Personally it bugs me more when nobody takes these machines than it does when I'm not the one who takes them. :) In other words, go ahead and use the approval process, and if that gives you an occasional edge over everyone for picking up this or that, then so be it. Honestly people see these things that we all collect as garbage anyway, so anyone who waits long enough and looks hard enough will probably find exactly what they're looking for -- and with little or no money required, usually. Well, that's my opinion. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '