- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by dastar＠wco.com

You know, I used to be guilty of this same thing, and feel like a total putz for having to say this, but John, it is not necessary to report to us every single item you pick up. We all get stuff and, quite frankly, if everyone here simply posted what they found and didn't actually talk about it, you'd have one HELL of a boring discussion. So, thanks but no thanks for the updates. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! On Wed, 31 Dec 1969, John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > Well today made up for a slow week, got the following items: > Tandy 1400 LT > 2-IBM 8573 386 portables one works the other is for parts > NCR model 1002-6000 computer > HP 83 and a 85 > Corona luggable model PPC-21 > Informer model 207 with carrying case > Fluke 8088 interface POD model 900A-8088 > Logical QUV-T8 UV EPROM ERASER > Black Bell & Howell apple > Sun 4/110 > Atari XE system > SuperBrain II QD > CPT notebook model OC 1000 008 anyone have info on this one ???? > IBM 5322 with two 8" floppies built-in > IBM 3274-31C with 8" diskettes sofeware > Paper tape for PDP8 box says MAG TAPE ROUTINES (Diagnostic) and other paper > tape for the PDP8 and about 10 manuals. > GTEK model 7128 EPROM Programmer. > > It was a good rescue day. Keep computing !! > >

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Sphere papers gone

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I am not saying that the Sphere papers are of real historical significance <- the company simply did not last very long, and in my opinion, was a <producer of junk - but anything Sphere is very rare. Sphere was an example of some of the shadier companies, all flash and very little fire. At the time I'd wondered if they had shipped anything at all. In all I think they represented less than a 8month piece of the industry that had some con artists as well as serious vendors. <> I guess it's time for one of those questions I still don't have a good <> answer for. Where the foo has all the SS-50 stuff gone? Or is it still <> hiding? Or is it just not here in Sillycon Valley? SS50 was fairly popular and tended to build up into solid systems. The people that used them were not hardware hacks and tended more towards software and applications for their box. I have no idea where they went save for if I tripped over one I'd keep it as they were good machines. <I have seen very little as well. That says something, as the boards tend <to really stick out in the crowd. They never reached the popularity of the <S-100 stuff, and was probably made in quantities much smaller than just <about every other bus. I don't know. S100 was bigger, no question. SS50 was actually better early on. The problem with SS50 generally was it was 6800 cpu and that was not fast nor was it easy to plug non motorola cpus in to the bus. SS50 went >from 6800 to 6809 and prety much died there. the 6502 and the 68k were two others that would interface to that bus(more or less) but any of the 8080/8085/z80/8088 types had bus timing and signals that were radically different. S100 was less tied to the CPU despite it originating with 8080. Early on 6800 cpu was easy to get into as Moto had the big book for $25 and it had every bit of hardware and software info you could want. It's limitation was the fastest 6800 was 2mhz and you either liked it or didn't. Also I feel motos lack of timly follow on in the form of faster 6800s and far later 6809 and later still 68000 didn't help. Some of the AMI SBCs were pretty nice and the 6800 market had a greater selection of SBCs at attractive prices including the moto 6800d1/d2 kits. The other s100 cpus of the time were 9900, T-11(marinechip systems s100 pdp-11), 1802, sc/mp(1&II), Alpha micro(wd13 chipset), 6809, 68008/68000, 8088/6, 80188/6, 80286, z8000, NS16016(32032). I've also seen 8049, 8051 and 2900 bit slice used for s100 cpus. This diversity kept s100 going longer and offered choices that could please those that asprired to one cpu over another. Also other popular machines had companies offering s100 adators, KIM, TRS80 being two I remember. It backed up the idea that no one manufacturer could supply the diverse demand for interfaces to their systems that having a common bus(s100) could supply. I may add that S100 went beyond cpu, memory, serial, parallel and disks. The availability of prom/eprom/pal programmers, A/D, D/A, opto and relay I/Os, Voice, display, networks was extensive. This al la carte offering made pure one manufacturer s100 systems rare as multiple vendor systems integration was common. I may add you also had the <at least> three commercial busses STD(z80), multibus intel processors(and z80) and VME bus which was motorola cpus. It highlights the fundemental differences between the motorola and intel designs. The 6502 is fundamentally motorola interface and bus FYI. The Apple by default also created an aftermarket bus standard for the slots it had. Other busses that lasted a moment: Altair 680 (6800 based), digital group, ti99/4a expansion. There were others I'm sure. Allison

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VAX Unix Question + Thanks

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

Thanks to all who provided info on the Sun 3/50. I can't wait to get it working. I have another question. I finally got a working replacement RD52 drive for my uVAX. The drive passes all tests that I run on it, and was in service previously. Now, what steps do I need to take to get it to be seen by Unix? I tried to "mount" it, but I keep getting some bizarre error that I can't remember at this time. TIA! Rich Cini/WUGNET rcini(a)msn.com ClubWin! charter member (6) MCP Windows 95 and Windows Networking

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Help needed

by CharlesII＠nwohio.nwohio.com

I have an old NCR machine that I would like to get up and running. While I have everything intact what I really need is some way of interfacing it. There are numerous amounts of low density DB15 ports that I think have nothing to do with Ethernet since the spot that is labeled Ethernet is covered up with nothing behind the cover. What can I use to find out what is on this thing. The numbers on the data sticker are: class 3470-MSTD model 0202 serial 36-18259367 tracer 36-002591 Any ideas? I would also like to know where I can find a power supply for an Amiga A500. Charles Oblender

28 years, 6 months

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finally found: Your Computer

by mhop＠mail.snip.net

I'm overwhelmed at how many want this computer. I just wanted to let you all know that I am still trying to decide who gets it, and I'm slow at making decisions like that, so hang on guys. mhop(a)snip.net

28 years, 6 months

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Temple Univ. haul

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

Well, I made another trip to Temple Univ. this weekend to pick-up more equipment. Alas, I did not get to the "records room" again because my contact was gone for the weekend and none of his co-workers knew where the file cabinets were. Oh well, I'll go back in December. Here's what I did get, though: 2-RD52 drives for the uVAX A copy of VisiCalc for the PC, version 1.2 A Sun 3/50 workstation (I need help with this one). I also saw a Chinese knock-off of an Apple II. Nothing on it said Apple, but the board was identical. It had a cheap plastic case and a metal base plate. I stashed it, so maybe I'll get it when I go down next. Regarding the Sun machine, it's a workstation-style case with a 17" (or 19"??) monitor attached to a base. It has an Ethernet port, 2 serial ports, and a SCSI port. The monitor has a DB9 connection, and the keyboard is a DB15. Unfortunately, there was no keyboard/mouse and no monitor cable. Can anyone help me out with these parts? More to come... Rich Cini/WUGNET rcini(a)msn.com ClubWin! charter member (6) MCP Windows 95 and Windows Networking

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Sphere papers gone

by william＠ans.net

Those two M6800 Programmers Reference Cards from Sphere that I posted here a week or so back are now spoken for. Apparently there is not much call for ancient M6800 micro stuff, as I only got one response. I suppose if they were from the 8080 side of the fence, things would be different. William Donzelli william(a)ans.net

28 years, 6 months

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The Seattle Thrift Store Scene

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-10-04 01:07:53 EDT, you write: << On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Glenn Roberts wrote: > curious if you noticed any difference between "brand name thrift" (e.g. > Salvation Army & Goodwill) vs. small time shops? others here have > suggested that the latter is where all the "good stuff" is to be found. >> the small time shops here in nc don't have much, although i did find an apple rgb monitor for a gs there. there's one goodwill close to me that used to get plenty of old computers there, and even recent items, like an ncr ps/2 clone and vga monitor for$30! they usually priced computers and monitors there for $10 each, but they've raised the prices, probably because i'd go in there every week and buy what i found interesting. they had a ps2 8580 in there a while back for $75! i think some idiot actually bought it... david

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finally found: Your Computer

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I'll take it ---------- > From: mhop <mhop(a)mail.snip.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: finally found: Your Computer > Date: Friday, October 03, 1997 8:30 PM > > A long time ago I told everyone here that I had a computer in my closet > somewhere, and someone asked me to let them know when I found it. > > "Your Computer" > with sound and music > for family, business, educational and entertainment use > > It's rubber keybad seems identical to the Timex Sinclair, well, not that black > Sinclair with the membrane keyboard, but the other one. It's housed in white > plastic, green rubber keys and... > > Japaneese intructions - except for the BASic listed programs inside. > > Z80A CPU > Expandable to 16k ram or 32 k ram > 42 Keys Keyboard > programmable speaker output > Direct drive a thermal printer > 24 rows by 32 characters video display using either home tv or monitor > 22 graphic symbol available > Reverse video characters available > Built in cassette interface (I don't know *what this might be..) > High resolution graphics capability > Automatic repeat on space bar insert, delete and cursor control keys > Programmable slow mode and fast mode > > .. and least that is what is says on the box. It's in its original box and > styrophome. > > Who wants it? It'll cost you the postage to send it. I live in Somerdale, > NJ. > > mhop(a)snip.net

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ATARI 1450XLD

by mhop＠mail.snip.net

> HELP! HELP! > Looking for a 1450XLD! > > Mike It will be hard to find. I think only a few prototypes were made by Atari.

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finally found: Your Computer

by mhop＠mail.snip.net

A long time ago I told everyone here that I had a computer in my closet somewhere, and someone asked me to let them know when I found it. "Your Computer" with sound and music for family, business, educational and entertainment use It's rubber keybad seems identical to the Timex Sinclair, well, not that black Sinclair with the membrane keyboard, but the other one. It's housed in white plastic, green rubber keys and... Japaneese intructions - except for the BASic listed programs inside. Z80A CPU Expandable to 16k ram or 32 k ram 42 Keys Keyboard programmable speaker output Direct drive a thermal printer 24 rows by 32 characters video display using either home tv or monitor 22 graphic symbol available Reverse video characters available Built in cassette interface (I don't know *what this might be..) High resolution graphics capability Automatic repeat on space bar insert, delete and cursor control keys Programmable slow mode and fast mode .. and least that is what is says on the box. It's in its original box and styrophome. Who wants it? It'll cost you the postage to send it. I live in Somerdale, NJ. mhop(a)snip.net

28 years, 6 months

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IBM powerstation, the answer here!

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I asked one of the old IBMers at work what this powerstation 550e i had was. turns out it is indeed part of the RISC6000 family. I guess what i have is just a workstation that ran batch jobs or something like that, not too useful by itself it seems. I presume it runs/ran AIX. it was difficult to find any info it. web search didnt bring up anything, and 800-IBM-SERV handles the RISC6K family, but they referred me elsewhere for this 550e, since they didnt know what it was. it only cost $5, and it is an interesting addtion to my ever growing esoteric collection of ibm machines. now, if i could just get this powerstation to run with my PC RT... david

28 years, 6 months

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The Seattle Thrift Store Scene

by jrbrady＠delphi.com

Greetings All, I've been making the rounds of Seattle-area thrift stores. Not much CP/M stuff, mostly PC compatible. Found several XT's with hard drives and full of cards for $5 each. Most ISA boards such as Mono, serial, parallel go for $1. B&W and CGA monitors go for $3-10. 5-1/4" DSDD floppy drives go for around $2 each. There's one store that has a Televideo system for $60. Rather steep, but they have a 1/2 price sale Sunday and I'll probably grab it then - good companion to the 803H in my collection. There's a huge IBM Selectric Memory typewriter for $10, which I'll also grab at the 1/2 price sale. I recently found two Kaypro-II's for $5 each. Not much Apple hardware. How does this compare to thrift stores in other areas of the country? Regards, Jason Brady jrbrady(a)delphi.com Seattle, WA

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YES!!!

by dastar＠crl.com

I AM FINALLY FREE FROM crl, THE PIMPLE ON THE ASS OF THE INTERNET! My new primary e-mail address is dastar(a)wco.com. Please do not ever even consider to consider using crl.com or I will find you and kill you to save you from the misery. I can also be e-mailed at dastar(a)siconic.com. All mail to dastar(a)crl.com will be forwarded automatically, but please update your address books. Thank you. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

28 years, 6 months

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DISTRIBUTED SYSTEMS CQ2010.

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

That's what that card was. What is it? Anyone know?

28 years, 6 months

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What is a Control Data QC2010?

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

It's a Qbus or Unibus quad-height module with what looks like a SCSI connector on it. Anyone know what it is? The number may be wrong, it may be 1020.

28 years, 6 months

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Need Apple IIGS software

by manney＠nwohio.com

A church with which I work was recently given an Apple IIGS (with "Woz" signature on the front, I notice). Does anyone have any children's educational software for Apple that he/she would be willing to donate or sell cheaply? You can get tax credit if you want. Please e-mail me -- manney(a)nwohio.com -- or contact the church directly: Pastor Leo Stewart Union Avenue Alliance Church 12700 Union Ave. Cleveland OH 44104 (216) 752-6184 Thanks -- you'll be doing inner city kids a great favor. P Manney "Un sot trouve toujours un plus sot qui l'admire."

28 years, 6 months

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CC> Bill Whitson operates this list

by dastar＠crl.com

I have no idea why people think I am the list-op of classiccmp, and I don't know how popular this opinion is, but I am, in fact, NOT the list-op. Bill Whitson is and any list related questions should go to him. This is the second time I've received a list related request. Go figure. Please update the cell in your brain which stores this information. Thank you. Now someone help this poor guy. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 04:35:10 -0500 From: Mark W Kuefel <kuefel(a)sky.net> To: dastar(a)crl.com Subject: A DIRECT PLEA TO ISMAIL FOR HELP (and kuefel somehow finds the shift key, details below) Sam I know this is pretty stupid but I need your help if possible. The classic computer list is generating far too many messages in the firehose mode for me to possibly keep up with. I'd like to go to digest, if available or, if necessary, unsubscribe for a while (I've been ill lately and sometimes lack the energy to even log in.) Now the stupid problem. I seem to have "misplaced" my subscriber info. I know that's dumb and, generally, I'm pretty good at keeping the email message as well as a hardcopy printout. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

28 years, 6 months

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Slow day

by FAIAZMC＠hsd.utc.com

There's still plenty of them around. Most companies that had a S/36 have upgraded to its replacement, the A/S 400. ---------- From: John R. Keys Jr. To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Slow day Date: Wednesday, December 31, 1969 7:00PM Found a HP vectra QS/16 complete monitor,kb, and computer it will go into storage for now. Only other find today was 5 plastic bags at a thrift with S/36 System Support Programs, RPG, COBOL, utilities, and microcode from 1983 there a total of 45 - 8" diskettes. Each bag was $1.40 plus tax. Now were do I find a S/36. Keep computing!

28 years, 6 months

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Person needs help fixing 8" PerSci

by dlw＠neosoft.com

I just passing this along, can anyone help him repair his drives? Reply to him, Loufer(a)aol.com, not me. Thanks. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:24:51 -0700 To: dlw(a)neosoft.com From: Loufer(a)aol.com Subject: http://www.neosoft.com/~dlw/comp/comphave.htmlCromemco Z2D Dave, I have an entire Cromemco Z2D system that I purchased at an auction several years ago. It was completely disassembled, and was noted as 'computer junk' and sold as a lot. Assembled, it had two monitors, two 5-1/4 drives, two 8" (wood cabinet) drives and many extra S100 cards. There's an analog-digital IO card, 3 64K mem, 6 16K mem, Dazzler (still new and unassembled), set of joysticks, and other misc hardware. Although I'm not interested in selling it (it WAS my first computer after all), but I sure could use some help finding someone to repair one of the paired 8 inch PerSci drives. Michael --------------- End of Forwarded Message ----------- ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)neosoft.com http://www.neosoft.com/~dlw

28 years, 6 months

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HP 9100 programming questions

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Tony Duell <ard(a)odin.phy.bris.ac.uk> wrote: > Have you tried pulling out the quick-ref card at the front? Assuming it's > still there (which it should be - it's not easy to remove), it will list > all the programming instructions. I completely missed this. Thanks for pointing it out. <gulp> I think I am going to have to turn in my Master of the Obvious card for this. > I think so. The idea of -ve program steps seems to be in the back of my > mind, but that may have been fast gotos (like the 67, etc) or something. Yes. There are two banks of memory on the 9100B, + and -. > No. The opcodes aren't really related to the key layout IIRC. They are > listed on that pull-out card, though. Yes they are. > > Can I use the STEP PRGM key to single-step forward non-destructively > > in program mode? How can I move backward, or to a given location in > > program mode? > > I think so, but could somebody else confirm this before you wipe you're > program... It's on the quick-ref card. This works as I expected. If I want to go back or go to an absolute location, I have to switch to RUN mode and do a GOTO from there, then switch back to PROGRAM mode. -Frank McConnell

28 years, 6 months

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HP 9100 programming questions

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Howdy, I am fooling with a 9100B calculator that used to be on exhibit, I'm guessing in the electronics museum that used to be at Foothill College. Toward that end it was hacked: a plexiglas strip was screwed to it above the switches, with cutouts for the switch handles that only let you move the power switch -- program/run, fixed/floating, and degrees/radians were all stuck on run, fixed, radians respectively. Well, I've removed that because I want to find out what if any programs were in its memory (core remembers things long after they're better forgotten), and so I want to flip the program/run switch over to PROGRAM. But I'm a little confused about the 9100's program mode, and unfortunately I don't have the manuals handy. When I flip the switch to PROGRAM, the display changes to what I am guessing is this: <step> <instruction> <Y mantissa> <Y exponent> <X mantissa> <X exponent> <step> seems to be represented as <hex digit>.<hex digit>. True? (And does this mean there are only 256 program steps?) Are <instruction> values 00-09 the keypad switches 0-9, and others in <column><row> form? And if so, where's <0><0> for the <column><row> form? Can I use the STEP PRGM key to single-step forward non-destructively in program mode? How can I move backward, or to a given location in program mode? Can y'all tell I'm spoiled rotten from having learned programmable calculators about 15 years later? -Frank McConnell

28 years, 6 months

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Apple II hard drive??

by bpvh＠primenet.com

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28 years, 6 months

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DEC-10 comparative power

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

About how fast is a DECsystem-ten compared to a Pentium or something? A friend and I got into a "whose computer is faster" fight. I have the 11/23, he has a Vaxserver 3100. I have the 44, he has his Pentium/something.(133 or 150?). I have a shell into a DEC-10, does that beat him, or do I lose? (I think it does, does anyone have the numbers?)

28 years, 6 months

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HP-150 disks...

by manney＠nwohio.com

If any is a DOS disk, there was a post recently... bcumming(a)mail.island.net wants DOS 3.2 or might be interested in some disks. manney >I just picked up 34 'Hewlett Packard 150' diskettes; except for one >they are all user labeled (Well I THINK they are all HP-150 disks, the >disk type and labeling are very similar.) I am not certain if the 150 >is in the "Classic" arena but I am assuming so by a pic I found on the >web, if not sorry on printing an off-topic post. > > So, if there is anyone here that is interested in 34 assorted HP-150 >disks, lemme know. > > Larry Anderson >-- >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ >Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > >

28 years, 6 months

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Advanced Integration Research Motherboard

by manney＠nwohio.com

Normally, 486 motherboards are set entirely in the CMOS setup program. Jumpers, etc. typically control speed and processor type. Are you having trouble getting it to come up? manney(a)nwohio.com >I have a 486lc motherboard and need to know about any of the settings >(i.e. jumpers and dip switch) and what the memory config is. thanks

28 years, 6 months

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New update on Comprehensive Computer Catalogue

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

Today I place the new version of the CCC online. Now listing 3806 computers. In this revision I have set up the infra structure to link each system to its own page. The intent is to provide information and links for each system. See the entry for the Sperry SPEEDAC computer. BTW anyone heard of the ULTRAMAC computer built in the mid fifties? -- Hans B. Pufal : <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> Comprehensive Computer Catalogue : <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/> _-_-__-___--_-____-_--_-_-____--_---_-_---_--__--_--_--____---_--_--__--_

28 years, 6 months

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HP-150 disks...

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>It could make "Classic" tenuously on either one and, given both, has NO >problem. Now -- what I keep wondering about is an Atari Portfolio (1989).... I have added it to my web site, based on a) being obsolete, b) being a new concept for its time (first MS-DOS palmtop?), and, of course, c) being really keen. Anyway, 1989 is even starting to get old in computing terms. Adam.

28 years, 6 months

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[Fwd: Paper tape reader in Seattle anyone?]

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

Found on Usenet, can anyone help out? -- Hans B. Pufal : <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> Comprehensive Computer Catalogue : <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/> _-_-__-___--_-____-_--_-_-____--_---_-_---_--__--_--_--____---_--_--__--_

28 years, 6 months

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HP-150 disks...

by engine＠chac.org

At 19:38 10/1/97 -0800, you wrote: >....I am not certain if the 150 >is in the "Classic" arena but I am assuming so by a pic I found on the >web, if not sorry on printing an off-topic post. The HP-150 is: 1) vintage 1984, and 2) absolutely fascinating. It could make "Classic" tenuously on either one and, given both, has NO problem. Now -- what I keep wondering about is an Atari Portfolio (1989).... __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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HP-150 disks...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

I just picked up 34 'Hewlett Packard 150' diskettes; except for one they are all user labeled (Well I THINK they are all HP-150 disks, the disk type and labeling are very similar.) I am not certain if the 150 is in the "Classic" arena but I am assuming so by a pic I found on the web, if not sorry on printing an off-topic post. So, if there is anyone here that is interested in 34 assorted HP-150 disks, lemme know. Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

28 years, 6 months

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Unisys / Convergent Technologies X-bus CTOS/BTOS units in Thrift

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

While dropping by a local thrift (where classic game cartridges were last seen 1 and half years ago) I spotted at least 3 square modules which I recognized to be Unisys or Convergent Technologies machines which ran BTOS/CTOS. As I recall these modules snapped together along a bus (X-bus?) that ran along the bottom of each module. I didn't take a closer look to see what they were, but if anyone in the list is interested, I could go back for them to determine what is there and what price is wanted (yes, I'm offering to pick up and ship for a nominal fee - I'm just a nice guy..) Matt Pritchard matthewp(a)netcom.com mpritchard(a)ensemblestudios.com

28 years, 6 months

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Star Trek for CompuColor II

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

I played it about 5 years ago. I let the machine slip through my fingers though (thru neglect of interest). Still a chance it can be dug up... -Matt Pritchard > -----Original Message----- > From: Kai Kaltenbach [SMTP:kaikal@MICROSOFT.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 1997 7:49 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Star Trek for CompuColor II > > Anyone have a copy of this gem? > > thanks > > Kai

28 years, 6 months

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Nicolet 290 needs home

by kmar＠lle.rochester.edu

At 06:14 AM 9/27/97 +0000, you wrote: >Found this on alt.folklore.computers > > We have a working (or at least it was) Nicolet 290 computer. that > need to vacate the room its been taking up for the last 20+ years. >This system is rigged up as a test bench for an MRI system (that's >all still there too) and we have all the manuals, disk packs, paper >tape programs, banks of core memory etc etc.. I plan to do a small >inventory of the parts and pieces but if I don't find it a home soon >it'll get smashed up. > Does anyone know anything about these computers? I have no idea what >else they may have been used for or how rare this thing is. Anything >anyone knows about it could be helpful towards finding it a proper >home. BTW.. Size wise you're looking at a large console with a plotter >built in and a short 19 inch rack plus many boxes of disk packs >(Diablo) and manuals. > > Ken Montgomery > CSU Sacramento > kenm(a)csus.edu (Ken Montgomery) > >I've never heard of a Nicolet 290... What is it? > >Ken Harbit >krh03(a)cvip.fresno.com > The Nioclet 290 is a dedicated instrument controller and data acquisition computer made by Nicolet Instrument Corp. in Madison, Wisconsin. Nicolet is a major manufacturer of Fourier transform (FT) infrared spectrometers, and at one time also manufactured FT Nuclear Magnetic Resonance spectrometers. I have one of the 290's great-grandchildren, the NIC 660, still operating a FTIR spectrometer in my lab. My system was purchased new in 1986, and is still running reasonably well. I don't know a lot about the 290, but what I can tell you about these computers in general is that they are essentially totally proprietary platforms that were designed and built from the ground up to control FTIR and FT NMR instrumentation and process spectral data. The design of the systems were optimized to handle fast Fourier transformation of spectoscopy data "on-the-fly" as it came off of the spectrometer. These computers use a proprietary operating system written by Nicolet (NICOS) which is somewhat Forth-like but has a user shell running on top. The user shell bears some resemblance to Unix. The 660 system I have has applications software for IR spectroscopy, some text editors, and compilers for Fortran, Basic, and Pascal. Nicolet stopped manufacturing these computers and switched over to PC's about 3-5 years ago, but still maintains some limited support (ie, parts and supplies) for these proprietary machines.

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CC> Who's on the list?

by mhop＠mail.snip.net

> > Hi, > > Is it possible to find out if someone is still subscribed to the list > other than sending a message to them through the list? What I really > want to know is: is there a way to get a list of the subscribers > from the listproc? Send mail to the List processor with: recipients classiccmp ..that should do it. If you send "help", it will send back an almost complete list of commands.

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CC> Victor 9000 down the hall

by dastar＠crl.com

How funny. For the past several days, everytime I walk down the hall of my office to go to the loo, I notice this odd looking computer in another company's suite. I can only see the back of it, but I can tell it is not a PC because it seems to have centronics ports on the back, although I only catch quick glimpses because I'm walking by at my usual energetic clip. Well tonight I stopped to gawk at it while the cleaning person had their door open and sure enough its a Victor 9000. I look across the desk to another computer and see a monitor with the "Victor" nameplate on it as well. What a trip. Someone in my building is actually still using a computer which I consider part of my vintage computer collection. I'm going to talk to them and see what they are using on it. Must be some old accounting or insurance or real estate or something application. I don't know what their business is because their name is "Vanier & Associates" so it could be a front company for an international arms smuggling operation for all I know. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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CC> Victor 9000 down the hall

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 11:55 PM 9/30/97 -0700, you wrote: >door open and sure enough its a Victor 9000. I look across the desk to >another computer and see a monitor with the "Victor" nameplate on it as >well. What a trip. Someone in my building is actually still using a >computer which I consider part of my vintage computer collection. I'm >going to talk to them and see what they are using on it. Must be some old Please post (or at least e-mail me) with what you find out. The Vic9k has a special place in my heart (and my collection!) as my folks were considering purchasing one very early on and I remember being very impressed with its specs. They also had Victor adding machines (My dad was a CPA.) >it could be a front company for an international arms smuggling operation Well, if it is, don't worry about being sued; they probably wouldn't have a leg to stand on. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Dead HP-97 calculator

by fmc＠reanimators.org

[Note: I saw Hans' message on comp.sys.hp.misc and replied privately, but figure there might be some other folks here who want to know this stuff.] Hans Pufal <hans1(a)filan00.grenoble.hp.com> wrote: > When I got it home I found that it rattled, so I dismantled it and found > two large burnt out resistors on the keyboard PCB. The rattle was caused > by pieces of these resistors in the case. > > Does anyone have docs sufficient to determine the replacement parts for > these resistors? Time for some copying from the service manual. Useful information below is from the HP-97 Programmable Printing Calculator Service Manual, HP part number 00097-90130, dated August 1976. Table 4-9. Keyboard Printed-Circuit Assembly A2A1 (00097-60002) Replaceable Parts Ref HP p/n Description R1 0683-4715 RESISTOR, fxd, 470 ohm R2* 0683-2045 RESISTOR, fxd, 200K R2* 0684-3341 RESISTOR, fxd, 330K R3 0812-0058 RESISTOR, fxd, 8.2 ohm, 2W R4 0811-1674 RESISTOR, fxd, 4.7 ohm, 2W R5 0698-8691 RESISTOR, fxd, 4.0 ohm, 1% R6 0683-1835 RESISTOR, fxd, 18K, 5%, 1/4W R7 0683-3915 RESISTOR, fxd, 390 ohm CR1 1990-0450 LED, low battery indicator Q1 1853-0393 TRANSISTOR, PNP Q2 1853-0401 TRANSISTOR, PNP Q3 1853-0374 TRANSISTOR, PNP Q4 1854-0071 TRANSISTOR, NPN U1 1820-1629 INTEGRATED CIRCUIT, cathode driver U2 1990-0595 DISPLAY, numeric U3, 4 1858-0044 INTEGRATED CIRCUIT, quad transistors U5 1810-0252 INTEGRATED CIRCUIT, resistor network P1, 2 1251-3955 CONNECTOR, 9-pin W1 8120-2206 CABLE, 24-conductor 00097-80002 BOARD, etched R2 is marked with a * because it is selected based on the cathode driver IC U1. I don't completely get this, but there is a chart (Table 4-8, Cathode Driver Resistor Selection Chart): U1 Category: I J R2: 200K 330K Given that you say the burned out resistors are "large" I am going to guess that you are looking for R3 and R4. Here's the layout toward the rear of the board if that helps. Q4 R7 R5 Q2 R6 Q3 R2 ---U5--- R1 ---U4--- ---U3--- -------- -------- ---U1--- -------- -----------J1----------- Q1 R3 R4 > What is the power input requirements for the HP-97? 12.8VAC (from paragraph 2-42). Actually there is a flowchart that includes a test for the AC adapter. For approximately 115VAC input, the output should be between V(in)/10.55 and V(in)/7.82; for 230VAC input, the output should be between V(in)/21.1 and V(in)/15.65. The next part of the test is to connect a 10 Ohm +/- 5% 5W load across the output of the AC adapter and measure the voltage across the load; it should be between 6.2 and 7.4VAC. Hope this helps! NB- I read your message in comp.sys.hp.misc. It looks like you might have posted it to classiccmp too. I am a bit behind reading that. Feel free to repost this there. -Frank McConnell

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what is this? IBM powerstation

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> I've started collecting old IBM machines, (brand loyalty) and today came > across a machine called an IBM powerstation 550e. it looks very much like an > apple /// except it has two floppy drives, a db9, rj11,.and 3 db25 ports on > the back. i havent powered it up yet as i'm still trying to figure out how to > open it. I'm off work this week, so I cant ask any of the old IBMers what > this is. anyone know? Rather than merely endorsing William D's comments, I think I have one or two things to add... 1. The keyboards on our RS/6000s at work look exactly like PS/2 keyboards except there is an ID number printed in the margin of the Num Lock lamp sticker. It does not have the huge quantity of extra keys found on the 3270 workstations that I used to work with. 2. The RS/6000 are not very closely related physically to the 6150 (RT PC) family. Certainly neither our model 320 nor 375 have ISA slots - the slots are much more like the ones you describe. 3. However, I am puzzled by your physical description. I too expected a large tower for a 500 series powerstation. In fact I cannot think of any IBM product that looked like an Apple /// except possibly the Datamaster. Could the name Powerstation have been used for something other than RS/6000s? Philip.

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CC> Victor 9000 down the hall

by Eros＠mail.dec.com

Geez, I remember that one. A office equipment company I used to work for sold those, along with some Xerox DOS box (800, maybe?), CPT word processing stations and CADO multiuser systems. My first foray into investments was buying 100 shares of Victor Technologies stock at $3/share. <<flush!>> :-) -- Tony Eros Digital Equipment Corporation ---------- From: Sam Ismail[SMTP:dastar@crl.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 2:55 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: CC> Victor 9000 down the hall How funny. For the past several days, everytime I walk down the hall of my office to go to the loo, I notice this odd looking computer in another company's suite. I can only see the back of it, but I can tell it is not a PC because it seems to have centronics ports on the back, although I only catch quick glimpses because I'm walking by at my usual energetic clip. Well tonight I stopped to gawk at it while the cleaning person had their door open and sure enough its a Victor 9000. I look across the desk to another computer and see a monitor with the "Victor" nameplate on it as well. What a trip. Someone in my building is actually still using a computer which I consider part of my vintage computer collection. I'm going to talk to them and see what they are using on it. Must be some old accounting or insurance or real estate or something application. I don't know what their business is because their name is "Vanier & Associates" so it could be a front company for an international arms smuggling operation for all I know. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Nicolet 290 needs home

by krh03＠csufresno.edu

Found this on alt.folklore.computers We have a working (or at least it was) Nicolet 290 computer. that need to vacate the room its been taking up for the last 20+ years. This system is rigged up as a test bench for an MRI system (that's all still there too) and we have all the manuals, disk packs, paper tape programs, banks of core memory etc etc.. I plan to do a small inventory of the parts and pieces but if I don't find it a home soon it'll get smashed up. Does anyone know anything about these computers? I have no idea what else they may have been used for or how rare this thing is. Anything anyone knows about it could be helpful towards finding it a proper home. BTW.. Size wise you're looking at a large console with a plotter built in and a short 19 inch rack plus many boxes of disk packs (Diablo) and manuals. Ken Montgomery CSU Sacramento kenm(a)csus.edu (Ken Montgomery) I've never heard of a Nicolet 290... What is it? Ken Harbit krh03(a)cvip.fresno.com

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Calling all Seattle and area readers

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

Hi there, I will be in Bellevue WA for a week, arriving Saturday 4th Oct, leaving Fri 10 Oct. Anything going on that I would kick myself for missing? Regards, Hans B Pufal

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what is this? IBM powerstation

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

concerning this powerstation, i doubt its a risc machine; i have an IBM PC RT which i will post about later, and that is entirely different from this box. i cannot see the main board because of the two floppy drives which are tilted up. there is 4 card slots, but they're not ISA. they look like long continuous ISA slots, about 6-7 inches long with a disk controller installed. the machine "posts" but i've no floppy and no video (yet) this machine also didnt have a key. just some latches which were pulled and the top came off. In a message dated 97-09-30 21:16:02 EDT, you write: << It is probably an older RS/6000 - however, I have never heard of a 550e (then again, IBM makes a lot of weird stuff). The 500 series RS/6000s are largish deskside towers. The desktop machines are the 200 and 300 series. Open the thing up! If it is an old RS/6000, it will have a processor board with eight or so big nasty looking chips - the Power RISC processor. The only thing that may give you trouble is that the key (if it has one) must be in the service position to get the cover off. >>

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generic 386 motherboard and processor available...

by manney＠nwohio.com

Sure. How much do you want? (uh...is it over 10 yrs old? This is *classic* computers, remember!) Is it an SX or DX? What MHz? Any RAM? manney(a)nwohio.com >Someplace around here, I've got a 386 motherboard and processor, that >replaced an >old DEC 33 mhz unit.. No clue (off the top of my head) who made it.. >Anybody want >the thing?

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what is this? IBM powerstation

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I've started collecting old IBM machines, (brand loyalty) and today came across a machine called an IBM powerstation 550e. it looks very much like an apple /// except it has two floppy drives, a db9, rj11,.and 3 db25 ports on the back. i havent powered it up yet as i'm still trying to figure out how to open it. I'm off work this week, so I cant ask any of the old IBMers what this is. anyone know? david

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what is this? IBM powerstation

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Well, the physical description sounds a bit odd, but from the model number I believe you've got one of the early, pre-PowerPC RS/6000 RISC boxes. Hope it came with a keyboard... although they have standard-looking PS/2-style keyboard connectors, the RS/6000 boxes require a specific keyboard that looks kind of like a PC/3270 keyboard, with a built-in speaker. I've been looking for a keyboard for a friend of mine's machine for quite a while. Kai > -----Original Message----- > From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com [SMTP:SUPRDAVE@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 4:46 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: what is this? IBM powerstation > > I've started collecting old IBM machines, (brand loyalty) and today > came > across a machine called an IBM powerstation 550e. it looks very much > like an > apple /// except it has two floppy drives, a db9, rj11,.and 3 db25 > ports on > the back. i havent powered it up yet as i'm still trying to figure out > how to > open it. I'm off work this week, so I cant ask any of the old IBMers > what > this is. anyone know? > > david

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CC> AT&T terminal

by dastar＠crl.com

I've seen two interesting AT&T terminals lately. Both of them are the same. The screen is rather larger and squarish (about 10" both dimensions). The most interesting thing is it has what seems to be a carthridge slot on the side. There is a long white flap on the base unit that pushes in to reveal an card socket. Anyone have any ideas what the slot is for? Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Advanced Integration Research Motherboard

by lddgibson＠erols.com

I have a 486lc motherboard and need to know about any of the settings (i.e. jumpers and dip switch) and what the memory config is. thanks

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F100K

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Several days ago, William Donzelli wrote: > Was any machine (most likely mainframe class) ever built using F100K ECL > (the super fast stuff - even today)? The family is small but well thought > out, and includes some rather bizarre functions. When I went to Munich to visit my German pen friend 4+/-1 years ago, the Technical University of Munich had just thrown one out. It was made by Control Data Corp., and had a model number like 220 or something. Bernhard was then a student there, and got some bits as souvenirs. I did some swapping and ended up with 4M 18-bit words of 40 and 45 ns static RAM for possible use in one of my systems (I haven't yet!) and, as a museum piece, a card from the CPU. This CPU card was covered on one side in surface mounted 100000 series ECL, which I believe is the same as F100K. The other side of the card had a thin layer of insulator and a thick layer of steel - presumably to interface thermally to a cooling system. Philip.

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[Fwd: North Star Horizons For Sale]

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

A possible opportunity for someone... See attached message -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174 [ Part 2: "Included Message" ] Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:09:09 GMT From: Mike Stute <lilthug(a)metronet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.northstar, dfw.forsale Subject: North Star Horizons For Sale I have 2 North Star Horizons and an Imsai 8080 that need a new home. I'm in the Dallas area. Make Offer. Mike (972) 242-1271

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Apple II hard drive??

by thedm＠sunflower.com

GS/OS 6.01 you have to have a ROM01 motherboard and you can't make your partitions larger than 32megs each, thats the max for prodos. I made four 25meg partitions. Use one for system and apps. one for games, one for testing and one for downloads/temp etc ---------- > From: John R. Keys Jr. <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Apple II hard drive?? > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 1969 6:00 PM > > What OS version are you running, I could not get a 80 meg drive to work on > the GS using Apple brand SCSI card. > At 12:28 PM 9/29/97 -0500, you wrote: > >go scsi, www.allelec.com I have a 100meg scsi on my GS > > > >---------- > >> From: Richard A. Cini, Jr. <rcini(a)classic.msn.com> > >> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > >> Subject: Apple II hard drive?? > >> Date: Monday, September 29, 1997 12:06 PM > >> > >> > >> What's the best solution for attaching some form of mass-storage to an > >Apple > >> II+? > >> > >> > >> > >> Rich Cini/WUGNET > >> <rcini(a)msn.com> > > > >

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IBM System/34 available for collection. Free to a good home.

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Daniel A. Seagraves said: >At the place where I keep my 11/44, the owner has an IBM System/34. It's >a largish beige brick. Chances are good I'll never get it (Can't store >it), and it can't be left there. All the owner (Murrel) wants is to avoid >paying to have it removed. I thought he wanted money for it, but he >doesn't. It has all sorts of disks & stuff, and I think it's running (Not >sure how to start it, so I can't check.) Tell me how and I may be able >to. It runs RPG-II. It takes 8" floppies. I know it powers on, that's >about all I know. Well, can't help you with the operating info, but where's it located? I have a largish (very dry) basement which would house it nicely, but Californee's a bit out of my way. Northern Wisconsin or Northern Michigan perhaps... Thanks, "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | Why does Hershey's put nutritional Programmer, NorthernWay | information on their candy bar wrappers zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?

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IBM System/34 available for collection. Free to a good home.

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

At the place where I keep my 11/44, the owner has an IBM System/34. It's a largish beige brick. Chances are good I'll never get it (Can't store it), and it can't be left there. All the owner (Murrel) wants is to avoid paying to have it removed. I thought he wanted money for it, but he doesn't. It has all sorts of disks & stuff, and I think it's running (Not sure how to start it, so I can't check.) Tell me how and I may be able to. It runs RPG-II. It takes 8" floppies. I know it powers on, that's about all I know.

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Laser?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I've had several laser machines, which seemed to be of decent quality. in fact, my first computer was a laser 386sxe bought back in 1989 for $800 and still works today. it has a nonstandard power supply, but I found one for sale 3 years ago for $4 which i'm keeping for a spare. I also had the laser xtsl, which was a small 10mhz xt with dual 720k floppy drives. I wish I still had that one. Nowadays, I just have two laser 128 models and two external drives made by them, one for the laser/2c, and one that works on the disk ][ controller. I believe they also made pc compatibles in an apple //c -like form factor. david In a message dated 97-09-30 03:32:27 EDT, J Keys put forth: << Yes they made PC clones as well as Apples, they also made ext drives for PC's, Apples and Commodores. At 01:13 AM 9/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >I knew that Laser made Apple ][ clones - I've seen a few in thrift stores, >but never bought one. But a friend of mine just appeared with a Laser 286/2 - >it's definitely the same logo. Did they make other PC clones? He's from >Toronto - did they sell their PC clones in the US as well? > >Thanks, >>

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CC> Electronic versions of DDJ

by dastar＠crl.com

Does anyone know where I can score digital versions of Dr. Dobbs Journal all the way back to the first issue? Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Laser?

by manney＠nwohio.com

>I knew that Laser made Apple ][ clones - I've seen a few in thrift stores, >but never bought one. But a friend of mine just appeared with a Laser 286/2 - >it's definitely the same logo. Did they make other PC clones? He's from >Toronto - did they sell their PC clones in the US as well? Yes. I have a Laser XT clone (slightly peculiar data cables and -- IIRC -- nonstandard motherboard switch, but a nice, fast "turbo" (8 MHz) XT. Very well built. The keyboard is XT/AT switchable, so I still use it.

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FS: IBM 5100

by manney＠nwohio.com

Thanks to all who showed interest in the 5100... it looks as if the deal is struck. manney(a)nwohio.com

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FS: TRS-80's

by manney＠nwohio.com

A Customer has (4) TRS-80 model 4. All have seen office use, and are not pristine. Some software, WP and database apps. Any interest? manney(a)nwohio.com

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[Fwd: Re: Altair 8800]

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

>From: Eric Chomko <chomko(a)IDT.NET> >Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers >Subject: Re: Altair 8800 >Date: 19 Sep 1997 03:47:25 GMT > >Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> wrote: >: In article <341776C1.426ED8F0(a)odyssee.net>, DAN <dlessard(a)odyssee.net> wrote: >: >Once someone loaded the Micro-Soft Basic into the Altair via switches, >: >paper tape or disk, how did they enter the program? Also through paper >: >tape or did they have a keyboard to write a simple program? > >: Typically they had a Teletype or some other sort of terminal to >: run Basic on. Often, the paper tape reader was part of the teletype. > >TTYs and Altair did not mix. Their 20 milliamp current loop interface was >for shit if I remember correctly. If theyever had one. Can an Altair owner >with a TTY make me a liar? Um, yes. (having a few Altairs and TTYs which I still run) The Altair (MITS) serial cards and 20mil TTYs got along just fine, once you resolved one minor issue. The 20mil drivers on the MITS cards were fine, with the exception that they *did not source the receive (keyboard) loop* ! This was not properly documented anywhere, and caused many a person endless grief trying to get it to run... It would appear that MITS was not the first to approach the issue in this manner (so who knew just what voltage you needed to run??? considering line length and all) since the problem was easily (once you knew the secret) resolved by installing one jumper *in the TTY* which existed for just such a purpose (and was documented in the Teletype manuals). -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Coming up for sale soon: Atari ST stuff + Northstar

by PeterN＠datacom.co.nz

My Father-in-law has finally managed to convince his wife to part with the Atari ST they have. In the process, he'll be disposing a sizeable collection of Atari ST bits and pieces, plus a (as far as I know) a working North Star s-100 CPM box. The catch is that all of this stuff is in New Zealand... I do know he has the following: Atari 1040ST expanded internally to 4MB ICS SCSI interface w/ RTC in external cabinet w/ power supply and broken Syquest 44MB Removable drive Grey scale Hand scanner Video Recored based Backup system Calamus Desktop Publishing software Color monitor (working) Monochrome Monitor (working) Monochrome Monitor (not working) External Floppy Drive Atari 520ST (two of, one working definitely working) various other bits of software. North Star with terminal and 2 360kB FDD, 64Kb RAM (I think) I'll make a second posting once he has inventoried it all, and I'll give his e-mail address as well. I would have taken the stuff myself, but I already have a TRS-80 Model 1 clone sitting around doing very little (apart from taking up room)(and I intend to keep this - my project is to 1. Find Time to do something. 2. Upgrade the FDD interface to High Density. Add a SCSI interface, alter NEWDOS or LDOS to use it. Someday... The ICS SCSI interface lets you hook up just about any sized hard drive - I tried it with a 512MB SCSI drive so far, that seemed to work fine (it flew), but you could hook up a CD-ROM (I think) with the appropriate driver software (the ICS interface comes with a setup disk - I can't remember if that has the CD-ROM driver SW on it). The Atari 1040ST could do with the TOS 1.4(?) or 2.0 TOS upgrade. The 3MB RAM expansion is a little flakey (runs OK 99.99% of the time) Peter Nield, Network Administrator, Fletcher Challenge Limited mailto:petern@fcl.co.nz

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CC> Management suggestion

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 10:31 PM 9/26/97 -0700, you wrote: >I only average about 30 - 50 messages/day and it only takes minutes to look >at them. My sort routine consists of read followed by a manual trash or >classify ... or put the decision off :). At what point (as far as >messages/day) does it make sense to use a filter to sort? I get about 100-150 per day and haven't gotten around to installing Eudora Pro (which includes filtering) yet. Still, one of these days, I'll get around to it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Apple II hard drive??

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

What's the best solution for attaching some form of mass-storage to an Apple II+? Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com>

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Intel 8231A & 8232 Math Co-processor Chips

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I called Intel Customer Service directly - they have no information on thi <chip in their database. Not surprizing, they have lousy memories. My '82 and '83 data books list them. They are preliminary in the '82book. At that time I'd seem them in the flesh and they were about $150 each. The actual chips were a mask trade with AMD for some of intels parts. I don't think intel ever acually made them as the ones I'd seen though intel branded were AMD foundry marks on the die! That was common practice then and likely now. <Obtaining one of these chips is a nice-to-have, not critical, so I'll proba <let this die for now. But thank you, gentlemen, for your assistance! last I'd seen either they were far from cheap! I's suspect if your can find them they will either go cheap of if they sellers know their limited availability real expensive. Also since the sourcing of them was at best questionable many designers stayed away from them. FYI: I looked at them and while they appeared faster than general math routines on a z80 bytime you did the IO to them and all they could be much slower than a good asm coded routine. Allison

28 years, 6 months

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Intel 8231A & 8232 Math Co-processor Chips

by jrbrady＠delphi.com

On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:13:05, Kip Crosby <engine(a)chac.org> wrote: >I called a guy who was a logic designer at Intel during the period and who >has samples of most of the pertinent Intel chips from, say, the 8048 to >current. He has no 8232 and claims never to have seen one or a data sheet >for it. It was so lackadaisically marketed by Intel that he suspects it >was a cross-license from AMD and that someone at Intel objected to the >architecture. I called Intel Customer Service directly - they have no information on this chip in their database. On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:49:24, William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> wrote: >Are both of those chips even still in production? If not, that might be a >real challenge. I remember trying to get one of AMD super neat database >coprocessors, but really felt a great deal of resistance by the sales >people and the distributors. > >One note: many sales offices are decent (Motorola), and will look up (and >copy) data for long gone chips. According to Intel, the 8231A was discontinued in 1996. They mentioned Rochester Electronics as a possible second-source. I accessed Rochester's web site but was unable to locate any reference using their search feature. Obtaining one of these chips is a nice-to-have, not critical, so I'll probably let this die for now. But thank you, gentlemen, for your assistance! Regards, Jason Brady jrbrady(a)delphi.com Seattle, WA

28 years, 6 months

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Apple II hard drive??

by thedm＠sunflower.com

go scsi, www.allelec.com I have a 100meg scsi on my GS ---------- > From: Richard A. Cini, Jr. <rcini(a)classic.msn.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Apple II hard drive?? > Date: Monday, September 29, 1997 12:06 PM > > > What's the best solution for attaching some form of mass-storage to an Apple > II+? > > > > Rich Cini/WUGNET > <rcini(a)msn.com>

28 years, 6 months

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Laser?

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

> I don't know if it is the same company or not, but Laser PC's are very > common in Australia - although the 286's which I knew tended to have > problems with their hard drives. This one sure does - it seems to have ritually destroyed its FAT. > There are also PC/XT's, and 386's. There > were also a couple of Laser laptop/palmtops, along the lines of the Tandy > 100 and Amstrad NC-100. They show up on the second hand market all the > time, and I keep meaning to pick up a couple. Very neat. I'd love to see a scan of one of these. Does anybody know of a source? Thanks for the info, -- Ben Coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley

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Laser?

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Yes it is the one and the same company, in my younger days, I sold computers at Sears, who carried the Laser line. They sold both PC and Apple][ compatables. ---------- > From: Adam Jenkins <adam(a)merlin.net.au> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Laser? > Date: Monday, September 29, 1997 5:36 AM > > >I knew that Laser made Apple ][ clones - I've seen a few in thrift stores, > >but never bought one. But a friend of mine just appeared with a Laser 286/2 - > >it's definitely the same logo. Did they make other PC clones? He's from > >Toronto - did they sell their PC clones in the US as well? > > I don't know if it is the same company or not, but Laser PC's are very > common in Australia - although the 286's which I knew tended to have > problems with their hard drives. There are also PC/XT's, and 386's. There > were also a couple of Laser laptop/palmtops, along the lines of the Tandy > 100 and Amstrad NC-100. They show up on the second hand market all the > time, and I keep meaning to pick up a couple. > > Adam. >

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Laser?

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>I knew that Laser made Apple ][ clones - I've seen a few in thrift stores, >but never bought one. But a friend of mine just appeared with a Laser 286/2 - >it's definitely the same logo. Did they make other PC clones? He's from >Toronto - did they sell their PC clones in the US as well? I don't know if it is the same company or not, but Laser PC's are very common in Australia - although the 286's which I knew tended to have problems with their hard drives. There are also PC/XT's, and 386's. There were also a couple of Laser laptop/palmtops, along the lines of the Tandy 100 and Amstrad NC-100. They show up on the second hand market all the time, and I keep meaning to pick up a couple. Adam.

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Laser?

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

I knew that Laser made Apple ][ clones - I've seen a few in thrift stores, but never bought one. But a friend of mine just appeared with a Laser 286/2 - it's definitely the same logo. Did they make other PC clones? He's from Toronto - did they sell their PC clones in the US as well? Thanks, -- Ben Coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley

28 years, 6 months

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Dead HP-97 calculator

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

This weekend I acquired an HP-97 calculator dating from 1967! It includes a thermal printer and mag card reader. When I got it home I found that it rattled, so I dismantled it and found two large burnt out resistors on the keyboard PCB. The rattle was caused by pieces of these resistors in the case. Does anyone have docs sufficient to determine the replacement parts for these resistors? What is the power input requirements for the HP-97? Regards, Hans B Pufal Comprehensive Computer Catalogue <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/> <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com>

28 years, 6 months

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HP 150 II and MS-DOS 3.2 (fwd)

by more＠camlaw.rutgers.edu

OK. Thanks to you guys, she was able to get the HP 150 II up and running but now needs a copy of DOS 3.2 which supposedly works with this machine. If anyone can help her out, again, please e-mail her! THANKS! LeS ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 01:49:52 -0700 From: Brigid Cumming <bcumming(a)island.net> To: more(a)camlaw.Rutgers.EDU Subject: MS-DOS 3.2 Thanks to help from your mail list, we've got the HP-150 II up & running. By dint of reading the manuals & the FAQ a kind classic computer buff directed us too, we've found we need MS-DOS 3.2 for the HP-150 II to really work. Right now it's running MS-DOS 2.11, the OS for the HP-150, but has a 20 MB hard drive. Do you have a copy of MS-DOS 3.2? Or could your mail list could suggest a source? Yours gratefully, Brigid & John Cumming bcumming(a)island.net

28 years, 6 months

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386 motherboard

by wpe＠interserv.com

This has been tentatively adopted..... Will -- Sorry to have to resort to this, but, due to the myriad of automatic e-mail advertising ("SPAMming") programs out there, I've been forced to modify my "reply to" address. To reply to this message, you must remove the .spamfree from the reply-to address. To those friends, and folks who are trying to contact me with info that I will likely be happy to receive, I apologze for this inconvienence. To those out there, sending all these annoying "junk mail" messages, I say "Oh well...." Will

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This weekend's haul

by Eros＠mail.dec.com

I picked up a complete HP-86B system this weekend. System box, monitor, two dual floppy drives, printer, plotter, documentation, three shoeboxes full of Basic, CP/M and UCSD p-System software and a slew of expansion carts, including: (4) 128K RAM Memory Expansion (2) ROM Expansion w/ Assembler, Matrix, Printer, Plotter ROMS System Monitor Auxiliary Processor HPIB Interface CP/M System Voice Synthesizer Four-slot Extender Interface I'd written software for the HP-85 years ago and picked one up a few months back, so this is a veritable gold mine of Series 80 goodies. Two wannas: Does anyone have a spare Sun monitor that would work with a 3/80? About 10 days ago, I picked up a Lisa 2 with a ProFile drive, but no connector cable. Any leads on where I might snag a cable? -- Tony Eros ---------- From: John R. Keys Jr.[SMTP:jrkeys@concentric.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 1969 7:00 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Good weekend Well Saturday made up for a slow week of finds. In that one day I was able to pick up and save the following: Commodore 1902 monitor, 2-Mac 128's one with KB & mouse, Platinum Mac Plus with KB & mouse, Apple IIgs with RGB monitor & ext 3.5 & 51/4 drives,Epson FX80 printer, 4-Kraft joysticks new in box, Applecolor Composite monitor, Mac numpad/trackball combo by Assimilation, SB midi kit, and BluePrint C64 cartridge. Also during the week picked up a Okidata OL400 laser for $5 and Radius Powerview $8 both from Goodwill. From Savers got a new in box Softstrip System Reader by Cauzin. That was my week for the most part other manuals and software that I got. I should have enough Mac's to fill the request I have from some of you by the end of next week. Keep computing!

28 years, 6 months

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an interesting round-up

by dastar＠crl.com

Ok, here's some of what I arrested into the custody of my collection yesterday. A zero-emission Mac 512K. This is truly bizarre. Its a normal looking Mac 512K until you look closer and notice there is a second built-in floppy on the right-hand side, oriented vertically. The brightness knob is missing from the front and replaced with a little square that is the same color and texture as the rest of the case. It was moved to the back. The power cord is not detachable like on a normal Mac but is instead permanently attached. The external disk drive connector is gone, and so is the slot where you can insert a security cable; its covered over. Opening this thing is half-past a bitch and a quarter till a pain in the ass. I finally get it open by removing all the screws on the DB-9 connectors on the back and find a totally shielded interior. The disk drives and motherboard are encased in aluminum. The monitor has a gold foil pasted to its entire exterior. The video cable is shielded inside a heavy duty stranded shielding, as well as the cable going to the second disk drive. Even the DB-9 connectors have extra shielding around them. It was made by a company called Systematics General in Sterling, Virginia. Anyone know anything about these? I also collected several DEC boards I am assuming go to a PDP-11. Someone help me identify these: DEC M8045 - 32K 18 BIT MOS MEM (guess that one is pretty obvious) (note: I have two of these. On the board they have M8045 but on the front tab one says M8044 DF and the other M8044DB) M7949 M7957 - ASYN MUX M7551-CA - Definitely looks like a memory board M7136 - LPWR GS-2 (?) This one has a busted chip but upon close examination it looks like the IC is still intact with the spider-web fine wires still attached to the wafer. Half the silicon is missing but I can still see its an AMD chip. Looking at the front of the card with the edge connectors down, its on the bottom row of chips, third chip from the left. Looks like it starts with AMPALI5R?? Next row of numbers is 84H90 maybe? M8013 - RLV11 DISK CONTROL Can't find the part number on this next one but its clearly labelled RDRX DISK CONTROLLER. M7135 - ??? This one has five 24 pin chips with lots of gold with a big square chip next to them. A scrappers dream with all the gold on this sucker. USDC (this is what is stamped on the board). All I can see of this board is 10-1108-02, with the 02 being scrawled into a solder pad. Has an AMD 8418 and what looks to be a Fairchild MBL8086-2 (CPU?) on it. I only say Farichild because it has an F with a line above and below it. Also has a couple 64K EPROMS. Finally, it has a 50 pin connector on the top (don't know what its type is called but it looks like ::::::::::::::::::). These boards were sitting in a scrap bin and some are pretty scuffed up. I don't even know if they work. Some need some solder repair work. All are pretty much in tact. The only major damage is that one broken PAL. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

28 years, 6 months

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Apple Stuff on AuctionWeb

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

I just listed some Apple parts on AuctionWeb. Also some old mac software and a RS Model 100. See the links below for more info and to bid. Bidding seems to be down overall so there are some good deals to be had. I just want to clear out this stuff. Also have a couple Apple IIGS computers not on the auction I need to sell if anyone is interested. Radio Shack Model 100 Laptop Computer (photo) Current bid: $70.38 Auction ends on: 09/28/97, 14:36:03 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=511656 Lot of OLD Mac Game Software (128/512/Plus) Current bid: $8.00 Auction ends on: 10/03/97, 22:39:08 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=646295 Lot 2 of OLD Mac Game Software (128/512/Plus) Current bid: $9.50 Auction ends on: 10/03/97, 22:47:11 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=646404 Lot 3 of OLD Mac Game/SW Disks (128/512/Plus) Current bid: $8.00 Auction ends on: 10/03/97, 23:27:50 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=646683 Apple Laserwriter II DC Power Supply Bidding starts at: $1.00 Auction ends on: 10/04/97, 14:36:31 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=658085 Apple Imagewriter II CPU Board - New in Box Bidding starts at: $1.00 Auction ends on: 10/04/97, 14:41:50 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=658185 Mac SE Main Logic Board FDHD Current bid: $1.00 Auction ends on: 10/04/97, 14:53:36 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=658461 Apple IIc Factory Replacement Floppy - New! Bidding starts at: $1.00 Auction ends on: 10/04/97, 14:56:51 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=658535 Lot of Apple Service Parts, in Boxes! Bidding starts at: $1.00 Auction ends on: 10/04/97, 15:09:16 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=658806 Apple IIc Main Logic Board - New in Box! Bidding starts at: $1.00 Auction ends on: 10/04/97, 15:13:08 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=658909 Mac II Power Supply Bidding starts at: $1.00 Auction ends on: 10/04/97, 15:17:14 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=659010 Apple Imagewriter II Printer Current bid: $3.00 Auction ends on: 10/04/97, 17:52:19 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=663059 Apple IIC Computer (Photo) Current bid: $3.00 Auction ends on: 10/04/97, 17:55:49 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=663175 Thanks for reading!.....Greg

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Good weekend

by marvin＠rain.org

John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > Well Saturday made up for a slow week of finds. In that one day I was able > > to pick up and save the following: Commodore 1902 monitor, 2-Mac 128's one > > with KB & mouse, Platinum Mac Plus with KB & mouse, Apple IIgs with RGB Subject: Good weekend Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 -0500 From: "John R. Keys Jr." <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Well Saturday made up for a slow week of finds. In that one day I was able to pick up and save the following: Commodore 1902 monitor, 2-Mac 128's one Can you loan me your time machine and show me how to set it to about 1976? Notice the date of your message :). Nice finds!

28 years, 6 months

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Fellow needs a VAX: Anyone?

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Found this while poking around on Usenet. If someone would be kind enough to forward the author any info on VAXen that may need rescue, I'm sure he'd appreciate it. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- I am looking for a VAX system, any one will do, it will be basically used as a learning system for college students. Please contact me at ashwood(a)email.msn.com with any offers Joseph Ashwood ashwood(a)email.msn.com -=-=- <snip> -=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL SUBJECT TO $500.00 PROOFREADING FEE PER ITEM SENT. SENDING ME SUCH UNSOLICITED ITEMS CONSTITUTES UNDERSTANDING AND ACCEPTANCE OF THESE TERMS. Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://www.wizards.net/technoid -- kyrrin2-At-Wizards-Dot-Net "...Spam is bad. Spam wastes resources. Spam is theft of service. Don't spam, period..."

28 years, 6 months

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TRS-80 Disk/Video Interface

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Hi All, Pardon my stupid question, I know nothing about Trash 80's. OK, the question of the day is what is this? It looks like you are supposed to plug a ribbon cable into the bottom, and connect it to a computer. I've been looking for TRS-80 stuff to add to my collection, so far I've only got a CoCo2, so when I saw this for $8 I grabbed it. It's got one 5 1/4" drive in it, and a spot to stick another. On the back is a plug for TV, and another for a monitor (they both look the same). Which TRS-80 was this for? Thanks, Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

28 years, 6 months

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generic 386 motherboard and processor available...

by wpe＠interserv.com

Someplace around here, I've got a 386 motherboard and processor, that replaced an old DEC 33 mhz unit.. No clue (off the top of my head) who made it.. Anybody want the thing? Will -- Sorry to have to resort to this, but, due to the myriad of automatic e-mail advertising ("SPAMming") programs out there, I've been forced to modify my "reply to" address. To reply to this message, you must remove the .spamfree from the reply-to address. To those friends, and folks who are trying to contact me with info that I will likely be happy to receive, I apologze for this inconvienence. To those out there, sending all these annoying "junk mail" messages, I say "Oh well...." Will

28 years, 6 months

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Hoo, boy...

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Is it just me, or does anyone else on the list think this fellow's going to be owning the stuff he's plugging a -long- time at his prices? -=-=- <snip> -=-=- How can I add my name to receive this list? c-bristol(a)usa.net TABLE OF CONTENTS: 1. SOUND EQUIPMENT 2. COMPUTER ANTIQUES (CORE memory, etc.) 3. COMPUTER EQUIPMENT (IBM style; non-IBM style) 4. OFFICE EQUIPMENT and FURNITURE (Fireproof Cab) 5. MISC. (Tools, Elec.Test Equip.,Bikes,Backpack) 6. BUILDING MATERIALS and TOOLS 7. THINGS I WANT TO BUY / TRADE FOR <remainder read, many prices laughed at, then snipped> -=-=- <snip> -=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

28 years, 6 months

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Spare Discrete Components?

by jrbrady＠delphi.com

Many collectors have multiple systems and peripherals that can be cannibalized for parts if anything in their primary machine fails, but what about maintaining an inventory of discrete components such as ICs or those 150,000 Mfd filter capacitors? I reviewed the availability of parts for many of my systems and found that most components are readily available. Others were more difficult to locate or were listed under another industry part number (e.g., a "25LS2521" is actually a "74LS688"). Do you think it's worth the effort to purchase spare discrete components? Are there any specific categories of devices or parts that are prone to damage, failure, or extinction? Regards, Jason Brady jrbrady(a)delphi.com Seattle, WA

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Prices (Re: DEC PDP-11's, Peripherals, Docs, Unix, etc. for sale; L.A.,CA.)

by c-bristol＠usa.net

I'm sorry, I don't know what this stuff is worth. I bought my PDP-11 stuff when it was still worth something. I paid $5,000 for the 11/45, and $1,000 for the Emulex SC21/B1, to make a home Unix system in 1983. Just ignore my prices and make any offer. Did I hear an offer of $30 + shipping for the SC21/B1? ?? Buy the way, I already sold about 15 items (mostly stereo stuff) from this list at almost the prices I asked. So on the computer stuff, please ignore my prices, but try to pay me enough to crate it up if you are not able to pick it up in L.A. ---------- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: DEC PDP-11's, Peripherals, Docs, Unix, etc. for sale; L.A.,CA. Date: Friday, September 26, 1997 10:26 PM >> FLOPPY DISK DRIVE, DSD, 2 8" floppies in 10" rack box, runs a=20 >> PDP-11, copy of DEC RX01, $95. Optional: RT-11 set, source, > ^^^^^^^ >> XXDP Diagnostics, on floppies > >If Mentec gets wind that you're selling the source to a still-supported >operating system like RT-11, you better get a lawyer - and a good one! Well he did say he was planning on leaving the country! :^) Actually he's been trying to sell this stuff for quite some time, I first saw this when I was doing a search on 19" racks and DejaNews pulled it up, I think that was in July. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Mac Programmer | +----------------------------------+---------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Apple III+ questions

by engine＠chac.org

At 08:41 9/27/97 -0500, you wrote: >I have alot of original software and docs for the ///, but not the ///+, >but if I know my history right, they ///+ was just basically the version >that worked :) I'm researching that now, and, not quite. The original, buggy /// started shipping in September 1980. There was a revised, mostly fixed version also called the /// that was introduced in December 1981. The ///+ didn't appear till December 1983 and both models were discontinued in April 1984....so that's why most of us don't have a ///+. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

28 years, 6 months

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Nicolet 290 needs home

by engine＠chac.org

At 06:14 9/27/97 +0000, Ken Harbit wrote: >> We have a working (or at least it was) Nicolet 290 computer.... > Does anyone know anything about these computers? I have no idea what >else they may have been used for or how rare this thing is.... > >I've never heard of a Nicolet 290... What is it? I have a funny feeling it has something to do with http://www.nicimg.com , which is what you get if you stuff +"Nicolet" into AltaVista. And since they're in San Diego, this computer may be on my turf, oh joy. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

28 years, 6 months

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Apple III+ questions

by MicroAge97＠aol.com

hello, My friend say the apple/// should be able to boot off the profile.... but he hasn't used one on an aplle ///, just lisa's. dave

28 years, 6 months

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Apple III+ questions

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Okay, where to begin: I have several ///'s but no plus, so needless to say, im jealous:) The AA's are factory, they go to the clock circuit to retain the time, some later regular ///'s had this as well. {clone pc's use this method as well, like old DTK's} The profile drive is more tricky, I have one too and it works. It is not a bootable device, you need a "catalyst" disk, that's the disk that runs the card and initialized the drive. It has some kind of menu system you edit to bring up like a dosshell kinda of thing to select items, This I havent figured out yet, when I go into the "catalyst editor" i get a file now found. Mine came loaded and working. I have alot of original software and docs for the ///, but not the ///+, but if I know my history right, they ///+ was just basically the version that worked :) ---------- > From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Apple III+ questions > Date: Saturday, September 27, 1997 12:01 AM > > Hi, > Got a Apple III+ yesterday, not sure if it works, haven't powered it up > yet, it was such a mess that I'm working on cleaning it up first. > > I just cracked the case open and notice that it has three AA batteries in a > battery holder between the floppy drive and the power supply. They're in > front of where the cards go. Finding AA's strike me as more than a little > odd! Is this a user modification? > > Also I've been lucky enough to get a Profile drive with it, and the > controller card is in the computer. As I've said, I've not powered the > system up yet, is there anything here I should be aware of. Does it boot > off of the HD or just the floppy? I do have a boot floppy, but I've no > idea if it's any good. > > Zane > > > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | > | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | > | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Mac Programmer | > +----------------------------------+---------------------------+ > | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | and the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | > | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | >

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FS: IBM 5100 & need Apple FDD

by manney＠nwohio.com

$500 is the top offer so far. (that was more than I'd hoped to get). Manney -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Manney <Manney> Date: Friday, September 26, 1997 1:16 PM Subject: Re: FS: IBM 5100 & need Apple FDD >On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, PG Manney wrote: > >> I have a complete IBM 5100 system available (CPU, external drives, printer, >> all documentation). Works fine, so far as I know. >> >> Unfortunately, the guy has some money into it, and wants some for it. >> >> It is in Northwestern Ohio. >> >> Offers? > >$100? > >> p.s. I need an Apple disk drive...anyone have one? Is any one out there an >> Apple expert and is interested in answering questions? If so, please e-mail >> me. > >Ask away. I grew up on Apple. I also have several disk drives >available, plus controller cards, and other stuff. What did you need? > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > > > >

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CLASSICCMP digest 187

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Hey Sam, I told the last guy, they want $10, $10 for my pain + shipping (cheap for you, he was in Chicago). Get back to me ASAP! Greg Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:21:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Goodwill Stuff Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970926222040.17970F-100000(a)crl4.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Greg Mast wrote: > TI 99/4 Expansion Module. Big heavy sucker. Has a floppy in it and an > interface cable. Hey Greg, I'm interested in this. If no one else has jumped on it please grab it for me. How much is it? Thanks. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Goodwill Stuff

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

I was at the Goodwill today and came across a couple interesting finds. The problem is that I'm trying not to accumulate any more of this stuff. If someone is interested in one of these, maybe we can work it out. I am in Central CA so shipping is kind of a pain for me. I guess you could make me an offer then I'll see if I can get it, then we'll do a deal. I'd just like to make it worth my trouble. I didn't buy these so if you're interested, send me an offer I guess. I'll cruise over there tomorrow and see if they're still around. Hate to see them get tossed. Email me before 9 AM PDT tomorrow or I doubt if I'll get over there again until middle of next week. TI 99/4 Expansion Module. Big heavy sucker. Has a floppy in it and an interface cable. Osborne Executive portable, works, KB, 5" (or so) amber monitor.

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CC> Management suggestion

by engine＠chac.org

Since I've been on the list for a few days now, I'm getting used to the volume of the traffic, but I have a suggestion to make managing it a bit easier. Like most of us, I suspect, I like to segregate the received traffic so I can archive it. Why don't we take a leaf from CYHIST's playbook and start putting a flag at the front of the Subject: (as I did above) to make it easier to sort? This would be especially valuable for me since I receive both list and non-list mail from a few people. TIA, __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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DEC PDP-11's, Peripherals, Docs, Unix, etc. for sale; L.A., CA.

by c-bristol＠usa.net

How can I add my name to receive this list? c-bristol(a)usa.net TABLE OF CONTENTS: 1. SOUND EQUIPMENT 2. COMPUTER ANTIQUES (CORE memory, etc.) 3. COMPUTER EQUIPMENT (IBM style; non-IBM style) 4. OFFICE EQUIPMENT and FURNITURE (Fireproof Cab) 5. MISC. (Tools, Elec.Test Equip.,Bikes,Backpack) 6. BUILDING MATERIALS and TOOLS 7. THINGS I WANT TO BUY / TRADE FOR REPLY TO: c-bristol(a)usa.net From: Chris Bristol, a private party. All items are in Los Angeles, CA, USA. Reason for sale: moving overseas. All prices are very negotiable, and trades possible. ** COMPUTER ANTIQUES for your desktop or office wall, *********** ****************************** "an emerging collectable" ******** CORE MEMORY BOARDS: These are very pretty after you open the covers and show off the core planes. This type of memory was invented by Jay Forester of MIT in about 1955. Some of my boards are from MIT from my college days. The "1" or "0" is stored in little donut about 1 to 2mm in diameter--one donut per bit. Each donut is threaded by hand with two wires, one in the X axis, and one in the Y axis. This makes something that looks like a weird SciFi fabric. Then the fabric "planes" are stacked about 1/2 deep total. The thousands of hair-thin wires were hand assembled, generally by oriental women. Each wire connects to driver IC's and transistors, and control logic. This memory was non-volatile. These boards are mostly 16Kbytes, some 32Kbytes. They have pretty gold contacts, from the days before about 1968 when gold was thick and fixed at $20 per ounce. They were made for the PDP-11. Many of them work fine, if you have a PDP-11. Hang it on your wall in a glass case, to show you are not wet behind the ears in the computer business. Every computer museum should have one. $50 per board. HUGE FLOPPY DISKS, 8", Drive for this (DSD RX01) is below at $95. Put one or two of these 8" floppies on your wall, adding a 5 1/4" (also available) and 3 1/2" next to it. 8" floppies for $9 each, light to mail. PAPER TAPE: I have two paper tape readers, both work I think. I got one while at MIT, and it was built by an MIT company back in around 1960. It is all aluminum and stainless steel, very pretty. The other is a more normal factory made unit. I also have some fan-fold paper tape for these. My paper tape is software and diagnostics for DEC PDP-11's. $25. IBM CARDS: "Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate" they used to say. These have Fortran and other programs and data on them. Some cards have UCLA logo. $25. VERY BIG TAPE DRIVES, like you see in the movies. $130 for two, see listing under "PERTEC" below. Also, see below "DECTAPE", a very funny tape drive. In operation, both move back and forth all the time. The perfect atmosphere for your Cyber Caf?. Or buy a whole PDP-11 and display it, and maybe operate it. **** COMPUTER EQUIPMENT: ************************************** *IBM STYLE OR CAN BE USED WITH IBM: **************************** TAPE CARTIDGES, have about 30, $110 all obo, 3M DC-600, DC-300, DC-300A, 80 MB capacity, large 5" wide cartridges, many new shrink wrapped. IBM AT clone, Intel 80286 CPU, 12 SLOTS (ISA) good for hobbyist (normal is more like 6 slots or less), 1 MB Ram, Serial, Parallel, 40MB Seagate HDD, 2 5 1/4" floppies - one 1.2MB, Monochrome Monitor (orange phosphor) plugged into Hercules /CGA/MGA compatible display card, DOS 3.2, Framework, etc. software included, word processing, $100 all obo. DISK DRIVE, 5 1/4 inch style, 40MB IDE from an IBM AT compatible, 2 of them, $25 each FLOPPY DRIVE, 3 1/2", in its own cute stand-alone case that includes a power supply, $25 PRINTER, Diablo daisy wheel, built in stand on casters, with keyboard (this is a "printing terminal", about 30 characters per second, fully formed. Have 3 identical printers, $35 each. PRINTER, DEC LA36 Decwriter II, with its own stand, with keyboard (this is a "printing terminal"), about 30 characters per second, dot matrix, work horse, can print carbon multipart forms on 14" wide paper, tractor feed, $50. PRINTING portable terminal, Texas Instruments "Silent 700" thermal paper printer, built in acoustic modem (300BPS)and keyboard. $30 *** THE OTHER COMPUTER EQUIPMENT IS NOT IBM STYLE, ********* * MOSTLY OLD DEC PDP-11 STYLE: ****************************** DEC PDP-11/34A with BIG Tape and Disk (6 ft high 1978 computer, cost $25,000) with RT-11 & optional Unix SW, working, $300 DEC PDP 11/45 w BIG tape & disc, 1973 6ft high computer, cost $40,000, w/RT-11 & UNIX software/UNIX license, 16 timeshare ports (DH11), $300 EMULEX disk controller board for DEC-11 or VAX, model SC21/B1, new $4,500, still unused in box, with SMD cables, $300 COMPUTER TERMINAL, "dumb terminal", nice black and white display, high resolution, VT-100 emulation. (This is not a monitor, and not IBM or Mac compatible.) Detached keyboard, from 1985, pretty, with manuals, $80. DISK DRIVE, old removable, model CDC 9762, 80MB "hatbox" disk pack included, pack cleaned and tested, with two sets of SMD cables if you want, a little smaller than a washing machine, works with Emulex above, $150 DISK DRIVE, DEC RK05 removable 2.5MB, with about 5 or 10 cartridges that have been stored nicely in my closet, about 80 lbs, $200 with disk packs. DISK DRIVE, BALL 160 (fixed, 160MB SMD interf, about 80 lbs),$50. DISK DRIVE, WANGCO 5MB top load, rack mount 10" high, 70 lbs, with about 8 disk packs that were well stored, compatible with DEC RL01, $80 with packs FLOPPY DISK DRIVE, DSD, 2 8" floppies in 10" rack box, runs a PDP-11, copy of DEC RX01, $95. Optional: RT-11 set, source, XXDP Diagnostics, on floppies TAPE DRIVES, PERTEC 8640?, 800/1600 PE 10" reel to reel, 9-track, 100 lbs, Pertec unformatted interface, have 2 of them, $130 both TAPE CONTROLLERS, for above to PDP 11, imitate DEC TM11, Complete and worked: Western Peripherals 130, $50, not working: Plessy and another WP copies of TM11. About 8 lbs each for board set, system unit, cables. DH11 16 RS232 port DMA interface for PDP-11, made by DEC, $100 DECTAPE, bracelet size tape reels, hold only 256KB, two drives w/ctrl, big, museum piece, $150. RACKS, DEC H960 general purpose 19" "relay racks", with sides, back, fans, power box, 6'H 21"W 30"D, with rear rails. Start an ISP full of modems or put your stereo in a rack, have 3, $90each RACK, open 19" relay rack, just front frame, on base with casters, 6'H, 20"W, 25"D base on casters, $50 MULTIBUS SYSTEM, disassembled. Ran UNIX, 68000 CPU card, Tashio HDD/floppy controller, HDD (80MB?), Floppy (1.6MB?), Cardcage, RAM, software. $90. DEC Expansion Cabinets (you add controllers and RAM in these boxes, which plug into 120VAC): BA11ES, BA11L, etc. about $60ea DEC MODULES: DL11 serials, M930, Unibus Cables, Printer interface, boxes of misc. boards for PDP-11's, black plastic "bezels", etc. MODEMS: external 1200BPS and 2400BPS. Fancy for their day, 2400 does nice auto dial monitoring. RS-232. $15, $25. DOCUMENTATION: SOFTWARE: UNIX: full sets of docs for v.6, v.7, 4.1BSD, 4.2BSD, 4.3BSD, SUN OS2, SUN OS3, SunView. About 3 big file boxes of UNIX docs. Also have distribution tape of 2.9BSD for PDP-11 licensed to me from SCO (Santa Cruz Operation) and the PDP11 hardware it is licensed for. Cheap! DOCUMENTATION: SOFTWARE: DEC OS: Full set, RT-11 v2, v3, v4, partial RSX-11. Also have the software on floppy and RK05, and the PDP-11's that are licensed to run it. Cheap! Also Heathkit H-11 paper tape operating system, media and docs, new. DOCUMENTATION: HARDWARE: most all DEC PDP-11 docs from 1970-1985. Paper and microfiche. Also docs on compatibles from Plessy, Western Peripherals, Wangco, etc. Set of "Processor Handbooks" and "Perhipheral Handbooks". VIC-20 Commodore computer with tape deck, books, games, works, $75 **** SOUND EQUIPMENT: ***************************************** SPEAKERS, ACOUSTAT II, Audiophile full range electrostatic speakers, 5'H, 2'W, 6"D (thin), each plugs into 120VAC and to your amplifier, uses 4000 volts and no magnets to move silvered plastic film diaphragm, about 1/10 the distortion of conventional magnetic speakers, beautiful "reach out and touch it" realism of mid-range and high end, perfect for classical, simply-mixed vocals and acoustic instruments; appreciated by musicians. Like new with original boxes, black and walnut, new cost $2,200, sell $950 pair. Someone's comments on electrostatic speakers: http://www.digitaltheater.com/reviews/speaker21.html SPEAKERS: JANZEN Z-410 hybrid electrostatic speakers for audiophile. Uses 4 electrostatic panels, each 6" x 6", for mid-range and treble, blended with a conventional magnetic 10" woofer, all in a conventional large bookshelf type case of 15"W x 15"D x 28"H. Good compromise of electrostatic sound and conventional woofer; $500 the pair. TUBE FM TUNER, made by SHERWOOD, white front with gold color trim, brown steel rear case, uses green-glow tuning meter tube, works OK, cool looking, $110. CD PLAYER DECK, PHILLIPS (Netherlands) original CD player, top load, uses real blue-green gas laser (not cheap red LED laser like new players). Good for audiophile.(For your stereo, no amp or speakers included,) Works OK. $75. CASSETTE DECK; TEAC AN360S; High end deck from about 1980. Dolby, CR02 and all that, $65. TURNTABLE: PHILLIPS (Netherlands) 212A audiophile turntable with green touch-light switches for 33 and 45, straight fly-weight arm in integrated floating mount, including top of line Shure V15 type III cartridge, and spare cartridge of same type. Nice sound. $70 RECORD COLLECTION, mostly classic vinyl, a little audiophile. DOLBY B outboard processor, fancy unit made by Dolby labs with 2 huge 5" meters, 5"Hx18"Wx12"D front controls. $50. MXR 10-band stereo equalizer. For musician or home stereo or recording technician. Smaller than a cigar case, no display, only sliders. For portable use. RCA line ins/outs. $85. MIXER, TAPCO 6 in / 1 out mike mixer with 1/4" phone and XLR inputs and mechanical spring reverb. About 30 rotating controls. Condition: is beat up (I bought it used). $80 MICs and STANDS, assorted. POP and CLICK filter processor for LP records **** OFFICE EQUIPMENT AND FURNATURE: ************************** FIREPROOF safe-file cabinets w/S & G combo lock, (changeable), 2 drawer file, weighs about 250 lbs, one hr fire rated, very pro, letter size, 14"W x 33"D x 30"H, have 3, cost $1700 ea., sell $200 each FIREPROOF safe-file cabinet w S & G combo lock, (changeable), 4 drawer file, weighs about 500 lbs, one hr fire rated, very pro, letter size, 14"W x 33"D x 60"H, cost $2600, sell $350 TOOL CABINETS, steel, HD, 10 very deep drawers, for tools or parts, 29"H x 24"W x 30"D, have 2, $50 each TOOL CABINETS, tall, steel, HD, 20 very deep drawers, large, for tools or parts, 59"H x 24"W x 30"D, have 2, originally for IBM cards, $70 each STATIONARY CABINET, steel, 65"H x 30"W x 16"D, black, medium condition, $40 SHELVING, Industrial/warehouse steel type, 10 "units" for 7'H 4'W 3'D shelves, each unit 5 shelves, heavy angle iron verticals, nuts and bolts, most of shelves reinforced front and back, good for about 250 lbs per shelf. Also two units 7'H x 3'W x 3'D. Cost about $1900. Sell $400 all. **** MISC ****************************************************** OSCILOSCOPE, TEKTRONICS RM-31 (rack mount version of 531),Dual-trace 20 MHz, with probes, CA plug in, works well, about 35 lbs, $250. AUDIO SIGNAL GENERATOR, HP, rack mount, 19"W x 8" H x 9" D, 20Hz~20,000Hz, works OK, $50. FLOOR JACK for cars, 2 ton, consumer grade, with 2 jack-stands,$30. BLOCK AND TACKLE, large, 3/4" mannila rope, old, strong, $45 FLASH ATTACHMENT, HONEYWELL STROBONAR, used by professional newspaper photographers because puts out a lot of light, enabling shooting 80 feet away, rechargeable, $55. TELEPHONES: Small business telephones, 3 telephones each with 5 lines and hold button, Automatic Electric old style, but touch tone. No controller. All 3 for $75 BSR X-10 Home Automation hardware. A lot of it. 2 radio trasmitters, telephone controller, ultrasonic controller, 3-wire built in outlets, built in dimmer switches, appliance and lamp modules. CASSETTE RECORDER, portable, bigger than a cigar box, GE special variable speed, separately variable pitch using fancy chips, from 50% to 200% speed and no donald duck voice. For speech. AC/DC, cost $275, sell $100. CASSETTE RECORDER, portable, pocket size (walkman size), for dictation, standard cassettes, rechargeable, with extra bat. pack and extra charger, cost $200, sell $85. CASSETTE RECORDER, Sony TC-45, equal to size of a cigar box, with AC adapter, for dictation, good cond, $50. BACKPACK, green, external aluminum frame, med-lrg size, ex comd $20 BICYCLE #1, RALIEGH SUPER COURSE, 10-speed touring bike, top model, Reynolds 531 alum. Frame, alum. Rims, quick release hubs, Heret derailer/shifts, 25.5" frame, made in England, brown, when new was $500, $175. BICYCLE #2, RALIEGH GRAND PRIX, 10-speed touring bike, middle quality model, made in England, Campagnolo (Italy) derailer, 23.5" frame, green, when new was $275, $80. SHEEPSKIN CAR SEAT COVERS, for tall back one-piece with headrest, brand new and NEVER installed, high quality, black color (yes, black, or rather charcoal), cost $150, sell $45 the pair. VACUUM CLEANER, Hoover Dial-a-matic, best home upright ever made, very powerful, good beater brush, with full set of attachments (hose, drapes tool, big and small crevice tool, etc.), hard case, green, $75. VACUUM CLEANER, Kenmore, very old-1950, powerful, tank type, shaped like a big bullet (rotated ellipse cut flat at back) a little art deco, also will attach air to exhaust to become a blower, with attachments and extra paper bags and cloth bag. $50 MIMEOGRAPH PRINTING PRESS, AB DICK, electric, with auto counter shut off, paste ink comes through stencil wrapped on drum onto paper, lowest cost per copy ever (basically cost of the paper), loads 500 sheets at a time, 1 second per copy, popular with SciFi small volume self-publishers, very good condition, used it myself, $80. SO you don't smoke or drink; you're a man with no vices? Buy a.... VICE, large bench vice, maybe 25 lbs, $20 COMPRESSOR and SPRAY PAINT GUN, small cheap kind, 20' air hose, for painting cars, 1 pint gun capacity, can also use for filling car tires, but not enough air volume for most power tools. $50 AIR TANK, portable, looks like 20" high propane tank, stick pressure meter, for taking air to your car and such, $25; optional fancy blow-clean gun with tip set, $15. CHAIR, judge style, 4 casters, swivel and tilt, finished wood base and arm supports, black naugahyde (vinyl) back and armrests, black cloth bottom. $40. CHAIR, office type, low, black vinyl back and arm rests, black cloth bottom, chrome swivel and casters, so-so condition, $15 NIKON camera, model:NIKORMAT, contains meter, twist f-stop setting, with standard lense, about 1975 or earlier, non-AI mount fully manual, non-electric shutter, $125. TV, 12", AC, Black and White, $30. TV, 5", AC/DC (9 x "D" cell), Black and White, $25. TV, 19" color "portable", with remote, little used, $130. CAR REPAIR MANUALS: BMW 2002, 2x 3" looseleaf binders, orig. factory fancy manual, costs about $150, sell $45, also Haynes for 2002 thrown in // Chiltons for Toyota 4x4 pickup circa 1984 // Honda 600 factory looseleaf and Haynes both $35. ANSWERING MACHINES for telephone, older style, have two, both use two cassettes, simple Sanyo $30; Fancy Tandy 150 solinoid mech. and date/time digitally on tape, $55. DESK LAMPS, Flourescent (2 long tubes) adjustable arm clamp on type, old, have 3 of them, $15 each. **** BUILDING MATERIALS / TOOLS: ***************************** 12 AWG Wire for house wiring, solid, single conductor (for pulling) THNN, White, 2 500 foot spools, new, $20 both. SNAKE for pulling above wire, about 30 foot, used once, in yellow plastic $15. TAR PAPER, 1 roll, about 3' x 100' $15 FLOORING, 6' x 6' fake-wood parquet vinyl, Armstrong thick no-glue type, $12 **** THINGS I WANT TO BUY OR WILL TAKE IN TRADE FOR THE ABOVE **** DBX 4, DBX 3, or other COMPANDER (compressor-expander). This is a stereo sound processing box. Will also consider a peak limiter. POWER AMPLIFIER, stereo, at least 200 watts per channel, prefer MOSFET like products of David Hafler. COMPUTER STUFF, will not buy these, but will take in trade for things I am selling: any parts for Pentium style system, including VGA or SVGA monitor, color ink jet printer. PARTS FOR MY AUDIO AMPLIFIER: some very large capacitors, >50,000 Mfd, >125 WVDC / Transformer to build 105VDC 500Watt amplifier power supply (about 78 VAC RMS or 157 center-tap, over 6 Amps). CONVERSION of my 1/2" 9 Track big reel computer tapes to TR-3 or CD-ROM wanted. My 1/2" tapes are Unix Tar format. **** END OF LIST REPLY TO: c-bristol(a)usa.net I am a private party in Los Angeles, CA, USA.

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Apple III+ questions

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Hi, Got a Apple III+ yesterday, not sure if it works, haven't powered it up yet, it was such a mess that I'm working on cleaning it up first. I just cracked the case open and notice that it has three AA batteries in a battery holder between the floppy drive and the power supply. They're in front of where the cards go. Finding AA's strike me as more than a little odd! Is this a user modification? Also I've been lucky enough to get a Profile drive with it, and the controller card is in the computer. As I've said, I've not powered the system up yet, is there anything here I should be aware of. Does it boot off of the HD or just the floppy? I do have a boot floppy, but I've no idea if it's any good. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Mac Programmer | +----------------------------------+---------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Restoration questions.

by adam＠merlin.net.au

> I've got an Apple-I that I'm going to take out of a box in the attic and >try to set back up for showing/playing. Oooh. You have no idea what I would do just to see one of them, much less what I would do to own one. :) >I've seen several postings about what components "should" or "shouldn't" >be in a vintage system. What's the feeling on replacing TTL chips, voltage >regulators, etc? Should I scour the land to find "vintage" parts or can I >buy stuff from regular electronics stores? (I don't actually KNOW that I >need to replace anything yet, just asking) I also suggest that you try to be original, and document everything. And if you can avoid replacment, do so. The Apple I is a genuine collectable computer, and as such should be treated as per any genuine collectable - the more original it is, the more valuable it will be. >On a similar note: The Apple-I was a kit. Mine's just a bare board mounted >inside a plain aluminum box. Was there ever a case made for these? Or did >everyone just do what the guy who put mine together did? Apple sold them to "The Byte Shop" with no case, power supply or keyboard (all available seperatly), but in order to increase the sales the store commisioned cases from a local cabinetmaker. These were made of koa wood, and look extremly nice (to my tastes). I've always thought it would be keen to have a computer in a wooden case, but apple clearly beat me to it. Anyway, I believe I have a small gif around here somewhere of the Apple I in it's koa wood case - would you like me to send it along to you as an attachment? Adam.

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Spare Discrete Components?

by jrbrady＠delphi.com

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> wrote: >It really depends on you. Many of us are packrats that keep just about >anything more useful than a burnt out light bulb. Others do not want to Uh, that's me -- much to the chagrin of my better half. >By all means, use this list for parts requests! Unless what you need is >truely exotic, I think (hope) most of us would sell the spare for the Ok, how about a 9511A or 9512 math co-processor chip (Intel 8231A or 8232)? The Intel web site has info on the 8231A only. Jameco, JDR Microdevices, and about 10 other catalogs make no mention of them. Thanks, Jason Brady jrbrady(a)delphi.com Seattle, WA

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Spare Discrete Components?

by jrbrady＠delphi.com

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> wrote: > :-). You've been looking at Compupro boards, haven't you? Tim, how'dja guess that? ;-) >I've got a small number of spare 25LS2521/74LS688's available if you >need them. (For those not in the know, these are address comparators >used on Compupro's S-100 boards.) That's okay, I have spares. >It is very worthwhile to have "backup" (i.e. paper and/or magnetic >media versions) of EPROM's and PAL's. Uh, oh. Compupro had a love affair with PALs. At least I have a programmer for the EPROMs. PALs are new to me - is stability an issue with these devices? > The most commonly blown parts >are line drivers, I find - and these are commodity parts most >of the time (i.e. 1488's/1489's). And the tantalum capacitors. Regards, Jason Brady jrbrady(a)delphi.com Seattle, WA

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HP 150 II (fwd)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Tony Duell <ard(a)odin.phy.bris.ac.uk> writes: > 1) Touchscreen is an user-installable option

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Spare Discrete Components?

by jrbrady＠delphi.com

On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >Indeed. Sorting out things like that (and noting it in the service >manual) is a pleasant morning's work with a pile of data books. It helps >if you already know the TTL and standard EPROM pinouts. Working with electronics is a hobby, not my profession, so I don't mind doing a fair amount of research. For me it's the best way to learn, and I enjoy the challenge. [It helps repair the damage to my brain done during the day by my regular job!] Regards, Jason Brady jrbrady(a)delphi.com Seattle, WA

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FS: IBM 5100 & need Apple FDD

by manney＠nwohio.com

I have a complete IBM 5100 system available (CPU, external drives, printer, all documentation). Works fine, so far as I know. Unfortunately, the guy has some money into it, and wants some for it. It is in Northwestern Ohio. Offers? manney(a)nwohio.com p.s. I need an Apple disk drive...anyone have one? Is any one out there an Apple expert and is interested in answering questions? If so, please e-mail me.

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Trs80 model 4

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Nope, didn't know it was there. About all I know is how to format and copy. I'll have to look at that, thanks. ---------- > From: Charles E. Fox <foxvideo(a)wincom.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Trs80 model 4 > Date: Friday, September 26, 1997 11:26 AM > > At 02:35 PM 9/25/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Anyone have a term program for this machine? Preferably on a disk that > >TRSDOS62 will read? > > > > > > > Have you checked out the "comm" utility program that is supposed to be > included in TRSDOS6? In my manual it is listed as "a communications package > for use with the RS-232C hardware".

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Computers in Movies (was: War Games)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 09:48 AM 9/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >Do you remember what the palm top was in T2? Atari Portfolio (with the rare ATM interface kit (aka, the Tramiel special)) 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Trs80 model 4

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Anyone have a term program for this machine? Preferably on a disk that TRSDOS62 will read?

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TRS-80 model 4

by thedm＠sunflower.com

That's too bad, Id love to get ahold of some software, just a boot disk is boring..... ---------- > From: Kip Crosby <engine(a)chac.org> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: TRS-80 model 4 > Date: Friday, September 26, 1997 10:12 AM > > Well, I was startled last night. > > I went to Back to School Night in my son's tenth-grade classes, walked into > one of the rooms (which was obviously shared among several subjects) and > there....were about seven TRS-80 model 4's, networked -- or at least set up > with some kind of print sharing -- and clearly in daily use. Unfortunately > my son's teacher wasn't the one who used them, so she knew nothing about them. > > __________________________________________ > Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org > http://www.chac.org/index.html > Computer History Association of California >

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by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 03:17 PM 9/24/97 -0600, you wrote: >lifetime! Once it gets to this point, it will cease to be a 'fun' >hobby, and will turn into a commercialized, over-marketed >'investment vehicle'. Coin & Stamp collecting, Baseball cards, and Not all coin collecting is like that. Certainly, modern US (with the grading services and all) is like that, but there are still many areas of numismatics that are still open to hobbiests. Large cents, Fugio Cents (my personal favorite), colonials, canadian, a lot of foreign, tokens, and so on still offer lots of opportunity for learning, research, and fun, without being so sanitary and heartless as a lot of such hobbies. Important note: Buy the book before you buy the coin. Know what you are doing, or you *will* get burned. (There's a company ala QVC that sells coins on TV at night -- Things like 3 Susan B. Anthony dollars for $10, when you can go to the post office and get the exact same thing for $3.) I think that even if the collecting of original PC's and Imsai's and such becomes too mainstream, there will still be plenty for the rest of us. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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TRS-80 model 4

by engine＠chac.org

Well, I was startled last night. I went to Back to School Night in my son's tenth-grade classes, walked into one of the rooms (which was obviously shared among several subjects) and there....were about seven TRS-80 model 4's, networked -- or at least set up with some kind of print sharing -- and clearly in daily use. Unfortunately my son's teacher wasn't the one who used them, so she knew nothing about them. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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F100K

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Was any machine (most likely mainframe class) ever built using F100K ECL <(the super fast stuff - even today)? The family is small but well thought <out, and includes some rather bizarre functions. I'm not certain but it may be in the VAX9000 series. It was all ECL and the ecl was built up into special modules to control heat and compact the circuitry (for less wire). It was a fast machine but costly to build and would get real upset if the cooling failed.. Allison

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Are these really worth keeping?

by engine＠chac.org

At 20:07 9/25/97 -0500, you wrote: >What does that mean for those of us that show up at British car meets and >park next to the pristine Rollses, jags, bentleys, and so on, in mud-covered >Land Rovers? 8^) It means hearing a lot of people say "Hey, Roger! I see you got it running again!" ;-) __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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Spare Discrete Components?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I also do a considerable amount of electronic design, so have a lot of <the common stuff (TTL, signal transistors, op-amps, passives, etc) for that I'm an engineer and do a lot of selfbuilt as well and the only way is to have what I call the bottomless junkbox. I mean I have about 10+ xerox paper boxes (holds 10 reams of A4 paper) full of old boards and loose parts. and another 10-20 divided covered trays of parts many new (in 1979!) though old as when I bought I'd get 10 as they were cheap even if I only needed one. Even expensive chips I'd get two to have a spare. I'm not fussy about replacing a 1977 datecode with 1990 as repairs are simply that. Keep in mind function is my goal. Allison

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Are these really worth keeping?

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 02:38 PM 9/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >I agree. It's also interesting to read between the lines of this thread >and note that some people would definately be the type to do "concours" >restorations. (Personally, I draw the line at worrying about the color of >the ribbon cables.) What does that mean for those of us that show up at British car meets and park next to the pristine Rollses, jags, bentleys, and so on, in mud-covered Land Rovers? 8^) Personally, I like computers in as new condition as possible, but I'm not fanatically about it, and Upgrades/expansions don't matter much to me. I actually like used machines because they have a history behind them. Someone used them, and maybe they added a bigger hard disk or a better video card. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 04:44 PM 9/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >This is particularly evident in the realm of old games. If you have an >old Ultima for the Apple ][, complete with everything it came with, it >will fetch a pretty penny. I did a search at Amazon.Com for "Atari" and was surprised to see quite a few 8-bit games and programs show up, and with prices like $50. I think they were pretty much all labeled "Special Order", but they were listed... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Computers on Telly (was: War Games)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

Miscellaneous Computer-related shows have been mentioned (Whiz Kids, Knight Rider, Riptide, Automan, etc.) but have y'all seen a show called Reboot? It's animated, and shown (generally, I think) saturday mornings on ABC (Again, I think). It takes place inside a computer and the good guys are always battling the evil virii, and such. All the characters are computer-related terms/objects. It's definitely worth watching at least once. (I was turned onto it in Ottawa, Canada, so I know it gets around somewhat.) Of course, there's no David Hassellhoff... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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[Vax equipment freely available]

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

An opportunity for someone in the Detroit area: >From: "eaml" <eaml(a)ix.netcom.com> >Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >Subject: Vax equipment freely available >Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:48:22 -0400 > >We currently have the following equipment freely available to anyone >interested: > >MicroVAX II >Letter Writer 100 >VT240(broken) > > >There is no warranty or maintenance on this equipment.This is a donation to >the VMS community. >The only thing we ask is that you pick it up from our premises at: > > >Gallagher Kaiser Corp. >13710 Mt Elliott >Detroit MI 48212 >Phone (313) 368-3100 > >Fax (313) 368-0415 > >Attn: Emilio Moreno Ext. #123 > --- Replys/inquirys to the address shown in the message. I'm just forwarding this along! -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Restoration questions.

by bjorn＠ktb.net

Hi, I've got an Apple-I that I'm going to take out of a box in the attic and try to set back up for showing/playing. I've seen several postings about what components "should" or "shouldn't" be in a vintage system. What's the feeling on replacing TTL chips, voltage regulators, etc? Should I scour the land to find "vintage" parts or can I buy stuff from regular electronics stores? (I don't actually KNOW that I need to replace anything yet, just asking) On a similar note: The Apple-I was a kit. Mine's just a bare board mounted inside a plain aluminum box. Was there ever a case made for these? Or did everyone just do what the guy who put mine together did? One last question: The Apple-I has on-board voltage regulators, diodes etc. to be used with a Do-it-yourself transformer setup. Can I just bypass all that and use a power supply from a PC with leads connected to the regulated side of things? The board uses the ususal +/-5V and +/-12V if I remember correctly... Thanks for any tips, Bjorn Eng

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apple][ PC bus card

by allisonp＠world.std.com

AS a result of finding a tandy 1000 I also aquired (in said tandy) a Diamond Computer Systems Trackstar-128. What it is that I know of. It is a 128k apple][ board that resides in a XT PC and can use the PC disks or external apple compatable disks to run apple OS and programs. I have the borad and very thin installation manual for it. it however is totally lacking in software. What makes it interesting is there are two 65sc02p-1s on it. Any further data or software for it would be of interest. Also information on the 65SC02 would be of interest. I know it's basically 6502 but I've been told the later versions have extensions to the basic instruction set. Allison

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apple][ PC bus card

by pb14＠leicester.ac.uk

> On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Allison J Parent wrote: > > > Also information on the 65SC02 would be of interest. I know it's basically > > 6502 but I've been told the later versions have extensions to the basic > > instruction set. > There was some discussion on chip differences recently in the Apple II newsgroups so you may pick it up using something like DejaNews. The 65SC02 was apparently also used in the Franklin Ace 2200, an Apple IIe-ish clone, and some games allegedly did not like the fact that it wasn't a 65C02. Phil ************************************************************** Phil Beesley -- Computer Officer -- Distributed Systems Suppport University of Leicester Tel (0)116 252-2231 E-Mail pb14(a)le.ac.uk

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apple][ PC bus card

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Speaking of Ko0ky apple stuff, I got an Appletalk PC card. M2050. I have the box and card and docs. Anyone have the darn software? What can this thing do? I also got a complete TOPS set, with two isa cards and farralon jacks. ---------- > From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: apple][ PC bus card > Date: Thursday, September 25, 1997 11:38 AM > > On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Allison J Parent wrote: > > > Also information on the 65SC02 would be of interest. I know it's basically > > 6502 but I've been told the later versions have extensions to the basic > > instruction set. > > The 65C02 runs slightly faster than the 6502 (1.1Mhz vs 1Mhz?) as well as > having an expanded instruction set. I never got into using any 65C02 > instructions so I don't know what they'd be. Mostly it expanded the > addressing modes of some existing operations as well as adding some > addressing modes to instructions which didn't have any before (I think). > I'm not the person to ask I guess :) > > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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HCS

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

it used to be historical(a)aol.com i checked the member profile for that name but it doesnt mention anything about a historical computer society though. you might want to email him directly and find out for sure. In a message dated 97-09-24 20:22:07 EDT, you write: << If you can find out more about them let me know I sent a check to them for their magazine and never got one issue. At 07:12 PM 9/23/97 +0000, you wrote: >Does anyone know if the Historical Computer Society is still going? >If it is, how can I get in touch with them? > >Ken Harbit >krh03(a)cvip.fresno.com >>

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On the hunt at Goodwill . . . .

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

The previous message contained my employee's name and adress (WRONG), sorry. >At 13.44 23/09/97 -0600, you wrote: >>You have to keep in mind though, that this Thrift Store stuff is >>strictly "as-is". If it dosen't work, or if it's flakey, tough luck >>guy, you bought it. >Ah, ok if it is "as is" (that here clearly mean "it's broken") 10 $ or less are ok. > > >>Having been burned numerous times by paying too >>much for junk that flat out didn't work, I have resolved NEVER to pay >>more than $10 for disk drives (of any sort). >I FULLY AGREE (and been burned too). > >> >>You know somebody who would pay $60 for a USED 1541? Hm, I wonder how >>hard it is to get past Italian Customs . . . >Yes, this is the real trouble. >It depends how "expert" is the man in charge to controll stuff. >If he recognize the stuff as used and "out-of-fashion" he will probably be human; otherwise it will cost >as gold. Riccardo

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Another recycler

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

Found this on the web today, don't know where he is located but whoever is in that area might like to make contact with him.... > Attention: We are interested in purchasing your obsolete electronic > equipment and other expendable assets. Since 1984, SGS Computer > Corporation has been designing custom programs for those assets that no > longer have value to your organization. We buy PC?s to mainframes, > circuit boards to test equipment. We can pay on a per pound basis when > approximate. We can remarket your items whenever possible for > additional revenue. > > We take it all!! We don?t cherry pick. (Larger quantities are > encouraged) > > Ask for: Joe Grimm > SGS Computer Corporation > www.sgsasset.com > e-mail sgsasset(a)apk.net > Call 800-348-1946 Fax (440) 786-8107 Regards, Hans

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On the hunt at Goodwill . . . .

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Geez, you must not be on the west coast. Around here, VIC-20/C64/C128 hardware is like weeds. There isn't a thrift store in the entire Seattle area without a Commodore piece for <=$5. Can't give 'em away -- literally. Kai > ---------- > From: Jeff Kaneko[SMTP:Jeff.Kaneko@ifrsys.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, September 22, 1997 12:30 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: On the hunt at Goodwill . . . . > > Guys: > > I dredged this up from comp.sys.cbm. Alot of you guys out there have > been talking about hunting down 'Heavy Iron'. Here's one who's struck > the Mother Lode of 'Lite Plastic'. I sure wish I knew where this > place was . . . . > > > Jeff > > ------------>>>> Forewarded Message Follows<<<<--------------- >

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HCS

by engine＠chac.org

At 18:00 12/31/70 -0500, you wrote: >If you can find out more about them let me know I sent a check to them for >their magazine and never got one issue. Their last issue was #9 and I think it came out about eighteen months ago. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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Good Thrift shops in Los Angeles?

by bjorn＠ktb.net

Hi folks, All this talk of dirt cheap computers in thrift shops is making my mouth water! ;) Anyone know of any good stores in the Los Angeles area? (Or is that like asking a cook for a secret recipe?). Thanks, Bjorn Eng

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Are these really worth keeping?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

> On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, John Ruschmeyer wrote: > > > I could use some advice here... > > > > I'm starting to sort through the misc. parts and accessories that > I've > > collected over the years and am wondering if certain things are > really > > worth keeping, such as: > > > > 1200 baud modems (Hayes external, Racal Vadic VA212LC) > 1200 bps modems are unlikely to ever be collectible. 300 baud acoustic coupled are worth keeping, plus the first Hayes SmartModem. > > CGA cards > Actual IBM CGA cards are a must-keep. > > Hercules and MDA mono cards > Original Hercules brand cards (as opposed to compatible) and IBM Monochrome Display Adapter cards are also must-keeps. > > Generic XT floppy controllers > Genuine IBM floppy controllers should be saved. Kai

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Hey guys?

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I have a tandy model4 and need a term program. I found a website with all kinds of software. Can the model 4 read a PC generated floppy?

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Are these really worth keeping?

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

> Then on a > very different level, there's the market for original distribution > software, such as WordStar 1.x-2.x, dBASE II for CP/M, early Multiplan, > etc. which if mint and complete are offered at $50 to $150. This is particularly evident in the realm of old games. If you have an old Ultima for the Apple ][, complete with everything it came with, it will fetch a pretty penny. -- Ben Coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley

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Computers in Movies (was: War Games)

by FAIAZMC＠hsd.utc.com

EXCELLENT! ---------- From: Uncle Roger To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: RE: Computers in Movies (was: War Games) Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 5:02PM At 09:48 AM 9/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >Do you remember what the palm top was in T2? Atari Portfolio (with the rare ATM interface kit (aka, the Tramiel special)) 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Computers in Movies (was: War Games)

by FAIAZMC＠hsd.utc.com

Yes it was the Portfolio! ---------- From: Anthony Clifton To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: RE: Computers in Movies (was: War Games) Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 12:59PM On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Faiaz, Michael C. HSD wrote: > Do you remember what the palm top was in T2? It was a little Atari palmtop I believe. Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime

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Are these really worth keeping?

by engine＠chac.org

At 14:38 9/24/97 -0400, John Ruschmeyer wrote: >It makes one wonder whether there will someday be a market for >reproductions of computer manuals, FCC stickers, etc. the same way that >such a market exists in the automobile collecting world. Well, there's already such a thing. First of all, look at the market for "work docs," Xerox copies of manuals that people need to get things going. I admit that these usually change hands for $5 to $10 or the cost of copying, whichever is higher, but the commerce is flourishing. Then on a very different level, there's the market for original distribution software, such as WordStar 1.x-2.x, dBASE II for CP/M, early Multiplan, etc. which if mint and complete are offered at $50 to $150. I cannot prove, but I would bet, that there are already "forgeries" of things like Apple I cassette BASIC and Micro-Soft black paper tapes. And....what price an original set of Apple I manuals? __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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looking for NS* ZPB-A

by allisonp＠world.std.com

HI, I'm looking for a Northstar* ZPB-A z80 cpu board. I'd like to have a spare for my Horizon. Allison

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Are these really worth keeping?

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> > There are a few IBM cards that I've never seen and would love to get. Top > > of my list is a PGC (professional graphics controller) - a 2 board set > > that contained an 8088-based graphics accellerator. It emulated a CGA card > > > (I think) but had extra modes as well. Another thing I would like is a > > Data Aquisition and Control adapter. > > I acquired one of the PGA boards and I passed up an opportunity a couple of > years ago to get the IBM monitor that went with it. BTW, I am assuming here > that what you are referring to as PGC is the same thing I am referring to as > PGA. I see them occasionally and will keep you in mind the next time I find > one if you like. AFAIK, PGA=PGC. IIRC, VGA pixel resolution by lots of colours. When I was working for IBM, I installed a PGC for a customer; I helped with demos involving PGC and DACA (Yes, another nice piece of kit) but I never had a chance to acquire any of that stuff :-( :-( :-( The PGC was three (Tony, am I right, or am I just imagining the middle board?) boards bolted together, with the outer two going in adjacent slots of an AT or XT motherboard. Wouldn't go on a 5-slot PC of course. Now that would be a hack... PGC came with a new sticker for the _back_ of your PC - now no longer a class B but a class A computer according to FCC rules (which thankfully don't apply in the UK, but things are getting worse with our Electromagnetic Compatibility directive) Philip.

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War Games

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

Recently Sam remarked: >A neat thing: at the end of the movie during the credits they get to >thanking those who provided technical assistance. The first company >listed is none other than "CompuPro Division, Godbout Electronics". >Very >cool! Others listed were Televideo, Fischer-Freitas (why does that >sound It may have been Fisher (I'll check at lunch today, but they were ex IMSAI employees who set up in business after IMSAI's demise supporting the old machines. Just read "Fire in the Valley" ;-) >familiar and did I get the Fischer part right?), Memorex, Qume, and Hans

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War Games

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Anthony Clifton said: >In addition, I'd like to have episodes of Riptide on tape, which also >featured a hacker as a main character along with a goofy robot. No >Knight Rider thank you...intelligent cars just don't trip my trigger. Sorry, tho I did like Riptide while it was on, Knight Rider is much better of the two for me... Let's put this into perspective: Riptide: Geeky guy who takes junk and builds robots with it to try to win friendship with two macho PI's and almost never gets laid... Knight Rider: Super-intelligent gorgeous _babe_ designs & builds ultimate 300mph _babe-magnet_ that can drive itself while you [circle one] (look at)(chat with)(make whoopie with) _babes_, or play Intellivision if there are no babes around... ;^> ;^> It's the Sandra Bullock syndrome all over again.... but I like it! (Tho I'll definately concede the point that 40-column Apple ][ basic listings filled with nothing but PRINT statements is not what I'd consider to give intelligence to a car... :-) Of course, how they got that Apple ][ to play Intellivision games was a technological wonder! ;-) [the mind's not totally clear on the Intellivision point, but I'm sure it was a commercially available video game system... It's been a while since I've seen it] Just MHO, "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | Why does Hershey's put nutritional Programmer, NorthernWay | information on their candy bar wrappers zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?

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HP 2100A stuff - info needed

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Tony Duell <ard(a)odin.phy.bris.ac.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, William Donzelli wrote: > > > > > > 2895B Tape Punch #1632A03303 FACIT model 4070 > > > > > > > > Yep, this is a badge-engineered Facit paper-tape punch. > > > > Mine came with some sort of rack mount kit that I have not been able to > > comprehend yet. I think I am missing parts. > > There is a rackmount kit shown in the Facit 4070 service manual/parts > catalogue (which I have). I can look up how that one goes together and > post details. > > >From memory it consists of a frame that fits round the 4070 chassis (the > 4070 sits with the reels on the right, and the reels themselves vertical. > There are little friction pads at the bottom to prevent it sliding out, > and clamp screws that go in from the top to hold it in place. The whole > frame mounts in the rack in the usual way. I have one of the HP rack mounts in my living room right now (on its way to storage with the punch). Unfortunately I can't post pictures for y'all but here is how it goes. Basically it is a sliding shelf with a front, with a hole in the front for the chad box to poke through. There's a little metal plate screwed to the shelf near the front, as well as a couple of black plastic circles toward the rear. Those are just guides to keep the punch >from wiggling around too much as it punches. There are also a couple of dividers screwed down and held apart with standoffs toward the left of the shelf. At a guess these make a handy place to store a few reels of paper tape for when you have to refill the punch. Finally there are screw-downs for a twisted pair of wires that go up to a power light mounted in the front of the rack. Well, it's supposed to be there, the lightbulb is missing on mine; I think it got mashed in shipment. The shelf needs to slide so you can get tape off the takeup reel (if you don't just let it spill out the front), get at the punch's controls and most of the tape path, and feed the punch. Oh, also note that there is a little widget at center rear between the shelf and the frame; this is to keep the shelf from sliding out due to vibration >from the punch. > I _believe_ there's a special (metal?) chad box and front lid on rackmount > 4070's. Oh, and the writing on the control panel is turned through 90 > degrees so that it's readable when the unit is in the rack. All my 4070's > are table-top models. It isn't clear to me that my 2895 punch is any different from a table-top unit. Smoked-plastic chad box, BTW. > > My sense (i.e. ears) tell me that the power supply is a switching type, > > probably one of the first for computers, an is probably a bear to fix. Of > > course, all of the house numbered HP parts does not help either. > > Switching PSUs don't bother me. The HP seems to have a large 50/60Hz > transformer, so the chopper is (I guess) on the low voltage side anyway > (like on most PDP11s). That sort of supply is not that hard to fix _given > schematics_. Heck, if I can get a Boschert 2-stage running again, I can > handle just about anything :-) OK OK OK. I am planning on pulling all my 2100 manuals out for y'all. I can't do it just yet, though; there are other things ahead in the queue. Maybe this weekend if I can get some other pieces into place. Fair warning: I am a software kind of guy; I know what a schematic looks like but you shouldn't count on much more. OTOH, I can work a photocopier. If y'all are interested in a little story about the 2100 power supply, I suggest getting Analytical Engine 2.3 from CHAC's web/ftp site and reading the interview with Barney Oliver. One spoiler: yes, it is a switching power supply, and there was something patentable in its design. -Frank McConnell

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Computers in Movies (was: War Games)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

did everyone else also notice that when the kids were at the bank hacking the atm, as the pin numbers were scrolling down, it was making old mac disk drive access sounds? =D david In a message dated 97-09-24 13:02:55 EDT, you write: << On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Faiaz, Michael C. HSD wrote: > Do you remember what the palm top was in T2? It was a little Atari palmtop I believe. Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime >>

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War Games

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Make all the words you utter soft and sweet, for you never know, which ones you will someday have to eat. :) ---------- > From: Anthony Clifton <wirehead(a)retrocomputing.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: War Games > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 11:52 AM > > > > > > "Do you remember when you asked me to tell you when you were acting > > > rudely and insensitively? Well, you're doing it right now." It sounds > > > EXACTLY like conversations between me and this skinny techno-dweeb I work > > > with. > > > > I wouldn't let guys like that work at my company. > > Er....two responses.... > > Judge not lest ye be judged. > > ...and the thing about walking in another guy's footwear. > > Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime >

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HP 150 II (fwd)

by more＠camlaw.rutgers.edu

Anybody that can help her out? (What's a HP150 anyway?) She is not a subscriber to this list so if you can help, please e-mail her directly. Thanks! LeS ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:57:51 -0700 From: Brigid Cumming <bcumming(a)island.net> To: more(a)camlaw.Rutgers.EDU Subject: HP 150 II My husband brought home a touchscreen Hewlett Packard 150 II. He has its original manuals & it fires up fine. Could you help me find more information on and applications for this computer? Thanks, Brigid Cumming bcumming(a)island.net

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Computers in Movies (was: War Games)

by FAIAZMC＠hsd.utc.com

Do you remember what the palm top was in T2? ---------- From: Uncle Roger To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Computers in Movies (was: War Games) Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 3:37AM At 02:09 PM 9/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >First, why use a 300 baud acoustic coupler (which strangely seems to >operate at 300, 1200, 2400, 9600, 19200 and 38400 during different >scenes) when you've got a perfectly good 1200 baud direct connect sitting >on the monitor? On a similar note, Anyone else notice that Messrs. Redford, Poitier, et al were using an Atari 830 300bps Acoustic Coupler for their super-duper, high-tech, bounce-around-the-world phone call to James Earl Jones? And in True Stories, the talking heads guy (whose name I can't remember this late at night) ran into the nerd from Varicor in the mall as he was coming out of a store loaded down with 8-bit atari stuff. And in Terminator 2, the scientist is working at his desk full of Atari 16-bit stuff (including at least a TT) when the kid's mom tries to blow him away. When he does finally bite the big one, it's in a room full of old HP 7925 & 7933 disk drives -- Could it be coincidence that just before T2 came out, HP was having a big promo to turn those in as trade-ins on newer drives? I don't think so! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Not Sam, CRL (was: For Sam Ismail)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 09:38 PM 9/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >Sam I've been trying to send message to you for over a week. I get yours but >can't reply. Here is a sample of what I get. The problem is that CRL (Sam's and My provider) has arbitrarily decided to cut off incoming mail from various providers. Juno, Earthlink, probably others. They claim it's because they want to stop spam, but not only do I still get 10+ spams a day, but I get it with From: addresses that they've supposedly blocked. Meanwhile, my sister. friends, and clients cannot send me e-mail. Sam can be reached at <vcf(a)siconic.com> and I can be reached at <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net>. I dunno if Paul Coad has another e-mail address or not (He's on CRL too.) >>>> MAIL From:<ccm(a)sentex.net> SIZE=1961 ><<< 550 Access denied >554 <dastar(a)crl.com>... Service unavailable --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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HP 150 II (fwd)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

The HP 150 is a (not) IBM compatible, circa 1985. It's an 8088 that runs a wacky disk format with a correspondingly wacky OEM version of MS-DOS. I have one of these machines, but don't have the DOS for it. It'll run a small subset of early MS-DOS based software that doesn't make any hardware accesses -- sort of the same situation as a DEC Rainbow. There's a FAQ at http://www.mdn.com/oksoftware/Computers/hp150faq.html. Kai > ---------- > From: Mr. Self Destruct[SMTP:more@camlaw.rutgers.edu] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 8:18 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: HP 150 II (fwd) > > > > Anybody that can help her out? > > (What's a HP150 anyway?) > > She is not a subscriber to this list so if you can help, please e-mail > her > directly. > > Thanks! > LeS > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:57:51 -0700 > From: Brigid Cumming <bcumming(a)island.net> > To: more(a)camlaw.Rutgers.EDU > Subject: HP 150 II > > My husband brought home a touchscreen Hewlett Packard 150 II. He has > its > original manuals & it fires up fine. Could you help me find more > information on and applications for this computer? > > Thanks, > Brigid Cumming > bcumming(a)island.net >

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War Games

by dastar＠crl.com

Ok, I went out and rented _War Games_ because I'm a total nerd and wanted to see David's IMSAI. I noticed a couple interesting things in the movie. First, in one scene early on where david is sitting in front of his computer, they show it head on, and you can see sitting on top of his monitor his modem, which had on it "IMSAI 212A MODEM". Did IMSA, in fact, manufacture a 1200 baud modem? He also had an IMSAI labeled keyboard! A neat thing: at the end of the movie during the credits they get to thanking those who provided technical assistance. The first company listed is none other than "CompuPro Division, Godbout Electronics". Very cool! Others listed were Televideo, Fischer-Freitas (why does that sound familiar and did I get the Fischer part right?), Memorex, Qume, and about 10 others. Anyway, pretty cool flick. It combines elements of hacking, phreaking (where he grounds the microphone on the old ground-start payphone, a real ball-sy scene since that was a real-life trick you could pull in those days) and of course classic computers! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Nova 1210

by ard＠odin.phy.bris.ac.uk

I was walking past the scrap pile a few weeks back when I saw a large PCB that appeared to be part of a DG Nova system. Digging a little further produced another 3 boards, the cabinet/PSU (alas missing the fan), and the frontpanel bezel. This identified the machine as a DG Nova 1210. Since there are only 4 slots in the backplane, I think I have all the cards. What I have is a Nova CPU board (with _1_ 74181 - did this machine really have a 4 bit ALU?), a core memory board and 2 custom I/O boards (missing a few TTL chips, but the locations are labeled with the 74xx number, so that's no problem). I am missing the lights/switches board. Does anyone know anything about this machine? I assume it's worth saving. A schematic would be useful (or at least a description of the frontpanel board and its interface), since then I could probably recreate the front panel and get it running again. -tony

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Computers in Movies (was: War Games)

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>On a similar note, Anyone else notice that Messrs. Redford, Poitier, et >al >were using an Atari 830 300bps Acoustic Coupler for their super-duper, >high-tech, bounce-around-the-world phone call to James Earl Jones? While we're playing this, may I point out that in the control room of the Red Dwarf is, in at least one episode, an original C64? I thought that, being a BBC production, they should have at least use the BBC Micro. *grin* Just think, one day some of our old computers will be used to control starships a mile long. Adam.

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Classic Sord computers free for shipping

by ekman＠lysator.liu.se

Hello again! Some time ago I reported on an attic full of Sord computers that only waited for someone to come along and grab them. I have now looked over most of the attic (not all, mind you) and catalogued what I found. It is an interesting list of 40 computers of 17 different types. Mostly Sord, but also some PC compatibles. There is at least one Sord M680UX mini, probably one or two more. Sam and Kevan have already announced that they want several systems, so there will be shipments going both to the US and the UK. The attic in question is in Gothenburg, Sweden, but the more people join in, the cheaper it will be. If you want a list of available stuff (also some printers and a lot of manuals and software) let me know and I will send it to you. Next, I will try to determine what shipping would approximately cost. /F

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Are these really worth keeping?

by manney＠nwohio.com

>> I'm starting to sort through the misc. parts and accessories that I've >> collected over the years and am wondering if certain things are really >> worth keeping, such as: >> >> 1200 baud modems (Hayes external, Racal Vadic VA212LC) >> CGA cards >> Hercules and MDA mono cards >> Generic XT floppy controllers To put in my 2 cents' worth... Up until last year, I sold XT's pretty regularly. This year, I sold two. I *do* still see some acquired out there (last Sunday, I set up a PC for a friend and her kids...she bought it for $9 at an auction) and many of my customers still have the older stuff (good grief -- we still have a couple Epson QX-10's around, in this hick town!) Motherboards are gonna start going rapidly pretty soon, and monitors...nobody makes CGA anymore that I know of...what user (versus collector) is gonna replace a CGA with VGA on an XT? He'll junk the whole thing, and buy a Packard Bell at Wal-Mart (and use it to play Solitaire.) Worth keeping? I think so. Boards don't take up a whole lot of space, and you're going to make a collector *very* happy some day. (I'd take your boards, except that I've already got plenty.) But, it'll be a long time before you sell them!

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Back again kinda

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 12:22 AM 9/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >I dunno about Compaqs, but if it takes standard 2.5" hard drives, Fry's and Whups... You'd think I was on AOL... I forgot to change the TO: address. Sorry! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Computers in Movies (was: War Games)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 02:09 PM 9/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >First, why use a 300 baud acoustic coupler (which strangely seems to >operate at 300, 1200, 2400, 9600, 19200 and 38400 during different >scenes) when you've got a perfectly good 1200 baud direct connect sitting >on the monitor? On a similar note, Anyone else notice that Messrs. Redford, Poitier, et al were using an Atari 830 300bps Acoustic Coupler for their super-duper, high-tech, bounce-around-the-world phone call to James Earl Jones? And in True Stories, the talking heads guy (whose name I can't remember this late at night) ran into the nerd from Varicor in the mall as he was coming out of a store loaded down with 8-bit atari stuff. And in Terminator 2, the scientist is working at his desk full of Atari 16-bit stuff (including at least a TT) when the kid's mom tries to blow him away. When he does finally bite the big one, it's in a room full of old HP 7925 & 7933 disk drives -- Could it be coincidence that just before T2 came out, HP was having a big promo to turn those in as trade-ins on newer drives? I don't think so! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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URLs always wanted

by walgen＠do.isst.fhg.de

On Tuesday, September 23, 1997 8:02 PM, Kip Crosby [SMTP:engine@chac.org] wrote: > Hi, > > I'm thoroughly enjoying being here and I just wanted to remind everybody > that our history page, http://www.chac.org/chhistpg.html , is perennially > in need of new links. As an example, we haven't found a single site yet > that's devoted to classic laptops. > > I'd also appreciate any suggestion of a good win32 link-checking bot > because this page has gotten far, far too voluminous to check by hand. > > Finally, thanks for all the Apple ][ material -- I'm still sifting through it. Hi, I have a small Home-Computer-Museum here in Germany you might want to link: http://192.102.161.122/~walgen/index.html

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HCS

by engine＠chac.org

At 19:12 9/23/97 +0000, Ken Harbit wrote: >Does anyone know if the Historical Computer Society is still going? >If it is, how can I get in touch with them? Their address is 2962 Park Street, #1, Jacksonville FL 32205. historical(a)aol.com was down for a while but I think it works again now. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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War Games

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<WOPR downloaded a Java aplet into his computer that the web browser <continued to execute! C'mon, that one's easy! Actually that was done back then. It was called callback security. you would call in and give account and password if valid the machine would login then log out and then call back to a prearranged number and you would log in again. I used that for my vax to take advantage of the company phone lines being cheaper out going to me that my calling them. <> In the book, when David walks in while Jim Sting is underneath his desk, <> he says "Hey Captain Crunch, I'm from Ma Bell and Boy is she pissed!" < <Nobody would've understood that reference. Nobody would today either. As a former blue boxer and phone hack the pay phone in the dorm had a diode hack so it didn't keep change. My trick on that was to hide the diode in the company distribution box. FYI: I was uing a cosmac elf to do the blue box in the late '70s by spinning loops to make the tones and memory dial. Allison

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Back again kinda

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 02:58 PM 9/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >drive. If anyone knows where to get a cheap hard drive >for a Compaq Contura 430 please let me know ;). I dunno about Compaqs, but if it takes standard 2.5" hard drives, Fry's and NCA (Silicon Valley, but possibly elsewhere) had been selling 500mb 2.5's for under $100. I picked up a 2GB 2.5'er on AuctionWeb for $235 with shipping (Seagate drive). --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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For Sam Ismail - Sorry List Members.

by ccm＠sentex.net

Sam I've been trying to send message to you for over a week. I get yours but can't reply. Here is a sample of what I get. Still interested in helping and chatting about promotion. Hey you should do a post-festival review on the web site and tell people you plan to do this so they'll plan to return to the site after the event. The original message was received at Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:10:01 -0400 (EDT) >from p22a.lithium.sentex.ca [207.245.212.183] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <dastar(a)crl.com> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mail.crl.com.: >>> MAIL From:<ccm(a)sentex.net> SIZE=1961 <<< 550 Access denied 554 <dastar(a)crl.com>... Service unavailable ----- Original message follows ----- Return-Path: ccm(a)sentex.net Received: from p22a.lithium.sentex.ca (p22a.lithium.sentex.ca [207.245.212.183]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA29463 for <dastar(a)crl.com>; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709231110.HAA29463(a)granite.sentex.net> X-Sender: ccm(a)sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> From: ccm(a)sentex.net (COMMPUTERSEUM/Kevin Stumpf) Subject: Re: Yo! Glad to hear from you too. I've been trying to contact you ever since you asked for a informal poll about attendance figures. Your mail keeps bouncing back...and then I'm having difficulty getting online now that school is back...the number is incessantly BUSY. I was gonna pass my messages on to you via the LIST, but couldn't even get online! So I haven't even read this message, but in 9 hours I will respond - got to go to work now. The original message was received at Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:06:56 -0400 (EDT) >from p15a.lithium.sentex.ca [207.245.212.176] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <dastar(a)crl.com> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mail.crl.com.: >>> MAIL From:<ccm(a)sentex.net> SIZE=2966 <<< 550 Access denied 554 <dastar(a)crl.com>... Service unavailable ----- Original message follows ----- Return-Path: ccm(a)sentex.net Received: from p15a.lithium.sentex.ca (p15a.lithium.sentex.ca [207.245.212.176]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA20534 for <dastar(a)crl.com>; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709191106.HAA20534(a)granite.sentex.net> X-Sender: ccm(a)sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> From: ccm(a)sentex.net (COMMPUTERSEUM/Kevin Stumpf) Subject: Re: update, poll & returned mail. I'm am experiencing difficulty getting through to you. Still doing my part and will chat soon. Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:33:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON> Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable To: <ccm(a)sentex.net> Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) The original message was received at Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:33:35 -0400 (EDT) >from p16a.lithium.sentex.ca [207.245.212.177] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <dastar(a)crl.com> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mail.crl.com.: >>> MAIL From:<ccm(a)sentex.net> SIZE=1654 <<< 550 Access denied 554 <dastar(a)crl.com>... Service unavailable ----- Original message follows ----- Return-Path: ccm(a)sentex.net Received: from p16a.lithium.sentex.ca (p16a.lithium.sentex.ca [207.245.212.177]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA05560 for <dastar(a)crl.com>; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709172333.TAA05560(a)granite.sentex.net> X-Sender: ccm(a)sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dastar(a)crl.com From: ccm(a)sentex.net (COMMPUTERSEUM/Kevin Stumpf) Subject: VCF Poll >The original message was received at Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:06:03 -0400 (EDT) >from p11a.neon.sentex.ca [207.245.212.204] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ><dastar(a)crl.com> > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >... while talking to mail.crl.com.: >>>> MAIL From:<ccm(a)sentex.net> SIZE=644 ><<< 550 Access denied >554 <dastar(a)crl.com>... Service unavailable > > ----- Original message follows ----- > >Return-Path: ccm(a)sentex.net >Received: from p11a.neon.sentex.ca (p11a.neon.sentex.ca [207.245.212.204]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA03733 for <dastar(a)crl.com>; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:06:03 -0400 (EDT) >Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:06:03 -0400 (EDT) >Message-Id: <199709170106.VAA03733(a)granite.sentex.net> >X-Sender: ccm(a)sentex.net >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >To: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> >From: ccm(a)sentex.net (COMMPUTERSEUM/Kevin Stumpf) >Subject: Re: VCF Update > >About the informal poll...hope for the best and expect the worst...jah, jah, >but seriously folks you will probably not have enough attendance to break >even. Then again I'm way off in my marketing suggestions, i.e. I recommended >Computerworld and WSJ, but your market are the BBS'ers and a very local, >personal clientele and that's precisely who you are approaching. Right on dude. > >There's my 2 cents. > >Kevin > > > >

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Star Trek for CompuColor II

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Anyone have a copy of this gem? thanks Kai

28 years, 6 months

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Are these really worth keeping?

by manney＠nwohio.com

>There are a few IBM cards that I've never seen and would love to get. Top >of my list is a PGC (professional graphics controller) - a 2 board set >that contained an 8088-based graphics accellerator. It emulated a CGA card >(I think) but had extra modes as well. Another thing I would like is a >Data Aquisition and Control adapter. I have boxes of unclssified PC cards. If you would describe what you wani, I could dig through and see if I come up with wahat you covet. You never know what you'll turn up. I even snagged an ST-412, which I'll put in my "original" PC, when I get around to it. (except I don't have any Xybec HDD controllers. Anyone have one cheap?) Manney

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War Games

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| an overhead display unit of some sort of EXTREMELY high quality. ... made by Stewart Filmscreen Corporation, who also outfitted the NASA Johnson Space Center, Pentagon War Room, and the _real_ NORAD control center. Not to mention ABC, NBC, CBS, Lucasfilm, MGM, Paramount, Disney, Fox, and Universal. Kai

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War Games

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| Ok, we have a conflict of nerd movie trivia here. Was it CompuPro S-100 | boxes or HP Vector Graphics generators? CompuPro/Godbout is in the credits... they obviously didn't supply the IMSAI :) My friend Norm here in the next office swears it was CompuPro boxes. Since he owned a CompuPro at the time the movie was released, I'm inclined to believe him -- apparently it was common knowledge in the CompuPro community. He's very specific about the MicroAngelo S-100 graphics boards that were used. Kai

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War Games

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> What's neat is that this movie came out in 1983, probably filmed in 1982 <> or so. This is still nearly 3 years after the heyday of the IMSAI. Filming likely started in '81 and extended into '82. At that time you had altair (way off the their time), IMSAI, TRS80, Apple][, early PC, atari, commodore, various S100 crates, and some minis to pick from. What the imsai had was a colorful pannel with blinking lights, the only other one that matched that were Ithaca Intersystems s100 crates, and minis most of wich were no longer FP machines. The kid was not supposed to own a mini as a budding hacker. <Did it strike anybody as odd that while David was seen to turn the IMSAI <CPU on at various times, he never once turned on the disk drives? B^} He did a lot of majik that was technically suspect! Most secure systems back then would at best give you three tries at the password and drop you and if you tried the account within 15 minutes you were again dropped and the timer reset. The was to prevent cracking via successive tries. That was an example of commercial systems, secure military would not even have outside access that wasn't encrypted and highly secure. Allison

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Another source not to forget..

by wpe＠interserv.com

Another source to consider for classic stuff is the eubiquitous ((sp?) here in the Eastern Ma. area, anyway) "yard (or tag) sale". Saturday, I found a "roll table" built for DEC's old WT78 (revised VT52) word processor.. Paid U.S. $20 for it.. Best PC stand I've ever seen! Will -- Sorry to have to resort to this, but, due to the myriad of automatic e-mail advertising ("SPAMming") programs out there, I've been forced to modify my "reply to" address. To reply to this message, you must remove the .spamfree from the reply-to address. To those friends, and folks who are trying to contact me with info that I will likely be happy to receive, I apologze for this inconvienence. To those out there, sending all these annoying "junk mail" messages, I say "Oh well...." Will

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Intellivision stuff claimed!

by FAIAZMC＠hsd.utc.com

Allison, Can you send me a list of what you got? ---------- From: will emerson To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Intellivision stuff claimed! Date: Saturday, September 13, 1997 8:40PM Hello Everyone, Allison Parent has taken over custody of the Intellivision stuff.. Will -- Sorry to have to resort to this, but, due to the myriad of automatic e-mail advertising ("SPAMming") programs out there, I've been forced to modify my "reply to" address. To reply to this message, you must remove the .spamfree from the reply-to address. To those friends, and folks who are trying to contact me with info that I will likely be happy to receive, I apologze for this inconvienence. To those out there, sending all these annoying "junk mail" messages, I say "Oh well...." Will

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HCS

by krh03＠csufresno.edu

Does anyone know if the Historical Computer Society is still going? If it is, how can I get in touch with them? Ken Harbit krh03(a)cvip.fresno.com

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URLs always wanted

by engine＠chac.org

Hi, I'm thoroughly enjoying being here and I just wanted to remind everybody that our history page, http://www.chac.org/chhistpg.html , is perennially in need of new links. As an example, we haven't found a single site yet that's devoted to classic laptops. I'd also appreciate any suggestion of a good win32 link-checking bot because this page has gotten far, far too voluminous to check by hand. Finally, thanks for all the Apple ][ material -- I'm still sifting through it. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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War Games

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Believe it or not, all of the war room displays were generated by 4 CompuPro S-100 boxes with MicroAngelo graphics cards; thus the Godbout/CompuPro inclusion in the credits. Kai > ---------- > From: Sam Ismail[SMTP:dastar@crl.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, September 22, 1997 11:30 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: War Games > > > Ok, I went out and rented _War Games_ because I'm a total nerd and > wanted > to see David's IMSAI. I noticed a couple interesting things in the > movie. First, in one scene early on where david is sitting in front > of > his computer, they show it head on, and you can see sitting on top of > his > monitor his modem, which had on it "IMSAI 212A MODEM". Did IMSA, in > fact, manufacture a 1200 baud modem? He also had an IMSAI labeled > keyboard! > > A neat thing: at the end of the movie during the credits they get to > thanking those who provided technical assistance. The first company > listed is none other than "CompuPro Division, Godbout Electronics". > Very > cool! Others listed were Televideo, Fischer-Freitas (why does that > sound > familiar and did I get the Fischer part right?), Memorex, Qume, and > about > 10 others. > > Anyway, pretty cool flick. It combines elements of hacking, phreaking > > (where he grounds the microphone on the old ground-start payphone, a > real > ball-sy scene since that was a real-life trick you could pull in those > > days) and of course classic computers! > > > Sam Alternate e-mail: > dastar(a)siconic.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, > Writer, Jackass > > Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! >

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HP 2100A stuff - info needed

by fmc＠reanimators.org

> With all of the commotion on pdp8-lovers concerning old HP stuff in > Michigan, I decided to take a look at what I have. I have no software or > paper with my "pile" (no rack, that was kept by the previous owner), so I > am basically stupid about the thing. Maybe someone can help. > > 2100A Computer #1304A02190 "Option 008" How to read HP serial numbers, in case you are interested: 1304A02190 13 == year, since 1960 (in this case 1973) 04 == week within year A == country of manufacture (A = USA) 02190 == serial number The year/week are supposed to be date of manufacture, but I think I have seen it used to mean date of last revision. Either that or HP managed to turn out a lot of some things in a week. It's also not clear whether a change in year/week resets the "counter" portion of the serial number. I'm not sure what option 008 is on a 2100A. > 7900A Disk Drive #1527A04334 > 2895B Tape Punch #1632A03303 FACIT model 4070 Yep, this is a badge-engineered Facit paper-tape punch. > 2748A Tape Reader #1133A01747 "System Serial 0815F" > 13215A Disk Drive Power Supply #1435A04338 "Option STD" > ????? Line Printer #? (Way too buried to investigate) Hmm, 2613A, 2617A maybe? > Inside the 2100A are cards: [elided] In row 1, A1 through A9 are the CPU. I am thinking that A9 and maybe A8 are options (DMA?), but will need to pull manuals to look. Likewise I will need to pull manuals to tell you more than obvious bits (e.g. DISC INT'F 1 and ...2 are how it talks to the 7900A) about the other things in row 1. Row 2 is where the memory lives. I am thinking that you have 32KW in that system; the XYDs should be the X-Y drivers, the SSAs should be core stacks, and I can't remember exactly what the ID (16K), IDL, or DC cards do. I do recall that there is also another flavor of the ID (16K) card for smaller memory configurations. There should be five-digit product IDs on each of those cards, most likely of the form 12ddda, where the "d"s are digits and the "a" is an alpha character. Those would help me when I have the manuals handy. Might even help me figure out which ones to pull. > The processor boards date to 1972, yet others date to the early 1980s. > Apparently this thing was upgraded (or repaired) several times during its > life doing secret things. > > OK, what do I have? Any input would be helpful. Well, you have more than I do in the way of hardware. My 2100A was part of a Fourier analysis system, and so I have some cards that do some sort of fast crunching on some sort of input signal, but all of the other I/O and memory was removed. So otherwise I just have the CPU cards. But I have manuals. Bug me, I'll pull 'em out and look through them and try to find out more for you. w/r/t the rack -- as near as I can tell HP used the same style of 19" rack for lots of stuff, from various 2100-based systems (including HP 1000s) to the early HP 3000s. I see them from time to time but they usually have been gutted already and are just empty racks. -Frank McConnell

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On the hunt at Goodwill . . . .

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Yeah Im the "computer guy" at the salvation army store I frequent. I think i've yet to pay full price for anything yet. I like to "haggle" ---------- > From: Scott Ware <s-ware(a)nwu.edu> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: RE: On the hunt at Goodwill . . . . > Date: Tuesday, September 23, 1997 12:10 PM > > On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, James Willing wrote: > > > Now on the other hand, the Salvation Army store could not sell gear to Bill > > Gates based on the way they price stuff. An Apple IIgs for $495?!? Really > > now... > > Here (in Chicago), the Salvation Army store that carries computer > equipment tends to price everything computer-related at $45, regardless of > what it is. There was (until it recently closed) a Salvation Army "as-is" > store in the building with one of their warehouses that had some great > deals, primarily on items that they couldn't easily classify. It may be > worth looking for these in other cities, since the one here had items such > as oscilloscopes and Nixie tube DMMs that never made it into the normal > stores. > > Sometimes, thrift store pricing and procedures are hard to understand. I > once saw a thrift store employee deliberately damaging items with a hammer > before marking them down. I guess the theory is that you don't deserve > all of the keys if you're paying $2 for a computer instead of $20. > > Is anyone else here recognized as "the computer guy" at thrift stores? At > one store (admittedly only a block from my apartment, so I visit it > regularly), they save documentation for me and often mark down computer > equipment the day after I've passed it up. Prices have risen slightly > since they've realized that there is demand, but they seem to be stocking > more old computer equipment now, and if something is too expensive, it's > easy to wait a day or two! > > -- > Scott Ware s-ware(a)nwu.edu > > >

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Radio SShack Model 100 on AuctionWeb

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Hello, I'm trying not to buy too much more of this stuff but this guy made me a heck of a deal on a Model 100 along with a video camera I wanted. I put it in the auction. It's really nice and is still in the original box! Radio Shack Model 100 Laptop Computer (photo) Current bid: $42.01 Auction ends on: 09/28/97, 14:36:03 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=511656

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On the hunt at Goodwill . . . .

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Actually, I've had great success at goodwill here on the east coast. i picked up a complete platinum //e machine, a colour composite monitor with two undisk 5.25 drives, a trs80 model 3, an IBM PC RT, and the rare <?> printer attachment for my pc convertible and my uVAX II ! the pickings have been slow lately, but its always a luck of the draw kind of thing. i usually hit the stores about once a week and hope for the best. I regret not getting a plus/4 i saw in the original box last month. david In a message dated 97-09-22 23:33:48 EDT, Sam Ismail put forth: << Here's a hint for everyone...don't waste your time at Goodwill (well, usually). All the good stuff is at those for profit or non-chain thrift stores. Look for places like Thrift Town, Thrift Center, Thrift This, Thrift That, etc. I've heard that Goodwills take all the computer junk and auction it off. I never, ever find any computer stuff at Goodwills or Salvation Army's. I used to find stuff at the Salvation Army, and occasionally find some software (found an MSX cassette of all things at one recently) but never any hardware. >>

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IBM System/38 Free to Good Home

by manney＠nwohio.com

> >What happens when you boot up CP/M on the PC? It sounds rather >interesting. > You get an A: (or C:) prompt. <g>

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Help out Goodwill

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

This sounds like the Houston GW ?? I lived there a few years back and was a great place to find items. I like your help idea may try it here. At 09:41 PM 9/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >Sam Ismail wrote: > >> I've heard that Goodwills take all the computer junk and auction it off. >> I never, ever find any computer stuff at Goodwills or Salvation Army's. >> I used to find stuff at the Salvation Army, and occasionally find some >> software (found an MSX cassette of all things at one recently) but never >> any hardware. > >A friend of mine gave me a really good idea. In our area Goodwill does >auction off a bunch of stuff every Tuesday and Thursday mornings at 8:30AM. >The idea is to go in and help them to work on the computers. This >accomplishes a number of things. 1) It can help train some of the people >they are trying to help. 2) Fixed machines are worth more money hence a >larger income for Goodwill. 3) If we are helping, we will most likely have >the opportunity to see what is coming in and thus might be able to salvage >some classic machines! > > > >

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On the hunt at Goodwill . . . .

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Sorry you feel that way as I find a ton of items at the GW, such hardware, manuals, parts (new and used), and software (new and used). The prices range >from .25 to 35.00. At 08:23 PM 9/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >> I guess I'm in the wrong part of the West Coast! In the Portland area I've >> only gotten lucky enough to find stuff that cheep once or twice. Plus it >> seems like most stuff is either a C64, a 1541 drive, or a TI-99/4a, and >> they are always bare. You can't find stuff like power supplies, cables, or >> whatever else it takes to make them function without a LOT of looking. The >> average price at GW in this area for any item of this class is about $10! >> I think my best find ever around here was a TI-99/4a with PS, modulator, >> cassette cable, and 3 carts (which included extended BASIC) for $4. >> Needless to say this wasn't at GW it was another local Thrift Store which >> happens to be litterly next door to GW. > >Here's a hint for everyone...don't waste your time at Goodwill (well, >usually). All the good stuff is at those for profit or non-chain thrift >stores. Look for places like Thrift Town, Thrift Center, Thrift This, >Thrift That, etc. > >I've heard that Goodwills take all the computer junk and auction it off. >I never, ever find any computer stuff at Goodwills or Salvation Army's. >I used to find stuff at the Salvation Army, and occasionally find some >software (found an MSX cassette of all things at one recently) but never >any hardware. > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > > >

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Small finds to start

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well this week is not starting off as well as last week: items that were free: commodore 1541-II disk drive, flat C64 computer with a Epyz Fast Load cartridge still in it, Power supply for 1541-11,1571-II, or 1581; old metal transfer box for the apple from inmac it's blue/black metal; various appletalk cables; Hayes 1200 baud ext modem with power supply. Purchased the following items: HP utility disk for print srceen on the IBM PC/XT boxes for LaserJet and ThinkJet units; C16 ower's manual; apple mac book by Cary Lu; and last a copy of PC DISK Magazine with the manual 5 1/4 disk other items that were mailed with it, it si Vol 1 No 4 sold for $29.95 cost me $3.50. Well that's it for today hope to hit 3 more shoes tomorrow. Keep computing !!

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Original ][ this is 1978 ish starting point (possibly earlier) <"Expanded" //e (1987, the one with 64Kx4 RAM) If anything the //e was likely 1983 or so. You could still buy these in late '85 along with IIc. 1987? the two series was almost dead by then with the IIgs (maybe //c). This was mid 80s <IIGS ROM 00, 01, 03, and the prototype-only 04 <IIGS Upgrade Kit for //e, especially what it cost <If there=92s a model I=92m missing, and I don=92t think there is, please= what's with the (=92)? Allison

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Are these really worth keeping?

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

At 08:54 PM 22/09/97 -0300, you wrote: >I could use some advice here... > >I'm starting to sort through the misc. parts and accessories that I've >collected over the years and am wondering if certain things are really >worth keeping, such as: > > 1200 baud modems (Hayes external, Racal Vadic VA212LC) > CGA cards > Hercules and MDA mono cards > Generic XT floppy controllers > 1200 baud external modems? Hell yes keep them! You never know when they will come handy, i wish i had a few lying around now. Great for Minix boxes to check your mail... As for the assorted cards, well i am going to use the mass of cards i have here to bolt into my stell shelf units as book ends (i am going for the "inside the mainframe" look in my apartment :) "Linux users are people who would convince you that 10 steps are better than one" ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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[Fwd: Free Computer Books & Stuff!]

by MicroAge97＠aol.com

hello, i have seval apple lisa's(lisa 2's). there was a model that wouldn't keep time if they were unpluged. that's when they came up with the battery idea.... dave

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On the hunt at Goodwill . . . .

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>>But as far as that sort of stuff goes, I'm with Kai. Of course, I'm on >>the west coast as well. I can find stuff like C64, Atari 800, TI-99/4a, >>etc. in thrift shops for anywhere from $.99 to $2.98. Not bad. :) I've had a good run at thrift stores myself. Other than A Commodore 64-SX for $20, I picked up a Tandy TRS-80 Model 4P for $5, a VIC-20 (with 11 carts) for $5, and my Honeywell Microsystem 6 for $20. Whoever invented thrift stores was a very clever person. Adam.

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Another Lisa 2/5 question

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Hi all, Well this weekend I got the boards out and removed the battery pack. I ended up using White Vinegar to clean up the mess the batteries had made. Seems to have worked OK. Now I've got a problem. How do I go about replacing the four batteries in the pack? I've no idea what they were rated at. Do I need replace them? I noticed an On/Off switch next to them, any ideas what it's for? Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Mac Programmer | +----------------------------------+---------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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On the hunt at Goodwill . . . .

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I can get cables, power supplies , and other items for all the units talk about send me a e-mail at jrkeys(a)concentric.net with your list of needs. We can trade if you extra items to trade with. At 06:20 PM 9/22/97 -0800, you wrote: >>But as far as that sort of stuff goes, I'm with Kai. Of course, I'm on >>the west coast as well. I can find stuff like C64, Atari 800, TI-99/4a, >>etc. in thrift shops for anywhere from $.99 to $2.98. > >I guess I'm in the wrong part of the West Coast! In the Portland area I've >only gotten lucky enough to find stuff that cheep once or twice. Plus it >seems like most stuff is either a C64, a 1541 drive, or a TI-99/4a, and >they are always bare. You can't find stuff like power supplies, cables, or >whatever else it takes to make them function without a LOT of looking. The >average price at GW in this area for any item of this class is about $10! >I think my best find ever around here was a TI-99/4a with PS, modulator, >cassette cable, and 3 carts (which included extended BASIC) for $4. >Needless to say this wasn't at GW it was another local Thrift Store which >happens to be litterly next door to GW. > > Zane > > >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | >| healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | >| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Mac Programmer | >+----------------------------------+---------------------------+ >| For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| and the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | >| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | > > > >

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[Fwd: Free Computer Books & Stuff!]

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

I sent this message out a while ago but the person responding never came through with the postage. Free to the first response. One requirement though: I must receive the postage within one week or I'll post it again or drop them off at the Goodwill. This is the second time this happened. I have the hardest time giving stuff away!

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Back again kinda

by bcw＠u.washington.edu

Hi all. I've been away vacationing and intended to read the list but my laptop bit the dust 2 days into the trip (damn PC crap ;). At any rate, I'll be reading and catching up again but if there is anything pressing, please get in touch. I'll also be getting back to work on the web site stuff and the FAQs over the next couple weeks as I've been slacking lately. To those I was going to meet up with on the trip - sorry I lost all phone numbers/directions/etc with my hard drive. If anyone knows where to get a cheap hard drive for a Compaq Contura 430 please let me know ;). ------------------------------------------- Bill Whitson bcw(a)u.washington.edu (mail may come from alternate addresses) Classic Computers List Operator/Owner http://haliotis.u.washington.edu/classiccmp

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On the hunt at Goodwill . . . .

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Well if you see a working 128D or anymore 1702 monitors grab one! ---------- > From: Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: RE: On the hunt at Goodwill . . . . > Date: Monday, September 22, 1997 3:44 PM > > Geez, you must not be on the west coast. Around here, VIC-20/C64/C128 > hardware is like weeds. There isn't a thrift store in the entire > Seattle area without a Commodore piece for <=$5. Can't give 'em away -- > literally. > > Kai > > > ---------- > > From: Jeff Kaneko[SMTP:Jeff.Kaneko@ifrsys.com] > > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > > Sent: Monday, September 22, 1997 12:30 PM > > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > > Subject: On the hunt at Goodwill . . . . > > > > Guys: > > > > I dredged this up from comp.sys.cbm. Alot of you guys out there have > > been talking about hunting down 'Heavy Iron'. Here's one who's struck > > the Mother Lode of 'Lite Plastic'. I sure wish I knew where this > > place was . . . . > > > > > > Jeff > > > > ------------>>>> Forewarded Message Follows<<<<--------------- > >

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Shipping & IBM Parts

by jrbrady＠delphi.com

> On Sept 29, starling(a)umr.edu wrote: > are? I've got a friend offering me an IBM 3278, and I can't remember > if that's a dumb terminal or if it's something more exciting. The 3278 is a dumb terminal used for information display on IBM mainframes. It requires a 3270-type controller unit attached to an I/O channel in order to function, along with the requisite software on the host processor. These are not ASCII devices. Regards, Jason Brady jrbrady(a)delphi.com Seattle, WA

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IBM System/38 Available for Free, Is It Worth It?

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

At 22.57 21/09/97 -0400, William wrote: >People are abandoning System/36 boxes like crazy these days. If you >search, you should be able to find a deskside system for free in little >time. > >> 2) But the main thing that keeps me away from IBM machines (and towards >> DEC/Philips/etc) is that IBM machines are often almost impossible to hack >> and repair. The chips are those strange IBM square metal cans with >> unlisted numbers. Schematics and spares are impossible to obtain. A >> binary listing of the instruction set is sometimes a pain to find. >You do have a valid point, IBM does things weird. The chips are far from >off-the-shelf. The solution is to build up spares from donor machines. For >my RS/6000s, I saved some extra motherboards (planars, as they call them). >For System/3x stuff, there seem to plenty of machines in the scrapyards >that can be picked apart. IBM tended to cram lots of stuff in a small CPU >box, situated inside the normally spacious cabinet. Pulling an entire CPU >should pose no problems. > The best thing for repair is to get donor boards. I fully agree with William's opinion. Unfortunately here in Italy IBM had a great fame, comparing to others (Digital,Honeywell, etc.) I can say that talking with many general manager about the first installation of a computer system in the company where they were working during early 70'S, everyone confirmed that was IBM the first approach. This, together with the incompatibility of the hardware of other producers, leads many company here (once sticked in the net of the IBM-spider) to have no way out rather than the same "system". So, in few years, during '70 years, too many IBM S/3X were installed in many companyes and today IBM is still present there. This big park of machines needed to have many company to be involved for programs and maintenance. I can say that those machines reached a level of diffusion here nearly to be compared to the success of the VHS system as a consumer video system. If all above said seems to help a collector to find plenty of those system, this is not true. In fact there is a market of used hardware for those units that are still requested. Why? 1)The "family" is so well known by programmers 2)There are many IBM and specially ex-IBM programmers available for those systems (=low price know-how) 3)Park of twinax peripherals already installed (=why change all?) 4)Strengthness of IBM Hardware (=if it last is very good) 5)Low price of faster used CPU (=easy upgrading/maintenance) 5)Customerized application running ONLY on them. All this keep high in price and request of used S/3x hardware. I remember one of those specialized company based in Milan to have a "STOCK-EXCHANGE-LIKE" price list of S/3x machines as advertisement in PC-WEEK last year. This sort of "market fever" keeps working IBM system far from scrapyards. CIAO RICCARDO ROMAGNOLI .

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Apple II info for CHAC

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

- Original Apple II: introduced April 1977, code name "Annie", $1300 with 4K - Apple II+: introduced June 1979, $1195 with 16K - Apple III: introduced May 1980 (ships February 1981), code name "Sara", $4340 with 128K - Apple IIe: introduced January 1983, code name "Super II", $1395 with 64K - Apple III+: introduced December 1983, $3000 with 256K - Apple IIc: introduced April 24, 1984, numerous code names, $1300 with 128K - Apple IIe enhanced: introduced March 1985 - Apple IIgs: introduced September, 1986, code name "Phoenix" - Apple IIe platinum: introduced January 1987 - Apple IIc+: introduced September 1988 Kai > ---------- > From: Kip Crosby[SMTP:engine@chac.org] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 1997 10:25 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > > Hi ClassicCmp, > > Issue 4.2 of the CHAC?s journal, the ANALYTICAL ENGINE, will > commemorate > the 20th anniversary of the Apple ][ and its descendants. As it > happens, > I?m in the middle :-) of writing the lead article :-) and I?m > wondering if > you could help me with a few data points. In spite of the laudable > work > done by Liethen, Mates and Weyhrich -- all of which I've gone through > with > some care -- the rest of this stuff is still remarkably hard to find. > > What I?m looking for is: > > · Date, or at least month and year, of introduction, and location if > pertinent > · "Secret" (internal development) name ? I realize there may have been > several > · Price of typical config at introduction > · Total number produced, even if approximate (tough) > · Date, or at least month and year, of discontinuance (sometimes > tough) > > and for these models: > > Original ][ > ][plus > ][ europlus > Original //e > //e Enhanced > "Expanded" //e (1987, the one with 64Kx4 RAM) > //c > //c+ > //e Emulation Card for Mac LC > IIGS ROM 00, 01, 03, and the prototype-only 04 > IIGS Upgrade Kit for //e, especially what it cost > > I'm also in need of everything about the Black Apple II marketed by > Bell & > Howell, including not only the above, but its technical > specifications. > And, if anybody ever actually SAW a IIx and remembers what it looked > like, > please let me know. > > If there?s a model I?m missing, and I don?t think there is, please > clue me; > but I hope that what I?m asking for, and the way I?m asking for it, > will > reassure you that I?ve done some homework already. I have at least > ONE of > these data items for every model listed, except the ][ europlus, but I > don?t have ALL of them for ANY model listed. If I could complete this > table with solid information, IMHO, it would be a significant > contribution > to the literature. > > Thanks in advance for your time and attention, and I hope you can and > will > contribute. You?ll understand that I want the CHAC?s commemoration of > this > quasi-eternal computer to be as good as we can make it. > > cheers, > > __________________________________________ > Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org > http://www.chac.org/index.html > Computer History Association of California > >

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On the hunt at Goodwill . . . .

by Jeff.Kaneko＠ifrsys.com

Guys: I dredged this up from comp.sys.cbm. Alot of you guys out there have been talking about hunting down 'Heavy Iron'. Here's one who's struck the Mother Lode of 'Lite Plastic'. I sure wish I knew where this place was . . . . Jeff ------------>>>> Forewarded Message Follows<<<<--------------- Hey All, For those of you in the U.S. looking for backup systems, extra drives, or just new and different Commodores, I have a small story to share. This weekend I had the privilege (sarcasm) of putting together a low-end IBM-compat system for my dad. After hunting around, I found that Good Will is now selling their computer systems separately at a place called Good Will Computerworks. As I priced the PC items with them, I asked casually if they ever dealt in old Commodore 8-bits. "Well", the Good Will lady said, "we do get them in all the time, but we typically put them in a salvage bin, where they end up as scrap or garbage." At that moment, I felt like one of those animal rights activists watching the Science channel. "If you like, though", she went on, "you can come down and sign our request book." Not an hour later I was at Good Will Computerworks, making a deal on a VGA monitor for $50.00 and asking about signing up to have Commodore hardware set aside. The lady asked what specifically I was after, and I mentioned a few items. She then introduced me to another lady who was in charge of salvage. She, in turn, brought me to the salvage bin. The Good Will junk pile for computers. As I sit here folks, my eyes got as big as saucers when I saw this bin. Commodore 128's, 1571's, 1541's, Vic-20s, bread box C64s, printers, ALL of it-- just lying there like turtles on thier backs. Yesterday, my friends, I drove home with a VGA monitor for $50.00, and another box with a flat Commodore 128, Commodore 1571 DSDD disk drive, assorted software in the box, a Commodore VIC-20, and power supplies and power cables all around for $5.00!!!!!! I spent the rest of the day testing, cleaning, and tinkering. It's all in perfect condition. The VIC-20 was a particularly special find, as I had been looking for one. Today I've been downloading VIC-20 software from ftp.funet.fi and playing some really great little games on it. The charm of this computer can not be understated. If you can get your hands on one, I highly recommend it. The moral of this story? I'm not sure there is one, except that there are Commodore computers all over this country on their way to their deaths at the hands of the "Good" Will folks. Only we can stop them, and as for my part, it's been a pleasure to. - Bo

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AS/400 and S/38

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Kip Crosby <engine(a)chac.org> wrote (after a correspondent I've lost track of): > At 09:58 9/22/97 BST, you wrote: > >The IBM AS/400 is, I am told, based on the S/38. > > I'd be interested in knowing how, and to what extent. When my company was > installing a bunch of Novell LANs in the late eighties, we used to call an > AS/400 "a '386 surrounded by a lot of expensive air," but I suspect that > that was the same kind of disparaging performance benchmark as comparing an > S/38 to an 8088. I also suspect that what's inside an AS/400 box has > changed an _awful lot_ over the years while the badge has provided continuity. Doug Jones wrote a nice little explanation of this in a.f.c in early 1996. It's in dejanews if you want to go looking (long URL follows): http://xp8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?recnum=4528820&server=db96q1&CONTEXT=8749… The summary is that there's a capability-based CISC architecture that derives from the System/38. That is what the compilers compile to. The AS/400 loader takes that code and generates RISC code for the underlying AS/400 CPU. That underlying AS/400 CPU has changed over the life of the product, and they can change it again. Pretty nifty. Apparently the underlying RISC architecture doesn't have much in the way of access protections; all that is implemented in the loader-generated code. It's not clear to me whether this means that linked executables can be moved from one flavor of AS/400 to another, or you have to recompile >from source, and I don't enough about AS/400s to know whether its users really care about stuff like that. -Frank McConnell

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by engine＠chac.org

At 09:58 9/22/97 BST, you wrote: >The IBM AS/400 is, I am told, based on the S/38. I'd be interested in knowing how, and to what extent. When my company was installing a bunch of Novell LANs in the late eighties, we used to call an AS/400 "a '386 surrounded by a lot of expensive air," but I suspect that that was the same kind of disparaging performance benchmark as comparing an S/38 to an 8088. I also suspect that what's inside an AS/400 box has changed an _awful lot_ over the years while the badge has provided continuity. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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Shipping & IBM Parts...

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> 1) Is there a FAQ somewhere that lists all IBM part nubmers and what they > are? I've got a friend offering me an IBM 3278, and I can't remember > if that's a dumb terminal or if it's something more exciting. > > not that i know of, although i think you can call boulder parts for parts > lookup. 800.388.7080 i can look up fru part numbers when i'm at work though. > > 3278 isnt worth much unless you have an ibm mainframe to connect it to. its > just a plain old ugly terminal. i think the 3279 was colour and the 3278 was > monochrome. I do have most of the parts to an ibm xt3270 around here > somewhere... "xt3270"? When I was at IBM, we called it the "3270-PC". Very nice machine, but not as nice as the 3270-PC/G or 3270-PC/GX, the graphics terminal versions. The latter had a graphics coprocessor box almost as large as a PC, and a 19 inch monitor (I think 1280x1024 resolution) 3278 is an extremely dumb terminal. It not only needs a mainframe, but AFAIK it needs a 3274 or 3174 "terminal controller" - a minicomputer dedicated to MUXing terminals to an IBM channel, which also ran most of the local loop on the terminal and sent packets to the mainframe (a sort of PAD, I suppose). I can't remember how much of the "dumb terminal" functionality was in the 3274 but I used to suspect it was quite a lot... 3278 is indeed monchrome, 3279 the colour version. Superseded (mid '80s) by 3178 and 3179, and some cheaper monochrome ones (3196?) To reply to some other comments on the recent IBM thread, Yes, I might take a system/38 if someone offered it to me. I don't have anywhere to put it but I might find room at the back of my garage. I'd prefer a System/34 though - mainly because that's the machine I worked on when I was at IBM. I agree with Tony, though - difficult to maintain with all the custom chips. Allison, I don't think when [previous contributor] described it as a "room-sized 8088" he was talking about the processor involved. The processor is a custom IBM minicomputer on ?several boards, based on the System/32 and System/34 and things. I think he was making a performance comparison, and probably being a bit unfair. The IBM AS/400 is, I am told, based on the S/38. Philip.

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Weekend (tiny) haul

by manney＠nwohio.com

(4) PCjr cartridges -- Lotus 1-2-3 (2 carts) Managing your money BASIC PCjr program disks -- Your PCjr Sampler Exploring the PCjr Snoopy's Reading Machine (Random House) Charlie Brown's ABC's (Random House) Math Rabbit (The Learning Company) Make an offer... ps Also have a bwoken PCjr system available -- probably bad motherboard. manney(a)nwohio.com

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Shipping & IBM Parts...

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-09-21 21:51:33 EDT, c. starling put forth: << Two questions: 1) Is there a FAQ somewhere that lists all IBM part nubmers and what they are? I've got a friend offering me an IBM 3278, and I can't remember if that's a dumb terminal or if it's something more exciting. >> not that i know of, although i think you can call boulder parts for parts lookup. 800.388.7080 i can look up fru part numbers when i'm at work though. 3278 isnt worth much unless you have an ibm mainframe to connect it to. its just a plain old ugly terminal. i think the 3279 was colour and the 3278 was monochrome. I do have most of the parts to an ibm xt3270 around here somewhere... david

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IBM 5120

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>>>My second job as a computer programmer put me in front of an IBM 5120. >>>It was a desktop model which incorporated a B&W monitor, keyboard, and >>>two 8" floppy drives in the main cabinet. > > Sounds like an early Datamaster to me. I have a Datamaster (5123), but it has > a green-screen, not a B&W one. Otherwise the description matches. Interesting. My datamaster is a 5322, and calls itself System/23. It doesn't match the 5120 description except in the eight-inch drives. In particular it does not blank the screen (that I recall) during I/O. The screen is green; the keyboard is built into the system unit but looks very like an early PC keyboard. A brief speculation on IBM numbering. 5123 is probably a derivative of 5120 in some sense. 5322, on the other hand, looks like a variety of System/32 (the 5320). System/32 begat System/34 (5340) begat System/36 (5360 = large, 5362 = desk side, 5364 = dekstop) begat AS/400 (I think). System/38 also fits in there somewhere (5380) so you would expect a System/23 to be called 5230. > As I understand the Datamaster, it really was the predecessor to the PC. It > was desktop based, although you needed a large desk <g>. It had an ISA-like Nonsense! I've got mine on a very small desk! However, system unit and printer between them take up the whole desk. > bus into which you could plug-in cards. My guess, from talking to someone who > worked on the project, that it was a business machine (A/P, billing, word > processing, etc.) that fell out of favor when IBM introduced the PC in 1981. It was indeed. There were two video options, Data Processing and Word Processing. The DP video card had one byte per screen character, the WP card having two. The difference to the user was that on the WP you could set the attributes (blink, underline, intensify, inverse video) for each character individually; on the DP model you used up a character space to make the change, which then took effect until another attribute code appeared further down the screen. Mine, being a DP model, came with some sort of accounting application that I've never used. CPU was an 8085, using bank switching to access 128k each of RAM and ROM. Very slow. The large ROM, though, had almost a complete mainframe basic with matrix operations and all sorts. Character code was EBCDIC, unlike the PC. What did 5100 use? > The PC was 1/3 the size, probably 1/4 the weight, much faster, and used 5-1/4" > diskettes. And less than 1/4 the price. The previous owner of my datamaster paid L11000 for it in 1980. The PC when it came out in the UK (1983?) was L2399 I think. > There are several Datamaster owners here who can fill in more about the > actual specs. I don't use mine much because I have a blown ROM chip that > prevents me from booting... I was hoping that one of those hand-held machine EPROMS advertised here a few weeks ago might act as a replacement. (No, I haven't forgotten!) Philip.

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Shipping & IBM Parts...

by starling＠umr.edu

Recently signed back on the list after being absent for a few weeks... hope I haven't missed anything! :) Two questions: 1) Is there a FAQ somewhere that lists all IBM part nubmers and what they are? I've got a friend offering me an IBM 3278, and I can't remember if that's a dumb terminal or if it's something more exciting. 2) Anyone have any suggestions for a **MASS** shipment of computer stuff? I'm mainly concerned with keeping the cost down. I'm working on a deal right now that might involve as many as five desktop-type machines with monitors, lots of repair parts in original boxes and a "shelf of software". I'm the one getting the goods, so shipping cost is my problem. Are there any companies other than UPS I should look at? Should I try to minimize the number of boxes, even if it means bigger and heavier boxes? Is it completely insane to try to get this much stuff shipped? Perhaps I should just drive down to Florida and pick the stuff up... thanks... chris starling

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IBM System/38 Free to Good Home

by engine＠chac.org

>> At 02:25 9/21/97 +0100, ARD wrote: >Hmmm... Well, us HP71 owners have the problem that the IDS.... >cost about \pounds 1000 >when it came out in the UK. That makes it _very_ difficult to find >second-hand, since so few were ever sold. >>choke<< talk about an HP collectible.... >> Which [the PC CP/M-86 binder] is sort of pink, for those who are hunting. > >Is it? I've seen a grey Digital Research binder for CP/M86 >for the PC. The IBM PC -- not DRI -- binder for CP/M-86 a la Principles of Ops is covered in calamine-pink vinyl. I've got one, seen another. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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IBM System/38 Free to Good Home

by engine＠chac.org

At 02:25 9/21/97 +0100, ARD wrote: >The >releasing of the full TechRef for the first PC was something of a suprise >to hackers used to IBM's behaviour in the past. It is worth remembering, though, that the above-captioned item was a $125 extra-cost option, which did tend to (as someone once said about something roughly similar) chase away the squirrels. What's fun is to find one of those now, in its oh-so-refined lavender binder. The only strictly comparable prize is an IBM PC CP/M-86 manual. Which is sort of pink, for those who are hunting. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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IMS Computer

by engine＠chac.org

At 15:04 9/21/97 -0700, Don Maslin wrote: >No I don't [know who wants the IMS,] Pete, but I am forwarding this to classic computers list >where it will get much wider distribution. > - don I just told McCracken that we did. The first computer I ever owned was one of the IMS all-in-one-piece single-user desktops, which is now in our collection (still running, video weak,) and it would be excellent to have one of the multi-terminal minis to go with it. Thank you Don. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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IMS Computer, TurboDos w/dBase 3.0, CYMA, & Wordstar

by donm＠cts.com

On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Pete V. McCracken wrote: > Have access to an IMS (Z-80 based???) multi-user, TurboDos computer > system with dBase 2.0, CYMA Accounting System, Wordstar 3.0, three > terminals and keyboards. > > Do you know of anyone who might be interested? It is planned for the > scrapheap in the very near future. No I don't, Pete, but I am forwarding this to classic computers list where it will get much wider distribution. - don > -- > Pete V. McCracken > Country Western Style Dance Center > 341 E. Olive Ave., Porterville, CA 93257-4890 > CWSDanceCenter(a)ocsnet.net 209 784-2341 FAX 209-784-6192 > donm(a)cts.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology. Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) - 619-454-8412 *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj

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[Fwd: Free Computer Books & Stuff!]

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Thanks to all those that responded but the books are all spoken for. Greg

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IBM System/38 Available for Free, Is It Worth It?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

As non-ibm-er I'd find the sys-38 interesting as an example of a non PC implementation of the 8088 and likely a fast machine for it's time. Allison

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IBM System/36

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Remeber that S/36 I was gonna get for $200? I just got it for free. I'm told it runs RPG. The key for it was lost, so I can't boot the machine 'till I short the appropriate pins to Service position. All the docs and disks are gone too. Any idea what to do with it? I'm trying to find a twinax terminal for it now.

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INfo on Apple Techstep

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Picked up a Apple Techstep testing unit with case and all manuals, sofware, and cables. Unit has modules for MAC Classic,SE,SE/30, II, IIx, IIcx and SCSI HD's. I would like to find the test modules that work on the machines made after the IIcx, if Apple made any. I went to their web site and found nothing about these units. The one I have is from 1992. Also this wek picked up the following items; Apple graphics tablet interface card with pen (free), ThunderScan unit for MAC (free), Franklin PC8000 (.80), New unopen box joysticks for Color computer, and about 6 different manuals from early micro's to IBM maintenance analysis procedures for the 6360 diskette unit 6580 display station. All told it was a very good week. Keep computing !!

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Sol Computer (Auctionweb Grumblings)

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Sam Ismail wrote: > AuctionWeb is ridiculous. While there are some great finds there, I've > realized that whatever I bid on I will end up finding a week or two later > locally for a tenth or less of what I bid. The prices for stuff on there > are horribly inflated. That's jus like all auctions. People get caught up in the bidding and forget what things are really worth. I see prices both ways. I've sold things there for way less than their value also. They always sell for less than the average asking price on usenet. Recently, bidding is way down. Either due to the good weather or the influx of other on-line auction companies. Apple IIc-$15, Mac 512 complete-$24. > Don't bid on the item. That is, not until the last 5-10 minutes of the > auction. This serves two purposes that ultimately benefit you. 1) If you > bid early, it gives someone a chance to come in and outbid you early, then > you will counter-bid, then he will, then you will, etc. You get into a > bidding war. 2) If you bid just before the auction is over, you avoid 1). > You'll get in with a low-ball bid and hopefully nobody else will get a > chance to outbid you in the last remaining minutes, although I've had some > close calls. I once bid on an item (forgot what) at the last minute and > some character tried to do the same but his bid was late. In the same > token, I've had that happen to me where I was just too late. The problem > is, if you try to bid just before the auction ends (like within 1-2 > minutes of closing) there are about 14 other dweebs like you trying to put > in last minute bids. The record in the database for that item becomes so > locked up that nobody can make a bid, and your effort is futile. That's how the experts do it. I've seen auctions where after the ending time of the auction, the bidding can continue for 5 minutes (Onsale?). This means whenever a bid is entered, there's 5 minutes added to the clock. That would eliminate that scenario. I've had lots of people email me with higher offers because they didn't get in quick enough. I've missed items because my connection is slow. > The seller usually comes out on the short end of the stick. > Bidders wait until the last possible second and put in a bid that's not > necessarily fair market value. You can always put in a reserve price. You are also allowed to bid on your own item once during the auction. This rule is a little strange but I assume they allow it because bidding might be way below what they want to sell the item for. Doesn't make buyers happy though. I've only used it a couple times when someone locally made a legitimate offer for an item, never to boost the bid. > In real life, the bidding keeps going until one person concedes or passes > out. These onlines auctions need to instate some similar format. The system used by Onsale (I think) eliminates this. > I just realized this message is horribly off-topic but I just had to > complain about something today. My reply is off-topic too, oh well. Since many people here use AuctionWeb it's not that far off. I like using it because I usually don't have a clue what this stuff is worth. It's worth what people will pay.

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by engine＠chac.org

Hi ClassicCmp, Issue 4.2 of the CHAC?s journal, the ANALYTICAL ENGINE, will commemorate the 20th anniversary of the Apple ][ and its descendants. As it happens, I?m in the middle :-) of writing the lead article :-) and I?m wondering if you could help me with a few data points. In spite of the laudable work done by Liethen, Mates and Weyhrich -- all of which I've gone through with some care -- the rest of this stuff is still remarkably hard to find. What I?m looking for is: ? Date, or at least month and year, of introduction, and location if pertinent ? "Secret" (internal development) name ? I realize there may have been several ? Price of typical config at introduction ? Total number produced, even if approximate (tough) ? Date, or at least month and year, of discontinuance (sometimes tough) and for these models: Original ][ ][plus ][ europlus Original //e //e Enhanced "Expanded" //e (1987, the one with 64Kx4 RAM) //c //c+ //e Emulation Card for Mac LC IIGS ROM 00, 01, 03, and the prototype-only 04 IIGS Upgrade Kit for //e, especially what it cost I'm also in need of everything about the Black Apple II marketed by Bell & Howell, including not only the above, but its technical specifications. And, if anybody ever actually SAW a IIx and remembers what it looked like, please let me know. If there?s a model I?m missing, and I don?t think there is, please clue me; but I hope that what I?m asking for, and the way I?m asking for it, will reassure you that I?ve done some homework already. I have at least ONE of these data items for every model listed, except the ][ europlus, but I don?t have ALL of them for ANY model listed. If I could complete this table with solid information, IMHO, it would be a significant contribution to the literature. Thanks in advance for your time and attention, and I hope you can and will contribute. You?ll understand that I want the CHAC?s commemoration of this quasi-eternal computer to be as good as we can make it. cheers, __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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HP-16 emulator

by manney＠nwohio.com

Just ran across a Windows emulator for the HP-16 calculator (if you want an RPN calc instead of AOS, this is neat Besides, it does hex, binary and octal calculations.) It's freeware. http://www.teleport.com/~dgh/hpsim.htm#wrpn This is part of the HP calculator museum, which has all kinds of keen stuff, including shots of old slide rules. It's at http://www.teleport.com/~dgh/hpmuseum.html

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C64 Software

by manney＠nwohio.com

Just picked up a used (very used) Print Shop for C64. Anyone want? manney(a)nwohio.com

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