I don't know if anyone else has experienced the same problem but I had a difficult time getting rid of the Sorcerer emulator (virus). I believe this was the Java emulator. I went to the website over a week ago and checked it out and then never went back again. However, today it popped up on it's own somehow (from one of my browser windows I think). I couldn't get rid of it. It seemed every window I clicked on, the emulator would try to establish a presence in that window. This included other programs, the toolbar, etc. I couldn't kill it from the program manager (CTRL-ALT-DEL) and closing all the browser windows didn't do any good either. I could still move my mouse but at that point nothing was responding. I did another CTRL-ALT-DEL and the window came up but I couldn't click any buttons. Finally I hit CAD a bunch of times in frustration and rebooted my machine. Someone ought to let the guy who wrote it know that he has a serious bug somewhere. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!