Thanks. I meant that the comment about 45.5 was in jest but I actually have a plan to use a baudot to ascii converter box I have (also converts 60mA current loop to RS232) to allow me to connect my M28 TTYs to my PDP-8 and IMSAI. I think it will be much cooler than a 33 ASR. Of course the tape stuff won't be very useful :). Eugene W2HX -----Original Message----- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tony Duell Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 2:57 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react! On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 7:50 PM, W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com> wrote: Why should I laugh? They look beautiful. Incidentally, in those pictures of my PDP8/e that I posted the link to last week you can see a the corners of a couple of teleprinters in one of them. Both are Creeds. One is a Creed 7E (Goverend motor, I think currently set to 50 baud, but I could tweak the screw), the other a Creed 444 (with 75 baud gears, one day I must learn how to cut skew helical gears and make the 50 baud gearing for it). Both are, of course 5-level ITA2 machines -tony

I! WANT! A! CREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Completely missing on my side. And.. I always mix up numbers. I have (several of each) Lorenz lo15 (model 15), Siemens t100, Siemens t68d, Lorenz lo133, model 33, and model 35 (the greatest teleprinter in history). I could swap something for a nice creed machine. On 14.02.2017 20:57, Tony Duell wrote: -- Dipl.-Inf. (FH) Philipp Hachtmann Buchdruck, Bleisatz, Spezialit?ten Alemannstr. 21, D-30165 Hannover Tel. 0511/3522222, Mobil 0171/2632239 Fax. 0511/3500439 philipp at hachtmann.com www.tiegeldruck.de facebook.com/buchdruck UStdID DE 202668329

I know. Here everything is full with Siemens and Lorenz. Je aussi voudrais avoir une machine de Sagem...! That's the main problem :-( But teletypes are easier to find here than in US :-P :-P :-P

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Philipp Hachtmann <hachti at hachti.de> wrote: Over here, the only Teletypes we generally see are Model 33s. Even the Model 35 is very uncommon, and 5 bit stuff almost unheard-of. OK, we do see BRPE punches from time to time. There was a UK company, Data Dynamics, who used the Teletype Model 33 mechanics and put it in their own case with their own electronics. I think they re-cased the BRPE too, in a very odd case (light bulbs under the chad box, it looks very pretty). 5 bit stuff is generally Creed here. Teleprinters, paper tape readers, etc. And a few real oddities. Like a keyboard tape punch (no electronic communications, it just punches 5-level tape from the keyboard) made by a company called Booth-Willmott who I have never heard of in any other connection, Never seen a Siemens, Lorenz or Sagem machine. -tony

I think at one time radio amateurs (at least over here) had to use 5 bit ITA2 machines for RTTY. It may even be to this day that RTTY implies that, and that ASCII is classed as 'data'. But the 5 level machines that were used over here tend to be Creeds (Creed 7s, 75s and 444s mostly). The RSGB (Radio Society of Great Britain, a bit like the ARRL) 'Teleprinter Handbook' (on RTTY operation) does have some details of things like the Teletype 28, so I guess some made it over here, but I've yet to see one. I think shipping one is out of the question. Anyway, mine have 240V 50Hz motors. -tony

I first saw a model 35 as a computer terminal in Holland, not sure what computer (it showed up in an Open House demonstration). But yes, model 33 was far more common. Presumably because of being far cheaper, and "good enough". They were rated for intermittent duty, and sure enough, when used intensely in college timesharing setups they tended to fall apart. The LA36 was an excellent machine. Unlike the LA30, with its atrocious keyboard and a print mechanism that jammed about every 20th carriage return. I remember my father used them in his lab, to capture experimental data for subsequent processing. Nice machines. The most amazing catch would be a Soroban punch, those apparently could go at 200 or 400 bytes per second (vs. BRPE at around 120 or so). paul