17 Oct
2009
17 Oct
'09
10:48 a.m.
I had a bid on a laser 128 computer, working complete with power supply. It
had been listed in the past for too high a price. This time, the pirce was
reasonable though so I bid. There was a second one with a matching external
floppy also. I was hoping to make an offer on all of it at the end of the
auction. Yesterday, the items disappeared. I guess the seller pulled the
items. I wish there were a more sane place to trade this stuff. I guess I
have just have to wait for somoene to give up another storage facility.
lol thanks for putting up with my venting.
17 Oct
17 Oct
11:38 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Brian Lanning
Sent: 17 October 2009 18:48
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: annoying ebay behavior
I had a bid on a laser 128 computer, working complete with power
supply. It
had been listed in the past for too high a price. This time, the pirce
was
reasonable though so I bid. There was a second one with a matching
external
floppy also. I was hoping to make an offer on all of it at the end of
the
auction. Yesterday, the items disappeared. I guess the seller pulled
the
items. I wish there were a more sane place to trade this stuff. I
guess I
have just have to wait for somoene to give up another storage facility.
lol thanks for putting up with my venting.
I have seen this technique used by people trying to avoid the higher fees
associated with a higher starting price and/or a reserve. If they think the
bidding won't meet the reserve they have set themselves (and not told eBay
about) then they pull the item before the end. When someone did this to me I
let it go the first time as there might have been a genuine reason, but when
the same person did the same thing after relisting I sent a complaint to
eBay, after this was repeated a couple of times eBay contacted the seller (I
know because he complained about it in the actual listing when he relisted
again).
Regards
Rob
12:37 p.m.
Ebay has been getting more and more annoying and less and less useful as
it "matures" and "grows" Sometimes it seems more worthwhile to do old
newsgroup manually run auctions.
Curt
Brian Lanning wrote:
I had a bid on a laser 128 computer, working complete
with power supply. It
had been listed in the past for too high a price. This time, the pirce was
reasonable though so I bid. There was a second one with a matching external
floppy also. I was hoping to make an offer on all of it at the end of the
auction. Yesterday, the items disappeared. I guess the seller pulled the
items. I wish there were a more sane place to trade this stuff. I guess I
have just have to wait for somoene to give up another storage facility.
lol thanks for putting up with my venting.
12:46 p.m.
I know we've talked in the past about a centralized place to trade
computers, but it never seems to happen. I guess it's like herding cats.
:-) It would be nice for everyone on the group to list what they have to
trade or sale for all to peruse. Maybe this doesn't work as well in
practice as I'd like to believe.
brian
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Curt @ Atari Museum
<curt at atarimuseum.com>wrote:
Ebay has been getting more and more annoying and less
and less useful as it
"matures" and "grows" Sometimes it seems more worthwhile to do old
newsgroup
manually run auctions.
Curt
Brian Lanning wrote:
I had a bid on a laser 128 computer, working
complete with power supply.
It
had been listed in the past for too high a price. This time, the pirce
was
reasonable though so I bid. There was a second one with a matching
external
floppy also. I was hoping to make an offer on all of it at the end of the
auction. Yesterday, the items disappeared. I guess the seller pulled the
items. I wish there were a more sane place to trade this stuff. I guess
I
have just have to wait for somoene to give up another storage facility.
lol thanks for putting up with my venting.
1:05 p.m.
Brian Lanning wrote:
I know we've talked in the past about a
centralized place to trade
computers, but it never seems to happen. I guess it's like herding cats.
:-) It would be nice for everyone on the group to list what they have to
trade or sale for all to peruse. Maybe this doesn't work as well in
practice as I'd like to believe.
brian
How many cats are in herd?
I suspect the real issue is very few classic computers are sold
unless it is "Need to clear house/must be gone by 6 pm tonight"
sale. I wish people knowing they must clear stock give at least
a month notice.
Ben.
1:14 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben" <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: annoying ebay behavior
Brian Lanning wrote:
How many cats are in herd?
I suspect the real issue is very few classic computers are sold
unless it is "Need to clear house/must be gone by 6 pm tonight"
sale. I wish people knowing they must clear stock give at least
a month notice.
Ben.
If they had a month they would just ebay the stuff anyway.
1:39 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben" <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: annoying ebay behavior
Teo Zenios wrote:
I suspect not, most of the sales I have seen are 'pick up only'.
Ebay means you have to ship the product.
There are a decent amount of pick up only auctions on ebay, I have even won
one a year or so ago. Things might have changed since ebay wants everything
to be paypal only and sellers would have a problem proving something was
picked up compared to shipped with a tracking number.
sale. I
wish people knowing they must clear stock give at least
a month notice.
Ben.
If they had a month they would just ebay the stuff anyway.
4:31 p.m.
New subject: Amiga 1000 Hard Drives...
Yeah yeah, I know.... What does an Atari guy need with an Amiga HD.
I have a ton of Lynx developer disks, all in Amiga format that I need to
read and I have an Amiga 1000, so to make things easier I'd like to add
a Hard Drive onto it for doing the OS load up, using the Cloanto tools
and transfer those disks over to my PC.
Now for a guy who 20 years ago used to get involved in the numerous
Atari vs. Amiga battles, I find it interesting that there are more hard
disk interfaces for the ST's then you can count, yet for the life of me,
I can't seem to clearly find any Amiga 1000 hard drive interfaces with
the exception of the Pheonix motherboard replacement. Anyone on the
list who's an Amiga fan know exactly where I can find a hard disk
solution for the Amiga (commercial or homebrew) that is still actively
and easily available.
Curt
5:03 p.m.
New subject: Amiga 1000 Hard Drives...
Good luck! You might be better off borrowing, or sending the disks to someone with an
Amiga 2000 (or greater) - they almost always have hard drives. With CrossDOS, they can
copy the data to IBM floppy disks. Please define "a ton"...
--- On Sat, 10/17/09, Curt @ Atari Museum <curt at atarimuseum.com> wrote:
From: Curt @ Atari Museum <curt at
atarimuseum.com>
Subject: Amiga 1000 Hard Drives...
To: "On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 4:31 PM
Yeah yeah, I know....? What does
an Atari guy need with an Amiga HD.? ? I have a
ton of Lynx developer disks, all in Amiga format that I need
to read and I have an Amiga 1000, so to make things easier
I'd like to add a Hard Drive onto it for doing the OS load
up, using the Cloanto tools and transfer those disks over to
my PC.
Now for a guy who 20 years ago used to get involved in the
numerous Atari vs. Amiga battles, I find it interesting that
there are more hard disk interfaces for the ST's then you
can count, yet for the life of me, I can't seem to clearly
find any Amiga 1000 hard drive interfaces with the exception
of the Pheonix motherboard
replacement.???Anyone on the list who's an
Amiga fan know exactly where I can find a hard disk solution
for the Amiga (commercial or homebrew) that is still
actively and easily available.
Curt
5:28 p.m.
New subject: Amiga 1000 Hard Drives...
Yeah, sounding more and more like I should just pick up an A2000 with a
HD controller installed...
Thanks.
Curt
steven stengel wrote:
Good luck! You might be better off borrowing, or
sending the disks to someone with an Amiga 2000 (or greater) - they almost always have
hard drives. With CrossDOS, they can copy the data to IBM floppy disks. Please define
"a ton"...
--- On Sat, 10/17/09, Curt @ Atari Museum <curt at atarimuseum.com> wrote:
From: Curt @ Atari Museum <curt at
atarimuseum.com>
Subject: Amiga 1000 Hard Drives...
To: "On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 4:31 PM
Yeah yeah, I know.... What does
an Atari guy need with an Amiga HD. I have a
ton of Lynx developer disks, all in Amiga format that I need
to read and I have an Amiga 1000, so to make things easier
I'd like to add a Hard Drive onto it for doing the OS load
up, using the Cloanto tools and transfer those disks over to
my PC.
Now for a guy who 20 years ago used to get involved in the
numerous Atari vs. Amiga battles, I find it interesting that
there are more hard disk interfaces for the ST's then you
can count, yet for the life of me, I can't seem to clearly
find any Amiga 1000 hard drive interfaces with the exception
of the Pheonix motherboard
replacement. Anyone on the list who's an
Amiga fan know exactly where I can find a hard disk solution
for the Amiga (commercial or homebrew) that is still
actively and easily available.
Curt
5:19 p.m.
New subject: Amiga 1000 Hard Drives...
Heh, coincidentally, I'm about to bring my Amiga 1060 Sidecar over to
Dave Dunfield; back in the day, I used that as a HD interface; any
hard disk that the PC can see can also be used by the Amiga. For a
plain A1000 I think that is the "simplest" method. My A1060 is
unfortunately not doing too well after all these years. And I still
have to get the data off the MFM drive and its Xebec controller.
There is also a simple schematic for a nonbooting A500-to-IDE
interface around (basically a bunch of buffers on the address and data
bus) that could be adapted easily for the 1000, Google A500ide.
Or find a friendly neighborhood owner of an Amiga 2000+SCSI card,
A3000, or better with a ZIP drive; that has become my favourite way of
transferring data :-)
Joe.
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 19:31, Curt @ Atari Museum <curt at atarimuseum.com> wrote:
Yeah yeah, I know.... ?What does an Atari guy need
with an Amiga HD. ? ?I
have a ton of Lynx developer disks, all in Amiga format that I need to read
and I have an Amiga 1000, so to make things easier I'd like to add a Hard
Drive onto it for doing the OS load up, using the Cloanto tools and transfer
those disks over to my PC.
Now for a guy who 20 years ago used to get involved in the numerous Atari
vs. Amiga battles, I find it interesting that there are more hard disk
interfaces for the ST's then you can count, yet for the life of me, I can't
seem to clearly find any Amiga 1000 hard drive interfaces with the exception
of the Pheonix motherboard replacement. ? Anyone on the list who's an Amiga
fan know exactly where I can find a hard disk solution for the Amiga
(commercial or homebrew) that is still actively and easily available.
Curt
--
Joachim Thiemann :: http://www.tsp.ece.mcgill.ca/~jthiem
5:57 p.m.
New subject: Amiga 1000 Hard Drives...
well, for me I have Amiga 600's. I just got an 2.5" (or is that 3.5"?)
laptop harddrive and plugged it in with the appropriate cable. I got mine from Amiga Deals
(.co.uk) and they had already done the necessary formatting. They gave me the necessary
cable to plug it in, along with a simple to follow instructions. I believe they had OS2
already installed on it too... can't be 100% sure as that was over 7 years ago now.
I'm not particularly clued up on other Amiga models, so I suggest having a look around
on the following sites:
www.amigadeals.co.uk
www.amigakit.com
www.amiga.org (may find articles relating to your problem)
I'm sure there are others, but those are the ones that come to my mind right now.
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
--- On Sun, 18/10/09, Curt @ Atari Museum <curt at atarimuseum.com> wrote:
From: Curt @ Atari Museum <curt at atarimuseum.com>
Subject: Amiga 1000 Hard Drives...
To: "On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Date: Sunday, 18 October, 2009, 12:31 AM
Yeah yeah, I know....? What does an Atari guy need with an Amiga HD.? ? I have a ton of
Lynx developer disks, all in Amiga format that I need to read and I have an Amiga 1000, so
to make things easier I'd like to add a Hard Drive onto it for doing the OS load up,
using the Cloanto tools and transfer those disks over to my PC.
Now for a guy who 20 years ago used to get involved in the numerous Atari vs. Amiga
battles, I find it interesting that there are more hard disk interfaces for the ST's
then you can count, yet for the life of me, I can't seem to clearly find any Amiga
1000 hard drive interfaces with the exception of the Pheonix motherboard
replacement.???Anyone on the list who's an Amiga fan know exactly where I can find a
hard disk solution for the Amiga (commercial or homebrew) that is still actively and
easily available.
Curt
18 Oct
18 Oct
4:37 p.m.
New subject: Amiga 1000 Hard Drives...
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009, Curt @ Atari Museum wrote:
Yeah yeah, I know.... What does an Atari guy need
with an Amiga HD. I
have a ton of Lynx developer disks, all in Amiga format that I need to read
and I have an Amiga 1000, so to make things easier I'd like to add a Hard
Drive onto it for doing the OS load up, using the Cloanto tools and transfer
those disks over to my PC.
In a pinch, you can read them into image files with a catweasel
controller.
Or, contact me privately and I'd be glad to image them for you. I
actually have an Amiga 1000 sidecar hard-drive. Odd gadget.
Steve
--
10:12 p.m.
New subject: Amiga 1000 Hard Drives...
On 10/17/09, Curt @ Atari Museum <curt at atarimuseum.com> wrote:
Yeah yeah, I know.... What does an Atari guy need
with an Amiga HD.
I have a ton of Lynx developer disks...
Neat.
...all in Amiga format that I need to
read and I have an Amiga 1000, so to make things easier I'd like to add
a Hard Drive onto it for doing the OS load up, using the Cloanto tools
and transfer those disks over to my PC.
If only you had a newer model than the A1000...
Now for a guy who 20 years ago used to get involved in
the numerous
Atari vs. Amiga battles, I find it interesting that there are more hard
disk interfaces for the ST's then you can count, yet for the life of me,
I can't seem to clearly find any Amiga 1000 hard drive interfaces with
the exception of the Pheonix motherboard replacement. Anyone on the
list who's an Amiga fan know exactly where I can find a hard disk
solution for the Amiga (commercial or homebrew) that is still actively
and easily available.
That last part is the kicker - actively and easily available. Back in
the day, there were many A1000 SCSI and "other" interfaces (I have
several on the shelf here). While the A1000 was the ascendant model
for years, it didn't take too many hardware advances in the other
models to really leave the A1000 behind. I held off as long as
possible with a Rejuvinator, so that when I finally retired my A1000
(purchased in 1986) from daily use, it had three add-in patches of
memory (total of 1MB of CHIP, and 3.5MB of FAST), a clock-calendar,
and a SCSI interface.
I think once the A3000 came out, most original A1000 owners had
multiple Amigas. The A1000 plummeted in resale value, so it was
easier to stow it in a closet or give it away - especially if the
keyboard was damaged. Also, lots of A1000s were "traded in" for C=
deals on newer machines. There were different terms for different
deals, but relinquishing the cover of the original owners manual or
handing in the keyboard were two of the techniques to prevent
double-dipping.
Since your stated goal is reading in 880K Amiga floppies, it's
probably easier to find a newer Amiga than to find an A1000 hard disk.
Some A500 disks will work, though you have to install them facing to
the rear. The A590 happens to have room for up to 2MB of RAM as well
(using common 256Kx4 DIP chips), and it rarely hurts to have some
extra memory. I don't recall if the A590 will physically fit because
of case issues, but the interface is pin-for-pin compatible if you can
get around any physical interference problems.
If you can find an A590, you might as well get an A500 to go with it,
unless you happen to have any interesting A1000 peripherals you want
to keep.
Oh... and in case you have older Kickstart disks for your A1000,
version 1.3 is the oldest AmigaOS that can autoboot hard disks. Not
sure if you know that already, but it doesn't hurt to mention it just
in case.
If, as you said later, you can score an A2000, the problem gets
simpler. GVP and Amiga A2091s are somewhat common in used A2000s. I
still have GG2 Bus+ cards if you wanted to put a network interface
into an A2000, but there are cheaper ways of getting bulk data off of
your Amiga to another machine (Kermit, for example, or UUCP - I've
used both quite often in the past).
-ethan
10:18 p.m.
New subject: Amiga 1000 Hard Drives...
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
I think once the A3000 came out, most original A1000 owners had
multiple Amigas. ?The A1000 plummeted in resale value, so it was
easier to stow it in a closet or give it away - especially if the
keyboard was damaged.
-ethan
On that descriptive note, anyone have an A1000 in good cosmetic shape
sitting in their closet that they'd be willing to part with? Already
have a 500, 600, 2000, and 4000, I'm looking for a working 1000 for
display purposes.
Marty
27 Oct
27 Oct
12:08 p.m.
--- On Sat, 10/17/09, Teo Zenios <teoz at neo.rr.com> wrote:
From: Teo Zenios <teoz at neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: annoying ebay behavior
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 1:39 PM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben" <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: annoying ebay behavior
Pickup-only auctions are the exception that don't mandate paypal.
Shipping with a tracking number and the signature of the buyer WILL NOT protect you in any
way from Paypal's tactics.
Ebay's new terms, the paypal requirement, along with phenomenal increases in shipping
costs, have taken away the marginal profits one used to make cleaning the closet.
One would hope that Google or Bing would step up, but largess isn't any guarantee for
success.
Teo Zenios wrote:
>> sale. I wish people knowing they must clear
stock give at least
>> a month notice.
>> Ben.
>
> If they had a month they would just ebay the stuff
anyway.
I suspect not,? most of the sales I have seen are
'pick up only'.
Ebay means you have to ship the product.
There are a decent amount of pick up only auctions on ebay,
I have even won
one a year or so ago. Things might have changed since ebay
wants everything
to be paypal only and sellers would have a problem proving
something was
picked up compared to shipped with a tracking number.
5:12 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Mo <molists at yahoo.com> wrote:
Pickup-only auctions are the exception that don't
mandate paypal.
Shipping with a tracking number and the signature of the buyer WILL NOT
protect you in any way from Paypal's tactics.
Ebay's new terms, the paypal requirement, along with phenomenal increases
in shipping costs, have taken away the marginal profits one used to make
cleaning the closet.
One would hope that Google or Bing would step up, but largess isn't any
guarantee for success.
I just bought two computers on ebay. They were set as shipping only because
the buyer didn't put in pickup as an option (it was forcing me to pay for
shipping on checkout). I picked them up and paid cash. When i went back
into ebay, it let me simply mark the items as paid. Everything worked fine.
brian
17 Oct
17 Oct
1:35 p.m.
Brian Lanning wrote:
I know we've talked in the past about a
centralized place to trade
computers, but it never seems to happen. I guess it's like herding cats.
Well, there's always the Vintage Computer and Gaming Marketplace
(http://marketplace.vintage-computer.com/) which has grown steadily over
the past several years.
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