you start shooting off messages (if you're easily embarrassed). 2.2 Can I talk about PCs? Yes. PCs which haven't been manufactured for 10 years. Even then be aware that in many cases you would get a better response posting to PC newsgroups. 2.3 Can I talk about Minis/MainFrames? There has apparently been some misconception that this is a list for micros only. You'll note I said "misconception". 2.4 Can I post advertisements? Sure. As long as they're related to _classic_ computers. And, of course, use your brain - don't spam. 2.5 Can I ask people to sell/give me their computers? Sure. But you're not likely to get a very nice response. Mine, for example, would be: Get your own f***ing computer! There are several people on usenet who will vouch for this. See section 5 for info on how to find your- self a computer. 2.6 Can I ask for help fixing item x. Yes. Be aware that it may be difficult to help you fix things if you don't have much knowledge of how computers work or of how to use basic electronics tools (DMM, soldering iron, EPROM burner, etc). I'm no whiz with this stuff and the little knowledge I have has come from asking questions and then buying books to find out what "Simple... Just check the voltage on the caps in the PS to make sure one of them isn't flaking out!" exactly means. 2.7 Where can I look before posting a dumb question? It might be a good idea to take a look at what's available in the Archive section of the ClassicCmp web site (see below). 3.1 How many subscribers are there? Around 230, fluxing daily. 3.2 How many subscribers use machine x? Don't bother asking me. If you really want to know go ahead and post to the list. I really don't know what having a number will do for you... 4.1 Does ClassicCmp have a web site? Yep. http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw/ccl.html 4.2 How come the web site is so ugly? How come a PET is so ugly? Who cares as long as it works? 5.1 Where can I find classic computers? The best places seem to be thrift stores and swap meets. These are closely followed by pawn shops and mom and pop computer stores. The holy grails are electronics scrap yards - but they tend to be wary of individual pick-and-choosers. Oh yeah - garage sales! 5.2 How much is machine x worth? Precisely as much as you'll pay for it. Oh, you're selling it? Then, precisely as much as I'll pay for it. Seriously, no one prices these any more. I have an old Computer Blue Book that lists many classic computers but the prices are just ridiculous. Some machines (Apple Lisa's, old old Mini's, and unreleased prototypes) are starting down the road toward their original selling prices. 5.3 Will 1000's of innocent machines be scrapped if I don't save them? Yes. This is the impetus behind every collector's tireless and selfless effort. Each machine we fail to save has it's gold parts mercilessly hacked off and sold (just like rhino horns - and look at the rhinos). The remainder is then sent to China to be made into bicycle spokes (you probably think I'm joking). Save a computer! Act now! Remind your wife of the rhino and cuter, furrier animals. It might work. In all seriousness - there are a large (and growing) number of so called "computer and electronics 'recyclers'" who take usable computers and recycle them into "reusable scrap". Small amounts of gold, silver, and platinum are extracted and the remainder of the material is generally just marketed to less wasteful countries. 5.4 I just picked up a new machine. What should I do? Don't power it up yet! All of the following should probably be done before that power switch gets flipped. Open the case - clean and visually inspect components. You're looking for traces of smoke, water, corrosion, loose screws, blown caps and resistors, etc. You can avoid a number of problems just by taking a peek inside. If you have the tools (and the machine is sufficiently rare) pull and dump backups of all EPROMs, ROMs, and PALs. Disconnect the power supply from the rest of the computer and start it up on a "dummy load". A six volt headlight bulb has been recommended as a convenient load. These should be available >from any decent Volkswagen shop. Hopefully this will prevent frying the rest of the machine with a flaky power supply. You may want to check the voltage output before you do this as it could be no where near the 5V average in micros. Even if you don't want to connect a load it's still probably a good idea to power it up separately from the computer for the first time. If you have a really rare beast it may be worth powering up some of the key capacitors out of circuit just to get them warmed up. Now you can power it up. Assuming it works, take a blank disk, format it, write some data to it, and read it back before using your precious software with it, as a bad disk drive could really ruin your day. 6.1 What's the best way to clean these dingy tan boxes? Cases: It seems best to start gently with such old equipment. Try soaking in a little water and dish soap and then scrubbing. This takes care of most jobs. For removing stickers try mineral oil or Goo-Gone (available at most hardware stores - in the US at least). If those don't work, acetone can be good but, if overused, can do more harm. For removing marker, almost any solvent is good (alcohol, naptha, etc) but will definitely discolor or dissolve plastic if not carefully applied. Lava soap is also good for removing marker but can smooth off textured plastic. For removing sun or tobacco discoloring a product called Purple Stuff available from auto parts stores (again, in the US at least) seems to do the job almost effortlessly. Connectors: For edge connectors a plain pink eraser seems good for removing corrosion. Make sure to wipe the connectors with a clean cloth after erasing on them though. There are a large number chemicals on the market that "magically" remove corrosion from comp- onents but I'm not anxious to promote any of them. For pin style connectors a toothbrush and some softscrub or other mildly abrasive cleaner do wonders. Keyboards: I find a cycle through the dishwasher does a really nice job on keyboards. Just be sure they're completely dry before you put any power to them. 7.1 What's a hard sectored disk? What's a soft sectored disk? We'll start with soft-sector since they're simpler to explain. On a soft-sector floppy disk the information that marks where a sector begins and ends is written to the disk by the computer (part of the formatting process). This means that various computers can use the same floppy disk types because the format of the disk is control- led by the operating system. Hard sector disks use a system of perforations in the media to mark the beginnings and ends of sectors. This means that computers which used hard sectored disks required the exact disk type they specified rather than a generic soft-sector floppy. A number of differently sectored disks were available - at least 10, 13, and 16 sector formats. 8 inch and 5.25 inch disks commonly used hard sectoring. To my knowledge it was never used with 3.5 inch disks. 7.2 What's SS/SD, DS/DD, DS/QD, DS/HD, etc. These all refer to the number of useable sides on a disk and it's density (how "efficiently" the magnetic bits are pushed together). SS/SD is a Single Sided - Single Density disk, the earliest available type I believe. The storage afforded by a single density disk was very small compared to today's standards. Single Sided disks were popular because they were cheaper than DS and could be easily modified with a hole punch into double sided disks. SD was followed by Double Density which, amazingly, doubled the amount of storage space. Double Density was followed by the extremely short-lived Quad Density which doubled a DD disk. QD was short lived because High Density was right on it's heels and nearly doubled disk capacity again. DS/HD was as sophisticated as 5.25" disks became. 3.5" disks have progressed as far as DS/EHD double-sided / extra-high density. 7.3 Can these formats be interchanged? Well, that may depend on what computer you are using, but in general the following substitutions may be made: Desired Format Substitute --------------------------------------------------- Single Density Double Density Double Density none reliably Quad Density High Density High Density none Other substitutions may be made, but due to physical differences in how the disks are made they are generally unreliable. It can almost be guaranteed that data written to a proper density disk of poor quality will last longer than data written to a good quality disk of the wrong density. 7.4 What disk sizes are there? Physically? There are 8 inch, 5.25 inch, and 3.5 inch as "standard" disks. There are also some unique and/or short-lived sizes such as 3 inch disks used by Amstrad and 2 inch disks which were pioneered for use in laptops and then quickly forgotten. 7.5 How do I take care of old media? Step one is Back It Up! After that, make sure it's kept in a clean, dry, temperature-controlled environment (I keep mine in a broken freezer). With disks it seems important to keep them standing on end rather than lying flat - the same goes for cassette tapes. I like to exercise disks and tapes at least once every six months although I have no real evidence that this has any positive effect. I have modified an old C64 floppy drive to simply spin when a disk is inserted and send large stacks of disks through it on a regular basis just to make sure they're not starting to stick up internally. An exciting and somewhat recent development is that availability of classic computer emulators that can make disk images of old media on PC's and Macs. This seems to be a very good way to backup disks since they will eventually go bad no matter how well we take care of them. The official line seems to be that floppy disks have a shelf-life of approximately 10 years. With proper care many are lasting a lot longer. 8.1 Do EPROM's go bad? Definitely. They apparently are considered to reliably contain data for (on the outside edge) 15 years. This amount can be considerably reduced if, for example, the sticker over the window has dried out and fallen off. Luckily EPROMs were not used too extensively but they're out there. An EPROM writer/reader is a relatively cheap investment and an easy fix. Even if an EPROM has "forgotten" it's data it is still fine for being "re-educated". 8.2 How about ROMs and other chips? Things wear out. It's likely that even components which have not been fried by catastrophic failure will simply start to die someday. ROMs can be dumped to a file and re-written if they die. Other custom chips which are all too common in micros will be far more difficult to replace. The best advice is to stockpile these chips when you can - but someday even unused chips will probably start to turn up bad. In this case the best defense is to stockpile information in the hope of being able to modify an existing component to meet your needs. 8.3 How about capacitors? This seems to be another large concern, but rather than being an unreplaceable component a capacitor will take your unreplaceable components with it when it goes. It's a good idea to check out all the caps in a system if you haven't fired it up in a while. Caps go bad with time (even tantalum caps, apparently - although they are more reliable) and should be replaced if they are suspect. It's unlikely that it will be impossible to find a replacement capacitor as they are much more standard electronic components. 8.4 Anything else? Documentation: If there's anything which is entirely unreplaceable its the docs for uncommon equipment. Once they're gone, they're gone. I regularly pick up docs I find for equipment I don't have just because I may someday. Paper will, of course. go bad over time but it will be obvious and they will be easily duplicated. Hard Disks: ST-251s, ST-502s, MFM, RLL... old hard disks are going to go bad. Then they'll be gone. Theoretically, I suppose it's possible to crack a hard drive and replace a dead bearing, realign, relaminate, etc... but I've never heard of anyone doing these things in their base- ment. Perhaps in another 5 or 10 years many of us will be experts at this. 8.5 So, how do I back up all this stuff like you suggest? This answer will undoubtedly get longer as I learn more. The best ways seem to be to dump the particular ROM (or whatever) using the approp- riate equipment to a floppy disk (which most of this equipment allows).

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Apple Lisa Power Supply...

by kevan＠motiv.co.uk

Hi, While I have the attention of Lisa owners with the other thread I thought I may make this request... I have owned a Lisa 2 for a number of years now, but unfortunately it has a mostly broken power supply unit. Over this time I seem to have got close to finding spares or schematics more times than I care to remember, only to be let down at the last minute. (Sorry, sob story over now.) It is a complex beast and I don't have the technical know how to fix the problem, but I do have friends, who are skilled electronic engineers, who say they can do it with the schematics. Has anybody got the schematics for a Lisa 2 power supply? Failing this has anybody got a working spare they are willing to part with? Or do you know of a cheap source of them? Many thanks... -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: <URL:http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/>

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Atari 2600

by alexios＠vennea.demon.co.uk

I remembered a message here about pricing and video games yesterday. Someone had an Atari 2600 (the new, revamped, black type) at the car boot sale in Edinburgh yesterday. He explained to me that this was a "games computer" with around 8 carts (<sarcasm>lemmesee, Pacman, Ms. Pacman, Pole Position, etc. -- ooh, rare</sarcasm>). The price: 20.00 UKP (around $30?). Surely, these people are joking. I didn't even want to haggle for a new VCS. Now, if it was the *OLD* type, I might have been interested (I don't normally collect this stuff, but the old VCS has sentimental value -- I played my first game of Space Invaders on one). Unfortunately, at another flea market, another time and another country (and anyway, the wench is dead), an original VCS was going for around $100, with extremely common carts selling for as much as $25. Amazing. Almost as expensive as the thing when it first came out. :-) My theory for this is that game machines haven't changed all that much in the last 20 years: still a box, still take carts (or CD-ROMs nowadays), still have joysticks. What the heck, it must be worth something, right? Whereas computers have changed so dramatically that your average car boot sale joe will sell an old `computer keyboard' (probably a ZX-80) for peanuts since it doesn't appear to have a monitor or a CD-ROM or Winblows installed. --------------------------- ,o88,o888o,,o888o. ------------------------------- Alexios Chouchoulas '88 ,88' ,88' alexios(a)vennea.demon.co.uk The Unpronouncable One ,o88oooo88ooooo88oo, axc(a)dcs.ed.ac.uk

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by zmerch＠northernway.net

Whilst in a self-induced trance, Sam Ismail happened to blather: >I think this would be a fun thing to do still. If anyone else is >interested, speak up, or write to me directly via e-mail. Then we don't >have to bother anyone else in the discussion with our silly little game. >We could pick a date (a weekend) and then assign some sparse rules and >then do it. It would be fun. Contact me if interested. Actually, I think this would be a fun "silly little game" except in my case the time frame needs to be improved *greatly*. Where I live, garage sales haven't even started yet! (Why, you may ask... for some reason, people don't want to set their "prized possesions" out in 2' of snow!) What would be fun for me is if the contest ran for a month, or even the whole summer... then those of use in the "boonies" might have a chance... 'cause for now, you win. Tough to enter a contest when they don't offer it in your area! Also, if it was over a month's span, then I might even be able to take a road trip to a larger (read: civilized) area to do some scrounging... and mebbe hit some thrift stores, as well. How's this sound, folks? "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* zmerch(a)northernway.net | be your first career choice.

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Collecting (was: On Generations of People and Computers)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

> ---------- > From: Alexios Chouchoulas[SMTP:alexios@vennea.demon.co.uk] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, April 21, 1997 5:44 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Collecting (was: On Generations of People and > Computers) > | If mainstream Microsoft | droids start collecting, we'll have to rescue old hardware >from THEIR | filthy claws as well. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Attention: > [ ] Clueless Newbie [ ] Lamer [ ] AOLer > [ ] Me-too-er [ ] Pervert [ ] Geek > [ ] Spammer [ ] Grade School Dropout [ ] Nerd > [ ] Fed [ ] Freak [ ] > Scientologist > [ ] Fool [ ] Jesus Krispy [ ] Anonymous > Coward > [ ] Rush Limbecile [X] Paranoid MS-Hater [ ] Ex-AOLer > > You are being contacted because: > [ ] You said "me too" to something > [ ] You posted a phone-sex ad > [ ] You posted a local message in an international conference > [ ] You posted a "test" in a newsgroup other than alt.test > [ ] You started an off-topic thread > [ ] You posted a "YOU ALL SUCK" message > [ ] You brag about things that never happened > [X] You posted a "Microsoft is out to get us" message > [ ] Your sig/alias/server sucks > [ ] Your writing skills do not even meet the low standards of Usenet > [ ] You posted a jail-bait message > [ ] You asked a ridiculous question > [ ] You posted a con/scam/pyramid scheme message > [ ] Your lack of a quote made your response incoherent > [ ] You posted to more than four newsgroups > [ ] You were imposing your religious beliefs on others > [ ] You posted something really stupid/depraved > [ ] You tried to blame others for your stupidity > [X] You incorrectly assumed unwarranted moral or intellectual > superiority > > To Repent, You Must: > [ ] Invest in a dictionary/spell-checker > [ ] Learn to correctly use your software/provider/bulletin board > [ ] Give up your AOL account > [ ] Try faking an interesting personality > [ ] Pretend you are Trent Reznor > [ ] Actually post something relevant > [X] Shave your head > [ ] Read the docs/FAQ > [ ] Post your tests to alt.test > [X] Limit yourself to 2 hours of WWF Wrestling per day > [ ] Print your home phone number in your adverts > [ ] Become a Satanist, sell your kids to Michael Jackson > [ ] Send Bill Gates a love letter > > In Closing, I'd Like to Say: > [ ] You're an idiot > [ ] Bite me > [X] Get a life > [ ] Never post again > [ ] I pity your dog > [ ] Go to hell > [ ] Your mother's so fat/stupid/ugly that etc... > [ ] Learn to post or sod off > [ ] Do us all a favor and crawl into some industrial machinery > [ ] See how far your tongue will fit into the electric outlet > [ ] All of the above > > end flame. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >

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FAQ

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

I was just reading the FAQ and thought that I should add my two cents. 6.1 What's the best way to clean these dingy tan boxes? Paper items: About a year ago, I found an Osborne Starter Kit in a thrift store. This is a ring bound manual and some audio cassettes to get a new user started, packaged in a flat cardboard box, the kind with a glossy surface. Well the box had been wrapped many times with that inch and a half clear packaging tape to prevent it from being opened. I knew that if I tried to remove the tape that I would remove most of the surface of the box too. Then I had an idea. I removed the manual and the tapes from the box by cutting the tape around the edge of the box. And then I put the box in the freezer for a few hours until it was nice and cold. I still had to be careful removing the tape but the tape didn't stick to the box as well as it did when it was warm. And it didn't leave any glue behind. The one that I havn't licked yet is how to remove crayon price marking from a paper diskette label or a book page without it smearing or bleeding into the paper. 7.4 What disk sizes are there? A floppy diskette is 8" in width. A mini floppy diskette is 5.25" in width. A micro floppy diskette is 3.5" in width. And computers like the Amstrad CPC6128 and the Sinclair ZX Spectrum+3 use a compact floppy diskette which is 3.15" or 8 cm in width. I also have diskettes made by Nintendo (the word Nintendo is embossed in the plastic) for the Nintendo Family Computer. I don't know what they're called and I haven't measured one yet, but as I remember they are just a little smaller than a micro floppy. ---------------------------------- My computer collection up on the web still needs a lot of work, but I'm looking for suggestions about: - the way it's laid out - are the pictures too big to download quickly - is there incorrect information If you can help me out, my collection is located at www.best.com/~dcoward/museum Thanks ---------------------------------- >>Is everyone else in their 20's and 30's? Anyone seriously outside of >>this range? I'm 210 years old in computer years. ======================================================= dcoward(a)pressstart.com Doug Coward Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale CA =======================================================

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On Generations of People and Computers

by foxvideo＠mail.wincom.net

At 10:10 PM 4/18/97 -0700, you wrote: >>In a message dated 97-04-14 22:27:40 EDT, you write: >> >>> > >Is everyone else in their 20's and 30's? Anyone seriously outside of=20 >>> > >this range? >>> > >>I'm seriously outside of =20. more like =20 +25(next week). >> >>Lou > >Just a young man are you. > >Last week I turned 53. > > -Ron Mitchell > I turned seventy two about a month age! Charlie Fox

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PET stuff

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

Does anyone out there know much about the old PET 2001 machines? I received a PET a couple of years ago, in which all of the 6550 SRAMs were fried. I replaced them with the chips from another PET 2001 (one with the miniature keyboard, from 1977) and the system worked fine. Does anyone know how all of the memory chips could've been killed? I tried them in various patterns in the sockets, and it does seem as if all 16 of them are fried. Anyway, is it still possible to get 6550s anywhere? And if not, is there a replacement that could be used? Even better: Can I simply replace the 6550s with another type of chip and get more RAM in the system? Most of my software works in 8K, but I do have some music files that require more. (I have one of those external music boards that plugs into the cassette2 and user ports, that delivers four voices.) Now, another question. With that same PET, came an expansion board of some kind. Its like a daughterboard, physically mounted on posts above the motherboard, but connected via the memory expansion connector on the side. It appears (yes) to be a memory board, with 16 RAM chips on it. At least, they look like they could be RAM chips, judging by the traces on the board. However, I've never seen RAM chips with gold contacts and gold plates on their backs before, as six of these chips have, so I'm wondering if this could be more than just a memory board. The board is dead, BTW. The PET won't operate with the board plugged in. It just comes up with a screenful of garbage characters. The board plugs directly into the PETs power supply, and then a cable leads from it to the PET motherboard's power connector. There are three large 470uF capacitors and two things that I guess are voltage regulators (I don't know much about electronics :) ), so I'm guessing that this board has its own refresh circuitry on it and it uses DRAM, but that could be totally wrong. :) Both connectors on the cable that leads from the expansion board to the motherboard are noticeably burnt. In both cases, the burn marks surround the pin that connects to the black wire. The only identifying mark on the board is the text: R 3014 rev. C COPYRIGHT 1978 R.C.Factor Does anyone have any better guesses than me as to its function? (Can the edge connector on the side of the PET be used for anything other than RAM expansion?) Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

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FAQ

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Whilst in a self-induced trance, dcoward happened to blather: > I was just reading the FAQ and thought that I should add my two cents. And I was just reading this post, and can add some wisdom as well... >7.4 What disk sizes are there? > > A floppy diskette is 8" in width. > A mini floppy diskette is 5.25" in width. > A micro floppy diskette is 3.5" in width. The *first* micro floppy was 3" in width. Yes, you heard me correctly. Amdek designed and built a SSDD 3" floppy drive around 1983-84 (or so... I'll have to look) that used it's own style of media (and it was flippy, unlike the 3.5" of today) and they interfaced it to and marketed it for two computers that I know of: The Radio Shack (Tandy) Color Computer, and The Atari 800. So far I've seen 2 Atari units for sale on the forsale newsgroups in the last 9 months or so, and altho I've never seen the CoCo version (on sale or anything) I have a color magazine ad advertising the system that I could scan in if I ever find the time... ================ Also, in the grand naming scheme above, just *what* would you call a 2" floppy? Yessireebob, a 2" floppy! I *own* one of these drives... they were used in the Zenith MiniSport 8088-based IBM/clone laptop. Cute little rascals... someday I'll take a pic or two and scan 'em in... Specs: 2" floppy, 80 Track, DSDD 720K formatted storage capacity. (I don't know the TPI or anything... may look into that if possible...) I hope this helps to enlighten folks just a little bit more... Have a Golfy Day! "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* zmerch(a)northernway.net | be your first career choice.

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Seeking.... (this week)

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

To fill a gap in the Heathkit section of my collection: Heath (H10?) Paper Tape Reader/Punch unit. Any out there??? -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Generations and Hard/Soft sectoring

by idavis＠comland.com

>WOW 1's and O's - you where lucky! I had to use l's and O's. >Of course I cheated and wrote out all my code long hand - that was when >I was back in Egypt. I am sure you've seen some of my code 8-) > You had 1's AND 0's? Back in my day, we only had 0's, and we liked it. I tried to get my parents to buy me some 1's, but they were just too much. Actually, I am 28, and learned to program in basic. I am just now taking the time to learn assembler on my atari 800. I have wanted to learn for the last 14 years, but I think that some of the latter experience that I have gotten has made it to where I think I can tackle assembly language. In the "old fart" category, I just helped my next door neighbor get his first computer, a classic of course, and he is in his early 60's. He's pretty excited, and so am I. While we are on the subject of disks, I got a bag of 5 1/4" disks from a friend, and they are mostly DSHD. I have been able to format most of them, but there are a select few that my Atari SSSD drive will not format. Do you think that I could format them with a different machine, or pass them under a magnet and get them to where my atari could format them? I hate to throw them away, and I'm not that technical when it comes to magnetic properties and such. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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Aquisitions

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

Well, the weekend has just started, and I've made yet another haul of program tapes for the Timex-Sinclair, this time mostly business applications. This brings the total number of original T/S-1000 and ZX-81 tapes to 12, with a total of 20 original tapes of all types! Some of them will run on the 2k machine, while most require the 16k expansion. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, and Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128, C128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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Hard/Soft sectoring

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| What - you had an assembler? I have to toggle in ones and | zeroes. Before that we didn't even have zeroes and I had | to use the letter 'O'. Y'know, that's not far from the truth. I was looking at some of my old Teletype listings the other day and realized it had a line through the O instead of through the 0, therefore it really did look like we were using O's for zeroes! | Tim. (selling his last of seven IMSAI's to a museum next week...) Whew, I guess I just got under the wire there! See ya Sunday... Kai

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I wish I lived in MA.

by idavis＠comland.com

Just browsing through the newsgroup, and if anyone lives in or around Cambridge, MA. Here's a good deal for the weekend. Hope this helps someone. I really wished I lived there. I wonder if I could drive there >from Austin, TX and make it in time. Oh well, maybe next time. ======================================================== Subject: Atari 800 System/Software Giveaway at MIT From: remler(a)ll.mit.edu (Rick Ferranti) Date: 1997/04/18 Message-Id: <remler-1804970826170001(a)macferranti.atc.ll.mit.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit I have a complete Atari 800 system -- the 800 with 48K RAM, 810 disk drive, 1020 printer/plotter, P:R: Connection serial interface, joysticks, paddle controllers, cables, power supplies, and all original documentation. With this system comes many business programs and zillions of games, many still in their original boxes with documentation. Plus many indexed reference articles from the old 8-bit Atari magazines. The system is in excellent, working condition. I'm "selling" the package at the MIT Radio/Computer flea market on Sunday, April 20th, corner of Albany and Main Streets in Cambridge, MA. Doors open at 9:OO a.m. If you can tell me a good story on what you'd use this thing for, it's yours for the taking! Look for a beige '92 Camry. -- Rick ======================================================== With the diversity of people in this maillist, a good story should be pretty easy to come by. If anyone gets it, be sure and let us know "the story". Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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Extra Stuff

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 22-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >I'll take the 1000. I have a 68000 chip sitting around from my old Amiga and >the drives are pretty easy to find. If it's still available let me know what >the shipping is. Lou, Just email me your address, and I'll figure out what the postage will be. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, and Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128, C128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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Apple Lisa...?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| - Has the copy protection on original system disks and program disks ever | been cracked? (for those that don't know, the first time an original | disk is used in a Lisa, it apparantly stamps the disk with its serial | number, preventing other Lisae from using it). You need to find someone with an un-installed set of Lisa diskettes and copy them with an Option Board. Kai

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Double-density floppy availability

by idavis＠comland.com

At 10:18 PM 4/17/97 -0800, you wrote: >> While we are on the subject of disks, I got a bag of 5 1/4" disks from a >> friend, and they are mostly DSHD. I have been able to format most of them, >> but there are a select few that my Atari SSSD drive will not format. > >Yeah, well, I wouldn't trust the HD ones you did manage to format. >It just isn't worth the risk when double-density floppies are >still readily available. > >Are people finding it hard to get double-density floppies? I have >access to several thousand new-sealed-in-boxes up here. If you've >been unable to find any, let me know and I'll ship ship out some >boxes. > >Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca) > > I will try to find some locally. I definitely don't need more than a couple hundred, if that many. I have some old work of mine that I would hate to loose. I have had these disks since the early 80's, and they all seem to be in perfect condition, but you never know when they will go bad. Anyone have any suggestions, of places to go to get boxed SD or DD floppies in bulk? I will start looking around, and if I find a place, I will post it. Thanks for the advice about the HD floppies being different than DD or SD. I will definitely reserve those for scratch disks. That was exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks for the help. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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Hard/Soft sectoring

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

On Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:02:43 -0800, Mr Shoppa graced us with these words of wisdom: > What - you had an assembler? I have to toggle in ones and > zeroes. Before that we didn't even have zeroes and I had > to use the letter 'O'. Ah, good lad! I understand that in some parts of the world the use of the numeral "0" (zero) is still regarded as heresy. You may have saved your life that way. ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum/ | ICBM: N42:21 W71:46 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

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Hard/Soft sectoring

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

On Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:23:30 -0400, this arrived on the list from the esteemed Mr. Allen Underdown: > In the olden days of magnetic floppy media, there was a sector hole > FOR EVERY SECTOR located around the hub of the floppy. All very well and good, but there's that one extra you forgot about. ;-) Yes, hard-sectored disks _do_ have a hole to denote the beginning of each sector, but to indicate the beginning of a _track_ they use two adjacent holes. In soft-sectored disks, the single hole serves to signal the beginning-of-track; the individual sectors are defined via headers recorded during the format operation. > God I love reading this list! With all due respects to Mr. Mel Brooks: "Ditto!" ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum | ICBM: N42:22 W71:47 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

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On Generations of People and Computers

by David_A._Vandenbroucke＠hud.gov

>I'm seriously outside of =20. more like =20 +25(next week). Me too. I'll hit 43 in June. --Dav david_a._vandenbroucke(a)hud.gov

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Extra Stuff

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

Here are a few extra things I need to part with to make space: 1) TI-99/4A, silver/black, with power supply. No RF modulator. works great....$15 + shipping 2) Amiga 1000, main unit only..no keyboard. Bad floppy and missing the cover which goes over the RAM expansion on the front of the unit. Also is missing the 68000 CPU. This system is said to have worked ok, but I bought it for it's keyboard and it is just sitting here. I really hate to trash it, so anyone who is interested can have it for the cost of the shipping. An interesting thing about it is that it, like all A1000's, has the underside of the upper casing 'signed' by all it's designers, including Jay Miner. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, and Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128, C128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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FAQ

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 20-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >Interestingly enough, the article also mentions advances >in "vertical recording techniques." One of the companies >listed was supposed to be introducing a 5 1/4" disk that >could hold approximately 6.5 megs of data. Anything >ever come of this? Supra sold a 5-1/4" floppy drive for the Atari ST that would hold 10meg on a disk, though the drive used a laser to track the head position, and the disks were special and had special markings on them to allow the laser to track where it was on the disk. I had one of these drives at one point, but could never locate any disks for it. Jeff Jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, and Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128, C128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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On Generations of People and Computers

by BigLouS＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-04-14 22:27:40 EDT, you write: > > >Is everyone else in their 20's and 30's? Anyone seriously outside of=20 > > >this range? > > I'm seriously outside of =20. more like =20 +25(next week). Lou

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[Fwd: old computer "junk"]

by prp＠ichips.intel.com

Here is an unfortunate opportunity - maybe someone here can help. Paul Pierce

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CLASSICCMP digest 25

by mhop＠snip.net

> I have a box (about 250-300) of hard-sector 5=BC" > disks. Anyone interested??? Sell/trade/??? What are "hard-sector" disks? Not the same as a 5.25 floppy? mhop(a)snip.net

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CLASSICCMP digest 25

by amsentry＠microweb.com

At 20:51 4/16/97 -0400, you wrote: >> I have a box (about 250-300) of hard-sector 5=BC" >> disks. Anyone interested??? Sell/trade/??? > >What are "hard-sector" disks? Not the same as a 5.25 floppy? > mhop(a)snip.net > > hard sewctore means that there are 13? holde in the disk for the drive led to read to determine where a sector starts. A soft sectore disk hs one hle (like the IBM type disks used today. A popular user of hard sector disks was NorthStar Computers. John ***************************** John R. Sowden ***************************** *American Sentry Systems, Inc. * * 1221 Andersen Drive * * San Rafael, CA 94901 * * Voice (415) 457-2622 * * FAX (415)457-2624 * * amsentry(a)microweb.com * *****************************

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CLASSICCMP vintage folk

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

>>Is everyone else in their 20's and 30's? Anyone seriously outside of >>this range? Seriously? Your regular poster, Larry Anderson, was originally looked upon with suspician because he had an Amiga in addition to his C=64's and PET's. Time proved his sincere appreciation of classic models. HE's in his 30's, my age can't be taken seriously. Diane Hare/MS.HARE San Andreas, CA snotmyfault -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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Hard-sector floppies

by bm_pete＠ix.netcom.com

I have a box (about 250-300) of hard-sector 5?" disks. Anyone interested??? Sell/trade/??? _______________ Barry Peterson bm_pete(a)ix.netcom.com Husband to Diane, Father to Doug, Grandfather to Zoe now and to Tegan at 10:23 a.m. on April 13th!!! (7lbs. 2oz., 19", lots of dark hair, and HEALTHY!)

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Anyone have any info on the Atari Microbox???

by davidv＠cs.mun.ca

I recently came across a picture of a Atari Microbox on a Classic Computing homepage and was wondering if anyone was lucky to come across any of the prototypes in their travels. Any info would be appreciated, Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Vincent davidv(a)ganymede.cs.mun.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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pc jr keyboard codes

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

When I first broached the idea of making my palmtop talk to a PC JR keyboard, someone on this list mentioned they knew where to find the keyboard codes the Peanut keyboard generates. Since I've had no luck finding this data in web searches, could that someone please let me know where to find this info? -Jim -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com -- By Caffeine alone my mind is set in motion. Through beans of java thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes. The shakes become a warning - I am in control of my addiction! By Caffeine alone my mind is set in motion. Adapted from the Mentat chant of _Dune_

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pc jr keyboard codes

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 14-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >When I first broached the idea of making my palmtop talk to a PC JR keyboard, >someone on this list mentioned they knew where to find the keyboard codes the >Peanut keyboard generates. Since I've had no luck finding this data in web >searches, could that someone please let me know where to find this info? Jim, What are you referring to as a 'peanut' keyboard? The only PC Jr. keyboard I've seen in use, and I have one here though no PC Jr., is the one that has the two IR leds on the rear, an RJ-11 type jack, and a space for 4 'AA' batteries. How many different keyboard types were there for the Jr.? Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kayro 2X, Osbourne Executive, Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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pc jr keyboard codes

by marcw＠lightside.com

> When I first broached the idea of making my palmtop talk to a PC JR keyboard, > someone on this list mentioned they knew where to find the keyboard codes the > Peanut keyboard generates. Since I've had no luck finding this data in web > searches, could that someone please let me know where to find this info? > > -Jim > -- I've got a program that comes with NCSA Telnet called SCANCHEK so one can check the scan codes of their keyboard. I've had to use it a few times to get some programs to recognize my Tandy 1000's F11 & F12 keys which are different from IBM's. If you don't find the info I can send it to you or you can download all of NCSA Telnet from SimTel. Marc -- >> ANIME SENSHI << Marc D. Williams marcw(a)lightside.com (finger at: marcw(a)mail.lightside.com) marc.williams(a)mb.fidonet.org

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On Generations of People and Computers

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

On Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:58:15 +0100, Kevan is rumoured to have said: > [On Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:24:34, PEC wrote:] > > Is this a generational thing? My first computer exposure what to a > > mainframe in the late 70's, but my first computer was an 80's micro. > > Are people in the 40+ age group more likely to have fond memories > > of minis? > > I think there will be a strong corrolation here. Oh come on, guys. I'm not _that_ old :-) (36). One of the reasons that I cherish the minicomputer architectures is, admittedly, nostalgia, but the other reasons include the fact that they're very servicable (frequently with off-the-shelf components) and they provide a wonder tactile sense of the essence of computing. Few things compare to hand-assembling programs, entering them in binary via a front panel, and having them work. Also, the average minicomputer is simple enough to understand its' inner workings at a gate level; this makes minis admirable teaching tools. > I started my computing on my older brothers ZX80, I was 13 at the > time. Thus I was brought up on the home computer boom of the early > eighties. I was a bit of a "late bloomer" when it comes to computing. I was always interested in the machines, all the way from early childhood, and was lucky enough to have relatives with contacts at MIT and Harvard. I got to see some wonderful stuff then (even played Space- war on Harvard's PDP-1!) but never got to do any programming until my second year of secondary school in the late '70s. The first machine I programmed on was the Nova 840 I have in my collection now. The machine I "cut teeth" on in a hardware sense was an Inter- data Model 3, in my third year of ss. Although I bought a VIC-20 (for the princely sum of (US)$300) in 1980 (?), I never really "took to" the micro- architectures (it might also have been that they were so _slow_ compared to the PDP- 10s I was working on at the time). I think I still have the VIC around someplace. Cheers. ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum/ | ICBM: N42:21 W71:46 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

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On Generations of People and Computers

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

> >Is everyone else in their 20's and 30's? Anyone seriously outside of=20 > >this range? > > > >--pec > >------------------------------------------------------------------------= > -- > > > I'm outside that range, and I am serious! > _______________ > > Barry Peterson bm_pete(a)ix.netcom.com > Husband to Diane, Father to Doug, > Grandfather to Zoe now and to Tegan at 10:23 a.m. on April 13th!!! > (7lbs. 2oz., 19", lots of dark hair, and HEALTHY!) I've been watching that .sig for a while now. Congratulations! On topic: Well, I'm outside of that range too, but on the other end. -- Ben Coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu 530 User anonymous access denied. http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley/classic for my classic game page!

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by dastar＠crl.com

Well, today was a rather good day out at the swap meet, my first excursion in a couple years. It started out slow. The first thing I found was one lowly Atari 2600 PacMan cart sitting amidst some guy's junk. For some reason I thought I would buy it (?) thinking maybe I didn't already have PacMan (whatever) and it went like this: Me: How about a quarter? Him: 1 dollar. Me: A quarter? Him: 1 dollar. Me: How about 50 cents? Him: ok. Anyway, it got way better. Walking along I found a beautiful little TimexSinclair 1000! At least I'm am darned sure it is, because the label is missing on the top but the bottom has a stamp which has "CEC8E4TS1000R1" in it. There is also a sticker with a serial number and "Model M330" on it. Anyway, I've never actually seen one, but have been looking for one for years! And finally its mine! MINE! Haven't tested it yet but I'm sure it works. Its in good condition. Could someone who has one describe theirs so I can figure out exactly what I have? I know there were different varieties of the TS1000. Mine has an Ear and Mic jack on the side. What the hell are those for? Oh, duh, just figured it out...data recorder. Never mind. You know how hard it is to find a 9V DC power source with a 1/8" headphone jack? I looked all over the meet for one, finally found one but the seller wanted three bucks for it so I passed. I can't encourage that kind of larceny :) So continuing on I found some more Atari 2600 carts I didn't have, and then I found an original IBM PC/XT. The guy wanted $50 but I promptly talked him down to $7. What a steal. Haven't tested it yet but it "looks" like it will work :) Now I want the Original IBM PC and a PC Jr. The funny thing is, I paid more for 9 Atari 2600 games ($11 in one case) than an entire PC. So moving forward, I found someone selling a Macintosh 512K. Cool, I'd been wanting to add a classic Mac to my collection for some time. But this one was missing the keyboard and mouse. They only wanted $20 for it. I tried talking them down but they didn't want to move. Later I found someone selling a complete Mac+. Now this one I know was hot. At first they wanted $50 but I talked them down to $15 (I used the "It's all the money I have right now" ruse, except in this case it was true). I really wanted to get the other Mac, because it was closer to the original Macintosh, but this one was more complete, so I got it instead. Now, I don't want to disparage the fine folks of Oakland, California, but as I said before, I'm most positive this system was hot. They were too willing to dump off a perfectly good Macintosh (at least I think its perfectly good, haven't tested it yet) for too little money. Later on when I was going through the software I got with it I found some BMUG disks (BMUG = BayArea Macintosh User's Group). So I'll be contacting BMUG to see if any of their members "lost" a macintosh within the last couple months, and if I find a match I'll sell it back to them for what I paid. (I'm such a nice guy, eh!?) Throughout the day I saw a LOT of Nintendo consoles, carthridges and accessories (not classic enough yet). I'm sure in 5-10 years when I inevitably start collecting Nintendo crap I'll be wishing I had picked up a lot of this stuff. Oh well, maybe when I have enough money to buy all the truly classic stuff I want and THEN some cash left over for the common tripe, I'll start collecting nintendo. So anyway, at the end of the day I ended up with an IBM PC/XT (original), a MacintoshPlus, a TimexSinclair 1000 (yeah!) and about 25 more atari 2600 carts, plus an intellivision cart and a TI/994a cart. Total bill: $45. Not bad. And I'm still under my budget of $100 per month for classic computer collecting (I just implemented that budget, but I think it may be too high. I tend to get carried away when collecting old computer stuff and, if left unchecked, would buy everything I came across. As it is I just may go back for that Mac512K.) Now I just need to keep my new booty hidden from my fiance. If I can offer any tip to would-be flea market bargain hunters: haggle. Start way low and work up. Some people don't even know what they're selling, and think just because it's a computer (computer = high tech) it must be worth big bucks. You have to slap them around a bit until they come to their senses. No common system console (ie. Vic20s, Atari 2600s, etc) should go for more than $10 ($15 at the VERY most). No game carthridge should go for more than $.50 (IMO, unless you REALLY want it, then NO more than $2.00 each). What do you all think? Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 13-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >The PSU is very similar electrically (although I think it's 114W, not >135W, or something). Mechanically it's very different. That's certainly not much to be running everything including the monitor off of. One would think that with the addition of that CRT that they'd have upped the power a little. >It's worth doing - 41256's are trivial to obtain (off old 286 memory >boards if nothing else!), and it takes about 5 minutes. I did it to my >portable the day I got it... What about the other chip you said needed to be put in...how hard is it to locate? It doesn't sound like the process would be terribly hard. >No idea, I'm afraid. Does CP/M 86 run on an XT? (I beleive a few things >wouldn't) - the portable is really an XT (and not a PC) system. I've since learned that no, CP/M-86 will not run on an XT! Which is too bad considering I have the full packages of both it and Concurrent CP/M sitting here and the 5155 is the only machine that's even close to what's needed to use it. Oh well! Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kayro 2X, Osbourne Executive, Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 11-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >In case you've not spotted it, most of that machine is built from standard >IBM parts. Yes, I had noticed that it appeared to be made out of standard looking parts, though the PSU was different than the XT's, as I have an extra XT PSU here I was keeping around just in case I ever had a project, such as external drives or such, that needed one. I had forgotten how much the very early XT keyboards left to be desired though! >If you want 640K without wasting a slot, here's what to do : Thanks for the info on the MOD! It likely won't be done anytime soon, but it's a good thing to know about. About the only thing I plan on doing right away is adding a serial port to it. Since you seem rather knowledgable of the system, do you know why it won't boot into CP/M-86 ver 1.1, but continues into the BASIC ROM after it checks the drive? Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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Hewlett-Packard HP125 Keyboards

by dcobley＠island.net

Hi all. I'm pleased to report that the Xerox 16/8 system I offered for adoption here, has started its lengthy journey to it's new home in North Carolina, and the Kaypro Service manual is on its way to Oregon. Now its my turn to ask for help. Some time ago, at our local Thrift store, I bought two Hewlett-Packard HP125 Display units. They contain the monitor and CPU for these CP/M units and I have a good collection of suitable peripheral drive units. I only paid $2:50 each for the Display units. And they seem to work OK but I really can't be sure until I get keyboards. I also have a set of boot disks for them. But I have no keyboards. I understand the same keyboard was used with the H-P 26xx series of Terminals. Does anyone have one or two suitable keyboards they'd be willing to sell to me? My e-mail address is listed below. Thanks and cheers, David Cobley. Fidonet on the ADAM, CP/M Tech and Hewlett-Packard Echoes. Internet-dcobley(a)island.net, or, davidc(a)macn.bc.ca

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pc jr keyboard codes

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 14-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: > The "Chicklet" style keyboard (my friend had a PCjr with one) are very >rare, as IBM quickly realized its mistake in actually making that type of >keyboard (and was one of the worse keyboards (for touch typists) ever made >by IBM) and came out with the new style keyboards. Thanks for the info. The one I have appears to be the 'chicklet' one. Now I just have to get a PCjr to go along with it! Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kayro 2X, Osbourne Executive, Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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by jeffh＠eleventh.com

Sam, The transformer with my TS-1000 shows an input (to the computer) of 9.75V DC. Both my TS-1000 and Sinclair ZX-81 seem to be picky about TV's and the shielding of the cable. As for identifying marks, from your previous post, the only thing my TS-1000 has on it is the FCC ID# CEC8E4TS1000R1. Otherwise, there's no mention of the number you mentioned...just the sticker on the top 'Timex-Sinclair 1000'. The box and such doesn't give any indications to other identifiers either. Hope this is of some help. Jeff Jeffh(a)eleventh.com P.S. the Aquarius went out to you today UPS -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kayro 2X, Osbourne Executive, Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 13-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >Quite apart from the fact that the machine should be kept original. After >all, it's one of the few portables for which a real techref is >available... And that's exactly what I intend to do with it. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kayro 2X, Osbourne Executive, Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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How did you get started?

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 11-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >I remember demonstrating my Tandy CoCo-3 in 1988 to some PC-goon or >other. He had a 386 PC running MS-DOS. I had a 2 mHz 6809 running OS-9. He >was totally amazed that 'that little video game' could have several >programs running at once, displaying their output in different windows >(something his PC didn't do at that time), and that I could even log on to >my machine from a remote terminal. I still want to find a disk system for my CoCo-3 so that I can run OS-9 on it. OS-9 is still amazing to this day, which is why any number of companies use it for the base OS for cutting edge stuff such as set-top boxes for the TV. Until I saw it, I would've never thought you could put a Unix-like OS witch was multitasking and multiuser on a 128k 8bit machine! I've heard mention of there being a version that runs on the Commodore 128 as well, but haven't been able to find anything out about it. >I don't play computer games that much, but IMHO the games from 10-15 years >ago are much more fun than the modern ones. OK, so now we have 3D rendered >graphics, real sound effects, but no 'plot' - nothing to do except blast >everything in sight. I personally prefer a good text-only adventure with >some logic behind it, and no sound. I agree. The excitement just isn't there, even though the technology is years ahead in graphics and sound. About the only game I've enjoyed recently was a 3d bitmapped update of 'Asteroids' on the Mac, which I play on my Amiga 3000 under emulation. I'm also a big fan of INFOCOM's text adventure games, as well as the Basic 'Star Trek' game that seems to have been ported to nearly every platform known. I have a number of original disks for my Atari and Commodore's that have the INFOCOM games on them. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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by jeffh＠eleventh.com

Well I went out yet again today and found a really nice IBM 5155 Portable PC at the local Salvation Army thrift store. I picked it up and brought it home, and it works like a champ! The only DOS I had for it though was either CoronaDOS 1.25 or 2.11, and both booted fine on it, though I can't get either CP/M-86 or Concurrent CP/M to boot on it. This is an interesting machine considering it has the full 8 expansion slots in the rear! I think it will make a nice addition to the Osbourne and Kaypro portables I already have, though I hadn't planned on adding a PC to the collection at all. Now all I have to do to round out the portables is find a Commodore SX-64 some day for a good price. BTW, the IBM has a whopping 256k of RAM. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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How did you get started?

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Mr. Paul E Coad spake thusly unto us: > This raises the question of how people got into this hobby. Was it > a single event or something which happened over time (with or without > you being aware of it?) Well, I'm not sure whether there was a single event that got me started (other than an offer of my original Nova 1210), but I can honestly state that there was an event that made me get serious about the preservation of older machines. That event was my missing the acquisition of a PDP-15 by about a half-hour in 1987. I had expressed an interest in the machine, and was told that it was going to scrap _very soon_, so I should grab what I wanted. I was going to try and make arrangements to get the machine picked up (it was fully configured and quite large) and get the machine home. I arrived (hurriedly) to do an initial disassembly and triage on the system, only to find that the bone man had come earler in the hour, and all that was left of the system was an empty space where it once was. I knew then that -15s weren't very common, and when I realised that the count had just dropped by one, I was fairly beside myself. Other than that anecdote, I've been collecting for about 10 years or so; my stash is fairly well focussed on minicomputers, although I do have the odd micro here and there. Minicomputers are where I desire to keep my energies, especially those of DG manufacture. With DG, at its' peak, being only 1/5 the size of DEC those machines are pretty hard to come by nowadays. Any leads, of course, would be vastly appreciated. :-) While I'm greatly pleased that folks are preserving microcomputers, I've never felt a "bond" to that particular realm of design. I like things like time-states, core memory, and pulse-logic. I guess that makes me an "old fart". ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum | ICBM: N42:22 W71:47 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

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How did you get started?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| From: A.R. Duell[SMTP:ard12@eng.cam.ac.uk] | I wonder how many others on this list don't even own a non-classic | computer? Depends on how you define "computer". Even my surround sound processor has a 80 MHz 40 MIPS 24-bit DSP with more than 64K of RAM on-chip. Most of our cars have sophisticated engine management computers. I mentioned to my wife the other day that my Pentium Pro has more transistors (5.5M) than the entire rest of my antique machine collection and other household items put together, _including_ her Pentium machine (3.1M). Even subtracting the Pentium chip, the Pro still has enough transistors to make about 83 PC-XT's and who knows how many Altairs. On the other hand, we all still have a bunch of Z80's even if we don't collect classics. Zilog has a huge family of Z80 processors for IR remotes, keyboard controllers, IDE hard drives, PCMCIA, televisions/cable boxes, voice memo units, serial ports, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the average American owned half a dozen Z80's. Kai

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Just getting started.

by idavis＠comland.com

Speaking of getting started, my next door neighbor who is retired and in his sixties and I were talking the other day, and I mentioned that I would kill to be retired. He asked me just what I would do with my time. I mentioned that I would probably spend every waking moment on my atari writing programs. He looked interested and wanted to go take a look. He has never owned a computer, and can't afford an expensive pc, and what I showed him on my atari just blew him away. He now wants to buy an atari and get started in the world of computers. I am now on the active alert for an atari system for him. It's neat to see someone that hasn't ever owned a computer get interested especially on one of the older computers. He was even happy about the fact that you could connect it to a tv, and not have to shell out hundreds of dollars for a monitor that you can't use on anything but the computer. I think these classic computers are great to learn on and now they can be picked up for a very reasonable price. Of course, I miss being able to go down to the local store and pick up what I needed, but there are things still out there, it just takes a little longer to find. I got started when I went to visit my uncle in california in 1981 or 82. He had an atari 800, and after playing a few games, I asked him how you make a game. He pulled a sheet of paper out of the basic manual, and told me to type this in exactly as it is printed. I did, and two hours later, I had an american flag on the screen. I couldn't decide whether you just type and type and whatever comes up, you just enjoy it, or if these people actually knew what they were doing. Before I had even received my atari, I had magazines laying around, and had just about figured out how to program before I had even gotten the machine. I bet I really pissed off that u.p.s. guy stopping him every day asking if I had a package. That started my career in computers, and now I program for a living. I still own my atari, and use it often. I didn't start as a classic collector, I started as a classic user, but through time I have ended up as a classic collector. If anyone comes across an atari, or atari equipment that they don't want, I will be more than happy to give it a good working home. To me it feels like stepping into a time machine and rolling back the clock to my high school years to be able to sit down and use my old machines. Of course, back then I didn't have any bills, and had 3 months off in the summer. Maybe that's why I keep using my atari. Isaac Davis : Doing the bull dance. idavis(a)comland.com : Feeling the flow. indavis(a)juno.com : Working it. Working it.

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by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 11-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >I assume you realise that a CoCo2 disk drive + controller will work. >That's what I currently use. Actually, it's just that I've not run across the drive and/or controller yet. I recall seeing the items years ago on the clearance shelf of a local Radio Shack, and could kick myself for not picking them up...then again, I didn't have a CoCo at that point either. It brings to mind that I saw a whole bunch of TRS-80 bus mice for the Model 2000 at the military exchange in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba about 1990 or so...long after they became hard to find here in the U.S. I had just gotten rid of my Model 2000, so didn't bother picking any of them up either. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 12-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >Hmmm. Y'know, if that portable really is built up from a standard PC >motherboard with the video connector in a card slot, you could (if you wanted >to) change the motherboard for a newer one and have all kinds of fun. The biggest hurdles would be the 8-3/8" CRT (measured bezel-bezel) and the power supply inside. If one wanted to upgrade the CRT as well, you'd have a hard time finding a modern one to fit, or you'd have to go with an expenisve LCD, which would destroy the appearance that it was still the orginal machine. Also, given that most XT-clones tended to ship with 135-150W power supplies, and the early IBM's shipped with even less, you'd have a hard time running a newer board on one. I tried a few years ago with a 386DX-40, and it didn't like it at all! >Yeah, I know this is a collecter's item probably, but with PCs upgrading is >my first instinct. I don't even want to talk about how much that's cost me >over the years. Your idea isn't any worse than turning the orginal Mac's into aquariums, which seems to have a bit of a following! At least you're talking of keeping it a useful computer. I know the feeling about the upgrade-mania though...it's one of the things that turned me away from the PC, though I have two now, including the portable. Jeff Jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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How did you get started?

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 11-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >The Full-screen editor & other stuff were in 10K Rom, with the Basic in >another 8K Rom, totalling 18K. I wasn't aware that the editor for Basic was in the OS Rom...I stand corrected. Still, to think that the game cartridges either were confined to the 8k space or they somehow bankswitched to allow larger programs, I find interesting. >Of course, there were 3rd party upgrade boards that would up the memory to >256K to be used as a Ram drive or as a printer buffer... How many people >you know nowadays who are hacking their 486/Pentium machines to be able to >use over 5x more memory than it's supposed to??? A friend of mine had his Atari 800 upgraded to 128k I believe. It required a bit of soldering on his part to incorporate the bankswitching scheme the manufacturer used. He also had a 'Happy' chip and any number of other things added to it as well, having bought the machine new in the early 80's and continued to use it for quite a few years. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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Osborne withdrawal !

by classicjr＠juno.com

Help! I was promised an Osborne Executive a couple of weeks ago and was getting psyched up to get it for nothing other than the shipping costs, then at the last minute the guy said his wife wanted him to keep it. Anyone else have an Osborne they can part with? I have never owned one and would love to get it and pamper it. Any model will do, just would like it to be in good working order and in good physical shape. Any diskettes would be appreciated also. Thanks!! Jeff R. in Texas rottman(a)juno.com

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How did you get started?

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 11-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >When I look at the software (and hardware) of 10-15 years ago, I realise >how far _down_ we've gone since then. Very well put Jim! I know my Amiga 3000, which is my everyday system, doesn't fit into the realm of this group (being roughly 6 years old), but it is far superior to modern systems when it comes to usability and efficiency. That is one of the reasons I appreciate the early micros so much....it's amazing what was done by programmers and such in such tight constraints. Take for example the Atari 800...this is a 2mhz 6502 cpu with 48k RAM and a full Basic, with full-screen editing, in an 8k ROM. This system amazes me at the animations and such I've seen on it at times. It's version of Frogger is great, and I typed in a Basic program from 'Compute!' that displayed the Atari logo with 128 colors onscreen at once. I think modern day systems could still learn quite a few things from the earlier ones. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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Bernoulli Drive

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Our local Goodwill has an old Bernoulli drive. Looks like a dual drive that takes two 10 meg disk (or was it 5 meg?) cartridges that are about 10" square. Includes 1 disk. Anyway if this sounds interesting to someone, I could snag it and ship it for cost. (probably $5 + shipping) Greg

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Classic Computer Available

by dcobley＠island.net

Several weeks ago, through a contact made here, I offered my Xerox 16/8 system to a fellow Canadian who lives in Saskatoon, and to whom I had previously shipped a set of manuals for the TRS 80 Model 16. I never heard if they arrived. And I can't get a reply to an e-mail from him so I'm assuming he's incommunicado or uninterested. So - I'm going to follow the suggestion made by our worthy founder and offer it here. I wish to dispose of my Xerox 16/8 system which is just sitting idle packed away in it's original cartons. I'm not interested in selling the system. It's free to whoever wants to pay the shipping charges. Can't beat the price. But it's take the lot or take nothing! It comprises:- Xerox 16/8 Professional Computer system:- 1 Display Unit. 1 Rigid Drive + 5.25" Floppy Disk Expansion Module. 1 Keyboard and Mouse. 2 Shoe boxes full of 5.25" 360k diskettes, some original, some copies, about 200 or so disks altogether. Manuals, All in original covers and in excellent condition. 1 Operating System Reference Guide. 1 Technical Reference Manual 1 CP/M 80 & CP/M 86 Operating Systems Programmer's Information Manual. 1 Operations Manual. 1 MS-DOS Operating System Programmer's Reference Manual. 1 Business Graphics Reference Guide. 1 MS-DOS Operating System Reference Guide including: 1 - User's Guide & 1 - Macro Assembler Manual. 1 CP/M 80 & CP/M 86 Operating Systems Handbook. 1 MS-DOS Operating System Handbook. 1 Business Graphics Handbook. 1 dBase II Manual. When I received the system from my vendor, last summer, I assembled it and it worked beautifully. But I needed the space in my computer room for my heavily upgraded Coleco-Adam which was my first computer. So the Xerox had to be stored away and I'm concerned it may be deteriorating in my unheated loft. So, either the Xerox continues sitting up in the loft, or someone wants it. The problem is I live on Vancouver Island which means that shipping these 4 heavy cartons, 3 for the computer and 1 for the books and disks, could be expensive. Even by bus. That's how they came to me from Vancouver. I weighed each of the four packages that comprise the Xerox and it worked out like this:- Expansion Module (hard and floppy drives) weighs just under 35 lbs. I called it 35# Display unit weighs just under 35 lbs. I called it 35#. Keyboard and Mouse weigh just under 10 lbs. I called it 10# And the books and disks weigh just under 40 lbs. I called it 40#. I also have a Kaypro Technical Manual covering the Kaypro 2, 2/4, 10. 2/84, 2X, 4/84, and ROBIE systems that I don't need. Anyone interested can let me know by e-mail. Cheers. David Cobley. Fidonet on the ADAM, CP/M Tech and Hewlett-Packard Echoes. Internet-dcobley(a)island.net, or, davidc(a)macn.bc.ca

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Wanted Systems

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

I can't believe you have Nova 1200's. I used a 1220 in the late 70's in high school and it was old then. Ours actually had a hard drive which was about 36" on a side, covered with woodgrain vinyl, with a capacity of a MEGABYTE!! I might still have the source to my Nova multiuser Star Trek around someplace. It was so popular it got banned from the system since it slowed everything down too much. Kai > ---------- > From: carl.friend@stoneweb.com[SMTP:carl.friend@stoneweb.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 1997 6:02 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Wanted Systems > > I've seen a certain amount of conversation as to the > appropriateness > of "For Sale" messages on the list. So long as it doesn't get out of > hand, some of the posts can be quite useful (like the one on IMSAI > switches, for instance). How about "Wanted Systems" posts? > > I'm looking to flesh out my collection of 16-bit Data General > hardware, and am looking for leads to systems, or systems themselves. > Anything in the Nova/Eclipse line is fair game, with the exception > of the 32-bit MV series (although I hope somebody is preserving > them!). > Any documentation is, of course, more than welcome. > > Thanks! > > -- > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > | | > | > | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston > | > | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA > | > | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | > | > | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum/ | ICBM: N42:21 W71:46 > | > |________________________________________________|____________________ > _| >

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Classic Computer Available

by dcobley＠island.net

At 11:11 PM 4/7/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Maybe <snif> we <snif> should<snif>n't <snif> allow <snif> posts like >this!!!! BAWWWWWWWWWW BAWWWWWWWW BAAWWWBAWWWWBAWWWWWW > >I could NEVER afford the shipping. I could probably DRIVE there and >PICK IT UP but not until summer BAWWWBAWWWWW Tell you what, if I ever get another one, I'll save it until Summer and you can drive from wherever you are and pick it up. Deal? Cheers, David Cobley. Fidonet on the ADAM, CP/M Tech and Hewlett-Packard Echoes. Internet-dcobley(a)island.net, or, davidc(a)macn.bc.ca

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Wanted Systems

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

I've seen a certain amount of conversation as to the appropriateness of "For Sale" messages on the list. So long as it doesn't get out of hand, some of the posts can be quite useful (like the one on IMSAI switches, for instance). How about "Wanted Systems" posts? I'm looking to flesh out my collection of 16-bit Data General hardware, and am looking for leads to systems, or systems themselves. Anything in the Nova/Eclipse line is fair game, with the exception of the 32-bit MV series (although I hope somebody is preserving them!). Any documentation is, of course, more than welcome. Thanks! -- ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum/ | ICBM: N42:21 W71:46 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

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It's true! (Also, Acetronic/Radofin Video Games)

by alexios＠vennea.demon.co.uk

Ok, I admit it. You really *can* find more stuff these few weeks. I went to car boot sale today and got three machines (five, were I willing to shell out for two C64Cs with a floppy drive and a PSU between them). I'm not the proud owner of a Spectrum 48k (at last!) in mint condition and a Spectrum +2A in even better shape. I actually got the +2A at half the price of the 48k -- 5 pounds for the +2A (around $7? Not sure) as opposed to 10 pounds for the 48k. There was another +2A for sale at the outrageous price of 15 pounds (at least I *hope* I heard 15 -- at that noise level, it could have been -gasp- 50). Anyway, enough about the Spectra (sic). :-) There's another find I might need a little help with. It's not strictly a computer, it's a video game (Video Entertainment System, as it says on the front panel). Specifically, an Acetronic MPU-1000. The PCB has a Radofin label on it. There are two analog joysticks with two red fire buttons and a 12 button keypad each. They're connected to the unit with spiral cable (no plugs). The controllers are designed to take overlays to give meaning to the 12 unmarked keys. I don't have any overlays, but there are four carts: Invaders, cart #1 (Olympics -- actually a more or less standard set of Pong-like games), cart #11 (Super Maze -- remember A-Maze-ing on the TI? It's very similar. Analogue control of the players is quite tricky), and cart #13 (Circus -- I haven't figured this one out yet due to the erratic behaviour of one of the controllers [read: vertical axis doesn't work properly, fire button won't]). The cartridges claim to be "suitable for Acetronic, Radofin 1292 & Prinztronic microprocessor systems". Does anyone have any ideas about this? Is it common or uncommon? The name Radofin was familiar, after a bit of research it turns out it's the company that bought the rights to the Aquarius. Any technical information would be welcome, since I can't identify either of the LSI ICs on the PCB (yes, two of them). Oh, by the way, in the highly unlikely case this is amazingly rare and the only one left on the planet (unlikely because at least another person on the WWW has one, albeit an MPU-2000), I obtained this at the silly price of 2 UK pounds. The previous owners seemed a bit amazed at the fact that someone might actually be *INTERESTED* in that piece of junk. Can't complain, really. :-) Thanks, Alexios --------------------------- ,o88,o888o,,o888o. ------------------------------- Alexios Chouchoulas '88 ,88' ,88' alexios(a)vennea.demon.co.uk The Unpronouncable One ,o88oooo88ooooo88oo, axc(a)dcs.ed.ac.uk

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FS: Misc Computers on AuctionWeb

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

I just listed a few different systems on auctionweb. This is a great place to look for stuff. Included is an Apple III, hard to find. I also have some old video game systems listed. Check them out at the links below: Channel F Game Console Bidding starts at: $2.00 Auction ends on: 04/12/97, 19:12:53 PDT http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=wwm1252 Lot of 4 Channel F Game Cartridges Current bid: $2.00 Auction ends on: 04/12/97, 19:23:06 PDT http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=omg7762 Commodore Plus 4 Computer Bidding starts at: $2.00 Auction ends on: 04/12/97, 19:30:29 PDT http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=myy11036 Lot - Texas Instr. TI-99/4A Computers & More! Bidding starts at: $2.00 Auction ends on: 04/12/97, 19:58:46 PDT http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=ggv55391 RS TRS-80 Color Computer 2, Carts, Joy, More! Bidding starts at: $2.00 Auction ends on: 04/12/97, 20:48:46 PDT http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=tdu0192 Atari 7800 ProSystem w/Game Cartridges! Current bid: $10.50 Auction ends on: 04/12/97, 21:31:20 PDT http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=fcf174 Apple III Computer System! (photo) Bidding starts at: $20.00 Auction ends on: 04/12/97, 22:55:24 PDT http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=ely44807

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How long will they last?

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 06:01 PM 3/31/97 -0800, you wrote: > >I was talking to a friend this weekend who brought >up this idea that before long EPROMs in our old >computers are going to start to go bad. This is >something I've heard before but, to be honest, I >don't know enough to make a judgement on it. If >this is the case, I suppose I should be burning >backups. > >While I'm at it... What are some other concerns >along these lines. What should we be planning >for as these machines grow 5, 10, 15 years older? Good questions all, so some comments and some thoughts. EPROMS: yes, they will forget. Being stored charge devices they will eventually start to lose the stored information. As I recall the original estimated life for stored data was 10-15 years. Punched tape (mylar preferably or paper if stored properly) may be the closest thing we have to a true "archival" medium. Electrolytic Capacitors: They dry out, or will start to ooze the electrolyte. (I address this to some extent on the 'Repair Tips & Tricks' section on my web pages) Average lifetime (of large caps such as found in power supplies) is probably 5-10 years. On machines that I restore they are (almost) always replaced before I do anything else. The very small caps found on logic boards for timing and similar circuits do not seem to be a prone to failure. Disks: depends highly on how they are stored. Should be treated similar to records. (remember those?) Store upright, loosely packed, dry but cool. Watch for oxide flaking on very old disks. Tapes: similar to disks for storage. Should be retensioned (repacked?) >from time to time. (fast forward to end, then rewind) As with disks, watch for oxide flaking. Dampness will cause some tapes to adhere to itself, and strip off the oxide when run. Had this happen to my "Standard Pack" tape for an HP-85 I obtained recently. Went to load the tape and got a read error. Manual inspection of the tape showed a 3/4 inch strip where there was no oxide at all. it was stripped away by the tape adhesion when I rewound the tape for probably the first time in 4-5 years! Card edge connectors: corrosion is common, expecially is stored in damp places or contaminated by skin oils. Can be cleaned with the classic "Pink Pearl" eraser. (Don't use the grey erasers - too abrasive!) Hmmm... probably more, but it's late and I forget... (often it seems - bad EPROM?) More later... -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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New ATARI 1040ST user needs help...

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 07-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >I picked up an Atari 1040ST today for $25 -- as is. No cables, no manuals, >no floppy disks, nothing. I figured I'd be able to build up a little >working system (if the thing still works), but need some help. >If anyone here knows of any resources for floppy disks, manuals (i.e. how >do I plug this thing in?), etc. please let me know -- I'd like to put this >computer to use in my studio -- it has MIDI In/Out, and there's some cool >software for it and one of my synthesizers that I've been meaning to check >out. The 1040ST is a nice system, but you'll need to find one of the Atari monitors for it, such as the SM-124 (very nice mono) or the SC-1224 (color). You don't need an OS disks for it, as the OS is built into ROM, and it uses standard PC 720k disks. For software and such, Toad Computers in Severna, MD is a good resource..and they even sell TOS upgrades and refurb monitors. Atari's have been their specialty for years. Hope this helps. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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Digital Microsystems DMS-3F, DEC Rainbow, TS 1000

by Bill_Opalka.INTDATA＠notes.intdata.com

>> Btw, is it true that you can't format disks on the Rainbow and need DEC >> preformatted ones instead? Actually, if you have CPM-86, you can format regular 5 1/4 floppies into RX50 floppies. The MSDOS version of the software was hindered so that it couldn't be done. /Bill

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FS: Misc Computers on AuctionWeb

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

bm_pete(a)ix.netcom.com (Barry Peterson) wrote: > <snip> > > >Ahem... If you were really interested in offering these systems to = > someone.....<snip...Snip> > > I had assumed that for sale ads were forbidden/discouraged here. I was under the impression that it was ok as long as it's not excessive. I even mentioned it in my introduction message and have seen it discussed a couple times. I believe this was my first post of this type. I don't want to make any enemies here. Sorry for any inconvenience. Greg

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New ATARI 1040ST user needs help...

by lists＠phx6.phxmedia.com

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FS: Misc Computers on AuctionWeb

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Hello, Jim Willing <jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com> wrote: >>I just listed a few different systems on auctionweb. This is a great >>place to look for stuff. Included is an Apple III, hard to find. I also >>have some old video game systems listed. Check them out at the links >>below: <<< listing omitted to save space... >>> Thanks Jim > (hoping that this does not come off sounding too rude... ((I'm going > to develop a reputation)) It doesn't (I don't think). I feel the same way sometimes. > Ahem... If you were really interested in offering these systems to someone > who might appreciate them, why not list them HERE with an asking price first > and then move to AuctionWeb (or similar) if they did not sell or you could > not get your price. Here's my situation: I enjoy searching for these old computers. Sometimes even more than toying with them. I spend a lot of time digging and driving and hauling and testing but I love it. I have saved quite a few from the landfill. If you watch the auction you will see that the items there do not necessarily sell for more than their value. In most cases, I don't even know what to ask and in quite a few I have sold them for less or as much as I paid for them. Not to mention my time and packing, shipping, etc. No, I'm not a charity. But I'm also genuinely interested in the hobby. I make a few bucks and it helps me pay my tuition. I'm a full time engineering student and am putting myself through school. I'm really working cheap. And believe me if I was back in the "real" world with a paycheck coming in every week, I'd probably give these little guys away for a song or trade them to help someone elses collection. > This message to me feels like little more than trolling for dollars... Sorry it appears that way. I really try not to post this stuff too much. Greg

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Digital Microsystems DMS-3F, DEC Rainbow, TS 1000

by george.lin＠documentum.com

Hello, Does anyone know something about Digital Microsystems DMS-3F? I saw one today. It has a built-in monitor, 2 5.25" floppy disk drives, centronics printer interface, and 4 serial ports (?) for connecting terminals I presume. If it is worth collecting then I will haul it home. I also saw a DEC Rainbow. However, it is priced at $89.95--way more than I am used to pay. Does a DEC Rainbow worth this much? I picked up a mint condition Timex Sinclair 1000 though. I have been wanting to collect it for some time. Does anyone know the polarity of its 9V DC input? I don't want to risk damaging it by reversing the polarity. Thanks in advance for any information. George -- George Lin "Accelerating your business through Network Architect, MIS enterprise document managment." Documentum, Inc. (Nasdaq: DCTM) http://www.documentum.com Inet Fax: mailto:remote-printer.George_Lin@4.3.8.6.3.6.4.0.1.5.1.tpc.int My PGP Public Key for encryption is at http://george.home.ml.org/pgp.htm

29 years, 2 months

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New ATARI 1040ST user needs help...

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 07-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: > get started. An Atari can read IBM/compatable disks (but not vice-versa) > What this means is that you can download software on your PC at > double-density (720K) and then pop the disk into your 1040ST and run it. Actually, that's not true...it was meant to be write compatible as well, but there is a bug in TOS 1.02 and below that screws up part of the format...there are plenty of utilities to fix this, or you can upgrade the machine to TOS 1.04, 'Rainbow Tos'. Fixes a lot of bugs. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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How long will they last?

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

>>I decided to seriously collect only those machinews that were built with >>standard parts. >Not a bad idea. It's been my experience that those who attempted to build >the 'perfect widget' ended up shooting themselves in the foot more likely >than not, all in the name of securing some perceived competitive advantage. >In Coleco's case, the results were disastrous. > -Ron Mitchell Wasn't the Colecovision built entirely out of "standard" parts, unlike the other systems of the day? Matt Pritchard graphics_grunt@ensemble_studios

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(fwd) Computer Shows

by bm_pete＠ix.netcom.com

Someone wondered about Hamfests, etc.: On Sat, 05 Apr 97 05:15:48 GMT, in misc.forsale.computers.other.systems valuecf(a)tiac.net (Value Computer Fairs, Inc.) wrote: > > >Value Computer Fairs, Inc. > >Visit us on the web: www.vcfonline.com > > >Upcoming Shows (NY) > >April 6th- Hofstra University > Hempstead, Long Island > > Show Hours: 9:30am - 3:00pm > Admission: $5 ($4 w/ copy of this post) > > >April 20th- Golden Gate Inn > Brooklyn, N.Y. > > Show Hours: 9:30am - 3:00pm > Admission: $5 ($4 w/ copy of this post) > >April 26th- Holiday Inn > Carle Place, Long Island > >April 27th- Holiday Inn > Ronkonkoma, Long Island > > > >Want a show in your area, e-mail us with your suggestion!!!!! > >For more info, visit our web site or call us at (800)997-Show. > >and remember WHY PAY RETAIL? _______________ Barry Peterson bm_pete(a)ix.netcom.com Husband to Diane, Father to Doug, Grandfather to Zoe now and to Tegan any day now!

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How long will they last?

by ronaldm＠mars.ark.com

>I decided to seriously collect only those machinews that were built with >standard parts. Not a bad idea. It's been my experience that those who attempted to build the 'perfect widget' ended up shooting themselves in the foot more likely than not, all in the name of securing some perceived competitive advantage. In Coleco's case, the results were disastrous. -Ron Mitchell

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Cassette Tapes Aging

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

>>How long do cassette tapes last? >> >I'm still getting data reliably off of Coleco Datapacks that I recorded >circa 1986. But I've heard there are limitations. Don't use the tapes much >any more. One person talking about this a while back claimed it was better >to store casettes vertically rather than horizontally. Never paid much heed >to that, so I don't know if it's true or not. I have just pulled out a cassette from storage that I used in high school starting late 1980 or early 1981. Besides the tape end breaking when rewinding (getting a bit brittle I guess), I was able to recover the files I wanted without a problem. (this was a tape used on a Commodore PET, not particularly the fastest tape drive on earth). I don't know anything about vertical, it's been in cassete cases and cassette binders. Larry Anderson

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Timoniom/The Goods...

by dynasoar＠mindspring.com

William's description of the goodies at the Hamfest made me envious... Is there a listing somewhere of these meets? I sure would love to go to a few. Also: anyone out there with any parts resources/docs/specs for an Amstrad PC6400DD? Got one in very good shape at a local yard sale, but am unsure just exactly how to go about fixing it up. From looking at it, seems to resemble a PCJR clone. Any help or information would be appreciated. Thanks, Kirk Scott dynasoar(a)mindspring.com

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Compucolor

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

Well, this particular unit had a color raster monitor and a 5 inch floppy drive vertically mounted in the monitor portion. Any idea which model it was. I think there were also 3 different keyboards as options for it. Matt Pritchard graphics_grunt@ensemble_studios ---------- From: Kai Kaltenbach [SMTP:kaikal@MICROSOFT.com] Sent: Friday, April 04, 1997 7:58 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: RE: Compucolor The models are Compucolor II and 8051. I recall they had vector color monitors, which are not easily replaced, which accounts for their scarcity. Note that they're on my want list. If you find one, please let me know. Kai > ---------- > From: Matt Pritchard[SMTP:MPritchard@ensemble.net] > Sent: Friday, April 04, 1997 5:11 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Compucolor > > > Hey guys, is there any information on a machine called "Compucolor" > from > the late 70's around? > > I did a search on a couple engines and came up with nothing. I'm > asking because about 3 years ago, I let a working machine slip through > my hands (I had actually programmed on that same machine back in '79) > Next month, when I go back home, I'm going to launch an effort to find > it (if it hasn't been thrown away). > > Thanks, > > Matt Pritchard > graphics_grunt@ensemble_studios >

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Compucolor

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

The models are Compucolor II and 8051. I recall they had vector color monitors, which are not easily replaced, which accounts for their scarcity. Note that they're on my want list. If you find one, please let me know. Kai > ---------- > From: Matt Pritchard[SMTP:MPritchard@ensemble.net] > Sent: Friday, April 04, 1997 5:11 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Compucolor > > > Hey guys, is there any information on a machine called "Compucolor" > from > the late 70's around? > > I did a search on a couple engines and came up with nothing. I'm > asking because about 3 years ago, I let a working machine slip through > my hands (I had actually programmed on that same machine back in '79) > Next month, when I go back home, I'm going to launch an effort to find > it (if it hasn't been thrown away). > > Thanks, > > Matt Pritchard > graphics_grunt@ensemble_studios >

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Weekend Scavenging

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

I just got back from checking out the 3 thrift stores that are just a few blocks from my house, and made quite a nice haul today, and I've yet to check the big flea market for the weekend! I picked up the following: 1) 1 TI-99/4A cassette tape: 'Tunnels of Doom', #PHT 6073, circa 1982 2) 3 Commodre 64 cassette taes: 'Software Starter Kit', tape #3, circa 1983; 'Start Programming with Gortek and the Microchips', 2 tapes, circa 1982. 3) 5 Timex-Sinclair 1000 tapes: 'The List Manager', 'The Budgeter', 'The Checkbook Manager', 'The Gambler', 'Grimms Fairy Tales'. All are circa 1982 and require the 16k RAM expansion. Also, they are all still in thier original Black/Red cassette cases. I also picked up some misc. manuals as well. I've not had the chance to try any of the cassettes out, but they all turn freely. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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Cassette Tapes Aging

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

A few days ago, I posted a note asking for peoples thoughts about starting an archive for sound file images of cassette tapes. The couple of people I've heard from were fairly possitive about it, so I've decided to take the initiative and begin one. I have a two gig hard disk connected to my Amiga 3000, and am willing to use most of it to hold such an archive. Now I'd like to ask for subscribers to this list to email me images of data tapes that they may have for ANY classic computer platform. I would like to ask you do the following when doing so though: 1) Save the image as a .WAV file 2) Try to verify that the image will restore to a usuable tape, and load and run on the computer 3) include a short text file with a description and any comments such as required hardware or key commands 4) archive the files with either PKZIP or LHA 5) don't email me more than 2 images at a time. I am open to any comments or suggestions concerning this, including suggestions on what would be a good name for the archive. I also have a 2.5gig 8mm tape drive connected to my Amiga, so it would be fairly easy to back the archive up on occassion. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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Compucolor

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

Hey guys, is there any information on a machine called "Compucolor" from the late 70's around? I did a search on a couple engines and came up with nothing. I'm asking because about 3 years ago, I let a working machine slip through my hands (I had actually programmed on that same machine back in '79) Next month, when I go back home, I'm going to launch an effort to find it (if it hasn't been thrown away). Thanks, Matt Pritchard graphics_grunt@ensemble_studios

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Vectrex (was RE: Stuff I found & WWW update)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

You can get Vectrex controllers from http://www.atari2600.com He generally has a range available, from $50 used (which is probably more than you paid for the system, but you should see the prices a complete system goes for) to $70 new in a box. BTW, you should pick up the Multicart, which has every Vectrex game ever produced in one cartridge with an on-screen menu select. See http://www.xnet.com/~skelly/multis.htm. This is the page for the guy who manufactures the multicarts, but you can also buy them from atari2600.com. You can get reproduction color overlays from http://home.earthlink.net/~mfmurdock/Vectrex/vectrex.htm. The web pointer list for Vectrex is at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/cvg/nexus/Home/Vectrex/. There is actually one person creating brand new games for the Vectrex! Kai > ---------- > From: A.R. Duell[SMTP:ard12@eng.cam.ac.uk] > Sent: Friday, April 04, 1997 2:18 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Stuff I found & WWW update > > > Vectrex Game system, looks kinda grimey and no joystick, but does > > power up with the space mines game, already found a few resources on > the > > 'net but not the pinouts for the joystick yet. > > The _service_ manual is available from ftp.csus.edu in /pub/vectrex, I > think. That contains a full schematic, and hence a pinout of the > joystick > port. If you can't find it, I'll dig out the pinout. > > I also have schematics of adapters to use Tandy CoCo and IBM PC > joysticks > with the Vectrex. If you'd like copies, I'd be happy to provide them. > > > -- > -tony > ard12(a)eng.cam.ac.uk > The gates in my computer are AND,OR and NOT, not Bill >

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Stuff I found & WWW update

by ard12＠eng.cam.ac.uk

> The _service_ manual is available from ftp.csus.edu in /pub/vectrex, I > think. That contains a full schematic, and hence a pinout of the joystick > port. If you can't find it, I'll dig out the pinout. As I've found it, I might as well post it.... Here you are : 1 Switch 0 (Push to make, connected between here and ground) 2 Switch 1 3 Swtich 2 4 Switch 3 5 Pot 0 (X direction, -5V to +5V analogue input) 6 Pot 1 (Y direction, -5V to +5V analogue input) 7 +5V 8 Ground 9 -5V The vectrex connector is a 9 pin D, but it's down a rather deep hole. A normal socket won't fit, alas. I've found the best thing to do is to buy the extension lead for a Sega control pad, cut the _plug_ off the cable, and use the socket (which fits after a bit of cutting) and cable to connect to the Vectrex. Make sure you buy a cable that connects to all 9 pins - all the ones I've found do. -- -tony ard12(a)eng.cam.ac.uk The gates in my computer are AND,OR and NOT, not Bill

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Stuff I found & WWW update

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Well in a last minute romp over to Oakdale (CA) I found a few goodies to add to my collection. A thrift store (located on F Street, FYI) had a good selection that day AND a 1/2 price sale! What I picked up: An Atari 800; always liked this machine, good resolution, fun games and FOUR joystick ports. I popped open the cartridge cover before purchasing to discover the BASIC cart ws in it. After getting it home I found it was loaded with 48k of RAM, now all I have to do is start looking for a power supply and other peripherals to go with it (if it works). Can't wait till I find star raiders and all those other cool games I saw at store displays years back. This is a divergence from my mainly Commodore collection but prices are pretty tempting nowadays... (at least there is something good about the intel/microsoft hype). Vectrex Game system, looks kinda grimey and no joystick, but does power up with the space mines game, already found a few resources on the 'net but not the pinouts for the joystick yet. A Commodore Greenline Calculator WITH the power supply. A nice compliment to the two Minutemans (a model 6 and 6X) and the rechargable one (which I have to still figure out if the rechargable batteries are still good.) What I left behind: A Commodore Plus/4 (computer, power supply and books located at various locations around the store.) I have a couple already, that should be enough. A Beige TI 99/4a (in box w/power supply, $20.) They also had an extra TI 99/4a keyboard assembly for about $5... Tandy 2000 (keyboard priced separately from CPU), then the usual monochrome monitors, Atari joysticks, etc... Also... I just uploaded some new stuff to my web page! So step rrrrright up and see the amazing Commodore Collection of Larry Anderson, a rare glimpse at a Commodore P-500 Computer, A few notes on the Commodore PET, and what happened at the last Silicon Realms BBS Gaming/Gathering! just go to: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare Larry Anderson

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Weekend Scavenging

by ronaldm＠mars.ark.com

> >Yep, it was another profitable weekend scavenging mission! You were indeed busy. :) 2. Tandy Color Computer. Boasts a whopping 4k! Fixed a broken >keyboard - now all I have to do is find some software. Is this a RADIO Shack Co-Co? If so, I have software, but I don't think any of it would run in 4k. The model I have is a 64k version. > >5. HP Series 100. This one doesn't currently work. It will >probably be a project for some upcoming weekend. Anyone know >what it is? Very strange little machine... I have 2 HP150's. If your HP100 is a forerunner, it could be constructed such that the computer and monitor are in one unit. Do you have a keyboard with it? I really have no knowledge of the earlier model you have, but there is a FIDOnet echo devoted to Hewlett Packard's equipment, and I believe there were some contacts on there who know a thing or two about the older machines. -Ron Mitchell

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How long will they last?

by ronaldm＠mars.ark.com

> >I was talking to a friend this weekend who brought >up this idea that before long EPROMs in our old >computers are going to start to go bad. According to the experts in our Coleco ADAM group, there is truth to this. Apparently computer chips generally have a tendency to fail after about 10 years. I have 4 Coleco ADAMs all roughly the same age (12 years) and I've yet to experience this problem with any of them. Unfortunately in our case 1 of the chips, the MIOC or Memory Input/Output Controller is a rarity and apparently cannot be duplicated. Most of us have been stockpiling old ADAMs in the hopes of keeping ourselves going as long as we can. (We're like Edsul owners... we refuse to give up). At any rate, I don't know of anyone in our community who has experienced the problem.... yet, but we've been warned. -Ron Mitchell

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Classic computers & home video game systems for sale/trade/wanted

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

> For Sale/Trade: > > - Kaypro II CP/M portable > - TRS-80 Model 4 > - Commodore VIC-20 in original box, power supply, some docs > - Commodore 64 in original box, power supply, manuals (plus various > accessories available) > - Commodore 128 in original box, power supply > - Atari 1200XL computer (no power supply, untested) > - Colecovision, 2 controllers, power supply, a few games > - Atari 5200, base system unit only > > Computers Wanted: > > - S-100 bus systems (specifically Altair, Imsai, North Star, Processor > Tech, Cromemco) > - TI 99/4A in original box only > - IBM 5100 portable > - Exidy Sorcerer > - Compucolor II or 8051 > - Atari 400 or 800 (not XL) > - RCA COSMAC VIP - KIM-1 > Software/Accessories Wanted: > > - Microsoft Adventure for Apple II or TRS-80 > - CP/M & any manuals/diagrams for Altair, Imsai, North Star, Processor > Tech, Cromemco, Kaypro, Osborne > - Atari 5200 controllers > - Lear Siegler ADM-3a dumb terminal > - S-100 bus cards > > Game Systems Wanted: > - Tandy VIS > - Bally Professional Arcade > - Fairchild Channel F > - Magnavox Odyssey (not Odyssey2) > - Sears Telegames Pong (not Super Pong, not Atari-branded) > - Intellivision, Sega Master System or any Atari model in original > boxes only (I already have them loose) >

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The list

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

I've been scraping this together for a few months. I though some of you might have use for it. Bill Whitson ClassicCmp "owner" bcw(a)u.washington.edu bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu --- Computers Through 1988 Part 1/3 (Manufacturers A-D) This list is compiled from various sources: fliers, magazines, ads, manuals, and price books. The information is as acurate as the original sources. The dates are probably particularly unreliable as many of them are just guesses. I have excluded most PC clones from this list. A few of the more important, or interesting PC's are listed. If you have anything to add or revise, contact Bill Whitson (e-mail bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu). MANUFACTURER MODEL CA ------------------------------------------------------------------- Acorn Model B 82 Automated Computer Systems 4040 MC 78 8080 MC 79 Z80 MCS 81 ACE Discovery 500 83 Discovery 1600 83 Actrix Computers Actrix 83 Adra Systems Model 1000 86 Model 3000 86 Advanced Digital Corp. SuperStar 84 Alcyon Alcyon 84 Alpha Info Systems Model 100 77 Alpha MicroSystems Model 680 84 Model 1000 82 ALSPA Computer ACI-1 81 ACI-2 82 Altos Computer Systems Model 580 83 Model 680 85 Model 3068 88 Model 8000 78 Advanced Micro Devices Model 96 80 Ampere, Inc. WS1A 85 WS1B 85 APF Electronics IM1 80 Apollo Computer Model 400 82 Apple Computer, Inc. II 78 II+ 81 IIe 82 IIc 85 IIc+ 86 IIgs 86 III 83 III+ 84 Lisa 1 83 Lisa 2 84 Macintosh 128 84 Macintosh XL 84 Applied Electronics Model 10 81 Model 15 81 AT&T 3B2/300 86 3B2/400 86 Atari 400 80 600 82 800 83 800XL 84 1200XL 83 130XE 84 520ST 85 1040ST 85 Mega 2 87 Mega 4 87 Auragen Systems System 4000 84 Barreto Associates MicroMaster 83 Barrington International Elite 82 Barrister Info Systems Law Office Manager 75 Basis Model 108 80 BBN Computer Corp. C60 80 C70 81 Beehive Corp. The Topper 83 Bell Computer Systems Model 4 84 Bell and Howell Model 78400 83 Model 3016 83 Berkel Systems Model 4410 74 Billings Computer Corp. System 500 82 System 6000 82 BC12 79 BlackHawk Computers BlackHawk 3 79 BlackHawk 4 79 BMC, Inc. Model 20C 81 Model 20G 81 Bondwell Computers BW2 85 BW8 86 BW12 85 BW14 85 BW16 85 BOS Systems BOS-M 81 Cyte 86 82 BTI Computer Systems BTI 4800 84 BTI 5000 83 BTI 6000 84 BTI 8000 85 Burroughs Corp. B1800 83 B1910 83 OW400 82 CADO Systems CAT III 82 System 20 78 CCG Ultra PDP 11/23 83 Ultra PDP 11/44 83 Ultra PDP 11/73 83 Ultra 11/730 83 California Computer Systems Model 1000 82 Model 3000 83 System 200 81 System 300 81 System 400 81 Callan Data Systems CD 100 81 CD 100M 82 UniStar 100 84 UniStar 200 84 UniStar 300 84 Canaan Computer Corp. 5410 85 5412 84 Canon, Inc. TX-10/15 80 Casio, Inc. FX-9000 83 Computer Consoles, Inc. Power 5 84 Control Data Corp. Cyber 18 76 Model 110 83 Computer Enhancement Corp. CE Micro 1 83 Centurion Computer Corp. Model 100 79 Model 200 79 Model 5200 82 Model 5300 82 Model 6100 83 Model 6200 83 Model 7100 84 Model 9200 84 Micro Plus 82 Century Computer Corp. System 300 75 System 400 75 System 700 75 System 900 75 Vanguard 8000 82 Vanguard 8500 82 X1000 75 X2000 75 Challenge Systems, Inc. CS1000 82 Charles River Data Systems Universe 32/115T 85 Universe 32/137T 85 Universe 32/35 85 Universe 65/115T 85 Universe 68/05 82 Universe 68/137T 84 Universe 68/35 84 Universe 2402 85 Charter Information Corp. System 4 83 CIE Systems, Inc. 680/20 83 680/30 83 680/40 83 680/50 87 680/100 84 680/150 87 680/200 84 CMC Systems SuperSystem 1 81 SuperSystem 2 82 Codex Corporation Model 268/21 83 Model 268/24 82 Model 268/44 82 Colby Computer MacColby 128 84 MacColby 512 84 Coleco Industries, Inc. ADAM 83 Colonial Data Services SB80 81 Columbia Data Products Commander 500 79 Commander 964 79 Commander FX 79 Comark Corp. Disktor M1 83 Disktor M3 83 Disktor Q 79 Commodore 655 83 128 86 Amiga 500 87 Amiga 1000 86 Amiga 2000 87 8032 79 16 84 64 82 Executive 64 83 PET 79 SuperPET 81 VIC-20 81 Plus 4 84 Compal Computer Systems 8200+ 81 Electric Briefcase 82 EZ Type 83 CompTech EVE II 85 CompuCorp Model 745 83 Model 799 83 Compupro Systems System 816/10 84 System 816/A 82 System 816/E 84 System 816/G 84 System 816/Z 84 The Computerist Focus FLEX 82 Covergent Technologies MiniFrame 86 MiniFrame Plus 86 MightyFrame 86 Cortex Systems Microdent 1 79 Microdent 2 79 Cromemco, Inc. C10 82 CS-1 82 CS100 85 CS110 86 CS115 87 CS120 86 CS200 86 CS220 86 CS300 86 CS400 86 CS420 86 CS-2 82 CS-3 83 System 100 84 System 300 84 System 0 82 CYB Systems MultiBox I 82 MultiBox II 82 Cyberchron CDS-201 79 CDS-231 83 Data General Corp CEO 81 CB/50 83 CS/5 82 CS/10 80 CS/20 83 CS/30 83 CS/40 83 CS/50 80 CS/60 83 CS/70 80 CS/100 82 CS/200 82 Eclipse C/150 79 Eclipse C/350 78 Eclipse MV/4000 82 Eclipse S/120 83 Eclipse S/130 83 Eclipse S/140 80 Eclipse S/250 83 Eclipse S/280 83 Enterprise 1000 81 Enterprise 3000 81 MPT/80 83 MPT/100 83 Nova 3 83 Nova 4 83 Datamac Computer Systems Series 1200 81 Datapoint Corp. Model 1560 82 Model 8600 81 Model 8800 81 Series 1800 83 Series 4000 83 Series 6600 78 Datavue Corp. 80/100 81 80/200 81 80/300 81 80/400 83 3000 79 DEC Correspondent 83 Datasystem 150 83 Datasystem 208 78 Datasystem 300 83 Datasystem 315 83 Datasystem 320 83 Datasystem 336 83 Datasystem 356 83 Datasystem 512 83 Datasystem 500 83 DECMate II 82 Micro/PDP-11 82 MicroVAX I 84 PDP-11/23 82 PDP-11/24 81 PDP-11/34 76 PDP-11/44 80 PDP-11/70 75 Professional 300 82 Professional 325 83 Professional 350 83 Rainbow 100 82 Rainbow 100+ 83 VAX-11/730 82 VAX-11/750 80 Deltadata Systems Corp. D8000 83 Micro Manager 83 Delta Products Inc. Delta One 83 Delta Two 83 Delta Four 83 DP/Net 83 DP/125 83 Digicomp Research System 100 81 Digidyne 5832 77 5864 80 Series 200 82 Digital Microsystems DMS-3 83 DMS-4 80 DMS-15 83 DMS-86 82 DMS-1280 83 DMS-5080 82 Digital Technology Model 580 79 Digitex Model 7100 83 Model 7200 83 Model 7300 83 Model 7500 83 Model 8100 83 Model 8200 83 Model 8300 83 Model 8500 83 Dimension Computer Corp. 1010 82 1020 82 2010 82 3020 83 Direct, Inc. Model 1000 81 Model 1025 81 Model 1031 83 Display Data Corp. Insight 74 DMC Systems Commfile 78 Docutel BCS 2025 80 BCS 2030 79 DC-M18 84 M10 84 M20 83 P6060 77 S6000 81 DTC 710 83 A22 83 B23 82 Micro 210 81 Data Technology Industries Associate 79 Dual Systems Control Corp. 83/20 84 83/80 84 83/500 84 Durango Systems Inc. 800 79 800XR 83 900 83 910 83 Dynabyte Business Computers 6600 82 6900 82 Monarch 6000 82 ---end-

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How long will they last?

by ronaldm＠mars.ark.com

> >How long do cassette tapes last? > I'm still getting data reliably off of Coleco Datapacks that I recorded circa 1986. But I've heard there are limitations. Don't use the tapes much any more. One person talking about this a while back claimed it was better to store casettes vertically rather than horizontally. Never paid much heed to that, so I don't know if it's true or not. -Ron Mitchell

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Dayton Hamvention

by wbrco＠valuenet.net

How many of the crazies that get this list will be attending? If there's enough of us, maybe we can do lunch and complain about the bland sloppy joe that's served! I know a lot of the "informal" nets meet in the lunch room, so I'm sure we could chisel out some chairs! -- | Allen Underdown - wbrco(a)valuenet.net | | Amateur Radio Operator - N0GOM, computer geek, | | homebrewer and outdoor enthusiast! | | Try My BBS at 314.939.9445! |

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Weekend Scavenging

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

Yep, it was another profitable weekend scavenging mission! The stats: New Machines: 5 New Periphs: 3 New Manuals: 2 New Disks/Software: 60+ Money Spent: $32 So... help me with this stuff! These are all machines I've never had before. 1. Franklin Ace 500. Seems to be a really nice Apple II clone. Problem is I don't have a power supply. Any chance the ratings are the same as a IIc supply? 2. Tandy Color Computer. Boasts a whopping 4k! Fixed a broken keyboard - now all I have to do is find some software. 3. Atari 800xl! Oops, I lied earlier. I used to have one and now have one again. It was new, still-shrinkwrapped! 4. Televideo 950 terminal. Seems to be a nice terminal for one of my cp/m boxes. 5. HP Series 100. This one doesn't currently work. It will probably be a project for some upcoming weekend. Anyone know what it is? Very strange little machine... Also picked up a commodore printer and 1571 disk drive. It was a good weekend ;) Bill Whitson ClassicCmp "owner" bcw(a)u.washington.edu bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu

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mitsubishi MP386 help please

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i recently acquired a mitsubishi MP386 machine; a proprietary late 1980s 386dx-16. i need to configure the hdd and monitor since it will not boot properly, but it doesnt have a standard cmos, and has dip switches in the front which i cant figure out even after trial and error. does anyone have information on this machine before i round file it? david (suprdave(a)aol.com) <!>

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In case you don't read EVERYTHING 8-)

by danjo＠xnet.com

I found these diggin' around other News Groups and thought of you guys - instantly 8-) >From: "Tom Jacobson" <trjacobs(a)wolf.co.net> >Subject: Morrow computer >Date: 31 Mar 1997 19:20:26 GMT > >This is my thir day on the "net"...really..! >I have a Morrow MD2 (2 floppy disk system) with a lot of Morrow >newsletters, original software etc. >Yes (at last check) it did work fine. >Is anyone interested in this thing. I hate to get rid of it..was my >first system. But no use in having it around. - And - >From: ninja(a)asu.edu (Jay Noh) >Subject: TRS-80 Model-100 FS >Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 01:57:24 -0700 > >TRS-80 Model 100 portable forsale. >Asking $100. >Please reply via e-mail. >-- >Jay Noh (ninja(a)asu.edu) >ASU Dept. of CSE, 5406 >Tempe, AZ 85287-5406 BC

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How long will they last?

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

I was talking to a friend this weekend who brought up this idea that before long EPROMs in our old computers are going to start to go bad. This is something I've heard before but, to be honest, I don't know enough to make a judgement on it. If this is the case, I suppose I should be burning backups. While I'm at it... What are some other concerns along these lines. What should we be planning for as these machines grow 5, 10, 15 years older? Bill Whitson ClassicCmp "owner" bcw(a)u.washington.edu bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu

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Enterprise Computers

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

This is for all of our European members. I'm interested in the Enterprise line of computers, either the 64 or the 128. How common are these machines in Europe? Would it be hard to find one? Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: The computer for the creative mind...since 1985! // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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CLASSICCMP digest 11

by classicjr＠juno.com

CLASSICCMP Digest 11 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: How long will they last? by William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> 2) Re: How long will they last? by Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> 3) Re: How long will they last? by hellige <jeffh@eleventhFrom classicjr From: classicjr Full-Name: Jeffrey G. Rottman To: ronaldm(a)mars.ark.com Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:02:47 PST Subject: Osborne Parts X-Status: Unsent X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 Ron, Did you say you have a Drive C and things for the Osborne? I might be interested. I am getting an Osborne Executive, but not sure whether the same Drive C would work on both the O1 and the Exec. Did you just want to get rid of it? I could pay shipping costs to me in Texas if it could work with the Exec. Reply here or to: rottman(a)juno.com my other Email address. Thanks!!

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How long will they last?

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 01-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >We ORIC users do exactly this -- use a PC sound card to transfer/copy those >old program tapes. Works wonderfully. You might want to take a look at the >Oric pages on http://www.ensica.fr/oric to see if any of the technology in >use there is worthwhile for your needs. I would think that all that would be needed was a standard cassette player that has both a MIC jack and a line-out jack. To make a WAV or other format recording of the data cassette, one would just plug the line out of the cassette player into the line-in on the soundcard and use your favorite recording software. You'd likely have to play with the volume to get it just right though. One would do just the opposite to create a copy of the data cassette file: plug the line-out of the soundcard up to the MIC jack on the cassette recorder. Again, it's likely one would have to play with the volume level for a bit. I used to use my home stereo system for my Timex-Sinclair's mass storage, and sometimes it got outright picky about the volume! The question then is: what sampling rate would be the best overall for this? Obviously, I don't think you'd need to use the stereo mode, but it'd be nice to keep the file size down if possible, without affecting the quality of the recording. I realize it'd be on shaky ground legally, but would any of you be interested in creating an archive of these data tape images? This would certainly ensure the programs originally provided on tape would be around much longer than the original tapes themselves. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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Laser PC-4

by classicjr＠juno.com

I have had a response to my request to find a Laser PC-4 Notebook computer from someone here, but they referred me to a reseller that has modified it by adding a larger screen and more memory, which is fine, except now it doesn't have software for appointments and a clock calendar, I don't believe. They call it a Laser PC-5. Does anyone know where I could find a real PC-4 as sold several years ago? I would be interested in a used one. Respond here or at : rotation(a)juno.com

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Mattell Aquarius (was: Re: VIC-20 Programmer's

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 31-Mar-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >Just the machine itself, unfortunately (Remember, the Aquarius was >discontinued just about the same time it hit the stores . . .) There were >promises of memory expansion, disk drives, etc., but I never saw any for >sale . . . Actually, the only piece of documentation I have for mine shows a pic of all kinds of stuff hooked to it as well as a price list for the stuff. It's pretty interesting. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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Mattell Aquarius (was: Re: VIC-20 Programmer's Aid

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 30-Mar-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >> Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >You got one too? Have you ever been able to do much with it? >(I picked up one for free at a flea market a few years back. Only about >4K, but I was able to write some simple Basic programs, and even save them >on tape, with it. . .) I've actually got two...One under the Mattel name, the other under the Radofin name. Same machine though, as Radofin was the actual manufacturer of it I believe. It's a pretty simple machine, but interesting. I've played with the Basic somewhat, but haven't tried to do much. What all do you have for the Aquarius? Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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Mattell Aquarius (was: Re: VIC-20 Programmer's

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 31-Mar-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >This was my very first computer. I still miss it to this day. I harbor >few regrets in my life but one of them is selling this system with my >atari 2600 to buy my first apple. The 2600 I've since replaced (ten >fold) and I'm sure someday I'll run into another aquarius and will have >it too, but I can never replace the programming I did on it. I had a >comic book inventory database program and I wrote seevral simple arcade >games. My setup was the aquarius with an expansion box that plugged into >the expansion slot that allowed two carthridges to be plugged in >simultaneously. This allowed a 4K memory expansion card to be plugged in >along with other game carthridges which required the increased memory. I >had a 4K mem carthridge, a couple games, keypad controllers, a thermal >printer, and two tape drives. What a fun little system. Some day I will >recoup all this gear. I just hope the kid I sold it too got as much use >out of it as I did. Sam, Sounds like quite a system. From the picture on the flyer I have, the Aquarius hooked up to all the expansion gear was quite a sight as well. As has already been mentioned, I have two base Aquarius computers, one of which is the Mattel variant which I recently picked up on a whim. Would you be interested in this machine? It's fucntional,though needs a little cleaning up. You are welcome to it...just let me know. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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Osborne Accessories?

by ronaldm＠mars.ark.com

>At 07:22 AM 3/28/97 PST, you wrote: >>I'm about to become the proud owner of my first Osborne Computer. An >>"Executive" is being sent to me next week. I can't wait to get it going. > >Congratulations. They are neat beasts. >> internal Ram >>Disk known as "Drive C" or maybe a Bios upgrade, or some software. >> >>Anyone have a source for these items now? Such as the Ram Disk or maybe a >>Hard Disk upgrade?? > >Interesting you mention the "Drive C" unit, I have on e in my collection >but no software or docs. Anyone have any info on this critter? > Yes. Where are you? I have a manual that deals with both the hard drive and the Drive "C" attachment. Also have two drive "C" units. Have never been able to get them to work properly, and the docs don't help much. At any rate, the manual is a rather thick document and unfortunately, it's not mine to lend or sell at this point. Depending on what you want to know, I could photocopy exerpts. -Ron Mitchell

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VIC-20 Programmer's Aid Cartridge

by ronaldm＠mars.ark.com

JEFF>>> At a swap meet today, I picked up 9 VIC-20 cartridges as well as one JEFF>>> program tape. Among the VIC cartridges was a 16k RAM expansion and one called JEFF>> 'Programmers Aid Cartridge' (VIC-1212). Jeff, there is a 28 page manual that comes with that cart. Following quote might help get you started: Quote: After the VIC is inserted (the cartridge) type the following: SYS 28681 (and hit the return key) The VIC will display the following message: PROGRAMMER'S AID READY All of the AID commands are now included in your VIC's internal instruction set and may be used like any BASIC commands END QUOTE The cartridge adds 20 apecial editing commands to the VIC's instruction vocabulary and gives you an easy method for re-defining the VIC's programmable function keys. the commands are: AUTO FIND OFF CHANGE HELP PROG DELETE KEY RENUMBER DUMP KILL STEP EDIT MERGE TRACE CTRL A, E, L, N, Q, U also provide additional editing functions. Function keys are assigned various jobs; ie F1 is LIST, F3 is RUN, F5 is GOTO, F7 is INPUT Of course, there is more detail as to useage and some specific examples contained in the manual. Was just trying the thing out... hoping that the HELP command would provide some syntax examples for you. Unfortunately it doesn't. The HELP command will pinpoint a syntax error in your program if you use it directly after receiving an error message. Photocopying this short manual would cost me about $5. If you'll send me the money, I'll do it for you. JEFF>>> Also, can anyone explain the reasoning behind the different color schemes JEFF>> >for the labels? I have both. Don't know why it is so. Manufacturer's perrogative? -Ron Mitchell

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VIC-20 Programmer's Aid Cartridge

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

At a swap meet today, I picked up 9 VIC-20 cartridges as well as one program tape. Among the VIC cartridges was a 16k RAM expansion and one called 'Programmers Aid Cartridge' (VIC-1212). I popped the cartridge into the VIC-20 and the computer still boots right into Basic 2.0. Is this some kind of debugging cartridge then that helps with errors and such? None of the cartridges I picked up came with the docs but the ones I've tried seem to work ok so far. Also, can anyone explain the reasoning behind the different color schemes for the labels? The Gorf and Radar Ratrace cartridges I already had both have cream cases with cream/brown/black labels. The new cartridges I got today have brown cases with silver/black labels, though some have off-white cases with silver/black lables, while one has and off-white case with a silver/gold label! All of these are from Commodore. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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Computer Listing

by MTapley＠swri.edu

Brett, I couldn't help myself (and besides, I won't have web-acess this weekend) and looked already. This is gonna be way, way, way cool. I have some minor questions/suggestions. 1) Check those features/dates/etc I posted for the Rainbow with somebody who actually knows. I have not done so, and they were just from my often-flaky memory. Some real Rainbow expert should please chime in here and set me straight on whatever I missed. 2) There actually does exist a Rainbow web site. Under construction at the moment, its url is: http://b61984.student.cwru.edu/rainbow.htm Can users just enter a link like that instead of a link to an image? Or can you add a field for that kind of link? 3) How does info get edited? Is it locked once entered (to prevent net.vandalism or well-intentioned but incorrect "corrections")? Maybe each computer web page can be changed only by emailing you, and is put under the responsibility of a single volunteer to make sure what's there is correct? Or maybe just put in an edit facility so anybody who so desires can add info? In any case, *thanks* for setting this up. I am really looking forward to browsing this site. - Mark

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Intel MDS (Microcomputer Development System)

by dmabry＠mich.com

Hello all, Just wanted to ask if anyone out there has an Intel MDS (Microcomputer Development System). That was the 8080-based system that Intel sold for developers to develop hardware and software based on their microcomptuers. It ran an operating system called ISIS-II from Intel. An interesting point of trivia is that Gary Kildall originally developed CP/M on the first 8080-based MDS called an Intellec 800. This system was based on the Multibus (a bus system developed by Intel and used in lots of industrical applications of single board comptuers). If you happen to buy a CP/M in the generic form it would run on one of those Intelled 800. Anyway, anyone who would like to discuss these systems, I'm game. I have an Intellec 800 and a Series II (the successor). I would be interested in anyone who might have for sale a set of floppy diskette controller boards for these systems. It is a two-board set and I need the double density version. Thanks. -- Dave Mabry dmabry(a)mich.com Great Lakes Maritime Institute Underwater Research Team NACD NSS-CDS #42872

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Help with Osborne 1 and TI 99/4A needed please

by george.lin＠documentum.com

Hi all, I picked up a very nice Osborne 1 from a local thrift store yesterday. The system powers up. Everything looks good. However, I don't have the boot disk. I tried the CP/M boot disk from my Kaypro II. No good. If I remember correctly, the disk drives on old CP/M machines are not compatible with each other even though the binaries are. It looks like that I need an Osborne formatted CP/M boot disk. Does anyone know where I can get one? Also, it would be nice to get a CP/M communication software on an Osborne formatted disk so that I can start transferring other CP/M software to it. In the same store, I picked up a Peripheral Expansion Box for my TI 99/4A. It comes with 1 floppy disk drive, 32K memory expansion, serial adapter, and flex cable adapter. However, the fuse and the cap that holds the fuse in place are gone. Does anyone know the specification for the fuse or know where I can get a replacement for it and the cap? Any help is greatly appreciated. George -- George Lin "Accelerating your business through Network Architect, MIS enterprise document managment." Documentum, Inc. (Nasdaq: DCTM) http://www.documentum.com Inet Fax: mailto:remote-printer.George_Lin@4.3.8.6.3.6.4.0.1.5.1.tpc.int My PGP Public Key for encryption is at http://george.home.ml.org/pgp.htm

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The Sexy ORIC!!!!

by lists＠phx6.phxmedia.com

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Insurance of your collection...

by kevan＠motiv.co.uk

Ok, what do people do about insurance of their computer collections. I guess mine is covered on the plain old house contents insurance, but the more I think about it the more I worry about a potential claim for over 60 old (and I guess in the minds of insurers, obsolete) computers. I guess insurers will want a current market value, but what is current market value for old computers? As far as I am concerned there isn't a market value and each computer is only worth as much as the person selling it wants for it, or what the purchaser is willing to pay. I have recorded the prices I have payed for most of the things I have in my collection, but some of the rarest and most valuable to me I got given for free. Other items I have payed a lot of money for, probably too much sometimes when I realy want the item. In no case have I got a reciept for a purchase. Thoughts please. -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: <URL:http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/>

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Attn: Jay Vaughan

by idavis＠comland.com

Please excuse the global post everyone, but Jay, if you could send me your email address, I will email you the fedex tracking number for your terminal. Thanks Isaac Davis : Doing the bull dance. idavis(a)comland.com : Feeling the flow. indavis(a)juno.com : Working it. Working it.

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Osborne Accessories?

by classicjr＠juno.com

I'm about to become the proud owner of my first Osborne Computer. An "Executive" is being sent to me next week. I can't wait to get it going. I have on old catalog from the "JMM Computer Products" from Auburn Washington which details many accessories and cables that they sold for the Osbornes. I may be interested in getting a Parallel Cable, maybe an internal Ram Disk known as "Drive C" or maybe a Bios upgrade, or some software. Anyone have a source for these items now? Such as the Ram Disk or maybe a Hard Disk upgrade?? BTW, I have color brochures of all three of the Osborne machines, the O1, Exec. and the Vixen that I have stashed away since the 80's. They are fun to look at once and a while.

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C Itoh Video Terminal

by idavis＠comland.com

At 12:48 PM 3/28/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hi! > >If you still have this, I would definitely have a use for it... I have about >7 Unix machines that I could use an extra dumb terminal on... > Jay Vaughan Jay, It's yours. I will try and box it up this weekend and ship it out early next week, it's not extremely heavy, but it's close. I will even see if I can get the crayon off of it. There's not much, just a little scribble, but everything works just fine on it. I don't have any cables to hook it up, just the keyboard and the monitor, but it looks like it has standard rs232 and parallel ports on the back. I knew someone could use it, and sure hated to throw it away. I have never really shipped anything(man i'm naieve), so if you want anything special fed-ex wise, email me and let me know what to do. Isaac Davis : Doing the bull dance. idavis(a)comland.com : Feeling the flow. indavis(a)juno.com : Working it. Working it.

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C Itoh Video Terminal

by idavis＠comland.com

I have a C Itoh Video Terminal model number CT101. If anyone can use it, and doesn't mind paying shipping, I would be happy to send it to them. It is in good working condition, there are some crayon marks on the side, but I'm sure they will come off. I put it into my kids room and let them hit the keys and watch the characters come up on the screen. They thought it was the neatest thing. It is nothing more than a dumb terminal, but I know some of you have mini computers and might be able to use it as a console or something like that. Just email me and let me know, or if you need more information. I live in Austin, TX. and would bring it to work if you are local and don't mind picking it up. It's nothing really special, but I hate to throw out something that someone might be able to use. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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Epic Computer

by bm_pete＠ix.netcom.com

Greetings; I've found/uncovered another computer in my garage, does anyone know anything about it? The label says Epic Computer Products, Inc. Fountain Valley, Calif. Model 2296 It measures about 9" wide, 7" high, and 14" deep (breadbox size) Most of the space is taken by 2 FH 5?" drives (Qume model 592) one drive has a disk in it which is labeled 77 tracks/side, so I assume they are 640K or 720K. The processor is a Z80A with 64KB, so my best guess is that it's a CP/M system. The back panel contains a RESET button, a TEST/NORMAL switch, a DB-25F connector with a switch labeled toCOMM EQUIP/toPRINTER, a Centronics connector labeled PARALLEL, and a couple of other "phone jack" type connectors. (I don't know the name for these connectors, but they're the same size as the one on my phone-handset connection, not the plug-in-the-wall size) One of these connectors is labeled CONSOLE, the other is labeled PRINTER SERIAL. I would like to get this thing running, but don't know how to do it, what to use, or where to connect it. Any help/info would be appreciated. _______________ Barry Peterson bm_pete(a)ix.netcom.com Husband to Diane, Father to Doug, Grandfather to Zoe now and to Tegan soon!

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Laser PC-3, 4

by johnz＠utxvms.cc.utexas.edu

>Anyone know where I could find a PC-4 ?? I saw one at a workshop 2 years age. At that time they were selling for $239.00, with a number of add on options. They are or were available from Perfect Solutions 12657 Coral Breeze Dr. West Palm Beach, FL 33414 1-800-726-7086 (407) 790-1070 John Moore

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Laser PC-3, 4

by classicjr＠juno.com

Anyone on the list ever heard of the Laser PC-3 and PC-4 Laptop computers? They were small NonDos, NonWindows computers to be used mainly as Organizers and Word Processors. They were out about 7 years ago and sold at Sears stores, etc. I sure would like to get one of those machines... Especially the PC-4, with the bigger screen. They came with a choice of Ms-Dos or Mac connection cables and Software. Anyone know where I could find a PC-4 ??

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Computer Listing

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 24-Mar-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: > After CoCos and 64s, next would be TI 99/4 whatevers, then Atari >800/400 series. I was surprised to see an Aquarius WITH expansion >module and controllers for sale a month or so ago. Larry, That certainly is interesting...I would have liked to have seen that one. I picked up a second Aquarius the other day, this one from Mattel, while my first doesn't bear the Mattel name anywhere on it, and seems to have been sold directly by Radofin Electronics. Other than the Mattel name missing from the case and ID label though, and the fact that the Radofin machine has an 'R' tacked to the end of the model number, they are identical. The third variant I've heard of, but not seen, is the PAL version sold in the UK. I don't recall it's model number, but it's model was totally different than the 5931 model of the US NTSC version. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: The computer for the creative mind...since 1985! // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex- Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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The return of the 'Mark-8'

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

(Attempting not to drop into 'blatant advertising' mode... B^} ) In preparation for an exhibit of 'Classic Computers' that I am working on with other local collectors and the Oregon Museum of Science and History (OMSI - http://www.omsi.edu) to be presented this November, we are planning to reconstruct (at least one) functioning 'Mark-8' microcomputer as originally presented in a construction article in the July 1974 edition of 'Radio-Electronics' magazine. (predating the presentation of the 'Altair' construction project in a competing magazine by six months) Briefly for those not familiar with the unit, the 'Mark-8' (referred to as a "minicomputer" in the original article) is an Intel 8008 microprocessor based unit with a clock speed of 500kHz and a maximum addresing range of 16kb. The unit as implemented in this project features a full 'programmers' front panel, and is constructed on six double sided circuit boards which comprise the CPU board, parallel data input and output boards, display board, address latch and memory boards. The reconstruction as I will be implementing it will add a seventh board to stand in for the original memory board which was designed for 1101 static RAM chips which are no longer available in any quantity. The revised memory board will substitute 2102 static RAM chips which are readily available. (Note: there is a possibility that we may just update the existing memory board layout to allow the use of either RAM chip, but we are not quite that far along as yet) To help defer the costs of having the circuit boards made, we are offering sets of the boards to interested parties at our cost. Currently, with the minimum run of boards to make this project practical (6 sets) the cost per set stands at $200.00US. Four sets are currently spoken for. To get this rolling, we at least to find people interested in the other two board sets, and if more people are interested we can get the price per set down even further. (or if someone out there works for a PC board house???) And, since someone will no doubt ask... Yes, we do have a source for the Intel 8008 microprocessors. The quantities are limited however, and the current price for the microprocessor is $200.00US. All other required parts to construct this unit are readily available through stardard sources. Also, through the kindness of the management of Gernsback Publications (publisher of 'Radio-Electronics' and other related publications) we can provide reprints of the original construction article and documentation set for the 'Mark-8' project to anyone who purchases one of the board sets. (with updates for the revised memory board) If anyone is interested in joining us on this classic adventure or has any questions, please feel free to contact me. Thanks! -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Laser500

by walgen＠do.isst.fhg.de

-----Original Message----- From: Doug Spence [SMTP:ds_spenc@alcor.concordia.ca] Sent: Friday, March 21, 1997 8:34 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Laser500 >> are you sure the VZ200 is from Video Technologies? I have one new in box >> with 16kB RAM but there is no reference to Video Technologies on the case. > Well, my source for this info was the March, 1983 issue of COMPUTE! > magazine, in the article entitled "New Home Computers At The Winter > Consumer Electronics Show": > "....Three new computers reatiling for $99 were shown at the show, > including the first one with color. > The colour model is the VZ200, the first home computer from Video > Technologies Ltd., a company with two factories in Hong Kong. Promised > for delivery by April, the VZ200 comes with 4K of RAM, expandable to 16K > ($45) or 64K (price not yet determined)...." That sounds correct - HongKong is mentioned on the box. Maybe Video Technologies was a unkown name at this time. I have the 16k-Ram Expansion card you mention so it looks like that this announce was not completely vapourous ... >> I have four LASER 500 with LASER Tapes. Anyone heard of these? > > Well, obviously I haven't. :) Is the Laser 500 an Apple-compatible > machine, or is it something entirely different? I will check this but I this it has a Z80 ... >>I'd like instructions on >how to use the SOUND, NOISE, SOUND DEF, and SOUND TEMPO extended BASIC >commands if you have such information. Also PAINT, as I haven't yet >figured out the syntax for that one, either. sorry I don't have a single line of doc for my machines. > LASER Tapes? Did the Laser use something other than standard audio > cassettes? No I don't think so - but they have made a special cassett-player. Does anyone know how to load a file from a tape with a LASER? Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

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Computer Listing

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

On Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:54:15 -0500, "Captain Napalm" uttered: > but you might want to add an availability field [for (in the good Captain's case, microcomputers)], something like: > Limited - only a single run ever made, and then, not very > many. How about some of the rarer minicomputers that were made in the '60s? Beasts like the LINC-8 (of which there were only 142 built) or Packard Bell equipment from the very early sixties count here. PDP-1. > Rare - Only made for a year or so. I'd put into this category the Classic DEC PDP-8, and orginal Data General Novas. PDP-12s might go here (production run of ~1000). > Uncommon - the less popular machines of an era. I'm speculating at this point, but I'd tend to lump Prime equipment and Interdata gear in this one. You can find them, but it's a lucky find. Later Novas and Eclipses might fit here. > Common - Fairly easy to find. DEC pdp11 gear fits, for the most part here, although a case can be made for the 11/20 to fall into the "uncommon" classification. This class is especially appropriate for early- to mid- life 11s. > Abundant - the era of the PClone. Can't go to a thrift > store, auction, ham fest, etc without finding > hundreds if not thousands of old units. This is a level of concentration that you'll never find with mini- computers. In this class, I'd tend to place late-life-cycle pdp11s, like the 11/84 and up, and various classes of small VAXen. Note that in many cases these machines are still performing their assigned tasks and may not be de-commissioned for several years to come. I hate to flog a horse that's weak, but there is more to computing life than microprocessors. Whilst I don't disagree that the micro- based machines should be preserved (they should), I hope that folks, through their study of machines' history, become aware of what is now _distant_ history, even though it only happened 25-35 years ago. Bitmapped displays and typewriter keyboards are nice, but it's also good to sit in front of the blinking lights and work switches to program the machine. ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum | ICBM: N42:22 W71:47 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

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Computer Encyclopedia

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

Hi folks. The computer encyclopedia seems to have survived the weekend and is ready for new entries. So far six machines have been cataloged. Here's your chance to show off what you know about your obscure machines (and help justify all the work that went into this thing). Go to the CCL site (http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw/ccl.html) and click on the Classic Computer Encyclopedia. Then just go to Add a computer. Or just browse around and see what you think. Bill Whitson ClassicCmp "owner" bcw(a)u.washington.edu bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu

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Collectors web pages...

by kevan＠motiv.co.uk

Hi, Simply, I am looking for URL's of collectors who document their collection on the Web. For some time I have had page on my Web site that lists other classic computer collectors who have web pages that document their collection. I am now in the process of revamping my collection web site and I would like to improve the list of the collectors web pages I have. The URL for this new page is: http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/collection/other_collectors.html If you have a web page that documents your collection and I haven't already got it then please drop me a note and I will add it to the list. Regards -- Kevan Heydon Old Computer Collector: <URL:http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/>

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Computer Listing

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

>What about machines built at prototypes only (PERQ 2T4, PERQ3A, Tiger? >Tandy Deluxe Coco, etc). Some of those are very difficult to find. Don't forget the Atari 1400, 1450xld, etc, which exists as prototypes only. Absolutely. It never fails to amaze me that some 1980's home micros (particularly Sinclar ZX80's, ZX81's, etc and Commodore 64's) still fetch quite high prices second-hand, while I am often _given_ minicomputer equipment. It's a memory/nostalgia thing. When I was a young boy, I got access to a bunch of early micros (Ohio Scientific, Exidy Sorcerer, Kim -1, etc). Now I'm older and want own things from my youth. ;-) -Matt Pritchard

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Computer Listing

by zmerch＠northernway.net

At 05:54 PM 3/21/97 -0500, you wrote: > Uncommon - the less popular machines of an era. Usually > have to hunt around, but persistence pays off. > Color computers, Coleco Adams and what not > fall into this catagory (IMHO). > > Common - Fairly easy to find. Apple ][s, Amigas would be > here (again IMHO). Ummm... my intention here is not to flame, but Tandy Color Computers are *much* more abundant than you realize, mainly because (and I've learned this thru observation and personal experience) that one usually notices the most what one owns or has owned. <TANGENT> Dumb kid: "What the heck kinda car is that... it looks funny." Grandpa: "Son, that's a '47 Pontiac (or Mercury, or... insert personal favorite here) with a xxx V-8 engine & bla, bla, bla. I used to have one of those in my heyday, when I was a ..........." [[a week passes, same car]] Dumb kid: "What the heck kinda car is that... it looks funny....." </TANGENT> My point is there was an immense production of the Color Computer (there must... I own 3 myself) and in my little town of 14,000, I can name people who still own and use them, but the last Amiga I saw in this town was almost 10 years ago. Mind you, I'm not saying they're not around... I'm saying I don't see/take note of them, because I prefer Color Computers... You have a good suggestion, but I think that instead of just an arbitrary listing of who notices what or what might never be seen in a particular region (Amigas in Sault Ste. Marie, Color Computers in the Ukraine, ad nauseum...) that it should be based on actual production statistics when available. I can give you one bit of information: The Tandy Color Computer line was in production longer than any other 8-bit (and some 16-bit) home computer. Anywho, that's my $0.00000002 (that's all it's worth), FWIW, which ain't much. Thanks for the bandwidth, Roger "Merch" Merchberger Roger Merchberger | Everyone complained to me to change my .sig, Programmer, NorthernWay | but no-one could recommend something better. zmerch(a)northernway.net | So you'll have to put up with this *junk* | until I find some new wisdom to share.

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Adam for Sale

by BigLouS＠aol.com

Someone on AOL has an Adam for sale. Is anyone interested? Lou

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FS: Tandy Model 100 w/manuals, case, cables

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Hello, I have decided to sell my Tandy Model 100. It comes complete with both the owner's manual and service manual, a soft vinyl case, modem/phone cable and cassette cable. Works great! Since I didn't know what to ask, I went ahead and listed it on AuctionWeb. Here's the link to bid and get more info, see picture, etc: http://www.ebay.com/aw-cgi/item.cgi?item=lvp42398 Thanks and any questions, please feel free to ask. Greg -- http://www.calpoly.edu/~gmast ______________ NOTICE ___________________ My email will be down from 3/25 to 3/29. The system may not be receiving mail. If you send a message I won't be able to reply until 3/30. If you don't receive a reply, please resend after 3/29. Thanks, Greg _________________________________________

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Atari 800xe ?

by BigLouS＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-03-21 03:01:19 EST, you write: > Anyone interested in 800XEs? I can try to get hold of some ... I certainly would be. Lou

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Digests

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

Due to popular demand digesting has been enabled. Furthermore, it has been changed since this morning from weekly to daily distribution. Digests will be sent at 23:59 each day. Bill Whitson ClassicCmp "owner" bcw(a)u.washington.edu bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu

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Regular Post: Mailing Lists

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

ClassicCmp Regular Posting Mailing Lists and How to Talk to the List Robot This message is posted with frequency proportional to subscription rate (or monthly). Mailing List Basics A mailing list is a simple device which takes an e-mail and redistributes it to a group of people. People can add and remove themselves from the distribution list by Subscribing and Unsubscribing. When you send a message to the list, it is first examined by the robot for key words that tell it to process an automatic funtion (like help, subscribe, unsubscribe, etc). If the message does not contain a keyword it is sent to the distribution list. How to Talk to the Robot There are a few List Processor commands that you might want to use. To send a command to the list processor, write a message to listproc(a)u.washington.edu. In the body of the message (not the subject line, that is) write one of the following commands. Then send the message. SET CLASSICCMP MAIL ACK Tells the robot to send you a copy of messages you write to the list. This is the default. SET CLASSICCMP MAIL NOACK Tells the robot NOT to send you a copy of messages you write to the list. I don't recommend this. SET CLASSICCMP MAIL DIGEST Tells the robot to send you a digest of messages rather than each as it is posted. With this option you will get a weekly bundle of messages and keep a nice, tidy in-box. SUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address Subscribes you to the list. UNSUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address Removes you from the list. That's the basics. If you need to know more just drop me a line at bcw(a)u.washington.edu. Bill Whitson ClassicCmp "owner" bcw(a)u.washington.edu bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu

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Computer Listing

by HamiJohn＠aol.com

In the few days this group has been going, I have been taken down memory lane over and over again! I would like to propose that we begin documenting all the great classic computers of the past. I suggest it be a SIMPLE compilation such as: Name/Model Manufacturer Date released/stopped RAM/ROM included Languages included Ports included Peripherals offerred etc. Of course the exact categories need to be decided by discussion on this mail list. And somebody would need to tabulate the info (then publish the list monthly). Finally, an "expert" committee for those items "in dispute"! Well ... what do you think? John Hamilton hamijohn(a)aol.com "Old computers never die, they just fade away bit by bit!"

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S-100 Lovers! Old Digital Research Operating Systems(fwd)

by danjo＠xnet.com

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm >From: gee(a)linda.teleport.com (Chuck Gee) Date: 21 Mar 1997 10:48:15 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 S100 cards for sale. Make offer. ================================= This is my second posting of this ad. The first time around, about 1/2 of the cards found new homes. Since these are the leftovers, I am willing to consider any reasonable offer. Most have no documentation, but have been removed from working systems (mostly from a BBS I once ran). If you live in the Northwest, these are located in Corvallis, Oregon, and you can get to them any weekday. Otherwise, UPS ground prefered. quantity part# mfg. desc. ======== ===== ==== ===== 3 INTERFACER 3 GODBOUT/COMPUPRO 8 CHANNEL SERIAL 1/O (1 interfacer 3 technical manual included) ---------------------------------------------------------------- 1 PWA.05-00060 MOUNTAIN COMPUTER 100,000 DAY CLOCK ---------------------------------------------------------------- 4 RAM 21 GODBOUT ELECTRONICS 64K X 16 RAM CARD ---------------------------------------------------------------- 1 CPU 86/87 GODBOUT 8086-1 CPU CARD ---------------------------------------------------------------- 2 SYSTEM SUPPORT 1 COMPUPRO I/O, CLOCK,MATH, INT, ETC.. ---------------------------------------------------------------- 1 UFDC-1 COMPU/TIME FLOPPY DISK CONTROLLER ---------------------------------------------------------------- 5 SCP400B,C SEATTLE COMPUTER MULTIPORT SERIAL CARD ---------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Suntronics Co., inc CLOCK/CALENDAR ================================================================ I also have the following manuals that I will send off for the price of shipping, or will include with some/all of the above cards. Digital Research CP/M-86 Operating System User's Guide -- Digital Research Concurrent CP/M User's Guide/Utilities Guide -- Gifford Computer Systems Multiuser Concurrent DOS User's Manual (includes a pile of 8" diskettes) ================================================================= 6 assorted S-100 motherboards ================================================================= A "pile" of 14 assorted S100 cards that have never been used by me and are untested. I picked them up (used) for future use, but never got around to firing them up. Their condition is unknown, and I'd like to sell them as one batch. They've been sitting in my warehouse for 15 years, and are pretty dusty. ================================================================= Please contact me at gee(a)teleport.com if interested in any of the above. Thanks... ========================================================================== For an Online, Interactive Science-Fiction Adventure, please point your browser to: http://www.teleport.com/~gee/oiin.html ========================================================================== -- gee(a)teleport.com Hope someone can use this - before it gets chucked that is 8-) BC

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Computer Listing

by dlormand＠aztec.asu.edu

I'm not totally sure yet another ad hoc list is in our best interests. There are some Web sites dedicated to Classic Computers that list some/most of the old sets and what went with them (peripherals, memory, etc.). If you feel that a seperate list is still a good idea, BMG, but I'd like to see a list of "history" Web sites and how good you think they are. Some, like Rich Polivka's page, are dedicated to a single machine (our trusty TI). I imagine other machines have something similar. -- ********************************************** * David Ormand *** Southwest 99ers * * dlormand(a)aztec.asu.edu *** Tucson, Arizona * **************************** TMS9900 Lives! *

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Whoops!

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

Y'know, every once in a while you shoot out a message and immediatly realize you just did something embarrasing. And there's not a damn thing you can do ;). I just said to thank Dan Tucker for the html work on the comp list. And within seconds of pressing send remembered that actually it's a shared mailbox and the guy I've been chatting with for that last few days is, in fact - Brett Crapser. So, everybody say "Thanks, Brett!" And I'll go bury my head in the sand :x Bill Whitson ClassicCmp "owner" bcw(a)u.washington.edu bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu

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Compaq Model III, anyone?

by bboys＠mcja.com

Would anyone like to have (ie, for FREE) a Compaq Model III? It's one of those newfangled 286s, but it does have a cool fold-out LCD screen. The 5 1/2 floppy works but the hard drive is doubtful. If you're interested e-mail me to figure out how to get it to you. Brian bboys(a)mcja.com

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how many old comps are dumped?

by dzander＠solaria.sol.net

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Atari 800xe ?

by walgen＠do.isst.fhg.de

-----Original Message----- From: mhop [SMTP:mhop@snip.net] Sent: Friday, March 21, 1997 8:21 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Atari 800xe ? >> Common European Computer (esp. Germany): >> >> Atari 800XE (common in eastern europe) >> > > Really? There was the 800, 800lx, and the 130xe. I think I heard of a > 600ex game system, but I never heard of an 800ex. What are its specs? I have a 800XE new in the box for ex. east germany. It looks like a 130XE but has only 64kB. If you are interested in further details I can check the instuction booklet. Anyone interested in 800XEs? I can try to get hold of some ...

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Laser500, Computer from Europe, FleaMarket

by walgen＠do.isst.fhg.de

>> Laser 50, Laser 2000, Sinlair QL, > ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ > > Now THESE machines interest me. Why? Because I am the proud owner of a > Laser 3000 from Video Technologies Ltd. Are the 50 and the 2000 from > the same company? The only other machines from them that I've heard of > are the VZ200 and the Laser 128 (I think they were?). are you sure the VZ200 is from Video Technologies? I have one new in box with 16kB RAM but there is no reference to Video Technologies on the case. I have four LASER 500 with LASER Tapes. Anyone heard of these? > There are a lot of very common (in Europe) European machines I'd like to > get my hands on, perhaps someone should set up an intercontinental > computer trade route. :) VERY GOOD IDEA - I got some of my computers from the US ... If anyone is interested in trading (Computer and Video-Games): http://hal.do.isst.fhg.de/~walgen/Museum/Gallery/Gallery.html I also have a small flea-market for old computer at http://hal.do.isst.fhg.de/~walgen/Museum/HCM.html Furthermore it could be interesting to make a list of common european computers that are possibly rare in the US. Here a first try - please make comments on the rarity of these computers in the US: Common European Computer (esp. Germany): Atari 800XE (common in eastern europe) Commodore C-116 Commodore C-16 Commodore VC-20 (has not VIC-20 as label) Philips VG 8010, VG8020, NMS8280 (all MSX) Philips G7000 (Video games) Schneider CPC 464, CPC 664, CPC6128, Joyce PCW 8256 Sharp MZ-700, MZ-800 Sinclair QL Sony HitBit HB-75D (MSX) Triumph Adler Alphatronic TA Robotron KC85/3 (from ex. east germany - Z-80 clone) Common European Computer (esp. France): Matra Alice, Alice 90 Thomson TO7, TO7-70 Thomson MO5, TO8, TO8D Common European Computer (esp. Netherlands): MSX Computer. esp. Philips

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Any ORIC owners here?

by lists＠phx6.phxmedia.com

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Atari 800xe ?

by mhop＠snip.net

> Common European Computer (esp. Germany): > > Atari 800XE (common in eastern europe) > Really? There was the 800, 800lx, and the 130xe. I think I heard of a 600ex game system, but I never heard of an 800ex. What are its specs? mhop(a)snip.net

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TI Speech Synthesizer question...

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 20-Mar-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >There were many "Speech Synthesizer" modules released. Most of them had to >do with entertainment packages, but there also many for education as well. > Education packages included the Scott, Foresman series were the computer >would say the numbers and letters to children, and for entertainment, there >was Alpiner, Parsec, M*A*S*H, Star Trek, Microsurgeon, and many, many others. Actually, I was referring to the modules that were to plug into the Speech Synthesizer itself, beneath the flip-top. Numerous references mention them, and though on my Synthesizer, there isn't a connector in it for the module, I was wondering if maybe some early examples were shipped with one. Even the Speech Synthesizer manual mentions the cartridges. >There are more than 373 words to choose from. In fact, with the Terminal >Emulator II cartridge, you have unlimited "text-to-speech" capability. > Literally anything you type in can be spoken. Sometimes you would have to >make the the pronunciation spellings different in order for this to work, but >mostly, it was fine. Extended BASIC was the only cartridge that limited >"text-to-speech", but even then TI later released a "text-to-speech" diskette >which would allow the user to type in anything (much like the Terminal >Emulator II, and Speech Editor). I got the 373 word limit from the Synthesizer manual, though I've not counted up the words in the list it shows. I plan on playing with TE-II once I recieive the RS232 board for my PEBox. It'd be interesting having it speak the ascii data as it came across! >I just picked up a Speech Editor cartridge for $20 from someone who was >selling it along with other old TI stuff. Expect to pay this, or more for it >- as it is rare. I just got it, and I can't even use it because I don't have >the manual. That's fine with me...BTW, here's another question regarding the GROM cartridges. When did Atari begin making the arcade game cartridges for the TI-99/4A? Most people admit that TI didn't allow much 3rd party software to be produced initially, yet here is one of their competitors writing programs for it. I have the Donkey Kong and Pac Man cartridges, and they are both dated 1983. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: The computer for the creative mind...since 1985! // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex- Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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TI Model Number

by HamiJohn＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-03-16 18:18:32 EST, Bryan Nicalek writes: > The TI-99/2 was never actually produced. Only pre-production units were ever > made. This was after the TI-99/4A, back in 1983. A whole line of > peripherals were planned to be offered, including the new HEX-BUS interface. > The 99/2 was black and white only, 40 columns, and limited but a very > portable computer. Only rare photos have ever been seen. The 99/2 did make it out the door - I bought one in a MSP Target. The hex bus peripherals also were produced, and worked with the CC40 (handheld from TI). John Hamilton hamijohn(a)aol.com "Old computers never die, they just fade away bit by bit!"

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Hello all!

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

> My nephew owns an Atari 800XL computer, and I was wondering if anyone > knows of any source for basic programs he could type in and learn from. > I think the basic programs should be short and easy for a 7th grader to > learn from. Thanks for any help. I will be writing up a mastermind program > for him and maybe a tic-tac-toe game for him. Anyone have ideas for other > games that can be written in BASIC and are easy to understand and short? > Thanks in advance. Used book stores. They often have old computer books lying around which they'll sell to you for a couple dollars, and it shouldn't be too hard to find books of basic games. Heck, I have a book of 33 games designed for PET, Apple ][, or TRS-80 BASIC that I could send to you, if you want. They're pretty, uh, basic, but taking them apart isn't a bad way to learn BASIC. I really should sleep more, -- Ben Coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu 530 User anonymous access denied. http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley for fiction, etc.

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Let people know about collectors

by BigLouS＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-03-20 13:55:54 EST jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com (James Willing) wrote: > I guess my base fear here is that if we actually managed to get the > media's attention, a few major stories like this might drive the equipment > costs to high (note I said COSTS, not VALUE) that only deep pocketed > people with no real interest in the equipment other than its percieved > 'value' would be able to afford to obtain it! Well said. Publicity is not always a good thing. imw(a)agora.rdrop.com (James Willing) also wrote: Me, I'm doing new board layouts and am planning to reconstruct a 'Mark-8' or two... Anyone else interested in a board set? I might be, post some details. Lou

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Zenith Z386-20

by CHEER＠us.oracle.com

Captain Napalm sez: >It was thus said that the Great Christopher Heer once stated: >> Wow. 72 pin? Are you certain? In any case, ISTR older Zeniths taking proprietary >> memory. > Yup. Without any SIMMS, the system just sits there producing vast amounts >of nothing quite fast. With memory installed, I get the bad CMOS error, >then vast amounts of nothing quite fast. Well that's pretty ironclad. I doubt you're having a memory problem. >> > Then the screen goes blank and the system just sits there, fans spinning. >> How long? I mean, how long have you let it wait? If it's mis-configured on the >> hard disk, it could take simply ages to time out. > Oh, two minutes maybe. Nothing very long. Let it go longer. Sweartagod I've seen PC's take 15 minutes to error out. Also, if there's a hard disk controller installed, yank it. It may make it time out faster. And as someone else mentioned, Zenith was fond of using Ctrl-Alt-Ins as the keystroke combination to get into setup. Give that a go. -- Christopher D. Heer ORACLE Corporation Network Engineer III 203 N. La Salle Avenue #2000 Work: (312) 704-1676 Chicago, IL 60601 Fax: (312) 726-4635 Email: cheer(a)us.oracle.com Visualize Whirled Peas

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Zenith Z386-20

by CHEER＠us.oracle.com

Captain Napalm sez: > At an auction this past Saturday, I picked up a Zenith Z386-20 (okay, it >might, just might, be 10 years old). It looks to be a decent system, and >today is the first day I've been able to play around with it, as I had to >scrape up some 72-pin SIMMS for memory. Wow. 72 pin? Are you certain? In any case, ISTR older Zeniths taking proprietary memory. > Upon turning the unit on, I get (if I recall - it doesn't stay very long >on the screen): > Bad CMOS configuration blah blah yada yada > Then the screen goes blank and the system just sits there, fans spinning. How long? I mean, how long have you let it wait? If it's mis-configured on the hard disk, it could take simply ages to time out. > I have some questions about the unit I figure I'd through out here before >going to alt.folklore.computers. > 1. It doesn't seem to even look at the keyboard. Do Zeniths use > a proprietary keyboard, or is the POST routine not getting past > the bad CMOS? Zeniths were, ISTR, slightly touchy about keyboards, but they didn't have to be proprietary. Odds are something else is hanging it. > 2. The computer itself has a daughter board that contains the > ROMs, a SmartBattery (DALLAS - DS1260-100 / 9816 / 3V > Lithium battery), an Intel 8742 (Universal Peripheral Interface > 8-bit Slave uController) and other neat features (the 8 LEDs > are a nice touch). The Smart battery can be removed, but I'm > wondering if it's a common item and is easily replaced. Depends on how you define "common" and "easily," but yeah, you should be able to find it and replace it. They last a long time, though; I'd resolve the config issue before replacing it. -- Christopher D. Heer ORACLE Corporation Network Engineer III 203 N. La Salle Avenue #2000 Work: (312) 704-1676 Chicago, IL 60601 Fax: (312) 726-4635 Email: cheer(a)us.oracle.com Visualize Whirled Peas

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