8 May
2002
8 May
'02
7:35 p.m.
My 2? worth:
There is often too much off-topic discussion here for me to trawl through. If
someone wants a forum to discuss politics or whatever there are many options
that do not involve this mailing list. May I suggest:
Usenet newsgroups (a HUGE number concerned with politics)
Yahoo! groups or equivalent elsewhere
Any number of newspapers and TV network web sites
Setting up a separate mailing list (majordomo, or whatever)
Politics is endlessly fascinating, frustrating, and fractious, but not here
*please*! Let's all be happy nerds together.
And on that note... I've got a couple of Xerox 1108 (DandeTiger) machines of
which I am very fond and for which I would like to find more maintenance
information. Anyone got a set of blueprints about their person?
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8 May
8 May
8:25 p.m.
on 5/8/02 11:35 PM, Bob Bramwell at bob(a)copenhagen.cuug.ab.ca wrote:
There is often too much off-topic discussion here for
me to trawl through. If
someone wants a forum to discuss politics or whatever there are many options
that do not involve this mailing list.
I vowed not to get involved in this, but since everyone and their brother
has:
I think most people wouldn't mind all of the off-topic posts if they could
look at a message, and tell from the subject line if it has anything to do
with classic computing (the subject of this list, in case anyone has
forgotten). The time consuming part is going through the messages, trying to
pick out relevent information like picking gum out of your hair. So why
doesn't everybody who is going to post an off-topic message simply prefix
the subject with OT, the way they're supposed to in the first place. It's so
simple for the person posting the message, and would address most people's
complaints about off-topic posts. People could even set their mail client to
automatically delete messages that include "OT" in the subject line.
Just an idea.
--
Owen Robertson
9 May
9 May
4:43 a.m.
New subject: LIST ADMIN WARNING Re: Too much off topic
The only way to totally solve the off-topic posts and flaming is to moderate
the list.
The idea of moderating the list was overwhelmingly rejected by listmembers
during the last big discussion about this. I took that to mean that people
preferred to police themselves (and eachother). However, if the current
trend of off-topicness continues, I WILL put the list into moderated mode.
The large number of people who expect posts to the list to show up in a
timely fashion will just have to blame themselves or their peers for not
acting like adults. Some people complain that it takes 20 minutes or so
before a post goes to the rest of the list. Well, if it's in moderated mode,
I will check and approve posts probably two or three times a day - so you
can kiss the 20 minute timeframe goodbye if it comes to that. Even if I set
up several additional people to approve posts, you can be sure the lag will
on average be significantly greater than it is currently.
Stop the off-topic discussions, and stop them *NOW*. This includes
discussion of modern operating systems, politics, personal flames, blatent
OS advocacy, etc. If you feel the need to put [OT] in the subject, think
real hard before posting. Your post may be the one that throws the list into
moderated mode.
*** Please do NOT reply to this message on the list. *** This is not a
request for comments or discussion; it's not up for debate - it's just how
it is. Gee, can you tell I'VE HAD IT?
Regards,
Jay West
10:05 a.m.
New subject: LIST ADMIN WARNING Re: Too much off topic
Jay West wrote:
The only way to totally solve the off-topic posts and
flaming is to moderate
the list.
The idea of moderating the list was overwhelmingly rejected by listmembers
during the last big discussion about this. I took that to mean that people
preferred to police themselves (and eachother). However, if the current
trend of off-topicness continues, I WILL put the list into moderated mode.
The large number of people who expect posts to the list to show up in a
timely fashion will just have to blame themselves or their peers for not
acting like adults. Some people complain that it takes 20 minutes or so
before a post goes to the rest of the list. Well, if it's in moderated mode,
I will check and approve posts probably two or three times a day - so you
can kiss the 20 minute timeframe goodbye if it comes to that. Even if I set
up several additional people to approve posts, you can be sure the lag will
on average be significantly greater than it is currently.
Stop the off-topic discussions, and stop them *NOW*. This includes
discussion of modern operating systems, politics, personal flames, blatent
OS advocacy, etc. If you feel the need to put [OT] in the subject, think
real hard before posting. Your post may be the one that throws the list into
moderated mode.
*** Please do NOT reply to this message on the list. *** This is not a
request for comments or discussion; it's not up for debate - it's just how
it is. Gee, can you tell I'VE HAD IT?
Regards,
Jay West
Jesus, Jay, if that's the bottom line, just go ahead and do it, because
otherwise people are just going to keep pushing or reacting until you
do. Just human nature. At least as demonstrated here. We will all deal
with it in our various ways. I suggest if you do this to gate it to a
moderated newsgroup. You may need the traffic. Hopefully not.
You may find it easier though, just to let what is, be, as it has been,
and just not worry about it. It's entirely possible things would tone
down rapidly if you do that. People who don't like it will go do
something else. You've mentioned to me privately that others might be
interested in running a list themselves. Let them go do that instead of
making you jump through hoops.
If, of course, you do it because *you* think it's best, that's another
matter. You're in the best position to know. You have my support
whatever you do. Nevetheless, I won't be threatened into policing my
speech for anybody. Not even for good reasons. No offense.
Thanks and keep up the good work,
jbdigriz
10:47 a.m.
New subject: LIST ADMIN WARNING Re: Too much off topic
James B. DiGriz wrote:
If, of course, you do it because *you* think it's best, that's another
matter. You're in the best position to know. You have my support
whatever you do. Nevetheless, I won't be threatened into policing my
speech for anybody. Not even for good reasons. No offense.
Not by anything except the dictates of my own judgement that is.
I guess what I saying overall, Jay, is that I'm calling you on this one.
jbdigriz
10:57 a.m.
New subject: LIST ADMIN WARNING Re: Too much off topic
Jesus, Jay, if that's the bottom line, just go
ahead and do it, because
otherwise people are just going to keep pushing or reacting until you
do. Just human nature.
If you're saying that if your own (and others) lack of self control
causes Jay to stop the list, and that you don't care if he does,
then I'm definitely not with you.
I won't be threatened into policing my speech for
anybody.
If you want any friends here, then change your tune.
John A.
12:13 p.m.
New subject: LIST ADMIN WARNING Re: Too much off topic
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Allain
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 2:58 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: LIST ADMIN WARNING Re: Too much off topic
I won't be threatened into policing my speech for
anybody.
If you want any friends here, then change your tune.
John A.
But then think of others that have gone flame-happy at times here (no I'm
not pointing you out directly Sellam) and things cooled off and went back to
normal. Things will subside and quiet down soon enough, I don't think Jay
needs to do much more than make his point and let peoople know to knock off
and get back on topic.
4:57 a.m.
New subject: Xerox 1108
On Wed, 8 May 2002, Bob Bramwell wrote:
And on that note... I've got a couple of Xerox
1108 (DandeTiger)
machines of which I am very fond and for which I would like to find more
maintenance information. Anyone got a set of blueprints about their
person?
Ooh, very nice. I have one, but in a dilapidated state. I only have
minimal documentation for the 8010, and none for the 1108.
Try contacting the folks over at DigiBarn. Bruce Damer, the proprietor,
used to work on 8010s and they have a working one. He might be able to
help you.
http://www.digibarn.com
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11 May
11 May
5:41 a.m.
New subject: Xerox 1108
On Thu, 9 May 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Wed, 8 May 2002, Bob Bramwell wrote:
AFAIK The 1108 is identical to the 8010 just like the 1186 is identical to the
6085. Only difference is installled software.
8010,6085s came with Viewpoint, 1108,1186s came with Interlisp
If you run Viewpoint on a DandeLion, the FP LEDS will read '8010' if you run
Interlisp, the LEDS will read '1108'
1108s and 8010s are DandeLions (1109 is Dandetiger same as 1108 but with (AMD
9511?) FP hardware)
And on that note... I've got a couple of
Xerox 1108 (DandeTiger)
machines of which I am very fond and for which I would like to find more
maintenance information. Anyone got a set of blueprints about their
person?
Ooh, very nice. I have one, but in a dilapidated state. I only have
minimal documentation for the 8010, and none for the 1108.
Try contacting the folks over at DigiBarn. Bruce Damer, the proprietor,
used to work on 8010s and they have a working one. He might be able to
help you.
http://www.digibarn.com
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